No other creator is as controversial as Anno, at least in the western side of /m/. Is the hatred guaranteed or is it just a serious case of sour grapes?
>>23956810>at least in the western side of /m/no one gives a single fuck what four trooned out fifty year olds think
>>23956810Sour grapes, he’s puts a lot of passion into his works and it shows, funny enough although I haven’t watched Eva yet I did just finish watching Nadia yesterday and I enjoyed it a lot yes I skipped most of the island/Africa episodes besides the important ones that actually matter
>>23956810>guaranteedIt is justified, he flipflopped on his own views and complained otaku didn't get a golddigger like he did (with the cash he complained he had to draw animation for).
>>23956820>I skipped most of the island/Africa episodesRetard.
>>23956810>No other creator is as controversial as Annonot true.>Is the hatred guaranteed or is it just a serious case of sour grapes?succes breeds jealousy.
>>23956827Wth all due respect I heard they had a really bad reputation & likely resulted in anno coming up with Eva as a result. I really only watched episode 23 until they made it to dry land, then saw the part where they met the duke THEN went to episode 28, watched 30 and 31, and finally resumed at 35, needless to say it appears I didn’t miss much that affected the plot and no contrarian opinion is gonna change that
>>23956841It's not about whether you missed something important or not, it's the zoomer mindset of mindlessly following some arbitrary watch order that only saved you, what, an hour and half? Stop misusing spoiler text like a tranny.
>>23956846Eh whatever, I never did this with any other show previously besides recaps. And cut it with the obvious buzzwords, it’s obvious you tend to argue a lot so I won’t engage with you any longer
>>23956810yes its justified but its also inflated by how retarded his fans behave
>>23956810controversial implies theres a divide and there isnt most people just agree he makes trashhes a hack and thats always gonna rub people the wrong way
>>23956868>>23956882Keep it to one reply next time.
>>23956834>not trueWho is more controversial than Anno?
>>23956868>>23956882>>23956916bot posts
>>23956923Correct on the first two.
I think it's a western phenomenon as OP pointed out, as I don't really see Anno/Eva hate in Japanese internet.I believe it's because westerners want to feel special by liking something most people don't and Evangelion, ironically, became too popular, so people who call themselves "mecha fans" prefer to wear the Gundam team flag in an attempt to feel special (Gundam might be massive in Asia, but not so much in the west despite the many attempts), with Evangelion being always mentioned in western anime discourse, so there's a sort of weird cognitive dissonance where western special snowflakes use Gundam and Tomino to pose as "real fans" and they have to bash Anno because it's "too normie".All of this is very ironic and again, a western thing.
>>23957065how much of this is just because we cant interact with the japanese side of the internet. are you confident there arent image boards and forums full of people scoffing in japanese because they saw evangelion branding on the side of a bullet train remarking how its "too popular" and "not real mecha" or some shit
>>23957069That doesn't happen anywhere.
>>23957070are you sure? where have you checked and how good is your japanese
>>23957069Historically japs have wanted him dead.>>23957070Why are you lying? It's well documented and famous that Anno has received tons of death threats from japs unhappy with his work.
>>23957071Companies don't buy advertisement on trains to say "our show is too popular and not mecha lol", do you have any actual arguments or is your entire hatred of eva and anno based on made up nonsense?
>>23957073uhh can you speak english? youre claiming that you know for certain no japanese person has ever seen pic related and been annoyed with evangelion for the same reason a western fan might?thats absolutely absurd you dont know that and as other anons have pointed out, anno received tons of backlash, violent backlash, from japanese viewers pissed off about how evangelion ended and the ending of EoE>your entire hatred of eva and anno are you 12 years old? why do you think everything is some weird purity test? im a fan of evangelion
hes the same retarded swarthoid who was shitting on americans in the other thread stop giving him attention
>>23956810>>23957065You see, you're retarded so you don't quite get the reality of the situation. You're actually a prime example of why the situation is like this (the core reason is your fanboy delusion). In the west animango is filled with clueless newfags. Evafags being the best example. They watch Eva and they claim it invented everything, no other mecha/sci-fi work is good before Eva, Eva is about the characters not the robots (unlike all that other mecha slop pre-Eva), etc. All annoying newfag statements that draw ire from actual non-retarded fans. Thus the endless flame wars. In Japan it's understood that Anno is the guy who constantly pays homage to older works. Maybe the average Japanese fan hasn't seen Space: 1999, Mazinger or Ideon but they are aware that Anno is coming from that arena of fandom with his works. He doesn't get credited with inventing x, y or z. Instead he's just liked for the actual quality of his works. Thus there really isn't any fandom friction.In the west it's the opposite. Annofags constantly argue with more knowledgeable people that no Eva totally didn't copy x, y or z from Devilman. They will argue thru sheer ignorance against Anno lifting from older works until they are blue in the face. Because to admit otherwise would force them to temper their own perceptions of the work. You don't really get that in Japan because it's accepted fact that's what Anno does. He's even come out in basically every interview and said exactly where he got his ideas. But for some reason the Gainaxfags of the west have some mentally ill issue with accepting that established fact. Said fags also have a persecution complex like in the two posts I am quoting. Thus the current situation. Also he is 100% Japanese Quentin Tarantino. Like they are literally the same person. Tarantino also has a similarly annoying fanbase in the west, it's a western fandom mentality thing for sure.
