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pasting the latest bonthly bobile bachine from last thread>Rochester's Gelgoog>S-Type RF Gelgoog custom-made for Charles Rochester. It features equipment similar to Crossbone Vangaurd machines like beam shield and beam flag, specced for high mobility and command functions. Control system incorporates Psychoframe.>RF High Speed Mobility Zaku>Newtype space-use MS independently developed by Mars Zeon. While modeled after MSN-01 it's a high-spec 4th generation suit with the most advanced technology of the era.>History of Bit weapons>Originally developed by Flanagan Institute, Bit weapons are a system of drones and missiles remotely controlled even under Minovsky particle interference>While nowadays they're firmly established as a weapon to reliably confirm kills by its mothership - the Newtype-use mobile weapon - and launching delayed attacks from blind spots their development involved much trial and error>Braw-Bro's and Zeong's were merely wire-controlled mega particle cannons for all-range attacks>Elmeth's Bits were intended for extreme long-range attacks via Minovsky Communication through the Psycommu system. In other words, a similar doctrine as Old Century's ICBM weapons.>They were to be equipped with nuclear warheads and beam cannons capable of destroying enemy fleets and fortresses even under Minovsky dispersion>However even an exceptional Newtype like Lalah struggled with executing long-range attacks and before long Bits were restricted to line of sight combat>Although Bits saw little use during the OYW they achieved significant results and came to be recognized as Zeon's most powerful weapons similar to Big Zam>As such, they spawned many derivatives such as:>Qubeley specialized in all-range attacks with miniaturized bits>Doven Wolf with two-dimensional pseudo all-range attack terminals using psycommu compatible with Oldtypes>Alpha Azieru with high firepower using large scale bits
>>23955717>Furthermore, research into different Psycommu-guided weapons continued after the Elmeth such as the MAN-06 Freischütz developed at A Baoa Qu and equipped with Psycommu missiles or the Kshatriya Repaired which are examples of solid munition-type funnels.>This process culminated in the Funnel Missiles of Xi Gundam and Draig>Bit weapons were also used in second phase suits such as F90 N-Type and Berga Dalus Type B>Jupiter Empire also developed NT-use Mobile Armors like the Elefante>Although all-range attacks are not the be-all-end-all weapons as originally envisioned they are still considered useful to this day as evidenced by BESPA researching them>Leon's RF Gelgoog>Among the Oldsmobile "Newtype Champions" Leon Patel is second only to Charles Rochester>His RF Gelgoog utilized the same basis as Rochester's custom machine which differed from the basic RF Gelgoog spec and was referred to as "Neue Gelgoog" or RF Gelgoog S-Type>S-type features a generator with output ranging from 3230kW to 3870kW>Although classified as a 2nd generation suit it's an ultra high performance machine capable of deploying a beam shield>Its maneuverability is somewhat lacking compared to second phase machines, but the high output thrusters and large fuel capacity enable hit and run tactics that let it hold its own against not only F80 series but even the F90>Furthermore, a micro-honeycomb structure is used in parts of its armor and the thruster and electronic components have been miniaturized, enabling reaction speed on a completely different level from conventional 2nd generation machines.>It's believed this is the result of combining Oldsmobile's existing technology with that seized from F90 and provided by Buch
>>23955717>>23955720>It appears that the S-Types shared the same frame and outer armor while being customized for their assigned pilots>This is a combination of F90's mission pack concept and Zeon's custom MS doctrine>Developed with absolute focus on high combat performance, the arms have been replaced with remotely guided Arm Bits similar to those of Verethragna>These could take advantage of Leon Patel's Newtype abilities as regular bits but also deploy beam sabers and an I-Field barrier akin to Nu Gundam's>This makes them a composite weapon with offensive and defensive capabilities>The backpack option rack is equipped with a pair of funnels, though it can be switched for grenades or micro missiles depending on mission requirements>Furthermore, these funnels function as simplified VSBRs>Unlike those on F91 these are imperfect models that require manual speed control, more similar to Hardygun's beam cannon>But they still provide 4th generation-level firepower and just like the Arm Bits they can deploy a beam barrier, though both need to be deployed for that>Although these simple VSBRs can be used as Bits, SNRI's capacitor technology could not be fully analyzed and thus the Bits cannot maintain VSBR functions when detached and need to return for recharging after firing several shots>These are controlled by Psychoframe embedded in the torso>It's said there were plans for a mass produced model with civilian-grade Psycommu but it's unclear whether these were deployed during the 2nd Oldsmobile War>As secondary weapons it's equipped with beam vulcans in the head and mega machine cannons on the chest as standard S-Type equipment
>>23955717>>23955723>It is believed that the design of this unit draws heavily on data from the OMS-01RF (RF High-Mobility Type Zaku), developed by the Independent Zeon Forces on Mars. According to one theory, the frame layout incorporates one of the design proposals for the MSN-01 that was rejected during the Bishop Project; however, given that the true nature of the Bishop Project itself remains unclear, this can be regarded as nothing more than a rumour.>The unit first appears in Federation records during the Battle of Konpeito on May 18th>Engagement data related to this unit is also recorded in accounts of the Haoma Colony Incident on August 7th and the majority of Leon Patel's kills were achieved using this unit>However, it's also possible the unit was rolled out before May and there's still no consensus on the deployment date of the RF Gelgoog Type-S>In any case, it's indisputable Patel's blue Gelgoog achieved outstanding results during the 2nd Oldsmobile War.>Furthermore, it played a decisive role towards the end of the campaign
Good to see the Anchor is alive and well
>>23955795My autism is a little bit triggered with Phantom and Anchor families mixed up at the bottom.Also it misses Black Phantom from Love & Piece, even if that's mostly cosmetic.
>>23955795Isn't Baroque part of Phantom family?
>>23955819It's an antagonist MS, along with the Amakusa which was based off of the Crossbone X-2.
>>23955820I thought Amakusa mostly just did its own thing, while Baroque was based on Phantom closer.That said, Amakusa and Cornix should probably be put somewhere too.
>>23955820Also, here's the missing sixth X-13.
>>23955840There are no missing X-13 though.It's either a new one built from the spare parts or a rebuilt version of one of the three from Dust and Love & Piece.
Cypher was a great villain, I love unhinged mindbroken psychos
>>23955840There is a bit on the Hasegawa's blog about it.Apparently it's Seerauber Unit 4 Green Calmhttps://www.studio-himitsukichi.com/20260726/1983/
MAGNASUPERDESTROIDis there a more badass name out there?
>>23957935Magna is a part of G-Cannon MagnaDestroid just means the parts it got from D-typeThrowing in Super there is a great touch though.I think it's amazing how it combines long range capabilities of L-type, mid range capabilities of S-type and close range capabilities of D-type, alongside having extra rockets and improved mobility.
So what do we think the Z-Type will be? After X-Type completely subverted expectations while simultaneously fulfilling them I really don't know what to expect, especially since the info on Z-Type is even more vague.Some fanart that ironically wound up a bit like the N-Type Verethragna.
>>23958086The name Zero Type would indicate some form of NT-D evolution but I fail to see how they could integrate that into a new pack without designing a whole new body like was done with the F90IIIY
>>23958172>name Zero Type would indicate some form of NT-DIt would not? Like, at all.
>>23958086It being also the first unit of the new line implies that it would be a base version of the next generation mobile suit.In other words F90Z might be a TR-S/TR-6 to F90's TR-1.
>>23958172If it was NT-D evolution, wouldn't it be just a spin-off of the N-type pack rather than a part of another one?
>>23958221I think it would be an evolution in the sense that it would have a full Destroy Mode, and it also being the first of the next generation would also mean it could be used as a bridge to the Crossbone line
>>23958231Youngstar-type is already that bridge and we know that Crossbone frame suits like F97, F97-E and F99 are still a part of F9 series and not F0.If there's something that Z should tie-in to it is Victory and/or BESPA stuff.
>>23958221Don't you get it, Z is actually N sideways (sarcasm)
>>23958259Victory is already preceded by the Cluster Kai
>>23958463yeah and Cluster Kai has been completely untouched in modern F90 content so far, I wonder when that will change. We don't even know how the full design looks strictly speaking, only the core fighter.
>>23955674honestly Second Victory is so cool. I was very happy when I learned it was a thing, because I can't decide if I like V1 or V2 better. There is also the black V2 which never really gets mentioned anywhere
>>23958259Trust the plan.
>>23958487Black V2?
>>23958502from the Victory Side Storythey fight a Zeong remix or whatever
>>23958514Did we get any color pictures of it? Just wondering if the lighter areas are white or yellow. Might be fun to make to put next to my Second/Rear Shrike Team Victory I painted earlier this year.
>>23958516nta but yellowsuspiciously similar to Harrison's F91 honestly
>>23958516>>23958519huh, guess it's blue. i have only ever seen the b/w version on mahq
>>23958523Hasegawa's artstyle tends to embellish colors and boldly use outright pitch black for things like dark blue or even just for high contrast. I like it, it's very distinctive and you still have things like the cover art to know the "real" colors
>>23958514>>23958519>v2 but good
>>23958532foolV2 is always good
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>>23958463Cluster Kai itself could be a prototype for F90Z
>>23958519>>23958523I *really* want to paint this now. Got to grab another MG V2 I guess.
