>Recoa: char won't give me his dick, I will switch sides>Quess: amuro win't give me his dick, I will switch sides>Newtype women: All mentally instable
>>23975147Reccoa is a foil to Emma's character, somebody who defected from Titans and wanted to seen as a soldier first rather than a woman. Reccoa also did get Char's dick but she wanted emotional connection and care after she literally took a bullet for him.Quess never switched sides. She spends all of the film criticising the Federation and airing her grievances about her father's work and personal life. She has interest in Amuro due to his newtype background and desires a spiritual connection, partly due to her need for father figure. However, she concludes that he is just like any other adult and is instead drawn to Char's ideology as she connects the concept of lack of Newtype understanding to the cause of fighting within her family. Upon learning of Amuro's solution to just be empty naive platitudes like 'wait around for things to change' and 'collective human wisdom', she comes to Char's aide and gets taken away.Mirai, Lalah, Mouar, Lila, Shakti are newtypes and quite sane. Haman is evil but not in a unpredictable crazy way. Most of the unstable ones are cyber newtypes which is by design as they get bombarded with traumatic imagery, their memories are cleared and are just exploited for military. Tomino just doesn't coddle female characters like the rest and allows them to be imperfect humans. Audiences have lower tolerance and narrow minded framework for what they accept in female characters. Look at the crazy shit he puts the male characters through but you don't see anybody say that he hates men.
Tomino has experience with women irl
It's called being realistic.
>>23975147Tomino writes everyone crazy. Why is it that any time a woman or minority acts just as bad as anyone else it suddenly means the writer has an issue.
>>23975147Tomino was seething against the feminist movement in 1980s Japan. "Career woman" is an archetype embodied the movement, and Tomino barely let any women fit that archetype have peaceful outcome.
>>23975258Yeah well look at Japan and the rest of the developed world now. Tell me he was wrong. TELL ME.
>>23975147So just realistic women
I thought the whole Tomino hating women thing was a giant meme and not something people took seriously, like him having a mommy fetish or being Japan's most notorious serial killer.
>>23975292As jokes become better known outside of the circles that spawned them, someone will eventually take it seriously. Sometimes this will end up self-reinforcing and the original context is almost entirely lost.
>>23975278Idc, I simply mean to say Tomino had his certain opinions against whatever contemporary social phenomenon happening back then, so he projected that into fictional story. It wasn't even something that intellectually complicated
>>23975210Writing all of your women like police officers is a special kind of fetish.
>>23975258I think it's about the effect of millitary on family life. Kamille's parents work for Federation (who have forcibly turned his home colony into a millitary base) while he is active in underground press, the typical conservative parents vs liberal kid dynamic. Tomino tends to soapbox in his novels but I don't think we should take Kamille's rant as indicative of his own beliefs. Characters like Emma and later Marbet indicates that he is not entirely against career women or their ability to be mother.
>>23975292The serial killer bit is real though. And his victims keep rising.
>>23975391The narrator (Tomino) stated that little Bitchdan "knew", not "thought", as if whatever his opinion about working women is universal truth. Tomino's comment wasn't that uncommon, it's one of typical responses from men during 80s to the new wave of women being economically independent, that women being too independent and working too much aren't feminine, they can't be good wife mother yada yada>Characters like Emma and later Marbet indicates that he is not entirely against career women or their ability to be motherI haven't watched Victory, but Tomino also said something in an interview not long after Zera was finished that he viewed Emma the same type of male validation seeking women like Reccoa
>>23975147By this logic he must REALLY fucking hate men since for every evil woman there's at least five male psychos
>>23975446Yes but americans are extremely emasculated and obsessed.
>>23975416It's still Kamille's POV.>he viewed Emma the same type of male validation seeking women like ReccoaDifference is Reccoa wants validation as a woman and Emma wants it as a soldier. That is why AEUG's motto, pic related, does not go over well with former.
>>23975147I want Char's dick
>>23975464And you're tone deaf
Hey, Tomino LOVES pussy.>Sayla Mass pubic hair in a keepsake in the novels.>The line about Nanai Miguel not wanting her pussy to look sad in CCA.
>>23975592Don't forget Cronicle memorizing the exact color of Katejina's psycho snatch
>>23975632If you can't memorize the RGB values of your crush' pussy, can you really say you love her?
>>23975398Don't say that too much, we don't want him to go international. Unless he already has and Tomino just flee over my house for saying that.
>>23975147I don't understand why he and Anno thought they were god's gift to women when they were younger. Most women they had met in their line of work infamously couldn't stand them and went different ways.