>>23957089You're aware that the rombus figure comes from 2001 A Space Odyssey right?You're aware that both Ideon's IDE and Eva's HIP are both recycled from Childhood's End, right?If Anno "ripped off", then so did everyone else after the 50s scifi golden age
>>23957072>Anno has received tons of death threats from japs unhappy with his work.This is a common misconception/misinformation.The "death threats" were most likely fron a very small minority of weirdos, but the single-frame fan letters that get flashed during a few seconds in EoE are like 90% positive fan letters and 10% of the "i'll kill you!" unhinged ones.Also, I don't think these people ever give any actual reasons for those letters, the speculation was that it was because of the 2 final TV episodes, or the fact D&R ended on a cliffhanger, or maybe they're from before the show ended, but afaik there wasn't any statement other than "i'll kill you!" And vandalizing the Gainax shop with grafitto writting things like "rei sex". Most likely unhinged mentally ill otaku with esoteric agendas only they know, or I dunno... rival companies? Anyway, yeah, the actual substance of those "death threats" evidence is very shallow.
>>23957091See? Here we go. Case in point.
>>23957091missing the point entirely I see
>>23957069>how much of this is just because we cant interact with the japanese side of the internetNot sure about you but I've been using 2ch and 2chan since ~2002, and nowadays lots of Japan also uses Twittee, which I also browse (Japanese internet is very different from Western internet, in general not just anime).I really don't see Anno hate, it's definitely not common at least, as it is in the west.Maybe this has to do with Japanese being overall more polite, so maybe, people with negative thoughts on something refrain from posting about it, while westerners not only like giving out their negative thoughts, but one person might do it constantly and not just ocassionally. So maybe it's because of that, but in Japanese internet, when people talk Evangelion I never see negative responses, I also almost never see overly sexual remarks either.Whereas in western internet, mention Evangelion and 2 things are for sure: people who will come to inform everyone else about how Evangelion is actually bad because it took inspiratons from older works (and variations of this), to horny guys making gooner comments on the girls.The funny thing is, while the westerners are loud about this, they never really do anything, while Japan, with not a lot of negativity or horniness online, are the ones that later do unhinged shit IRL (like the aforementioned Gainax Shop vandalization, though that was a unique occurrence) and also produce the most hentai of the eva girls (but I guess they're goof segregating their gooner side from their formal online presence)
>>23957098>>23957101You were saying that Anno fans deny the Devilman etc influence. I'm not denying it, simply adding another layer of the influence/ripoff argument.
>>23957096>were most likely fron a very small minority of weirdosimplying what? everyone in the west is constantly decrying anno? that you arent arguing with a small group of weirdos right now? sounds like the japs and us are in the same boat
>>23957103>Whereas in western internet, mention Evangelion and 2 things are for sure: people who will come to inform everyone else about how Evangelion is actually bad because it took inspiratons from older works (and variations of this)You're delusional and have a persecution complex.
>>23957106The weirdos that sent the death threats had an unknown agenda, we don't know if they wanted Anno death because "you ruined the mecha genre with your Tarantino shit!" As you guys are saying, or if it was more of a "I wanted my waifu to win!" kind of otaku shit (most likely)
>>23957110>stop noticing patterns!Also I don't even consider myself "persecuted" lol, I like most of Anno's works and I also like Tomino, Nagai and many others. I'm simply giving my thoughts on my own observations of Jaoanese and Western internet. I'm nit here to defend Anno per se.
>>23957065>>23957091>>23957096>>23957103>>23957112>>23957113You should stop posting.
>>23957103>The funny thing is, while the westerners are loud about this, they never really do anything, while Japan, with not a lot of negativity or horniness online, are the ones that later do unhinged shit IRLI have noticed this about them before>>23957104my apologies>>23957112actually I never said that I just asked if it could be a language barrier thing that influences how we perceive evangelion criticism from the japanese viewing audience, and that 30 some years after the shows release someone somewhere in Japan would feel like the shows overrated and fans dont know where anno drew his inspiration from.
>>23957104of course theres no problem with that, if sci fi especially didnt copy and learn from itself the genre would die, theres only so many times someone can reinvent the laser sword etc the problem is with the anno that exists in these zealous fans headsas the other anon pointed out the japanese audience is probably much more familiar with where he drew his inspirations and so they arent constantly arguing with ignorant people who then go and claim theyre being persecuted because no ones smart enough to understand annos genius
>>23957114So far nobody else posted their thoughts on Japan vs Western internet other than me.You are fixated on hating Anno or his fans. That's fine, not my problem. My interest stems more from the fact Anno hate (or more specifically Eva hate) is way more common in western internet.For example, how many times have you read that "eva sucks because it tried to be deep, and in fact, it's not! did you see the creator saying they used religious imagery because it looked cool?? did you see it???" This kind of rethoric you never read in Japanese, while in western internet is common, can you deny it?