>>23958564you can even make it pose like that with a V-Dash if you have one
>>23958529It's called laziness.
>>23958563When you think about it, it does make sense. Both SNRI and Anaheim thought about Core Block as the next step at the time. There's no way F90Z wouldn't feature it as well.There's also a precedent with X-type being designed to be fully used in conjunction with Y as well, so if Z is the next step, I'd imagine it would build on the two.And thinking about it: Z, Zero, 0, Rei, Ray - F90Z might really be the final phase of Job's project of creating an ultimate version of RX-78-2.
>>23958563Cluster Kai could BE F90Z, even. It's almost certainly related to Cluster either way, we know Y X Z packs are connected.
>>23959210Yeah, the reason why I called it a prototype is because the only picture of Cluster Kai we got is a prototype of it in the first place. I can the the final version being called Z and not Y anymore.
Quite a neat showcase of what can be done with mission packshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cXFB56mX5o
>>23959228mission packs are just so goddamn cool manI wish more had bootlegs, only like 2 do
when is zakurao news dropping
>>23959799After Oldsmobile arc will end.
>>23959859The Oldsmobile war is still going on in F90:C? I was hoping we’d be getting a bit more of the Cosmo Babylon War at this point.
>>23960039the manga is all about Oldsmobile, at this rate if they want to focus on the Cosmo Babylonia War either the manga is gonna double in length or it's gonna need another sequel
>>23960039Yeah, we are still not even at Silhouette Formula timeframe yet. The manga was going for what, just two years?>>23960119Isn't it near the end of the the Second Oldsmobile war? And going by FF chapter count we are at the midpoint.
>>23960229yeah lol they started right at the end of F90 and went from there till the start of 2nd Oldsmobile War, did a timeskip to the end of it and now we're waiting to see where they go from there.I guess it's all ABOUT the war in a way but the war itself is firmly just Bergh's show and that was mostly in F90FF.
>>23960236Started at the end of F90 -> timeskipped a few months to meeting Lyle -> timeskipped a few more months to the beginning of the 2nd Oldsmobile War (with Ivalu getting imprisoned) -> timeskipped almost a year to near the end of the 2nd Oldsmobile War.Well, you can say that having a lot of timeskips is on brand for Fastest Formula sequel.
>>23960119The car company?
>>23961013The Zeon splinter faction that got throwback looking Mobile Suits.But yeah, named after the car company.
>>23961430Godforbid they run into Dodge!
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>>23961894cease and desist breathing/10
Did anyone in the late UC ever figure out how to defeat or hinder Newtypes without pitting them against another Newtype? I’m talking things like disabling the ability to control remote weapons or triggering false Newtype reactions that induce their reflexes and cause a pilot to dodge when they shouldn’t, etc.
>>23965725There's just not that much need for dedicated anti-Newtype technology, bits are ultimately a secondary asset and not effective as the only or primary offensive tool. Psycommu and quasi psycommu have advanced to a level where Oldtypes can use them effectively and they still aren't all that common.The thing that really sets Newtypes apart is higher sensitivity and reactions allowing them to achieve much greater results with the same tools, but you can't really have a counter for people that are simply more skilled pilots.
Are these designs fanart or do they show up in one of the various Crossbones? Also, what's the currently running Crossbone manga?
>>23965822their english names are right there, you could have googled them and found the wiki pages anonThat aside this specific art is unofficial work by Hasegawa's assistant, so strictly speaking it's as official as any other fanart but they're still interesting takes on the designs in vastly different style.Seerauber is the currently ongoing manga.
>>23965725Technology-wise not really. Unicorn and Narrative had some vague psycho-jammer tech but never really explained how it worked, not that it did very much onscreen. It forms a pretty geometric cage and stops the psycommu from working properly. At best it forced the Unicorn to temporarily turn off NT-D and also kinda tethered the Unicorn in place, preventing it from leaving.
>>23965836>but never really explained how it workedyou mean besides like five different data books describing it?It simply deploys a field that can shut down psychowaves but the jamming shuts down if the waves are too strong for its rating which Unicorn was.
>>23965838>it's just anti-psycowaves, duh, and it stopped working because it was overpowered by more psycowavesI'd have preferred it to be more of a thing where maybe it locks on to the same sort of frequency\wavelength\whatever that the enemy psycommu is using and disrupts remote weapons by broadcasting garbage psycowaves that interfere with signal transmission between the remote weapon and the user, or maybe it generates pulses of very strong psycowaves like a flashbang that newtypes and newtype equipment will get interrupted by because they can't just turn off their senses and ignore it. Like, these are specific mechanisms and it's messing with those systems. In some other stories there are examples of newtype equipment not working because funnels and bits wouldn't sync and become controllable by the pilot because of compatibility issues, or the psycommu system in a MS wouldn't engage and link with the pilot, so I'd like the idea of an anti-newtype system to target these potential points of failures.then again newtype stuff is essentially magic so yeah, I suppose wanting something to stop it just means you end up with anti-magic
>>23965850so reading just ain't your strong suit, fair enough
>>23965856Same to you, same to you.
>>23967654Neat. Apparently Overhang Pack alone had about as many parts as the Gun-EZ.Also it seems like it's based on a picture from Comic BonBon, so it isn't entirely unofficial. I doubt that Overhang Pack would've been used in-universe much over Gunblaster's binders for general purpose stuff, but it would've been useful for midrange fire support (Guncannon bros we are still relevant).https://gumpla.jp/mg/799799
>>23967732Dang I had no idea, that's so cool. Between this and stuff like using F90 gear in the kit manual Gun-EZ/Gunblaster series has that vibe where you could convincingly equip it with any gear from the last 30 years and it'd look good and feel appropriate. Really underused and underrated avenue.
Has Seerauber revealed what the exodia MS looks like? I only read the first chapter or so but the whole "building a mystery MS limb by limb" felt interesting
>>23968818Only an outline, plus confirming it is indeed gold.Notably no head or upper torso block.
>>23968826Those shoulder pads are giving me Magnamon. Interestingly it's got actual muscle shapes with molded biceps etc (they still kept the exposed tubing on the forearm though). Do they mention if it has any special capabilities or gimmicks? That attachment on the wrist can't be purely cosmetic. Do they graft it onto a MS?
>>23968704>and it'd look good and feel appropriateI wouldn't be surprised if Okawara had it in mind, being the designer for both and working on Silhouette Formula, part 2 of which was intended to bridge into Victory.
>>23968872>>23968826It looks like it's meant to be fully modular, like each part could independently act as a funnel, it's still missing the core fighter though. The things on the wrists are V-fins, it's the same design language idea as the Baroque having faces sculpted into its limbs and torso This may be where Turn X got its separation gimmick from
>>23955794oh my god please tell me those can lift up and rotate like helicopter blades
>>23969470I'm hoping the eventual true successor has 8 thrusters on the back which would form a pirate ship's wheel when fully extended
I've been skimming June (?) chapter raws and it's neat how Liv apparently pilots Draig now.
>>23969671Neat, I think I've seen a screenshot of that before but it's good to see some confirmation. Very cool parallel to Cypher too.On that note remined we still have several Draigs unaccounted for:>At least units whose location is kept confidential, some were delivered to Von Braun and some to Earth>units 7 and 8 that were stolen while in transport to Luna II, officially reported as destroyed in an accident. The same incident also resulted in the death of Vice President Lau who opposed the Silhouette Formula Porject>One of these is the machine used by Cypher but the other's whereabouts are unknown>both of them are also confirmed to be equipped with Psychoframe which is not standard for the modelAnd this is besides the first two units, one of which was lost in a test accident and the other (that competed with F90) is on standby and used in Hardygun development.And THIS is besides the Draig Active seen here which is a complete mystery with its all-white coloring and a head with eyes and v-fin resembling Xi Gundam.
>>23969681Rather than just the parallel to Cypher, it is likely the same Draig that his mom lent to Veronica.
>>23969683I mean yeah duh, it's clearly the Active. But the parallel is still undeniable, just look at the guy
Also, I don't remember if this was discussed yet, but apparently at this point Cluster still doesn't use bio-computer.
>>23969740I think they're trying to set up that Seabook with F91 was the first case of fully-functional biocomputer operation. When Bergh grabbed the F91 it had the F90's system transplanted instead and when in an earlier chapter Def was testing the Cluster it was the same case.
>>23969740Disregard that, I'm blind apparently and maybe retarded, that's obviously F91I thought it was supposed to use Unit 1 computer though...
What's the timeline for the Formula Project ? What was the first of the line chronologically? It wasn't the F91 was it?
>>23971401here's a simple version
>>23971401F70 > F90 > F91 F90II and F90III are surprisingly concurrent with the F91
>>23971401>>23971406this fucking site man I swear to god>>23971470F70 was developed from F90
>>23971401The first proto-SNRI miniature mobile suit is Loto and the first Gundam-class mobile suit they made is F89.F90 is the first mobile suit that combined the size and power SNRI was going for and everything else in Formula Project goes back to it.