>>23975704>[tranny headcanon]
>>23975704that's not anno, you retard.
I really want Char's dick
>>23975737Not here, Haman-sama. Please. Have some dignity.
Nobody gives a shit about Quess or Reccoa. As a matter of fact, the most popular Tomino's girls are all quite well adjusted >Newtype women: All mentally instableOh, I see
>>23975813>the most popular Tomino's girls are all quite well adjustedOkay, but consider the following.
>>23975737Reccoa...
>>23975592>>Sayla Mass pubic hair in a keepsake in the novels.the whole thing in the novel is that it does not happen, they just discuss it.
>>23975292He doesn't outright hate women, but he is/was genuinely kind of misogynistic, which makes sense given he was born in the 40s. I remember him confessing that it took him a while to cope with the fact that he only had daughters and no sons and that he only started to understand women better when he made Turn A.
>>23975920Go back troony.
So what do you think is the reason of everyone but Maou and Rid not having civilian names? Since this isn't a battle royale it and they made 14 physical suits it doesn't really seem they'll drop like flies
>>23975813Why did you put the text in the wrong direction? It should be right to left.
>>23975147You'll have fun with Victory Gundam then.
>>23976032depends on the original text, yokogaki is left to right and tategaki is top to bottom, right to left.
>>23976148It's obviously not horizontal text given the format, retard not to mention you can see where white was put over the original vertical textfacepalm
>2026>typing facepalm out loud
I'm sure you've regained a bit of your dignity after it was pointed out how unobservantly dumb you are. I'm sure.
>>23976157unc website
>>23975147He understands women
I find Tomino in interviews extremely boring because all he does is say shallow inflammatory things. Actually he's also a bad writer.
>>23976220>posts mistranslation
>>23976239Fine you trans it yourself
>>23976234For some reason anime directors of the era have a real habit for being pointlessly inflammatory in a way you don't see often from other industries. Maybe it's just that specific clique of director. Always shitting on everything they've made, everything everyone else has made, lamenting how anime is dead (in like fucking 1985) and then delivering some incomprehensible take like LOTR is evil.
>>23976288Honestly that's just Tomino, Anno and Miyazaki.
>>23975922Tomino used to crossdress sometimes.
>>23976234You must find 4chan extremely boring.
>>23976310Only when you post.
>>23976288>Always shitting on everything they've made, everything everyone else has made, lamenting how anime is dead (in like fucking 1985) and then delivering some incomprehensible takeThis describes a decent proportion of artists of every field I've ever encountered. It's far from unique to anime directors.
>>23976311I barely do that, I find it boring too.
>>23976220>tfw Sirocco was an accurate self insert of Tomino himself
>>23975920I too believe all women my fellow anon. I tell my wife's son this all the time
>>23976234I don't know if I can judge his writing because I just haven't read/seen much of his stuff in general including Gundam stuff (watched 0079 recently and probably on the whole don't like it mostly due to plot stuff, even though I love certain individual things about it like the earlier episodes and art direction for example), but having looked at a few of his novels for 0079 I find it interesting how different they feel from how his anime writing's characterized by fans. I know he only wrote one episode of 0079 himself and so it's hard to tell how much influence he had on the others even though I know he did add certain lines to other writers' scripts, but I mean fans are always like>his writing's completely unlike any other anime writer>he doesn't tell you how to FEEL, man, it's super subtle and adult>etc.when if anything his novels actually seem to spell out exactly how you're meant to feel/take certain things. Like he goes into extreme detail about characters' sexuality and impressions of it, or about his thoughts on what Newtypes are around the time 0079 was a current show, or exactly how Lalah feels about Char and Amuro etc.I wonder if it's just the inherent difference between writing for a visual medium vs. a text-based medium, but it feels like his 0079 novels spell things out way more than the original show which tended to have more subtlety/ambiguity.
>>23976220>Reccoa is what you should expect from a female figureHe also said Reccoa is men's idealized image of women back then. Sleazy cunt
>>23976457I don't know the truth but I feel that Tomino's influence on any aspect of any Gundam series is extremely overstated by both himself and the media.
>>23976378You talk like an NPC from /pol/.
