The writers of Wing watched 0079 through Victory in preparation but decided 0079 was the best and the others are shit. Now it makes since why 0079 and W are the best shows.>――What was Gundam Wing like in its earliest planning phase?>Sumizawa: To be honest, neither Director Ikeda nor I had actually seen Gundam before. So before diving into Wing, we sat down and marathoned everything from First through Victory Gundam to study up. But when you sprint through them like that, you don’t really come away understanding “what Gundam is.” Ikeda, though, declared, “I’ve got Gundam figured out!” (laughs), and drew up a structural outline. At that point, he already had a plan for over forty episodes. His idea was to reproduce every Gundam from First through Victory within this one series. But Ikeda is the kind of person who changes as he works. By the time we’d produced episodes one through five, his thinking was already evolving. So when we reached the point of airing episode ten, it was like, “Whatever happened to those original forty-episode plans?” (laughs).>――And how did you approach the concept for the story and scripts?>Sumizawa: After watching all the previous Gundams, Ikeda and I agreed on one thing: “The one that feels best to watch is First.” First Gundam works even just as a “journey story,” following the protagonists as they move from place to place. When you look back, the later series from Zeta onward leaned too far into the psychology of their teenage boys. The dialogue and the stories became uncomfortably introspective, even off-putting. So we decided: in our Gundam, we’d strip away that unpleasantness. We wanted something clean, like First. That’s why the lines in Wing have that bold, flamboyant flavor, they were written with First’s cadence in mind.
>>23983594>Zechs is a morally better Char with less baggage, trauma, and tragedy>and he does better as a person and fares better as a human being, and is arguably a better pilot as well>and we also get somewhere (positive) with him being a scion of a bigname founderOk I guess that's fair
Retarded OP can't even read his own post.
I am amazed at how much /m/ dislikes Zeta these days. It's my favorite anime ever made. I don't know how good it is, and I don't care, but this board helped make me love this show, and it's crazy how nobody seems to like it anymore.
>>23983594Based.0079 and Wing are the only Gundam shows you need.Maybe SEED too depending on how you feel about it.
>>23983594>later series from Zeta onward leaned too far into the psychology of their teenage boys. The dialogue and the stories became uncomfortably introspective, even off-putting. So we decided: in our Gundam, we’d strip away that unpleasantness.This is exactly what made Zeta and the later series good and what theyre really admitting here is that they made Wing so that it doesnt challenge the viewer or make them feel uncomfortable, basically making it a shallow, watered down 0079 with all the complex character psychology removed and replaced with easy to understand archetypes so that even retards can enjoy it
>>23983877A lot of people just watch stuff for escapism anymore they don't want media to challenge them, and people crying about war and death doesn't sell toys or move product. People want stories they can get lost in, and characters they can self insert onto. They don't want realistic and mean characters with flaws that cause nasty conflicts that make people think about stuff. People these days are too self absorbed due to their social media being all about THEM, and they have enough problems in their own lives, they just don't care about other people's conflicts anymore real or fictional.
>>23983893Buddy, Gundam Wing was made in the 90s, What does that have anything to do with escapism and social media? NOTHING. Also you’re forgetting SEED and 00 exist which puts a heavy perspective on conflict not unlike Zeta, and those shows are also popular. Think before you post
>>23983893what people dont understand is that the real romanticism and escapism lies in the fact that the troubled characters in Zeta or CCA not only have redeeming qualities but profound, psychological reasons for their flaws that imbue all their petty arguments and tantrums with a sense of pathos because the viewer is able to understand that these unpleasant things are really an expression of their inner anguish and that they arent like that at heart, and that its something they are able to grapple with and possibly overcome, in other words the characters always work in the framework of an ultimately noble process of self-actualization and if not that then at least a cautionary tale like char or haman, and being able to put their shitty behavior and suffering in that greater context is a form of escapism itself.In the real world people behave like retards for shallow reasons, real people tend to do shitty things not for profound reasons but out of impulse, and if there is a deeper cause for their shitty behavior they completely lack the self awareness and introspection to be able to recognize that. No inner monologue, no arguments about the cause of their trauma and grievances, just acting like jackasses, no pathos.