No better place to ask.Why doesn't the Xi have yellow Minovsky Craft bits like the Penelope? All that stuff is housed internally inside it?
>>23972192It's more refined, you can still see them glow as it moves but it doesn't light up like a Christmas tree. On later mobile suits you can't even discern it's there, the function has been completely seamlessly integrated.
only the real ones will get this
>>23972499Do you mind pointing out the bits that glow?
>>23972686The first movie features them pretty prominently, you can see the white glow in the inner legs, the shoulders and the wings that's very distinct from the orange lights of the ordinary thrusters or the pulsing yellow of Penelope's Minovsky Flight.These are just quick screenscaps of half-decent shots, it's even more noticeable in the film itself. For that matter the clips of movie 2 also highlight it pretty well. Especially the new trailer for Netflixhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjGtDQvXu40
>>23972701Y'see, I'm working on a HG Penelope right now. The Minovsky parts are pretty easy to spot, I'm painting them gold. The Xi is up next, but I'm not sure what should be yellow and what should be gold. How would you do it?
>>23972826Like I said the thrusters in the wings, the inner legs and in the shoulders. Your best bet is checking the Circe trailer and noting their locations. I guess a silvery chrome would work best for them while regular thrusters have orange.
>>23972701>>23972826Xi doesn't have much in the way of glowy bits when the M-Craft is working. Penelope's does, but Xi's doesn't really. Xi glows when the Beam Barrier activates in high speed form though, as it's incinerating air and causes both of them to actually glow all over. The movies do show this and the novels call it out too.Pic kinda unrelated, this is just the Xi's M-Craft active as it lifts up. There just aren't many glowy bits from the operation of the M-Craft on it alone.
>>23973371yeah of course it's not gonna have much glowing stuff if you pick the single worst possible angle for that
>>23973376>single worst possible angle>a night shot showing the underside of the shoulder unitsidk what shot you think would show the M-Craft units glow any betterI could have clipped it taking off in broad daylight in the water but yknow it's not glowing there either and it's broad daylight and you can't really see under the shoulders like you can here
Maybe I should just paint these bits on the shoulders gold and call it a day. They can't be thrusters can they?
>>23965725Proper new types have impressive sixth sense for things, the idea that going into space would trigger an evolution and a need for people to be better than they were/areAmuro just happened to have a sixth sense for combat but the zeons desperately needed combatants and tried funnels as a way to direct the will to destroyIn short not all new types were purely talented at killing (katz and Fa were good at not dying for instance, but Katz's luck ran out)And every attempt to produce new types yielded mentally immature or straight up schizophrenic peopleBasically weaponized/cyber new types were often their own counter
>>23973381In the image I just posted they do have actual lights of some sort on them, in fact the only thing on the shoulders that does in that picture, a line of lights along the length of themThey are probably an element of the M-Craft system, but who knows really? We only know so much about the designs even with the movies and we especially know even less about the specifics of minovsky craft.anyway that said here's my random bullshit spitballing, it would make some sense if they were either elements responsible for controlling minovsky particles/maintaining the I-Field lattice for M-Craft or maybe part of the dispersal of particles. Or maybe it's just a vent for heat from the system. Who knows?This is a bit beside the point but it's another easy example of "what is this on this design?" All the little areas with little pinprick lines are also of dubious function. They're a pretty prominent bit of design language across both units but nothing's been said about what they are. I've always been partial to the idea they're sandbarrels, but I think it's possible they're related to the beam barrier too. To be clear I mean the things you se on the tips of the knees and shoulders here. By the way I think it's a fair metric to judge how cool any given redesign of them are by how much they incorporate this element cus it looks cool as fuck. Big sad our movie Xi ditches them from several prominent areas it once had them. Still covers the shield though.
>>23965725No one mentioned it but since I just mentioned them, sandbarrels. Sandbarrels pop up in HF and Gaia Gear as anti-remote weapons. They're basically just particulate shotguns as far as we can tell. They don't feature much in any detail but Gaia Gear makes more use of them than HF. As I recall the only mention of them in HF is during the last fight between Lane and Hathaway, Lane uses them somewhere in there. Maybe we'll see them next movie.And there's also the Anti-Funnel System of REON, which I think also showed up on the Great Zeong in Moon Crisis, but either way it's a bit of technology only in Masafumi's works and it doesn't really mean much for the broader timeline.
>>23973395The fact that nobody can tell what is what is a hint that the design is a busy mess
>>23973402not a soul in this universe can tell you why the gouf or zaku needs power cables around its head however
>>23973395I think they're supposed to be speed holes. To slightly shave off overall weight and make it lighter. To me anyway.
>>23973404that'd shave off like .000000000000000001% of their total weight, there's almost nothing removed, I dunno how it could add up enough to be that at allDefinitely feel like they're an intentional weapon or system element apart from the reality which was just Moriki smiling to himself, nodding and saying yeah those look rad as fuck.
>>23973403eye can double a massive floodlight and needs direct energy from the generator BAM
>>23973412which of course is why it's paramount that energy be delivered from front to back of the headto be clear I love my goofy power cables and especially my goufy power cables but they're as silly to think about as just about anything else is all
>>23973422>cable goes up from the generator through the back of the head into front that then powers the lights concession status?
>>23973426someone made a wonderful Gouf gunpla where it was partially cross-sectioned and it showed that all its internals were just the whip coiled upI wish I had it on hand to post right nowyou can yearn for it with me brother
>>23973379See pic related for several easy examples.>>23973381For the third time, it's the inner legs, the wings and the shoulders. Including the part you circled which you can clearly see glows white. You have the first movie and clips from the second movie, soon enough the whole movie. It's really not hard to cross reference them with the kit at this point man...>>23973395>Who knows?We know. These are parts of Minovsky Flight units. You can easily infer that from their placements and how the exact same light is used on the shoulder flaps to indicate it. The design informs the viewer if they bother to try and study it.>>23973395>All the little areas with little pinprick lines are also of dubious function.Missile/sandbarrel other munition launchers. The second movie prominently features Xi firing sandbarrels from the ones in the shield actually.>>23973402The audacity IS the point. It's an acquired taste, nobody's denying it, but every part of it has a purpose even if it's deliberately confusing the viewer and going against all artistic conventions. That's how you make a work that stands out. Xi and Penelope are a perfect example of that approach since they were ultimately only slightly changed yet still manage to garner more and more popularity decades later.
>>23973440Not a single one of those pinpricks is a missle launcher. I don't recall Xi firing sandbarrels from the shield in it either but I only saw it the once.
>>23973456>During the battle at Oenbelli, the Xi Gundam intercepted the Kimberley forces' missile attack by firing sand barrels from its shield. While the weapon bay on the underside of the shield's tip normally houses funnel missiles, Maximilian had informed the Xi Gundam before deployment that the remaining funnel missiles were unusable due to low ammunition.https://hjweb.jp/article/2733167/
>>23973440But then what about the yellow bits on the legs of the Odysseus? They look very similar to the Xi's but those can't be Minovsky bits.
>>23973462the way the Xi's feet point straight down in flight looks so bad man
>>23973466They look similar but near as I can tell they don't glow at all, happy to be proven wrong tho. Contrast with the vertical fins jutting out of Penelope's shoulders here, they are not unlike Xi's blue parts on the shoulders and they have the same pulsing light pattern as other Minovsky Flight units on Penny. >>23973480Skill issue honestly. My only complaint is the HG kit fumbles them a bit and the heels don't move the way they're supposed to.
>>23973462That's cool. Like said though, they aren't missile launchers. Never have been, so weird thing for you to say while acting like a know-it-all.I'd call you a fool for trying to make something out of the lights and "easily inferring design elements" but best to just leave it here. I'm going to point out the chest unit fins and the outer leg blocks don't have lights, though, while the typical leg block vents on the inner side of the legs do, and that despite what you suggest this design is not actually a real design with a real working minovsky craft obeying reality but instead a bunch of people making their best effort at making something cool from what they can. We flat out don't know what element does what beyond what is specifically said, and we're here past the point of what is specifically said.
>>23973491you really are just an asshole huh
>>23973506weird that was my exact thought at someone going on about knowing what something is from vibes and inferrerences
>>23973511>While the weapon bay on the underside of the shield's tip normally houses funnel missilesI'm genuinely sorry for you that a person trying to explain and discuss things with you makes you feel small.
>>23973517you're very confused about things but that's okaysandbarrels in the shield is cool bro, that was genuinepretending you know what greeble #3 in the shoulder does is you being a clown
>>23973488why would the Penelope need a monoeye on the chest?
>>23973488That's a relief because I already put the Odysseus together and I did not paint the yellow vents on the legs.