It's realistic as fuck though.Same with Misato's change of character in 3.0>Why does she act this way now?? She's being contradictory Exactly and that's the point
>>23976220>>23976280here's deacon's updated TL.――I've heard there was initially a plan to cut Reccoa from the story. Was that purely a matter of the cast being too large?TOMINO: That was the sole reason. At that stage, Emma had made the bigger impression on me, and I was probably thinking that one woman between Kamille and Quattro would do the job, that she alone could carry that space. But once it became clear just how deeply Reccoa was involved from the beginning, so cutting her was no longer an option. There was one more reason as well. It seems that among the "Zeta generation," there's a prevailing sense that Reccoa is the single most difficult character to understand. There's a persistent distaste attached to her, this feeling of, "I don't like women who change sides like that." There was even an impression that she served as a second pillar embodying the darker, more depressive qualities of Zeta as a work. At the time, I hadn't yet conceived of the current approach to portraying Kamille, so I went along with that interpretation. But after spending some time working on the structure for Part One, I started turning the question over again, "Why do people hate Reccoa so much?" And it gradually became apparent that the people who felt that way were, at their core, most likely anime otaku. (laughs) On the other hand, I was able to confirm that quite a few film-minded people actually considered Reccoa the more authentic depiction of a woman, that she was the only truly grounded human being in Zeta's entire cast, and that was precisely what made her compelling. So, and I realize this will come across as very harsh toward the fans, I arrived at the conclusion that anime fans who simply pine for the idealized fantasy girl type can't talk to a real woman to save their lives, and that's really all it comes down to. (laughs)
>>23976234cause you are a retard who only sees the same tidbits that get repeatedly posted.sizable portion of his quotes are him trolling, made up bullshit, mistranslation, some stupid burger misinterpreting his tone or sometimes the combination of these things. Tomino giving normal advice to readers in his magazine column is less interesting and clickbaity than him saying 'Makoto Shinkai sucks cause he writes like a virgin!
>>23976620>sizable portion of his quotes are him trolling, made up bullshit>clickbaityExcept that's exactly what I expressed succinctly, you illiterate fuck.
>>23976464>No you
>>23976625by made up bullshit I meant the things fans say without any truth like Tomino wanting Loran to originally be a girl, or how he kicked Fukui after watching Unicorn etc. He can occassionally give tongue in cheek responses but that's not all he has to say anytime he is interviewed.
>>23976632That has nothing to do with what I said. Don't reply to me again, dullard.
>>23976641dumbfuck you literally said>all he does is say shallow inflammatory things.
>>23976599>On the other hand, I was able to confirm that quite a few film-minded people actually considered Reccoa the more authentic depiction of a woman, that she was the only truly grounded human being in Zeta's entire cast, and that was precisely what made her compelling.makes more sense than calling her "the sole reasonable person in Zeta"thanks for that
>>23976461Sounds similar to how much people suck off Kojima for Metal Gear Solid when there's questions about how much of it he actually wrote himself
>>23976755You know you can read the novels he wrote right?
>>23975147
>>23975644When you hear a noise in the dark don't open th
>>23976834source?If I had to take a guess, he is talking about snow white.
>>23976762So?
>>23976885https://www.gundamunofficial.com/production/zambotdaitarn_chronicle.html
>>23976461>>23976755People say that for George Lucas or any other big name in this type of collaborative media too. I think people find it easier to attribute a big success to THIS MAN as opposed recognizing the team effort things like anime take. But you also see some people use THIS MAN as a hatesink too. Tomino at least is usually humble enough to give credit to his team for his successes.
>>23977619You can't compare Tomino to Lucas though. George Lucas is undoubtedly the major architect of his films in a way Tomino could never truthfully claim about Gundam. In fact Star Wars is a man's passion project homage to pulp sci-fi and Gundam is a company mandated toy commercial that Tomino was assigned to.
>>23977619While all of these projects are group endeavours it's undeniable that some big names are definitely more involved in the actual creative process than others.Tomino is clearly not one of those on average, he's too lax on things and likes to give youngsters room to do their own things even if it often ends up in creating some issues for him.Regardless, a director is still largely responsible for giving the greenlight to other people's decisions so in a way he has a greater degree of responsibility compared to the rest of the staff, even if some abuse this position to claim undeserved success.
>>23977977This is always a tricky one to nail down. Auteur theory essentially began as a white lie to make discussion of film work in the same fashion as other mediums but it's not entirely wrong either. A creative lead on a project may not be doing everything but they often get the most say in assembling the people to do things and shaping their output.A film director doesn't operate the camera, dress the set, work out precise blocking, implement lighting or perform the colour grade but all the same it's common for the one director working with multiple people in all those jobs to retain a similar aesthetic between projects.It doesn't mean they did it on their own, but it's also fair to at some point start referring to it as the director's visual style.