>>23957115It's all good anon.Definitely not a language barrier thing. Even if my Japanese is not perfect, I can tell positive from negative comments and the overall content of messages.>>23957116I see it the other way around, the anti-anno/eva people often act as the persecuted victims who got their hobby "invaded" by these ignorant people that don't know about Gundam, Devilman and Ultraman.
>>23957117>eva sucks because it tried to be deep, and in fact, it's not!If we are talking about the subjective experience of japanese vs western fans and why they have the complaints they do, or no complaints at all, then you can not ignore the fact a lot of western anime fans do make claims like that, and for people who get further into sci-fi and mecha, they will begin to feel like most eva fans are ignorant
>>23957121Many of the anti-anno crowd don't even care about the things they seemingly defend, same with the anti-oshii, anti-miyazaki, anti-tomino, anti-matsumoto, etc... Western crowds just find something to hate on and dedicate endless hours to hate on it and the internet makes copying arguments really easy and memetic.
>>23957127>a lot of western anime fans do make claims like thatDoes this happens at all anymore outside of youtube?
>>23957121>the anti-anno/eva people often act as the persecuted victims who got their hobby "invaded" by these ignorant people that don't know about Gundamvery possibly could be because of how relatively niche the genre is in the west. they dont realize how big of a tent it is in Japan and even though mecha isnt getting tons and tons of releases its not like there can only be one franchise that "wins" and the others will be forgotten forever >>23957130no idea I dont watch people talk about evangelion on youtube I just know what friends of friends have said over the years
>>23957121Yeah then those same dumb fucks defend gcucks so its more then deserved
>>23957127Eva just reached more people, more than Gundam in the west for sure.But that's a regional phenomenon, and I don't think Anno or Evangelion are objectively bad just because Eva happens to be more known than Gundam or Devilman in the west.Ultimately, this is my real thought on what I think happens: japanese fans are busy living their hobby, they are busy building gunpla and attending IRL events, maybe not too many time to spend arguing online, and, Japanese overall are more polite and less nevative in public (this includes the internet), so there's less hateposting, this is in general.2ch (and other anonymous boards) you see trolls of course, but they also are different than western trolls.Right now I don't remember any specific troll meme word to classify Eva or Anno fans, there probably is though, but whatever it is you just don't read it nearly as often as you read "evafag", again it's mostly an idosyncracy thing imo
>>23957137are the japanese as combative when it comes to media as western fans seem to be. think about the console wars or cod vs halo or sonic vs Mario coke and pepsi you know that kind of thing, im sure you can think of more examples toodo japanese fans pit similar stuff head to head wanting to see one win and the other be killed off in the same way western fans seem to
>>23957147No, they don't.There is some mild console warring (like there definitely is a meme word for ssony fans, "Gokiburi", iirc there was also another for Nintendo fans) but it's way, way less frequent, it's not the constant console wars you see in western internet with guys taking it as full time jobs.
>>23957148right so I imagine that could be part of this too
>>23957135Give Anno and Gainax some credit at least their fan fiction shit was fun or vibey.
>>23957121>who got their hobby "invaded" by these ignorant people that don't know about Gundam, Devilman and Ultraman.I see it as no different than an oldschool comic book fan that gets upset about some normalfag chump who only watched MCU on Disney+ and wasn't even in theaters when the MCU started act like they know the genre.It is completely justified to dislike those people. I'll even throw in the "mecha sucks but TTGL is good" anime fags in that bag, who never actually even tried watching any other mecha shows.There's no reason anyone should have to bow down and put up with ignorant fuckasses who refuse to acknowledge that Good Thing A is actually a homage to Old Thing A because they've spent countless hours online saying that Good Thing A is completely original despite the creator himself pointing out it's a homage, because they think that makes the work any less important.
>>23957065>westernersMore like 4chan users, most people outside of here don't behave like this.
>>23957161>that Good Thing A is completely original despite the creator himself pointing out it's a homage, because they think that makes the work any less important.Do Eva fans really go around saying "eva is 100% original"? I see more Eva haters remarking how "anno ripped off X" more than anything else
>>23957167I have met them, cant say how common it is but amongst normie "anime fans" I know it happens sometimes
>>23957161You say this but nobody here denies any mecha show of having influence/being homages, yet you have dozens of retards going "X SUCKS BECAUSE IT RIPPED OFF Y AND IT'S NOT ORIGINAL AND IT'S NOT DEEP IT'S JUST Z WITH A COAT OF PAINT".