>>23973440>>23973488yeah okay that all makes sense to me
>>23973537Penelope has a bunch of sensors, the boon above its head houses even moreit just wants to see you better anon
questionwhen was the Crossbone Gundam theme first released? and who composed it?https://youtu.be/u2Xei0py-pM?si=FdEscxWenD-SHXVE
>>23973739I think it was G Gen F but it might've been before that
>>23973440The only reason Hathaway's is so dark is so you don't have to be embarrassed by all the awful designs
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>>23976759there are several seconds missing between these clipshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ad8OPal2So
>>23976766Oh that's a much better shot of it, I only remembered it being in one of the trailers so that's where I clipped it from
I think it's neat how one of the names considered for V2 Assault was V2 Cloth
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>>23980624f90 a shit
>>23976759this looks like shit
>>23976759>>23976766The Hathaway films' CGI looks pretty bad.
I just read that Ideon - Gundam crossover mangait was short but pretty intense
>>23976759this really is the best mecha movie ever made holy shit
>>23982805All that work just to give it the Sinanju weapons is a little disappointing
>>23962190Go back fag
I just saw F91 for the first time, I liked. I had listened to Eternal Wind before, what a banger.
>>23985475I think it gets better on rewatches when you're used to the crazy pacing
reminder Meduzak was too cool to waste on F91
>>23985476>when you're used to the crazy pacingat least some text that states how much time passed between some scenes would be appreciated because the movie make is look like everything happened non stop
Den'an Zon really is an itty bitty wittle baby
>>23990042we have to go smoller
>>23990270Fashionable
>>23990270Zondo Big
I believe we are getting close to our next monthly mobile machine article and whatever next crazy revelation they’ll just bring out next
>>23993982yeah I believe it's out in like 12 hours, typically pics from new chapter are online in a day or less after release. I wonder what wacky stuff we'll see this time.
>>23994390isn't there some (non-canon) manga where SD mobile suits actually existed, they're basically just junior MS with giant heads forming enclosed cockpits instead of glass canopies or open cockpits like most other mobile workers?
>>23994420yeah it's a joke in the Ideon crossover manga, Cluster referenced it
>>23994425This is one of those perfect gags where it feels absurd on the face but is remarkably reasonable when you think about it
>>23994446You know there is some high school kid that decorated a old mobile worker like a proper mobile suit and insists to everyone around him it's just as good as the real thing.
>>23993982>>23994390wahey, that one was quick thank you 2chan
>>23995350I'll do a basic translation in a while Also Crossbone has some fun stuff
>>23995350VOL 48 - GRAND ZAM (or Gran Zam, nobody knows at this point really)>Big Zam>Deployed to Solomon by Gihren Zabi and piloted by Dozle Zabi in a suicide attack on the Feddie fleet>Allegedly its operation time was limited to 20 minutes however combat records are unclear>Jamru Fin>Core of an Axis-developed Big Zam successor, converted into a transformable MS>A number was produced and equipped with various loadouts>Redesigning it as a mobile armor served as a prototype for the Grand Zam>MAs fielded in the OYW like Bigro and Elmeth were created following a long period of testing and prototyping before seeing real combat>Meanwhile, Big Zam suddenly appeared in the records when Gihren sent it to reinforce Solomon>It could deflect naval beam cannons, its speed and agility out matched space fighters and even mobile suits and it had the firepower to destroy an entire fleet>Were it not for Amuro Ray's desperate close range attack there is little doubt Big Zam would have dealt devastating losses to the Tianem fleet and derailed the Feddie offensive, letting Zeon reconquer Solomon>It's unclear if Gihren truly believed in Big Zam's value>At the very least, Dozle did not count it among his main forces at the eve of battle which is only natural with an untested weapon>However, Gihren may have been right>As a 240 IQ genius it's possible he assessed its abilities independently from California Base's MA-05 and Kycilia's MAN series models>It's impossible to know>Regardless, its incredible firepower was undeniable>After the war Feddies pursued development of weapons to counter it, such as GP03 and Psycho Gundam while Zeon developed successors like Neue Ziel and Alpha Azieru>History proved Gihren's foresight, but it's unfortunate the MA that he personally oversaw, the Gromlin, could not be delivered on time for the battle of A Baoa Qu
>>23995350>>23995395>GRAND ZAM>Deployed during the Second Wrath of Varuna operation>It's evident from its appearance and design philosophy that it's a base defense MA descended from the Big Zam >equipped with an I-Field and a beam shield>armed with numerous anti-air machine guns and mega particle cannons, its defenses are impenetrable>it inflicted heavy casualties on Feddie MSs attacking Epsilon City>the main weapon is the high mega cannon in the center, rated at 118.75 MW>together with the on-board biocomputer it can perform precision firing at tens of thousands of kilometers>it's also equipped with a 240mm rail cannon, enabling effective attacks on heavy MAs with I-Field defenses>the missile launchers on various are capable of firing not only conventional warheads but also Funnel Missiles linked to its Psychoframe, suggesting lineage connection to the Psycho Gundam Mk-II>the lower section consists of a massive thermonuclear rocket engine, enabling complete freedom of movement on the ground and high thrust in the atmosphere>the combination of massive assault thrusters and countless beam cannons is reminiscent of the later Rafflesia and there is no doubt Grand Zam's data was used in its development>it is equipped with Minovsky Flight>Together with its beam barrier it can perform independent atmospheric entry>this is in line with Big Zam's original operational plan and similar to the Big Zamuru developed with the same approach>it should be noted the total production number remains unclear to this day>for uncertain reasons the mass driver assault operation proceeded before the full force could be produced, leaving several unfinished frames at the Martian base>it's unknown how many were completed and where they were deployed
>>23995350>>23995406>to borrow the words of Romero Malavar (poached by SNRI in UC 0120 and involved in F series), Grand Zam was "as lavish as a Christmas cake" - overspecced for the Oldsmobile forces designed almost exclusively for guerilla warfare>as such, though the design was largely finalized during the first Oldsmobile Campaign it's believed Jupiter Phantom chose to only recover the frame and psycommu unit>Charles Rochester believed that deploying the Grand Zam would, paradoxically, restrict their flexibility>Although he was acclaimed as a Newtype and a perfect pilot for it he didn't want to sacrifice strategic versatility for tactical victory>he reasoned that it would be better to assemble the required number of mobile suits and fight the Federation head-on to retain the upper hand>However, after his fleet was destroyed - as planned from the outset by the Crossbone Vanguard - left him with no other options>Oldsmobiles, a guerille force, had to resort to being besieged in Epsilon City>as such, Grand Zam was suddenly requested for deployment before it could have been fully prepared>yet the pilot wasn't Rochester, but rather Dem Dehajo (sic?)>a political officer seconded as a supervisor>fervent follower of Iron Mask, he intended to battle the Fedeartion, attack the Earth and demonstrate the true spirit of Cosmo Nobility>it's true Grand Zam proved immensely powerful>however, it was alsoa colossal waste of lives and resources, serving only as a sacrificial pawn for Cosmo Babylonia>Dehajo felt he died in glory, but for Rochester and everyone else around him it was a nuisance and a burden>perhaps that's the essence of the Second Oldsmobile Campaign>regardless, the fighting was about to spill into the first battle of Illuyanka Space FortressMay 5th, UC 0150, Dina Kim Ginzaeva
>>23995352tell me about the boneswhy do they cross?
>>23995437gah fuck didn't realize the pic got eaten
>>23995438Hasegawa does it again, pure brilliance
>>23995438WTF is that
also whatsherface is a cutie patootie and I love her
>>23995442obviously that is a propeller head gouf with a beam claw riding an abigordodai custom and controlling it via its reinsLegit I love the little helicopter backpack boy he's holding too, what a cutie
>>23995442I can only assume it's a sex thing
>>23995445>goufgyan of course dumb brain
>>23995430One thing I forgot to note here is they mention the initial Grand Zam design from before the fall of Mars and the one used at the end of 2nd OM War have differences, though it's unclear what exactly. Also we have another mention that the Olympus Cannon attack plan was carried out ahead of schedule which has been hinted at before. We only have some general descriptions of the leadup to F90's events from the Martian side so there are still a lot of unanswered questions there.Makes me wonder what the "early-type" Grand Zam would have been like. Not too different, certainly, but still.Also:>equipped with minovsky flight and beam barrier>capable of atmospheric entry on its own>potentially carrying funnel missilesIsn't this basically Xi Gundam turned into a mobile armor? Given its size turning into a superheavy MA isn't even THAT crazy, though it's also a perfect example of the versatility of suits over armor. Honestly if Oldsmobiles just had a few Xi Gundams they would have been stoked.Wait, doesn't this make Rafflesia an indirect Xi successor? lmaoAt the same time the psycommu-assisted long-range targeting is reminiscent of Zanneck as well as the Inle.
>>23995440he never fails
>>23955794Strange enough, this isn't the same Anchor from Dust; just a completely new one built from leftover spare parts. I'm curious weither or not they built the F89 base frame or secure the second unit to modify.
>>23996388not quite, the V4 was totaled but V5 is built out of what could be scavenged from it and miscellaneous Federation mass produced units.
>>23996395The V4 or the second F89?