>>23975203>Haman is evil but not in a unpredictable crazy way.I still don't really see what her "plan" was, what conquering the Earth Sphere was all in service of for her. She says a whole lot of nothing in ZZ when pushed to give some sort of justification for WHY she's doing it all.All we get is in Zeta she says "people will be able to understand the return of the Zabis easily", which is not an actual reason to take over, and in ZZ she says "at least I'm better than Glemy" which is also not an actual reasonIt is at least implied that it's partially a desire to sweep away the corrupt Federation, but that still doesn't provide any vision of what exactly will come nextShe comes off as very evasive and almost shy because of how she avoids talking about what her endgame is. It almost seems like she's gone to war primarily because everyone in Axis fucking hates the Earth Federation and it's the only way she can unify them behind her (and even that doesn't work since Glemy has a large, well-armed rebellion)
>>23978029Haman is one of those characters that skirts by entirely on design and attitude. Dig any deeper and there's nothing there.
>>23977616>Ever since Reideen, I've constantly been getting requests to include more panty shots. In the end, I wondered whether that was the only thing Japanese people cared about, and I angrily said "In that case, why not show men's underpants? (3) Those are white pants too, right?" Then I flashed my underwear, and everyone went very quiet. (4) I was honestly pretty fed up, and I said "Don't you guys have any other hobbies?!"
>>23977636>>23977636>>23977977retarded burgers with their retarded habit of relating gundam with fag wars.The idea that Tomino has little creative input over his own directed entries is pure bullshit. You rarely see any japs say this, it's almost always westerners with Lucas comparison.
>>23976457>when if anything his novels actually seem to spell out exactly how you're meant to feel/take certain things. Like he goes into extreme detail about characters' sexuality and impressions of it, or about his thoughts on what Newtypes are around the time 0079 was a current show, or exactly how Lalah feels about Char and Amuro etc.As a director, his specific thing seems to be translating that into non-verbal cues. There are a remarkable lot of those in his cartoons.>>23976461The writing is collaborative and frequently, certain clusters of episodes bear the marks of specific writers inserting their own interpretation of the characters and their relations into the ongoing story.>>23977636We have seen what happened to Star Wars when he got no pushback, input or hard Nos from anybody else involved.Remember that Indiana Jones would've been a pedo.
>>23978051Is your image supposed to prove something?>>23978053Are you really repeating some RLM tier crap?The planning for Mobile Suit Gundam is very well known. It was very much a by committee work. Zeta Gundam is more of a Tomino controlled project and we all know how that turned out (hint: it's worse than MSG).
>>23978055Putting your shit taste aside, First Gundam was the literally instrumental in popularising the 'director' role. There wasn't much committee type production model before the anime boom, unless you count people huddling over tatami mats as committee. The show's plot outline is literally called Tomino Memo ffs.
>>23978061>First Gundam was the literally instrumental in popularising the 'director' role.No it fucking wasn't holy shit that is a dumb statement. Evafag tier delusion.
>>23978062learn anime history, retard.
>>23977992I mean, as I said it really depends on the person.Welles for instance did not physically operate the camera but he was still the one who decided angles and camera placement, being a former theatre actor he also often starred in his own movies, on the other hand somebody like Kubrick did operate the camera in some of his movies, both Welles and Kubrick (obsessively) edited their own movies but somebody like Spielberg didn't and entrusted the editing work to his staff, the degree of involvement in the creative process is not universal and some movie directors are incredibly more hands-on than others for better or worse.Of course, again, whether a director is personally responsible for some part of the work or not doesn't change the fact that he's ultimately the one who approves almost everything regarding production, so he's still largely responsible for whatever ends up in the records, which is also why we have some terms like "Director's Cut" to denote the degree of involvement the director has in the creation.Like most people Tomino's involvement varies depending on whatever work we're talking about, he wasn't very hands on in something like ZZ but he was much more involved into other stuff like 0079, we know this from a lot of interviews with both members of his staff and himself, Tomino is also one of those people who loves writing his own song lyrics for his anime, something you can't say for many other anime directors so again, you gotta look at each individual case rather than making blanket statements because the profession doesn't inherently limit agency, it's all up to individual creators and their own skills and decisions, somebody like Umetsu for instance is much more involved in the actual animation process than other directors down to actually doing the character designs himself while most other directors leave all of that to staff members, everyone is different and some directors can definitely be more involved than others.
>>23975147Art imitates life.
>>23978061Zeta IS worse than 0079, how much worse it is depends on who you ask, though.
>>23975353Your joke was so funny I can't breath
ok now can someone explain to me why women (and men) Brain Powerd are the way they are?