>>23956810The west can't move on from evangelion, and probably never will, the new gundam is being compared to eva just because the robot looks a bit edgy and is fused with an alien. The same crowd that claim evangelion is a ripoff is the first one to compare other things to evangelion.
>>23957185>projection
>>23957209Japan Is also calling Xarx Eva Gundam thoughbeit. I guess the entire world can't move on from Evangelion, even after Anno made his extensive 4 part film remake with anniversary content like bonus episodes and constant merch sales about how Eva fans should move on (lol)
>>23957233is it just the alien arm thing? the evangelion doesnt even get an alien arm technically
>>23957236Either the alien arm or the sleek non-humanoid aliens. I expected a few more comparisons to Fafner or Muv luv but most of the translated nip comments I've seen usually either go with the Eva comparison or bring up projects the various XARX staff already worked on like Ultraman, God Eater and SAC
>>23957233Japan is more focused on the cool as fuck cape.
why do we give a fuck about Japan?
>we
>>23957282in theory if the japs like it they will make more of it
>>23957089To be honest I don't even get why a big part of Evangelion's fandom in the West (fortunately it's not all of them) insist so much upon that ridiculous notion that Anno came up with everything. What made Gainax so fucking great back then was in fact how full of homages it was. How everything they did was a love letter to everything they grew up with. I loved Otaku no Video's end since the first time I watched it, and when I watched Saraba Yamato that made me love the end of Otaku no Video even more.Anno (and old school Gainax in general) is great because he takes elements that existed, gives them his own spin and uses them in a different way. What he does isn't empty homages, but a way to incorporate those moments that defined his growth as an otaku into his own narrative.Also the first guy on Earth that would completely reject how those ignorants who make those claims disrespect the old material is... Anno himself! He's said many times that he could spend hours talking about Yamato. He loves and appreciates those earlier show better than almost no one, and instead of trying to feel special many of his Western fans would do better to follow his example: those old shows are fascinating and ought to be revered. Funnily enough they claim to uphold Anno to the highest standards, but then go and do the opposite of what Anno does.
>>23957293>Evangelion's fandom in the West (fortunately it's not all of them) insist so much upon that ridiculous notion that Anno came up with everything.Thos goes both ways, anti-Eva guys also blame Anno for everything Gainax-related.
>>23957315>anti-Eva guys also blame Anno for everything Gainax-related.what aside from evangelion from gainax do people commonly shit on?
>>23957293>a big part of Evangelion's fandom in the West (fortunately it's not all of them) insist so much upon that ridiculous notion that Anno came up with everythingIs this even a thing? Where?
>>23957317Are you new around here?
>>23957320enlighten me, I cant think of a single time ive seen another gainax project have the same kind of visceral reaction as evangelion
>>23957324Gurren Lagann Also I rember people thinking Anno was involved in the tax evasion controversy, despite Anno not being part of Gainax anymore. But it just fits their image of Anno being this miserable evil guy who is here to ruin "their" hobby
>>23957324I mean you posted in this very thread about how much of a hack he is and everything he touches is trash or something along those lines.
>>23957327okay fair enough with TTGL >>23957331no im the evangelion fan guy, i also enjoy TTGL if that matters
>>23957117You are completely AND I MEAN COMPLETELY full of shit. You are lying out of your ass. Here is a examplehttps://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1042878990>えーと、確かに宗教・哲学関係からの引用が多いんですがだから奥が深いって訳じゃないんです。それについて庵野監督本人が「衒学的(げんがくてき)」なアニメだと言ってます。衒学的というのは「知識や教養をひけらかす事」とか「知ったかぶり」といった感じの意味です。>Well, it’s true that there are a lot of references to religion and philosophy, but that doesn't necessarily mean the show has profound depth. Director Anno himself has described the anime as "pedantic.""Pedantic" in this context refers to showing off one's knowledge or culture, or acting like a know-it-all.>ロボットアニメに神秘性の味付けをしてハッタリをきかせるために要するに「かっこつけ」のために宗教・哲学関係から用語の引用したら多くの視聴者がその部分がエヴァのキモだと勘違いして食いついて宗教・哲学的観点から読み解こうとしてしまい、ヘンテコな俺解釈がネット上にあふれる事になってしまったんです。引用されている「三位一体説」もトンデモ解釈の一つですね。>They borrowed terms from religion and philosophy—essentially just to add a mystical flair and make the robot anime look cool—but many viewers mistakenly latched onto those elements, thinking they were the core of *Evangelion*. They tried to decipher the show through religious and philosophical lenses, resulting in the internet being flooded with bizarre, personal interpretations. The "Doctrine of the Trinity" is a prime example of this kind of outlandish interpretation.Now stop lying on the internet. You should have stopped posting when I told you so, bitch.
>>23957338>resulting in the internet being flooded with bizarre, personal interpretationsNiggas hating on people having fun discussing a show they liked.