>>23996395>>23996396the Second F89 were never found. All that left of the Anchor V4 are the ejected cockpit, along with the head and limbs. The core Body have to cobble together to replicate the original F89 torso that was imploded along with the Dust Pack (hence the propellers on the VV).
>>23996388Pic related.The body have to be rebuilt from scraped federation parts; everything else was salvaged from the V4.
>>23996417Meant to respond to>>23996404.Also higher res.
>>23995350we're reaching the finale of the Formula Report now, Rochester is dead (his sister Kanata is still MIA from the end of F90FF)Question is where do we go from here, Silhouette Formula? There's evidently still a lot of plot to get through, I think we're like halfway through the story at this point.
>>23998140Silhouette seems like a logical choice. Not only from a plot standpoint, but with Gunpla as well. We already have a RE/100 of the Vigna-Zirah. Bandai could probably squeeze out a P-Bandai MG of the Silhouette, Neo, and probably a RE/100 of the Berga Balus.
>>23998140I would be pleasantly surprised if they covered more of the post-F91 Cosmos Babalyonia foundation wars in this manga
>>23998160definitely seems the smartest, it's chronologically the next thing so there's barely any need for time skips. And like you say they went out of their way to make a Vigna Zirah kit ways back. Easy opportunity for Silhouette and Neo, there's a shit ton of F90 kits but something similar yet different should be a good choice now.Berga Balus will also be an easy remold of Giros/Dalas runners which are inevitable at this point.>>23998415I fully expect them to, the second Illuyanka Battle between CV and Federation was after the movie and Nana Tachibana was already set up as one of the major Formula pilots. Her brother has already had a prominent role in the manga as well and they've already adapted a portion of the story anyway.Plus Lyle gets his Cluster Gundam after the movie as well and I can't imagine they're gonna just finish the plot there unless we get another sequel right afterwards.
>>23998160I could also see new suits added like a Mars Custom F91
>>23996028I feel like Minovsky Flight is an overkill just to make this GROUND Mobile Armor hover.I'm surprised that they never mentioned The O II considered that it was built by Zeon and is basically the same thing.
>>23998422I'm curious what would be the logic here, with the end of 2nd Olsmobile War the Independent Mars Zeon Forces and Jupiter Phantom are both effectively wiped out, Zeon's time is over nowPic totally unrelated...
>>23998454at this point it's very mature, well documented technology that's been in use for half a century and is perfect for the purpose. Even miniaturized suits begin using it on occasion, several F90 packs besides Assault use it as a supplemental measure and F91 maybe had it or maybe not. A superheavy MA like this definitely should have it.Plus it was already intended to be installed in Big Zam so this is just making it a reality.
>>23998454forgot to add, The O II definitely could have been mentioned here but it's rather rare for Kondo stuff to be mentioned outside his works (I can only think of Nu's Master Archive) even though MMM has pulled MUCH deeper cuts and Bandai does release official merchandise of his stuff from time to time
>>23998461I don't recall anything ever indicating F91 had it, source?
>>23998465historically it has been muddy with some databooks and so on saying yay and others nay, even for the movie the animation director (iirc?) said F91 was animated under the assumption it has it. And there's also a whole enigma with some kind of early Minovsky Drive as well.More recently Monthly Mobile Machine has mentioned that there are "multiple testimonies" of F91 having Minovsky Flight with data inherited from F90A but no concrete proof and it's entirely possible it had just regular thermonuclear thrusters. So basically nobody really knows even in-universe lmaoSame situation with Drive that I mentioned, SNRI supposedly considered installing a simplified F90W-based module as an instant acceleration system but SUPPOSEDLY never reached agreement with EFF. Both of these tidbits come from vol 20Besides that the recent F90 Setting Materials Collection notes it's theoretically possible an incomplete "Minovsky Drive effec" occurred when F91 reached maximum Biocomputer performance. This harkens back to Victory production materials where the basic principle of Minovsky Drive technology was described as a fusion of theories behind VSBR and Minovsky Flight technologies.Again, all of it is deliberately vague and unclear "maybe yeah maybe nah" and it's anyone's guess if that ever changes.
Cluster 25 RAWhttps://files.catbox.moe/l731g1.zipSearobber 19 RAWhttps://files.catbox.moe/kg9if7.zip
>>23998488homie I am sorry but I am not trusting a zip file on this site
>>23998500retard
>>23998456A send-off suit, the culmination of Olds and ZeonDesign could have elements homaging the Sinanju
>>23998695I think the Mars F90 already fulfills that role, it's literally THE Mars Gundam
>>23998721There's no limit on how Martian we can go, anon
>>23998488using the RF Zaku shoulder shield as a regular shield is cool
>>23998804I feel like all the other Dom chads laugh at him for bringing a shieldDoms with shields are pretty cool though especially the knuckle shield styleDom dual wielding bazooka and machinegun is the gigachad loadout however
>>23999621there is another...
>>23999772unleashing this on GBO2 would cause untold mental damage
>>23999776the other panel where it shows up btw
weakest BESPA soldier in the Victory Gundam manga be like
>>24003361Is that Tassilo?
fanmade designs are always interesting
>>24003728Late UC Hazel derivative?
>>24003731Crossbone Vanguard stuff, this one is labeled as Berga GirosBut generally speaking there's always gonna be a little TR Plan DNA in mobile suits of this era, especially when CV can trace a direct line to it from both Formula and RF series
it's Gouf Day!
>>24004454Gouf you say
>>24005013technically still late UC because you better fucking believe there were some RF Goufs running around with that look
>>24004729this makes my pp the big PPgod damn Ito Mamoru is the greatest to ever do the job
>Episode 1: Black Gundam
>>24007102I'm generating my beam rifle device so hard right now
>>24004729do you think Amuro, Lalah, and Char’s NT ghosts were watching Char clone masturbate?
I'm a freak. I want a Victory-era story about a trio consisting of F80, Mass Production type F91 and Flint
>>24007158F91 is so sexy, one of Okawara's absolute masterpieces
>>23998422There's already a red Spacenoid F91.
>>24007411that shit doesn't even pack VSBRs
>>24007429It's relativism from people putting arbitrary limits on the number of MS allowed to exist in a certain era
>>24007429>wants VSRBFineeee
>>24007158Victory-era story about two Gundams and a grunt?You're a weirdo indeed.
>>23995350honestly the wildest part to me here is that it's running a biocomputer there, definitely provided by Crossbone Vanguard but that's still some high-end shit even if it's definitely not on the level of F91's
>>24007429you don't need VSBRs to be F91
>>24005031Considering the amount of replicas in Crossbone I'd say anything can be Late UC if you squint hard enough
It's such a small thing but I'd love to see the N-Type Hull Fighter equipped with funnel missiles on the wings like it's stated to be capable of. And in general stuff mounted on them so that the VSBRs don't feel like just an outright objective upgrade.
V Gundam AB is strangely appealing to me
>>24009339You mean the Second V: >>23955674
>>23955592>Late UCDo we even know when UC ends? How can you say this is late when it's only decades or so after Neo Axis fell?
>>24009459because it's the commonly agreed upon term
Hasegawa's Crossbone...
>>24009498They're so beautiful.
>>24009498every crossbone is beautiful, there are no ugly crossbones.
Thirty's full name is going to be Crossbone X-30, isn't it
>>24009733it doesn't look anything like a Crossbone so far and that'd be pretty random for a Zanscare machine either way
>>24009733>>24009735What is this "thirty" you speak of?
>>24009770the Exodia thingamabob >>23968826
>>24009735I think saying it doesn't look anything like a Crossbone is a big stretch. It shares a really similar structure even if the details are different. The arm construction for instance still has the same basic form of the Crossbone arms with the brand marker being whatever the hell those thingies are. The chest has the same cavity where the corefighter can fit, but no head portion, so it could just be a Crossbone with more a V style Corefighter. The legs share the same general structure too. The shoulders are different in form but only in the armour again.The whole thing it basically just some armour bits away from being a Crossbone in appearance really.
>>24009464Okay I was just wondering. I'm curious what does happen near the end of the date period. You think turn a/x was made to fight the aliens and then wiped out civilization?
>>24009784doesn't matter really
how does V2 shutdown generators? particle overload?
>>24009783It's meant to be the Crossbone version of the Hyaku Shiki/Delta Gundam The design is fully modular, which may imply that the Turn X is a distant descendant technology-wise
>>24009784as far as the majority of things go UC runs out of substantial works by UC 200There's only two works set around that time with reasonable pedigree (G-Saviour and Gaia Gear), though largely irrelevant in reality. Otherwise V in 153 is the last thing that is unquestionable. Crossbone goes past it though.Outside of that there are a few small random works that take place centuries later, but they're really so much their own thing as random sidestories and have little pull as works. Under the Gundam Almarya and Mad Wang anyway.Turn A/X don't deal with aliens. At all. As anything Tomino wrote goes he was never considering aliens. Turn X was supposed to be made by people who left the solar system during the dark history, the background vaguely being interstellar wars between factions of humanity. But it's kinda beside the point so nothing gets into it....Except Hasegawa who supposes that Judau leaving in Sidestory of V is effectively going to found the civilization that goes on to produce Turn X.