>>23978153Zeta is my favorite anime ever made. I love this shit so much. ;_;
>>23978175Women have stopped being mothersAnd men have let it happen
>>23978175Because the Yamato Man Male Spirit Damashii Banzai is no more, the Yamato Nadeshiko has naturally been forced to evolve into a type of brutal ogre in a female skin suit.
>>23978189
>>23978175Is not getting a christmas card really that big of a deal for Americans?
>>23978153Zeta's only big flaw is that it never properly lays out the big picture political aims of all its players.0079 TV has dogshit presentation to the point of actually harming the story being told (I do not just mean the animation budget, I mean shot composition, music, the works) and 0079 movies cut a few important things even if they do a good job overall >but Zeta isn't about the big picture political stuffYou have 50 episodes, you can dedicate one episode's worth of screentime and scriptwriting across the whole thing to tell us clearly what AEUG, the Titans, and Axis all actually want in a big picture sense without losing focus from the personal stories. I can think of a fair few subplots I would sacrifice to have that instead.
>>23978308>Zetajust pay attention.>0079 presentation it's fine, there are occasional oddballs here and there due to tight schedule and being a 70s retro scifi space opera but most of it still manages to land.
>>23978066Dezaki was already a lauded anime director in the early 70s you stupid fucking faggot.
>>23978389so were the likes of Sugii, Takahata etc. it's a moot point cause before Yamato came out anime itself wasn't popular (they didn't even call it anime, it was terebi manga or manga eiga).
Zeta is completely inferior to 0079. It's not even up for debate.
>>239784390079 doesn't have Haman in it you ignorant slut.
>>23978338>just pay attentionAll we really learn about what AEUG stand for is that>they want to reform the Earth Federation in some way that involves, at the bare minimum, severely curtailing the Titans>they have a terrible name that makes them sound like they existentially oppose the very same Earth Federation>they militarised after the 30 Bunch incident (very quickly, it would seem)>they are supported by Anaheim, though not unreservedly>Quattro says that humans should move into space, but it's unclear how widespread this view is in AEUG>their political leaning stops really mattering by the end of the show because so many of them dieNone of this really tells us why anyone would join up or what they stand for besides being "anti-Titan". They don't have a list of things that the EF needs to change. They don't have a plan for who should govern the colonies.
>>23978440Haman is a nothing character, even moreso in Zeta where she only briefly exists to set up the next series of conflicts.
>>23978445I hope you get checks from the government for being retarded because you've earned it.
>>23978448Relying on the government in such a way is pretty ironic for someone defending Zeta. But of course such things would be lost on you.
>>23978451You keep riding that short bus, Champ.
>>23975292Tomino 100 % has a mommy fetish. Miyazaki too.
>>23978435Retard.
>>23976599>deaconI start to doubt this guy's translation. One time I viewed original text of an interview he translated, Tomino used a rather simple, straightforward vocabulary, but the translation just made it autistically more abstract and awkward to understand than the original
>>23975147>ReccoaTomino has the distinction of making it so that all men and women who act emotionally get the back of the hand>QuessShe was already a fuckin eco hippy traffic sitter at the start of the movie so her being foreshadowed as easy to radicalize was obvious and logical
>>23975147>Newtype women: All mentally instableThis isn't necessarily true>Cyber newtypesIs a given>Everyone elseThe heightened empathy that all newtypes share in times of hardship is less people being unstable and more them being emotionally incontinent
>>23978175Is this the show where women stop being women when they become mothers?
>>23976312>This describes a decent proportion of artists of every fieldKinda reminds me of Tarkovsky. Guy talked shit about every movie or fellow directors, except for The Terminator for some reason lol.
>>23980043Everyone likes a robot skeleton.
>>23978617That’s almost all of zeonic tbf. He’s pretty fucking bad. Tomino is very hard to understand with his translations. He’s already a esoteric guy lol
>>23975398Jokes aside, he did say Gundam was his catharsis
>>23975147He is a Wufei.
Is there any tomino ace female pilot that isn't mentally ill?
>>23989247SaylaEmmaFaElleRouxChanKasha from Ideon is kinda aggressive but not mentally illI haven't watched your Daitarns, your Zambots, your Aura Battlers etc.Granted some of these characters are only mildly impressive pilots
>>23989247Kayra, Raraiya (after recovering), Rira, Rezin, Hime, Cecily, Marbet, Shrike Team.
>>23975391Marbet sexo. Sexo with Marbet.