>>23957338lol I love how you are so invested and got all personal.That's fair, you found an example of Japanese people using the rethoric of Eva not being deep because of Anno saying the religious stuff was just there to look cool. Fair enough, however:This is a Yahoo QA post and they are answering directly to someome who asked if Evangelion is deep because of religious themes.Different from western internet where random people WILL storm into a discussion or thread to let the people know that Eva is shit and that Anno is a hack and bla bla bla.Try to find at least a bunch of examples of casual Eva discussion getting interrupted by haters of Anno, and then I'll concede you the e-win.
>>23957358lol I love how you're trying to cope after getting casually caught lying by a quick google search of "エヴァンゲリオン キリスト教". Stop posting. You are a net negative to this discussion.
>>23957350a lot of them make shit up in their head based on what they wish the show was and not what it actually was
>>23957360My claim is that western internet and Japanese internet are remarkably different, not just with Evangelion.You're telling me to "look for" specific kind of discussion, also note how nobody in those posts from Yahoo QA said Eva is shit or that it ruined mecha and is only complaining about people having personal theories as the only form of critique.In contrast, you will find westerners storming into random Evangelion discussion to remind everyone how Eva sucks because the religious imagery is there to look cool and that Anno ripped off Devilman.There are various key behavioral differences, even if you can find Japanese people refering to the Anno quote, they are still not saying the series suck or that Anno is a hack.
>>23957367Ask 2 Eva fans the same question and get 3 answers
>>23957368I'm not reading your newest cope. You have been proven a liar and your entire argument (a lie) has fallen apart. The fact that you're posting now shows how pathetic you are and how much you're seething. Get some integrity, loser.
>>23957373I'm not even taking it personal and you can't make me stop posting anon lmaoAnyway, my claim goes beyond just anime, I'm saying westerners and Japanese people, in general, behave very different. Is all.I'm 100% sure there are Anno haters in Japan, just I don't see them as active as the western ones. Not even close.
>>23957375Stop posting, liar.
>>23957266They seem to like this pose
>>23957380You can't prove me that Japanese internet has constant anti-Eva/Anno rethoric. The Yahoo link you posted was only answering to a specific question and nobody there is saying that Evangelion is bad.
>>23957384You need to seek truth. Your sophistry won't hold up. Stop posting.
>>23957381love the kampfer but I think it looks better with a skinnier mech
>>23957386Truth is that Japanese are more polite than westerners and spend less time hateposting.
>>23957391do they have as much fun tho
>>23957391Follow their example. Stop posting.
>>23957367I don't think you understood the post you are replying to.
>>23957396I said what I said
>>23957395Your narrative was hanging from the last two hairs in your scalp and now that you are malding it has completely fallen apart.
>>23957398You lied. You got caught and disproven. Now you're making seethe post after seethe post. This is your life. Help yourself by stop posting.
>>23957398did all this start just because I asked if there was some language bias?
>>23957395I'm not hateposting though. My only argument ITT is that this anti-Anno sentiment is way more common, by a large margin, in west Internet.That's all.You never proved me wrong.
>>23957405You are a sad individual who should stop posting. This is why evafags are hated.
>>23957419I'm not even here to defend Anno or Evangelion, I'm only talking about different behavioral attitudes between westerners and japanese online, which is related to what OP asked.
>>23956810>Is the hatred guaranteedI don't know what this means.
>>23957423Reevaluate your own behavior, anon. Stop posting.
>>23957435Yeah I'm not the one here angry calling people names, my behavior is fine>stop posting stop postingYou're spamming at this point
>>23957446Poor little liar so desperate to get the last word long after being disproven. Go on, keep trying.
>>23957446It's just as spammy and useless as the other guy's. Perpetuating this back and forth by repeatedly going "nuh-uh!" isn't any better regardless of if you're right or not.
>>23957470It's a shame too because he also seems interested on Japanese internet (or at least I assume so, if he went and brought back a Yahoo AQ link), but instead of having an actual discussion like gentlemen he prefers to get angry and tell me to stop posting.The thread IS still about the differences between west vs Japan internet, so I'm not spamming if I'm not calling names and keep on-topic.
>>23957484I don't know why I assumed you had at least a minimum of self-awareness.
>>23957484You have nothing to contribute, your lie was already exposed and you keep insisting that the west is full of "anno hate" when in fact it's annoying liars like you who force others to constant prove your lies wrong or see them forever parroted by gullible newfags. The fact is that gainaxfags are extremely annoying and keep pushing bullshit as truth (as you've shown).
>>23957490Bro you are just proving OP's point.