>>24009783fair points honestly, I kinda forgot how Crossboney it looks actuallythis makes a lot of sense too, Seerauber is the 30th anniversary celebration manga and this thing is named 30. A Zanscare-esque Crossbone-thing just makes sense.
>>24009793tbf F99 is our glorious Zanscare Crossbone already but I will enjoy additional onesCan't say I'm big on the gold but I think the whole thing's a fun idea and if it's pirate treasure it's gotta be gold so I can hardly argue with it. I hope it has a cool head and backpack, I feel like a lot of his attempts to make cooler Crossbone thruster arrangements have ended up looking less cool than the OGs. >>24009787I haven't refreshed myself on all the mumbojumbo in a bit but as I recall that scene's posited explanation is that the extremely high energy particles it shits out as the Wings of Light fried their electronics.
>>24009793The Grampus is a more blatant Zanscare Crossbone synthesis Its head resembles the Rig Shokew's
it's always funny to see the same damn anon saying the same incoherent shit for months and years
>>24009815are you alright
>>24009787....Same magnetic flux behind the Melee Beam Weaponry and I-Field barrier; Magnets tends to fuck with electronics.
>>24009825what do you mean? those don't shut down MS in their proximity
>>24009829Not on their own, no: >>23942205
>>24009838one thing about that post is that the wings aren't something the phantom or the v2 wants to have. they're failed particle conversions. A perfect MDS suit wouldn't have any wings of light or beam flames or anything. It would have a drive that achieved 100% particle conversion rate into the I-Field repulsion mechanism and thus have no exhaust to get rid of.
>>24009867yeah but then it turned out wings of light are pretty useful in practice
>>24009871Yeah although V definitely plays kinda fast and loose with it. Stuff like shutting MS down that go between it would be pretty fucking awful to happen to friendlies trying to use the wings as shields and stuff like that. But yeah they certainly prove useful enough and there's plenty of arguments for an MS intentionally creating them based on what they do.
>>24009871Uso is just a madlad
>>24009901Dude have his parents died before his eyes. I know Kamilee went through the same shit, but at Uso's age he would rather not see a mobile suit again.
>>24009906also trained into a guerilla soldier basically from birth, plus his mother got a sign from MOTHERFUCKING GOD that he's gonna be built different
>>24009908Only for him to hold her tornly decapitated head.
>>24009909shit was wild, I think it's good if no later story ever touches on Uso again because what the hell do you even write about him after all that shit? Having him as a functional 20 year old feels hard to believe but anything darker would just be too sad.
>>24009913prototype of Phantom (conceptually)
>>24010036Isn't that already the Victory? And the F90 before that?
>>24010452It's a rendering of the scrapped X-4 for Crossbone Steel 7, whose concept were later revisited for the creation of the Phantom.
To this day, powerscalers still can't agree on this one question. Which MS is stronger, V2 or Ghost Gundam? V2 has better WoL, but Silver Phantom has full body I-field, better weapons, anti-beam coating, offensive "fire" attacks, built-in semi-sentient AI, etc...The various V2 "Full armor" forms probably win out though
>>24010743powerscalers aren't people so it doesn't really matterif we're talking about just pros and cons of the suits then it's worth keeping in mind Phantom is a fuckass Jovian prototype where half the features are buggy or broken whereas V2 is a fuckass Earthsphere prototype that's, like, at least 80% working as intended
>>24010743V2AB has I-Fields and more weaponry than it needs to deal with an entire fleet (better weapons too actually). Like that manga scene is cool but it's actually way less impressive than when Usso fires the beam spray pod.Better MDS is the icing on the cakeWith Usso plugging in his support HaroGOD? no chanceV2's just a better machine than the Phantom in all sortsa regards
>>24010745I'd say Jovian tech consistently beats Earthspere tech across the entire franchise, especially the later we get into UC. And Ghost fixes all the glitches and fuckass features between the Vtuber AI, the coolant pods, and giving itself impromptu bottom surgery with a beam saber>>24010746Yeah, I was comparing it with base V2 mostly. AB is on a class of its own.
>>24010767Even ignoring the potential AB, I think something easily overlooked is that the "V2 Gundam" is ultimately just the core fighter of it. It houses everything important. As V shows it's a pretty strong ability to throw your pants at people, including a drone fleet of your pants, but taking it to its logical conclusion you can build a lot of different MS frames for that core fighter to fit into and work with. Between that and having hardpoints everywhere even on the V2 proper, its ability to evolve as a design and fulfill different roles is way greater. When you take it to the extremes V2 can start to look like a even more insane TR-6+F90 lovechild, but obviously we never see much of that/there isn't much of an industrial base in the lore for that sorta thing to happen/plenty of other little caveats, but either way it's a remarkable design any way you slice it when you think about grand aerospace war strategy, service lifespans, military logistics blahblahblah.
>>24010767idk aside from particularly insane specialized tech like Bio-brains most of their real good stuff only came about because they managed to nab Crossbone and other SNRI data. The whole reason Crossbone Vanguard under Berah Ronah could be a threat and even get away with non-lethal takedowns was because the Crossbones had a massive performance gap over anything the Jovians threw at them. Even when they form the dedicated anti-Gundam kill squad via the Death Gale team it's a trio of specialized models that can't compete with Crossbone 1 on 1 and needs the entire team working together to their strenghts to get the advantage.Afterwards almost all of their best shit and prototypes harken back to the X2 data they got like Amakusa, Cornix and later Thoucus and their own Crossbones. (hey hold on... Death Gale trio? Death Guns trio? oh my god)
>>24010785>(hey hold on... Death Gale trio? Death Guns trio? oh my god)Now you're gettin it, amigo>Afterwards almost all of their best shit and prototypes harken back to the X2 dataYeah as far as their completely homegrown MS development they had good designs but basically nothing in the original Crossbone comes close to their performance level. On the otherhand we also don't really know where that fits them in with other stuff, but the Batallas and derivatives all read as cutting-edge MS that were probably better than rest of the Crossbone Vanguard MP assets from F91 to me, but I'm not sure if there's any basis for that beyond my feelings.At this point some elements of the greater Crossbone canon are maybe a little too circlejerky with the OG Crossbones but whatever, it's his playground and he's earned it. I can't deny it's fun the Jovians keep obsessing harder and harder to the point of building replicas because these dudes keep blowing them the fuck out every few years even though they have actually built plenty of MS surpassing their performance. Basically no excuses after they made the Cornix really, all the MS performance in the world can't save you if some damn kid falls into a little noble space piracy.
>>24010785>can't compete with Crossbone 1 on 1I'd say that's more down to pilot skill than Crossbone performance. Crossbones don't really have any standout features outside of being good generalists and having some "dirty fighting" potential with all the built-in weapons, the pilot needs to be a newtypeGOD to actually beat shit like the Quavarze that will just rape you with chainsaws, or the Tortuga that is simply immune to all damage. >ThoucusSame deal, with the caveat that some of the niches they fill are some pointless bullshit (let's make an MS that can stand on shorelines to attack bases safe from ground assaults... in a time period where in-atmosphere flight is commonplace).. And then there's shit like Zanspine. I'd say at no point in any of the crossbone mangas does it feel like the crossbones win by "stat checking" opponents and being the better MS (unlike say, the Unicorn), the Crossbones are always underdogs that need to get tricksy and figure out a counter to beat the OP jovian monster.
>>24010804>Now you're gettin it, amigocalling it now MMM is gonna mention this similarity at some point>Batallas and derivatives all read as cutting-edge MSBatalla is described as focusing on cheap and practical production so it seems just serviceable for the time period to me but admittedly this is all vibes-based anyway. Berga series seems better to me and Vigna line is really no worse than Formula Gundams, even the high end Batalla derivates like Erebado don't really show off much despite looking cool as fuck.>maybe a little too circlejerky with the OG Crossbones but whateveryeah it gets a tiny bit contrived when they're just building copies of Crossbone but I like it honestly, better for the manga to be too bold and proud than too humble and try to diminish itself and hide in a corner where it doesn't impact anything else. Giving Crossbone such an enduring legacy in UC is just a reflection of how it became a hallmark of Gundam especially for a manga.>>24010807>Crossbones don't really have any standout features outside of being good generaliststheir design concept is dummy high speed and close combat, but I do get what you mean. I didn't mean Crossbones win all the fights by just raw power, that's a disservice to all the fantastic choreography and fight structures in the manga. But just like how they have to get tricky to get a win the enemies always have something special ranging from unique functions to raw skill and fervor to let them get the edge over Crossbone in the first place.This is then juxtaposed in Ghost where by that point Crossbone is just okay and no longer a cutting edge MS under any real measure.
>>24010807> I'd say at no point in any of the crossbone mangas does it feel like the crossbones win by "stat checking" opponents and being the better MSCmon my dude you can't say this when they literally stat checked beam sabres and it was like a huge gimmick for them for the whole OG manga, they're monstrous in their depictions there.They're absolutely portrayed as more mobile and capable than virtually everything they fight against, they're just outnumbered. Seabook dunking on F91s was definitely cus he was a badass pilot, but ALSO because the Crossbones are nuts.