>>23975203this exactly. most of the gundam fans i know are literally women and like how he handles women.it's just reddit tier retards who think tomino hates women. quess was literally lolicon bait, like puru, meant to draw in lolicons and then punch them in the gut when their fetish material died violently.
>>23993085So why did he make her an insane bpd hoe that everyone dislikes?
>>23993085Most female Gundam fans are fujo shippers and have internalized loathing of women by default
>>23975147He understands women; if their primary source of attraction sees through their feminine wiles like the duplicitous hussies they are, they'll switch their allegiance to a rival romantic interest in a vain effort to arouse sexual jealousy and betrayal in their original suitor, a tale as old as time.
I understand women; that's why I hate them.
Tomino will self-admit to being a misogynist until Turn A and you can see it in his shows
Amerishartica is a feminist theocracy
>>23994252Wrong, it's a judaic one
>>23975147Any news of those projects he’s currently working on? I think one of those is the 0079 remake for the 50th but there were others he was also working on like Himiko Yamato
his female characters are mostly fine, they range from good (emma, fa) to annoying (quess/puru)the elephant in the room however is definitely reccoa, she had the stupidest and most nonsensical heel turn i have ever seen in anything, its so retarded and outta left field that i cant help but think it was done out of malice.
>>23996033Have you seen how fucking old Tomino is?
>>23975203>Look at the crazy shit he puts the male characters through but you don't see anybody say that he hates men.I say this all the timeguess im not anybody...
>>24002678Reccoa is probably his single most realistic character, not just female character but character period. You can always tell what faggots put pussy on a pedestal from how they feel about Reccoa as a character.
>>24002679What if he and Imagawa both drop in the same span?
>>24002730I don't follow
>>24002745Basically, if people get offended that Reccoa is an awful person or not. She is a great character and an awful person. And that's what makes her well written.
>>23975147You are going to love Victory Gundam.
>>23976461>Tomino's influenceYou can read the novels to know exactly what Tomino contributed to the anime.
>>24002750I just think someone like Reccoa would never get to the position she is in during the show in the first place. She's a character for an office drama.
fry foids with beam sabers
>>24003047Tomino has never been very good at writing war drama. He's great at regular drama during a war though. See how he always has to include a bunch of women in all roles because otherwise he can't have them being crazy and the guys being really horny about them all the time. Tomino would go mad writing a male only cast.
>>24003224retard
>>23975203i had this argument the other day and basically it boiled down to what you said - tomino doesn't write "bad" women, in the sense that they're inherently written from this evil place of misogyny, or over sexualized, or whatever other wrongthink people think is the matter with his women, the thing that people are really objecting to is that tomino OCCASIONALLY writes very unflattering non-progressive portrayals of women, and that just really shocks people who are used to portrayals of women in an politely tolerant gynocentric society's media.i always like to bring up beltorchika in these kinds of discussions, because she made me have an epiphany about how tomino writes women. if you examine her interactions with characters besides amuro and kamille there's a lot of interesting stuff there. mirai, by then a grown woman with a family of her own, sees what she's doing with amuro and basically says "what the hell do you think you're doing?" her dumb whore behavior of "rousing her man for battle" or whatever up till that point exists to get called out by mirai. understanding that made me appreciate how many of his "problematic" women really have easily understood lessons about relationships between men and women, if you bother to use your brain for half a second and not just ragepost about how tomino only writes crazy whores and sluts because he's an evil old man who hates women.
>>24003047>>24003224Everyone hits their breaking point, professionals are no exception
EVERYTHING YOU SAY TO ME
>>24004015I watched Xabungle for the first time this year and I dont know why but I absolutely loved the scene where Jiro beats the shit out of Rag. It's not just a few bright slaps he just keeps going. I cant imagine this shit happening in anything else. But it makes sense in context and wasnt misogynistic. She betrayed them all in a fit of jealousy and tried to kill Elchie and they were all basically living in Mad Max times. Also Tron kicked his ass earlier lol. There's just so make good female character he's made you have to be seeing everything through a modern lens to see otherwise. I liked the doctor girl who ended up fighting too and Greta.https://youtu.be/pcrh3wFX26s?t=86
I've always wondered what it says about the people I've surrounded myself with that I don't really find Tomino dialog that weird for people
>>24004750>>24004753>>24004757Why does this retard post Kamen rider shit everywhere
>>24004745My first time experience with Tomino's anime, characters keep stating obvious shit onscreen that I can see with my own eyes and understand what is happening. It's not like other animes don't do this, but Tomino's are just more autistic at this... I think?