>>23983937I mean having agency is what makes characters CHARACTERS. In the real world people don't always have agency, some people just waste their lives, and some people's entire reason for living is just to satisfy their most basic desires for more food, more shelter, more power and more sex.
>>23983594>drones badWing aged like dogshit.
>>23983942unmanned drones are already here and the military industrial complex is chugging on like usual because war is anti-human to begin with. would have been nice if the wing writers got that out of the first gundam
>>23983594>So we decided: in our Gundam, we’d strip away that unpleasantness.Apparently Heero was perceived as being refreshingly forward rather than autistically unable to communicate?
>>23983942>Wing aged like dogshit.Wing aged perfectly. The anime said that drones would dehumanize the battlefield. And if drones became mainstream, then everyone would spam drones at each other without caring about human life anymore. That's exactly what's happened in Ukraine. 30 to 40 million drones have been used in the war. Both sides have thrown millions of suicide drones at eachother. Instead of being horrified at the human loss of life, both sides post videos of drone kills on social media for likes and comments. You can see the fear in the soldiers eyes before the drone makes contact. This is not normal. This is exactly what Wing warned us would happen if drones took over.
>>23983963Shitty as it is, this is less specific to drones and more about the availability of video feeds.
>>23983963>drones bad, meatwaves goodWing aged like dogshit and Wing babies confirmed for clinical retards.
>>23983963>This is not normal.The good Russians already left. What you're seeing is an ongoing correction of the nation's genetic stock towards one that is less obsessed with non-gay male-on-male sexual violence.
>>23983594They're right!
name a more delusional bunch than zetatroons
gqux made me hate 0079 purists
But Zech's character arc parallel's Char from 0079 to CCA.
>>23983963bro us soldiers were already using civilian women and children for target practive in the middle east before drones became a primary weapon, fucking samurai in feudal japan were testing their swords on peasants and the only difference is that they upload that shit to social media now instead of keeping quietall that wing predicted was that war was going to look less cool than before
>>23983955>autistically unable to communicate?he's not unable to communicatehe is communicating his exact intent it's just that he changes his mind later
>>23983955Heeros internal conflict is very transparent and easy to read, he was trained to be an emotionless soldier but is actually kind and thats why he says hell kill Relena but doesnt. Theres no ambiguity or mystery here, hes supposed to be cool and good in the eyes of the writers and the audience, and being a retard is just an unintended byproduct of trying to make him look cool.Compare to Kamille whose conflict about his own name and by extension his parents is much more ambivalent and complicated, its mixed with an insecurity about his own masculinity, this connects to his desire to prove himself as a man by piloting the Gundam which is also related to how he feels embarrassed that he is being coddled by Fa acting as his mother, but he secretly likes that about Fa more than he is willing to admit because he resented his own mother for being a workaholic, and because of those complicated feelings he holds off on pursuing Fa and falls in love with Four first because shes the first girl that he feels can face him as an equal with how they share the same insecurities about their identities, and you get the picture.
>>23985613Heero would never wear that.
>be wing>go pure fujobait>eva gets released same year
>>239856831995 was one hell of a year.
>>23983594>First Gundam works even just as a “journey story,” following the protagonists as they move from place to placeZZ and X did this, but fans didn't like them
>>23985683Dagwon and Raideen just furthered the fujobait the next few years, Koichi Inoue must have given up trying to dissuade girls from being the main draw.
>>23983963>The anime said that drones would dehumanize the battlefield.A battlefield is already no place for humans to thrive in. You've drawn a very arbitrary line as to where the dehumanisation begins.>Both sides have thrown millions of suicide drones at eachother. Instead of being horrified at the human loss of life, both sides post videos of drone kills on social media for likes and comments.And the same happened early on in the war for infantry shooting infantry, tanks getting tossed, that kino clip of a Russian helicopter going down, and we still like seeing refineries or warehouses get blown up even when there aren't necessarily any people getting hurt. Drones changed nothing except the proliferation of cameras on the battlefield, people always wanted to see that stuff.Btw even though it only lasted for like 5 minutes of screentime, F91 still got the horrors of drone warfare enacted against civilians across better.