>>24010826in fairness against F91 in particular with an ace like Harrison it really came down to skill and knowledge, the double block on the VSBR was not something anyone else could have pulled off in that moment. Ultimately F91 and F97 are pretty even baring extreme circumstances and specialized combat - full performance Biocomputer is nutty but Crossy is suited for Jovian combatGod it's a crime they don't seem to have ever made good digital scans of Crossbone and now the raws are borked
>>24010825> Berga series seems better to me and Vigna line is really no worse than Formula GundamYeah I was thinking a lot more for their mainline series, Den'ans basically. Erebado gets completely shafted and does nothing despite its Xenomorph lookin ass, but I definitely got the idea it was "supposed" to be something like a Berga or Vigna equivalent or thereabouts. If I was being really charitable I think Quavarze is probably the earliest MS Crossbone shows us that seems to meaningfully compete with the Crossbones on most fronts, and they MP it in the scope of the original manga so I feel like it's noteworthy overall.
>>24010825Fair enough, I guess I never really got the feel that they were particulaely fast compared to other miniaturized MS, thpugh maybe that's due to the manga format. I can't remember much about the Harrison fight, was it keeping up with the F91 in full speed demon mode?>>24010826To be fair "biggetr beam saber" has been a thing since like Z or ZZ, not much of an innovation, though it's true that the MS doing it are ususally monsters like the ZZ>>24010834>Jovian combatI think it's funny that despite being designed for that, 90% of their fights are in the Earth Sphere. It does give them great thrust vectoring/AMBAC though!
>>24010834The variable thruster setup is always shown to give them a strong edge, their agility just really never gets checked until Amakusa in Skull Heart. Everything can kill in one good hit (and especially against MP F91s, he's dead in one unblockable hit) so I personally think he'd have outright lost if he was in anything other than Crossbone in that whole sequence. It's got a biocomputer too, as much as it tends to be forgotten about.Yeah the general scans around are a bit lacking. I've got some old physical copies myself but they're a bit yellowed.
>>24010849I wonder what the ethics of using AI to clean up the scans would be. I'm a certified sloppa hater but this feels like the one good use case
>>24010848>To be fair "biggetr beam saber" has been a thing since like Z or ZZ, not much of an innovation, though it's true that the MS doing it are ususally monsters like the ZZIt's not really just bigger beam sabre but the fact they're so strong they are consistently cutting through beam sabres and beam shields and when they can't do it it actually surprises the pilot. That's really rare. Outside of Crossbone the amount of times a beam sabre cuts through or overpowers another one is extremely rare in Gundam. It does happen a couple times, but it's not common at all, even to this day - let alone in 1994. But it happens all the time in Crossbone, it's the norm for them and they cut through them like a hot knife through butter multiple times, and that being the case makes them fairly exceptional.
>>24010838I'd say that's probably on point, Quavarze was certainly the most effective of the Death Gale trio. Erebado is a really peculiar thing since it feels like a fusion of usual high-spec suits with a recon machine, interesting parallel to Vigna Ghina being derived from Daghi Iris. And it has a swiss army knife arm like Ebirhu-S too...>>24010848>maybe that's due to the manga format.might be, they're explicitly dummy quick compared to Earthsphere-use suits to the point they're really hard to use outside of Jupiter's gravity well. And even there they sure seem to be like they have a mobility advantage against most things.>was it keeping up with the F91 in full speed demon modeyeah they're going at it teeth bared and everything, very erotic honestlygranted Seabook obliterated all the lesser F91 pilots in like 6 panels because he's just that good and they're just that okay>>24010849True, Crossy has a biocomputer too but we never see it reach the same kind of maximum performance burst and there's no MEPE functionality to reflect that. Could be the version installed on them just has more balanced performance but can't reach the same maximum level or maybe it actually can and I just don't rememberIt's not even an issue with the scans at this point, by all accounts even Bandai doesn't have better quality raws now probably because they didn't keep proper track of preserving them when it was just another random manga, many cases like this sadly.I feel like the best case scenario now would be if Hasegawa remade it for the 40th anniversary or something but that just sounds like a pain in the ass to do so I doubt he will
>>24010862alright Hasegawa redraw me Crossbone and do better with Zabine's character this time
>>24010866mmm yes that's fine so long as I get this panel in 4k with photorealistic musculature
>>24010869Berah bring me my spray bottle
>>24010873oh hell yeah let's make him even more of a sopping wet dog
>>24010743The Phantom and all of its variants are the Jack of all trade yet master of none kind of suit. Yes it have all of those features built in, but most of them were poorly implemented before proper adjustments has been made. Meanwhile, the V2 have a better Minovsky Drive and a Core fighter eject system, but you have to equip it with addons for specific situations (good luck flying at full speed with the complete set). Plus, as previous threads pointed out, it's more useful as a frontline sweeper; the I-Fields and the Wings of light made it difficult to work within a team of mobile suits. all in all, the Phantom does manage to make a name of itself without outshining that of the titular suit of the Anime it was a side story of. It's probably the reason why they hold out on this concept (>>24010036and >>24010714) until the Zanscare war only to nerf it so that it's other features can be shown off.
>>24010746Like I said, the Phantom is the Jack of all trade, Master of none: >>24010885
>>24010862>Crossy has a biocomputer too but we never see it reach the same kind of maximum performance burst and there's no MEPE functionality to reflect thatF91's MEPE mode isn't really a performance burst. It lives with the broad identity of it conceptually but it is nothing more than it shedding armour because it's running too hot, that's all. The biocomputer itself does adjust the handling of the MS based on the pilot, but the maximum performance being reached is actually a distinct thing only linked to metal peel off activating. There's a correlation but technically it can happen without the biocomputer running at full power, and the biocomputer can also run at full power for some amount of time before the heat becomes unmanageable. Later things don't use metal peel off because they actually just manage their heat better and the biocomputer became more efficient - that's at least a posited reason that the MP F91s don't have it anyways even when their biocomputers have limiters removed for Ace units. Anyways, point being, it's a couple distinct things that aren't indicative of much.
>>24010036>>24010714This thing is giving off some serious Weltall vibes.
It amuses me that even late into UC with new factions coming into play with all their wacky new ideas, the EFF (or SNRI or Anaheim really) never tried to make even a single MA
>>24010902bunny...there were plenty in the 0080s and some still in the 0090s to be fair, but after that it is very rare yes.In fairness they're also just rarer in general, Oldsmobile and CV have like one each and even these are rather specialized. Jovians have a bunch but even they kinda slow down with that later. Zanscare also had a couple but that was a full-scale war so it's different circumstances, and even then it's not too many compared to early UC.It would be pretty cool to see SNRI or Anaheim try their hand at a MA concept for Feddies in, like, UC 0130s or something.
>>24010905>080s and 90sWhich ones? And no Dendrobium doesn't count.
reminder that MA development peaked here
>>24010908you've got the Psycho Gundams and the Asshimars and the Gaplants (there IS a difference between transformable MAs and transformable MSs and these two are firmly the former) and a couple side story things, and then a bunch more from Kondo's works in particular too and no doubt more that I am missingsure broadly speaking Zeon in all its varieties had more but it's not like Feddies never tried their hand at italso you're stinky Dendrobium definitely counts
>>24010916If Dendroibium counts then Penelope and Alyzeus should too. We're getting into the Platonic ideal of Mobile Suits territory
>>24010909WARNING WARNING WARNING Giant enemy [cyber] crab!!!
>>24010944I think there's a critical difference here in that parts strapped onto Odysseus and MP Nu are not, like, at least 10 times the volume and mass of the suit
>>24010954Are you sure? The dragon pajamas are VERY big
>>24010963they are VERY beeg yes, but they still firmly qualify as pajamas rather than a domicile
>>24010895Xenogears a shit
I love the mythical F92
How come Minovsky flight was already a mature technology by 105, but then we needed to wait until Victory to see it again? F90 had a prototype version but that felt less advanced than what Xi got.
>>24011014Now wait a minute... are those shelf nozzles?
>>24011018Because they started shrinking suits for various reasons meaning it had to be shrunk even further. Granted they went a bit to far as the tiny ass core fighter from the Victory has a system in it strong enough for the whole mobile suit.
Would the F91 and Victory be the only Gundams to be mass produced with little to no changes between the original and the mass production models?
>>24011035I think that they miniaturize the Minovsky Drive system down enough to a simple fighter jet, when it was previously used for the Mother Vangaurd; which was an upgrade from the flight system which it's a step towards FTL travel
>>24011061No, a couple of other models exist as well. The Ground Gundams are already mass-produced as is until they ran out of parts. There was a production line for the Gundam Mk-II in Gundam Thunderbolt, I don't think they've been shown in combat but they look more or less identical. In regular UC there was nothing stopping the Mark II from being produced since it had nothing special that was too expensive or difficult to produce either, just that no one bothered to do it. Besides, it fell off in terms of performance so much that its performance is already met by other production MS not long after it was first deployed.