>>23975147Tomino writes realistic women and redditors seethe over it. Shocker
>>23983349Yeah am I wrong or is Zeonic fucking terrible? It makes Tomino sound literally incomprehensible lol
>>24004745I've watched MSG, Zeta, CCA, Turn A...I've yet to see any of this incomprehensible Tomino dialogue.
>>24005277I think most of it is in Brain Powerd and Zambot-3
>>24005277if you watched them recently them you probably have seen the encodes with improved subs.
>>24005379I haven't watched them in 10+ years
>>24005385congrats you are a newtype.
>>24005258Zeonic's translation gives the impression Tomino is a sophisticated guy with language, when in interview itself he was talking about something like his penile dysfunction lmao
>>24005277The part that causes some confusion on people is that characters often bring up new concepts without exposition (since they already know about them in-universe but the viewer doesn't) and it's not framed as a reveal or mystery to the viewer either.But even outside of that, Tomino's dialogue just has an unique cadence and style that you don't see in anything else. I've seen Japanese fans fearing Tomino isn't popular in the West because the uniqueness of his dialogue style is lost in translation... although that clearly isn't the case.
>>24004745tomino's dialogue is very naturalistic and the people that complain about it are used to characters in fiction (including western fiction) being exposition mouthpiece robots
>>24002750>boo hoo char turned me down so i sold my soul to the first handsome and powerful man who looked in my direction, such is the nature of a womanher motivations are laughable, like the other anon said its straight out of a shitty office drama
>>23993171not true lol, a lot of us are lesbians.>>23993147reccoa is a rape victim who reacts poorly because of trauma that she never addressed. it's lost in translation, but there's a reddit post about it here.https://www.reddit.com/r/Gundam/comments/2ml8r2/comment/cm5xwyh/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3to be clear: Reccoa is also a victim of Scirocco's powers, the way Sarah is. he's particularly influential; remember that Char warns Kamille that Four can "control your mind" at Killimanjaro. Scirocco shows off these powers shortly before he dies, with his psychic attack on poor Kamille.it isn't the case that Tomino hates women; if anything, Gundam is a series that shows what war does TO women.
>>24004015this is a good post. on top of the post i already made about Reccoa being a rape victim, things like this are important to consider. Tomino's women aren't "bad", and he doesn't "hate women", at all.>>24005405Tomino is a very vulgar man lol, he always talks about things like this. i won't ever forget when he said that he was seriously thinking about Nanai's vagina while writing her because "she feels fleshy this way", as if to say "if i don't think about how much sex she has, she won't feel like a real woman". in the end, he also said that if Nanai is the kind of woman who has a lot of sex, Char will look pathetic next to her, so there's definitely something going on in his brain, lol.Char will look pathetic next to any woman, but that's just Char.
>>24007858it's also completely realistic foid behavior. you're just mad because women are a protected caste in the west
>>24007886>>24007883Reccoa being a rape victim seems to be a stretch. Any further proof of this? Tomino laid out why reccoa is the way she is in an interview. Basically similar to Emma but both made difference choices in their life. Mostly due to being “unfulfilled” by men or some thing along those lines. Most likely a weird translation though as Zeonic sucks
>>24009897Reccoa used Japanese verb in episode she died with the implicit meaning in Showa era or something that she was rapedIf you don't trust Zeonic then you can look at original text for yourselfまずは49話でかなり凄然な相討ちを演じたエマとレコアについてですが、 二人の在り方、特にレコアをあそこまで女性”と言う事に固執させた理由というのは?富野 結局のところ彼女達と言うのはある意味での、男から見た理想像的な女性なんです。それは何故かと言うと、 レコアの場合いにしてみれば、彼女はジャブローであのような仕打ちを受けても開きなおろうとかは決っしてしないわけで、自分を満たしてくれる男を探す。と言う言い訳をしながらも、 結局は男に寄り添っていくわけです。 男にしてみれば、こんな嬉しいことはないわけです。そして、エマと言うのは、つまりはレコアと非常に似かよっていて、根は同じようなかんじではないか、と思っています。ただ、本来だったらそう言ったキャラクターは生き残らすはずなんでしょう。それを僕の場合い、殺してしまった･･････と言う事です。
>>24009897it's not explicitly stated but there are several things that point in that direction.
>>24010612Kek a little on the nose Tomino
>>24010531Nothing about that text says rape.
>>23975147Dude, the point is just that Spacenoids are fucking evil, you're looking too deep into it.