>>23957490>the west is full of "anno hate"But aren't you a prime example of this, anon?What interest do you have here? To silence people who notice that there's an evident amount of anti-Anno/Gainax/Eva posting compared to Japanese internet? Because you can't silence anyone, and you're proving OP right.>liesYou keep playing this card, and I already said it's fair that you found 1 example of Japanese people talking anout Anno saying the religious themes are cool, however, nobody in the link you provided was insulting Evangelion, Anno or Gainax, and the only critique it had was thar focusing on the religious themes make people have head canon (something that isn't even exclusive to Evangelion or Anno fans, look at Gundam and all the headcanon about Newtype powers, as an example).Other than that, the people on that Yahoo QA link were not saying that Evangelion is bad, or that Anno is bad.I think you just feel vulnerable because this thread targets people like you, and you don't like to get reminded that your anti-Anno agenda is a western phenomenon.
How the fuck are there TWO simultaneous Evangelion bait threads on this board?
>>23957505>>23957508You keep trying to push this persecution narrative but it won't ever work and your lie was already exposed. The only flak gainax gets is pushback against annoying evafags and ttglfags pushing stupid lies and then playing victims like you're doing right now. Stop posting, you literally have nothing worthwhile to say.
>>23957518This thread is about Hideaki Anno. Eva-related, but not exclusive.Also why is it "bait"?
>>23957519>evafags, gainaxfags, annofags, ttglfagsDamn dude how many boogeymen live inside of that little head?Also you haven't exposed any lie, the Japanese internet is still largely free of Anno hate, while western internet has people like you. The more you post, the more you prove OP right.
>>23957519This is literally a Persecution Of The Masses.
>>23957522>>23957523You are just arguing for the sake of arguing after getting your stupid lie about "japanese internet" exposed. Nothing you say has any substance. The entire situation was already perfectly summed up in >>23957089 and all you're doing at this point is endlessly seething trying to "win" by getting the last word. You could have stopped posting but you're just full of spite so you'll keep going despite already having been soundly put down and having nothing to say on the subject. Pathetic.
>>23957540>You are just arguing for the sake of arguing after getting your stupid lie about "japanese internet" exposed.You just posted a link to a Yahoo QA page and nobody there was calling Evangelion or Anno bad, you just found an instance of a japanese person referring to the Anno school video, but that's a far cry from proving that Japanese internet also has obsessive Anno haters like western internet does.You other post was already trunced by the fact that nobody here is saying that Evangelion is 100% original. Neither is Ideon and neither is Urashiman.
>>23957540Is it physically possible to have this little self awareness?
>>23957318see the talks about new eva show and how anno isn't involved so it is not needed. average western mind thinks anno's 'depression' was the secret sauce of the show and is just not the same without it, when many psychological and philosophical aspects of the show were filled in by other staff too.
>>23957614You mean the yoko taro show? I haven't seen people say it's "not needed", what are you talking about?
Yes, there is generally more overt "animosity" and intense critique directed at Evangelion and Hideaki Anno on the western internet, though the nature of the criticism differs greatly between the two regions.Western InternetThe "Hate the Fan" Myth: A pervasive western internet narrative is that Anno made The End of Evangelion or certain Rebuild films as a deliberate "middle finger" to his audience. In western fan spaces, this is frequently discussed. Many users on Reddit point out that this stems from a misunderstanding; instead of hating his fans, Anno's writing often acts as a harsh critique of escapism and isolation.Translation & Cultural Friction: Anno has explicitly pushed back against altering Japanese animation to fit western cultural sensibilities. Some western fans critique the director for his steadfast devotion to Japanese cultural identity. As discussed in various Facebook and Reddit threads, western audiences—coming from more literal and linear media cultures—often misinterpret Anno's stylistic choices and demand more concrete, definitive answers than his surreal work provides.Japanese InternetCultural Acceptance: In Japan, Evangelion is a deeply woven part of mainstream pop culture and a national institution. It is treated with a level of historical reverence that precludes most toxic backlash.The Otaku Debate: When Japanese fans critique Anno, the discourse is usually rooted in the otaku (geek) subculture. For instance, upon the release of early Rebuild films, some Japanese critics expressed mixed opinions, feeling the story was disjointed or strayed too far from the original television tone. However, this critique is framed as an artistic or fan-based disagreement rather than the visceral, meta-level "animosity" occasionally found in western internet forums.
>>23957628Is this Gemini speaking?
>>23957630Yep I asked OPs question to AI and it said this.It's true that it's very common to come across the "anno made eoe to shit on his fans" argument every time people bring up Evangelion online and it's very midwitty.
>>23957545You keep trying to reinvent what you previously stated. Sorry but it will never, ever work. You are a liar and a sore loser. Really sad. Also >>23957570>copying the post that hurt you >>23957487kek I didn't make it so dial down your analpain>>23957631The only thing midwitty here is you not realizing AI will parrot back your question at you in affirmation even if the rest of it's pulled info doesn't really support your assertion and even contradicts you like in the very slop paragraph you posted. Zoomers are actually this braindead.
>>23957644Yeah apparently it is physically possible.
>>23957644>You keep trying to reinvent what you previously statedYou fixated on the Anno at school part, but again, none of these people in the Yahoo QA page are saying Anno bad or Eva bad.This thread is about western internet beung more Anno bad than Japan internet. You haven't been able to disprove that.