>>24011110The MK-II was a true prototype where it didn't even have high end armor. It was just a demonstrator for the moveable frame.
>>24011014This things looks like it was made by the Buch Concern rather than the S.N.R.I.
>>24011014Regardless of being a total fan creation I enjoy the F95. It's been around so long and I always thought it was just neat.
>>24011248That honestly looks more like a Gundam from Advance of Zeta rather than a part of the Formula series.
>>24011252It's not far from an alternate GP03.
>>24011079There's a MASSIVE difference between "going very fast" and "breaking the fundamental laws of the universe
>F89>F90>F91>>???>>F97>>F99>>>>More F97 variationsDo we know anything about the empty gaps?
>>24011018There's several units in F90 era equipped with it though, it's just not standard issue for everything yet.
>>24011019that's the idea yeah>>24011287if you wanna get really cute about it I guess there's R Gundam with the model F99R but that's an SD little guy with no actual relation to the Formula series. It just happens to be IRL inspired by Victory's design (and Tekkaman) and have some loadout options akin to F90. Unless they get really funny with this stuff in the future it doesn't really count of course.Other than that nothing really, F92 was briefly considered as a potential series with design studies like Ishigaki's work here >>24011014 but that never went anywhere beyond very early planning that soon turned into Victory.
>>24010834>full performance Biocomputer is nuttyWhat does that even mean in practical terms?SNRI MS tech wise, bio-computer primary function is likely swift adaptation to any equipment one might throw at it, seeing as it was a replacement to computers they used on F90 and F70, while even F80 computer was a compomise. Of course it also allows to fine-tune the movement with psycommu, but it's likely not a big concern in comparison.
>>24011461For F91 in particular if the biocomputer is fully synced up with a Newtype pilot it releases all of the suit's limiters, raising its speed, reactions and power while still maintaining the man-machine connection to the pilot's brain. It's why the dang thing was running so hot it causes the MEPE phenomenon.
https://www.studio-himitsukichi.com/20260827/2857/
>>24011499Abigor Dodai IS real and WILL harm you
>>24011499That has... unfortunate implications for any MS riding on it
Waiter, waiter! Bake me a new thread!
>>24011811gimme three reasons
>>24011811Too early, why not wait until page 9 at least?
>>24011812>>24011828
>>24011888well yeah but that's besides the point here, it's not a reason either
Could someone tell me what exactly this thing is, which manga it shows up in, and what's up with its weapons?
>>24012191It's Baroque from Dust. Basically the main anagonist's MS.What the fuck is up with its weapons is a good fucking question especially in the first iteration.
>>24012534according to the wiki it's some sort of massive sword as big as the Psyco Gundam? And apparently it gets MS grafts and a MA form, though the wiki has no pictures? Sounds pretty wild
>>24010743Zanspine outclassed them both, anyways.
>>24012782It's hell, that's what it is.
>>24012783>Paper designMight as well start throwing shit like the V3 in there then>>24012792El Abominacion... What the fuck is that? Did they develop flexible metal plating to build it or is it stuck A-posing? And does it intentionally look like an anomalocaris?
>>24012792AnomalocarisGODs....
*Rapes your favorite ace pilot*
>>24012919Barbus mogs
>>24012922who? Please, I need Amakusa pics for my folder, I'm begging you
>>24012924>who?He has no styleHe has no graceThis mobile suit has a funny face
>>24012929
>>24012811wdym by paper design, I don't think the zanspine is ugly...
>>24013675a paper design is a design that was planned but never actually built, it never left the paper stage
>>24013966>>24013675It means theoretical or non-canon. It only appears in the SD Gundam War games as BESPA's theoretical answer to Anaheim's V2.
>>24012811>>24013966strictly speaking Zanspine was supposedly built, just not delivered from Zanscare homeland before the war was over>>24013988*theoretical answer to League Militaire's V2
>>24013991I said BESPA not Zanscare.
>>24013997ok...? I didn't say Zanscare there???
>>24013998Anaheim Electronics built the V2 on LeagueMilitare's behalf.
>>24014089No, no it did not.
>>24014114>>24014089It's only suggested that AE were involved in helping the League Militaire, though it make sense that this underground guerrilla group made all of their MS by themselves since the EF devolved to the point that it relied on both them and pirates to protect them form world ending threats.
>>24014089>>24014193Aren't the LM guys ex-SNRI? pretty sure the old guys show up in F90 as SNRI employees working on the minovsky flight pack.
>>24014261Many of the LMs are ex-feds, ex-AEs, and ex-SNRIs. They all went indie to protect the Earth Sphere from space fascists when the Federation proves to be inept.
>>24012898Not quite: this thing (it's called Melt Baroque) is basically a giant Marrella splendens in dorsal wiew, not an Anomalocaris..
Any word on what the Z-Type Mission Pack would be? I feel like that might wind up becoming the MEPE Test Pack or something, because it's the last tech used by the F91 that hasn't been used by other pre-F91 Late UC MS.
>>24014261Long story short: yes.Otis was also shown working on Record Breaker with Mira (Uso's mom who was the lead on V2) as his assistant.
>>24014539All we know is that the Z stands for "Zero" and that F0 registration is reserved as a continuation of the F9 series after model 9People have theorized it might link to later machines such as Zanscare since they're also SNRI descendants and there's really no space in the of Cluster timeline to do more predecessors to F91 at this point. Plus there's an SD version of Shokew called Zero Gundam, just like how there was an SD Mars F90 version called Mars Gundam.Also Cluster appears to display the MEPE phenomenon too.>>24014261AE too. Romero Matabal (Malavar? Who knows?) is namedropped in Mobile Machine vol 4 talking about how much F70 fucking sucks as a mass production model. He was the chief engineer at the time and also worked on the Draig. We had a really on the nose quote from him too lol>Machines should be simple enough for a grade-schooler to pilot and a refugee to maintain.The latest Mobile Machine mentions he got poached by SNRI in the '20s and also worked on the Formula series.
>>24014539I feel like that wouldn't make sense, both because MEPE isn't the intended behaviour and that we're firmly beyond F91 on the tech tree. If anything one could say that F91 was the test machine to equip F90 with biocomputer.Not to mention that we know that Z-Type is supposed to be the prototype for the next generation, which likely means that it is the Cluster situation again, where it is basically the new mobile suit.
>>24014564>The latest Mobile Machine mentions he got poached by SNRI in the '20s and also worked on the Formula series.Not surprising, considering that AE was leaving the MS market (beyond continuing to mass-produce Javelin) during the time period. Neo Gundam was quite possibly the last new design they made.
>>24014567So Silhouette Gundam? Doesn't look like that thing can equip Mission Packs.
>>24014567>one could say that F91 was the test machine to equip F90 with biocomputer.That's going way too far in the other direction, F91 was a complete model in its own right with its own goals and purpose rather than being a technological prototype >>24014700Silhouette is a completely different unrelated thing for this conversation
>>24014702So they really are going for F-0 Gundam as mentioned in some A to Z promo page.
>>24014731all the other mission packs are based on these old notes too
>>24014702Well, I didn't mean that it was the entire purpose of F91, but it's prototypes and development was closely tied in with the development of the biocomputer, to the point of delaying the otherwise ready mobile suit from getting into the production for years.Though it probably isn't fair to say that it was to equip just the F90. SNRI desperately needed a new computer generation for all their projects, that wouldn't be as hard to work with as what they used before for F90 and F70.
>>24014193>>24014586This explains the setting of Crossbone Dust and onward; with League millitare being disbanded and most of their mechanics were either dead or retired, along with AE, SNRI, and BESPA being defunct in the MS department, everyone have to resort to kitbash to create new mobile suits. Hell, the information regarding the Minovsky Drive for Mobile Suits were pretty much lost outside the Phantom.
>>24014827Not everyone and it's just the cheapest and the most common option for the poor Earth Sphere colonies that enjoy their near independance from the "evil" Earth Federation like they always wanted.
>>24014519What does it even do?
>>24015395kick ass and chew bubblegum is what
>>24015477Okay but for real now
Did we ever get a definitive answer on where G-reco and Turn A land in the timeline?
>>24016275It doesn't matter.
>>24016275Turn-A is best refer to itself as an AU in realation to UC and all of the other Timelines.
>>24016479>>24016882but I want to speculate on the tech trees...
>>24016976No you don't. You think you do but I assure you nothing good will come of opening that can of worms.
>>24016978why not?
>>24017005that would involve all of the other timelines to UC. Reguild is good enough, but then you have to imply the rest of the gundam series are canon as well.
>>24017005It just gets messy and not in the fun way, typically a mix of people being unbelievably obtuse and ignorant or just plain rude and dickish for no reason.
>>24016275It's stuck in the same quantum temporal superposition of being before or after Turn A based on the frame of viewing referenceI'm a pre-Turn A sorta anon myself but I don't give a shit and nothing is ever going to explicitly tie things between them any further than we've got so it's pointless and both of them might as well be viewed as just their own things in the real world context because you aren't gonna divine anything greater no matter how many arguments about background lore there are