>>23976458I don't think those two statements are contradictory. In one he's claiming that both of them had a discussion over what they think they role of a woman should be, on the other statement he says that men who don't like Reccoa are otaku (a pejorative in Japan) who wanted her to be a caricature of a woman, the type that goes "ara ara~" and swoons over the MC to validate the viewer's feelings.
>>23978444Don't forget that Kamille himself starts with outright disdain for Earth and the Federation, he mellows out slightly during his stay on Earth, but by the end he wholefully shares Char's vision that humans should all leave Earth.Then during ZZ the AEUG is depicted more like a guerrilla funded by Anaheim than a legitimate military faction with an ideology.When I first watched it I got confused and thought the AEUG was a faction that sympathized with Zeon and merely hated the Federation, which made it a bit confusing as to why Amuro and Bright were so quick to switch sides.
>>23976755Just go play Death Stranding. It's quite obvious that MGS is a Kojima work. If anything, it's possible that the first few games had other people keeping him on a leash, but by the time of MGS3 and Peace Walker the games are full of Kojima-isms.
>>24011324Nevermind it's just zeonic's shitty translation. In jap he said like this >>24010531
>>24010531yeah, "defiled" was synonymous with rape
>>24011352Where is "defiled"
>>24010674>>24011360>can't into subtlety of nihongo「エマ中尉わかってよ…男達は戦いばかりで、いつも女を道具に使うことしか思いつかない。…もしくは…女を辱めることしか知らないのよ…っ!」Jsut ask AI to explain the context
>>24012515That line isn't in >>24010531 and 辱め is a common term that generally doesn't relate to rape. The context has to be more specific.
>>24012557nta, that is Reccoa's final line in the show while conversing with Emma before she bites the dust.
>>24012558Okay but Quattro humiliated her enough that she defected. He used her as a tool for war while leading her on. Scirocco did the same. Her quote in >>24012515 fits perfectly with that and on-screen events. The rape interpretation is too flimsy.
>>24012575https://kotobank.jp/word/%E8%BE%B1%E3%82%81%E3%82%8B-601378?hl=vi-VN
>>24012587You're obviously out of your linguistic depth and very stubbornly committed to this fringe interpretation that doesn't really hold up at all.
>>24012589I'm not having nuh uh attitude like (You)
>>24012589you are truly a fool. i have been busy, and unable to return until now.>>24007883i linked my source in this post, you can read this comment on the reddit thread.
>>24013737It's because Reccoa was raped, or otherwise suffered sexual violence from male soldiers. It's a part of her dying words that were lost in translation. We don't know when it happened, most likely during OYW when she was fighting against Zeon, possibly repeatedly.In Japanese there is the word "disgrace/shame/humiliation" as a common euphemism in Japanese for rape. It's the kind of word you will use to make a sex reference that kids won't understand but adults will. It's not 1985 urban slang or anything, the definition of shame as rape is actually listed in dictionaries today:辱め【はずかしめ】(n) shame, disgrace, being rapedReccoa uses that euphemism in her dying words, at 18:04 after the end of the opening of episode 49:「エマ中尉わかってよ。男達は戦いばかりで女を道具に使うしか思いつかない…もしくは、女を辱めることしか知らないのよ…!」 "Lt. Emma, understand me. Men are so involved in their fighting, they think of women as mere tools. Sometimes even... not knowing anything other than to disgrace them!"Emma is taken aback by what Reccoa just said, and she replies「辱められたって…レコア・ロンド…」: "You were... disgraced...? Reccoa Londe...". Her reaction is serious enough that we know the "humiliation" being talked about is not about typical high school bullying.Nothing else could explain Reccoa's constant search for reliable male figures, and the deep feeling of betrayal she got from Quattro simply ignoring/rejecting her. Unfortunately the English word humiliated does not have all the facets implied by the hazukashime Reccoa uses. It would be weird to have Reccoa suddenly confide to Emma using the very rash word rape out of the blue, especially when sexual issues are not mentioned anywhere else in the series. So the word humiliated stayed in English, with all the things it implies, and also all the things it doesn't imply.
>>24013753Reccoa got raped at Jaburo. Tomino specifically mentioned Jaburo in >>24010531 I think Kai brought up 辱め in episode 12 as well about her
>「辱められたって…レコア・ロンド…」: "You were... disgraced...? Reccoa Londe...".lmfao indisputable proof that this is guy is a complete dekinai pushing headcanon
In America a woman can kill 3 kids and will be let free by a judge of her peers.
>>23975813OIAF PS AG
>>24013788oh, that's interesting. thank you.>>24013789elaborate, please.
>>24010612Masterful direction from Tomino.