>>23957666>You fixated on the Anno at school partI quite honestly don't even know what you're referring to. Whoops there goes your entire argument (again). >This thread is about western internet beung more Anno bad than Japan internet. You haven't been able to disprove that.Burden of proof is on you, this is basic logic. Your IQ must be this high to converse with other humans. The only real backlash on the internet is against evafags who make ridiculous claims. Protip: stop posting.
>>23957673>The only real backlash on the internet is against evafags who make ridiculous claims.Are the evafags in the room right now?I'm simply saying, Japanese internet doesn't have people constantly saying an equivalent of "evafag". I dare you to search "evafag" on the /m/ archive and see how many results you get per day alone.
>>23957689>エヴァのファンは非常に迷惑で、エヴァが史上最高で最も独創的なメカアニメであり、それ以降に作られたものはすべてそのパクリであるという誤った物語を押し付けています。その欠点を認めようとせず、露出過多です。>Eva fans are incredibly annoying; they push a false narrative that Eva is the greatest and most original mecha anime of all time and that everything made since is just a rip-off. They refuse to acknowledge its flaws, and the series suffers from overexposure.>旧劇以降は見てる側をディスってくる。これはエヴァオタとの確執で、心を病んでアニメファン自体を庵野が疎んじてしまったせい。アニメそのものに私情を巻き込んでほしくなかったというのが正直な私の感想。>From the "Old Theatrical Version" onwards, he started disparaging the audience. This stems from his feud with *Eva* otaku; he became disillusioned with anime fans in general after suffering a mental breakdown. Honestly, I wish he hadn't let his personal grievances bleed into the anime itself.>良くも悪くも心が子供(オタク)のままだ。私たちのためにも、本人のためにも庵野は子供が生まれて「子供に見せたいアニメを作る」と思うまでアニメは作らないほうがいいと思う。>But for better or worse, his heart remains that of a child (an otaku). For our sake and his own, I think Anno shouldn't make any more anime until he has a child of his own and decides he wants to create something he can show to them.Now change your argument again.
>>23957620stop milking eva!!! is the general opinion.
>>23957716I think you just proved that anon right again, they still aren't saying Eva bad Anno is a hack.
>>23957783It's never going to work. Stop posting.
>>23957716but can you demonstrate that japanese evangelion fans are as retarded as western ones?thats primarily what generates distain for anno
>>23957716What the fuck is that first quote?? It's not real japanese, and results bring back a Reddit post where westerners are posting westerns memes but translated to japanese? Someone posted then "to understand Eva you have to be very high IQ" meme but in (badly translated) japanese lolDo redditors shitpost in Japanese?https://www.reddit.com/r/evangelion/comments/74yv66/why_do_people_hate_eva/?tl=ja
>>23958061The original post is in english and there's a built-in translation option enabled (see the end of your url)The anon you're replying to is a comolete idiot
>he changed his argument againIt won't work. Stop posting.>過激派のエヴァオタクが面倒臭いです>エヴァヲタ(エヴァンゲリオンヲタク)は何故キモいのでしょうか?>エヴァを見に来たんですが、隣の席のオタクが連れと喋ってるのかと思ったら全部独り言だった事に気付いて「ああ、俺は"エヴァ"を見に来たんだ…」と背筋が伸びるような思いです
>>23956812/thread/
>>23956810People are just mad because Anno created a mech show that isn't just about the mechs, it's about the characters
>>23958188Nobody changed any argument, you posted a quote from fucking Reddit of westerners, auto-translated to japanese. WTF dude
>>23958233It's not going to work, buddy. I know you'll just keep repeating that forever now, but it's not going to work.
>>23958237Dude the Reddit link was posted here:>>23958061You actually posted esterner quotes auto-translated to japanese.There's no coming back from that.Also you still can't post examples of Japanese people storming into normal Eva discussion to shit on Anno, you're posting Yahoo QA links that reply to specific questions (and nome of them says Eva bad or Anno hack)
>>23958227>peopleDo we really count them as such?
>>23958227
>>23958240He probably used chatgpt lol.
>>23958240It's not going to work. You've changed your argument so many times now and I've posted so many quotes disproving you. Now you have this stupid little gotcha moment and you're going to ignore absolutely everything else and just spam it over and over. But it's not going to work. You lost many hours ago and you've been seething for a long, long time. Stop posting.
>>23958260It's a common take. >giant robots are stupid, but...
>>23958300>ignore absolutely everything elseBut I'm not, I just don't see the "Eva bad" or "anno hack" in those Yahoo QA posts.You only have to find examples of regular Eva discussion interrupted by Anno haters, not Yahoo QA threads that just have polite discussion about Eva.Show me the japanese equivalent of someone like you, a japanese guy constantly using words like "evafags" or "gainaxfags".Also I haven't changed any argument, the argument of this thread is still the same one from OP: is western internet more anti-Anno than japanese internet? The answer is yes.
the original claim was that no japanese person has ever disliked evangelion for the same reason a western fan mightthat statement was obviously absurdly retarded theres no need to fight for two days over just how the show is perceived, and who gives a fuck if the japs like something anyway you think natto and fish eyeballs are delicious just case the japs do?
>>23958361>the original claim was that no japanese person has ever disliked evangelion for the same reason a western fan mightThis was never a claim, the thread is about the internet groups (west vs east), not about individual subjective likes and dislikes.
>>23958361Stop trying to police the thread retard.
>>23958377>This was never a claim>"That doesn't happen anywhere."well maybe the guy was just ESL im not sure but that seems to have been the claim
>>23958383uh oh hes upset better watch out
>>23958345>But I'm notYou are. And it's never going to work. You've been proven wrong half a dozen times now and you keep backpeddling. Stop posting.
>>23958426Dude with all due respect you posted an auto translation of a Reddit post and you still haven't posted true examples of japanese internet having Anno hate, you only posted threads with opinions that are fairly level headed and don't say things like "eva is shit" or "anno is a hack"There is no backpedal here, the thread has always been about if western internet is more prone to be anti-Anno and it evidently is, you are the very example of that.
>>23958443Dude with all due respect you're doing exactly what I said you are and it won't ever work. You are the very example of the delusional evafag in >>23957089
I'm convinced 75% of the posters ITT are either unemployed or have inherited huge wealth from their family and aren't working. How else would you waste so much precious free time arguing about all this shit instead of watching mecha?
>>23958444>won't ever workRepeating mantras like this or "stop posting" is what doesn't work lolThat other post by you where you say all "evafags" are saying Eva is 100% original? Ok show me a single post here saying that Eva is 100% original and we close the thread. I won't reply I swear! :)Just acknowledge the fact japanese internet doesn't have obsessed guys that use "evafag" or "annofag" every single time Evangelion is brought up.
>>23958445americans dedicate a lot of time saying stupid shit online
>>23958451>That other post by you where you say all "evafags" are saying Eva is 100% original?Another lie by (You). And another mutated argument that is purely ridiculous in content. It won't ever work. You've been disproven many times already and you yourself have no actual argument or examples, absolutey zero substance in every single one of your posts. You've been absolutely reamed. So you can stop now.
>>23958485Here's what (You) said:>the west it's the opposite. Annofags constantly argue with more knowledgeable people that no Eva totally didn't copy x, y or z from Devilman.Right off, you start by using the antagonistic "annofag" which you jave uet to post an example from Japanese internet. Then you claim these "Annofags" say Anno wasn't influenced by Devilman. Which nobody here has claimed, quite the contrary.You are basically a caricature of what OP talks about.P.S: you posted a westerner shitpost from Reddit of all places, bot-translated into Japanese and tried to pass it as evidence of Japanese internet. You should be castrated.
>>23958526You changed your argument againYou behave like this is twitter and get triggered by the common term [subject]fagAll of your other claims (lies) have been disprovenYou keep trying, you keep seethingIt won't ever work
>>23958541>All of your other claimsI only have 1 claim: western internet is definitely more antagonistic on Evangelion and Anno than Japanese interview.2 normal discussions from Yahoo QA and 1 bot-translated Reddit shitpost from a westerner is making your argument look beyond dead.Also nah I'm not triggered by the "-fag", fag, I'm just saying, there's the japanese equivalent?
>>23958553I think you are replying to a bot man.
>>23958553>I only have 1 claimYou've made multiple claims and keep modifying them. You're moving the goalpost constantly.>2 normal discussions from Yahoo QAI've posted a lot more quotes than that. Another lie by you.>Also nah I'm not triggered You have repeatedly expressed anger over my usage of the term claiming it's antagonistic. You obviously don't belond here. I've posted lots of examples to disprove your claims, you've posted exactly nothing. You don't have an argument, you only have your seethe to keep trying to win the last word. It's a typical evafag pattern along with the constant lying claims and goalpost moving. >>23958580Don't reply to yourself. In fact, stop posting.
>>23956812Then stop replying so we don't have to read your opinion
>>23958994>You've made multiple claims and keep modifying them.I haven't modified anything, claim is still the same and it's also in line with the premise of OP: the Anti-Anno/Anti-Eva rethoric is a western intenet phenomenon, and it's true and you are part of the example. More you post, more you prove this. This is why I won't stop replying.You posted 1 bot-translated Reddit post by a westerner, and the rest are Yahoo QA posts, you haven't really posted any example of japanese people shitting on anno calling him a hack or whatever as it is common by western people.Also you STILL haven't pointed out any instance of anyone ITT claiming Anno wasn't influenced by Devilman (as you claimed your annofag boogeymen do)So basically:You haven't posted examples of Japanese calling Anno a hackYou haven't posted examples of anyone here saying Anno wasn't influenced by Devilman (as you claimed)