Gundam 00 is Wing, but good.
>>23985786lol no. 00 is trash compared to Wing.
>>23985791Is that why 00 is getting a new season?
>>23985794>00fags still believing they're getting anything newIt's dead Jim.
>>23985796That's what people said about Seed Freedom.
>>2398579400 is not getting a new season. ELS Graham would be cool but it's just not happening.
>>23985686A great year for tentacle hentai.
>>23985786>>23985791trash vs garbage
>>23983594So FT will end with Heero becoming a vegetable because it's the AC version of Zeta?
>>23985964That's the same thing, Retard.
>>23983594If Wing was inspired by 79, why was its whole premise just a Zeta rehash?>OZ are just the titans, Treize and the Romefellers are just scirocco and when he took over the Titans, White Fang is just Axis Zeon, Dorothy is just Haman and Katejina fused togetherArguably the only 79 aspects was Zechs being a char clone piloting the wing universe equivalent to the rx-78-2
>>23986258They're talking about the dialogue in 0079, not the premise. The premise was to reproduce every Gundam from First through Victory within this one series which even though a bunch of stuff changed, it still ended up being speed run of Zechs as Char from MSG to Zeta to CCA. They even acknowledge that last bits of Wing is just Char's Counterattack.
>>23986287Anad also they were just making shit up as they went along is funny to me because that's definitely what it felt like as a rewatch
>>23986293Especially Ikeda leaving midway again like the last project he was on that got fujopilled
Just Communication and Rhythm Emotion saved Wing.
>>23986345I've rolled my eyes at basically everything since Endless Waltzthen The End Of The Endless Waltz droppedreally Two-Mix is the core of it I recall a thousand years ago a legend that the original video for White Reflections was animated beyond the ones, but the encodes that are online just don't have it because this was so long ago and who would really run video at 60fps I suspect the legend is false, but I've got an open mind
>>23983594Then they have shit taste.Zeta is best Gundam, always and forever.Wing is also absolutely nothing like First Gundam (although I love both of them, neither come anywhere CLOSE to Zeta).
>>23983868/m/ like the rest of modern 4chan is full of contrarian tryhard shitposters from reddit and sharty who just claim "EVERYTHING IZ SHIT! PLAY MOAR ROBLOX!" for cheap (You)s. Used to be there was actual love for older Gundam, but now that it's super mainstream, we got tourist faggots talking like they know everything after listening to some fat fuck on Youtube review it.
>>23983868some retarded spammers are not everyone, Zeta is pretty well liked show on almost every site.
>>23983594You literally can't find a single example of Zeta influencing another anime. Just 0079. It's only Americans overrating Zeta garbage
>>23985686Did anyone make such compilations for the 80s and 00s?
The longer FT drags on, the more it feels like Bandai suing Katoki for copyright infringement (he's monetizing an IP which is not his own or the other writer's) is the safer option even if it means Katoki getting blacklisted
>>23983877Half of Wing is insane philosophy babble no one normal is going to understand.
>>23983963Dude, drones cost way too much. Loses on both sides are very small. Russian gov is crazy. I got information from russian soldiers, they literally know a lot of places from where Ukrainians launch long range drones, but they're not allowed to attack them. Some places around border and soldiers who launch drones can be shot with sniper rifle or basic fpv drobe. Yet it's not allowed
>>23983594But wing is one of the bad shows. Americans only like it for nostalgia.
>>23991190Gundam Wing is still the only Gundam anime that went mainstream enough for even non-mecha fans to love.
>>23991215So did SEED and IBO
>>23991222In fact SEED went mainstream enough to be parodied in general parody media in the 2000s.Does Wing have any parodies beyond some american exxxtreme comics from the 90s and early 00s?
>>23983594Wing, G and X are probably the most boring Gundam shows after SEED
>>23989826
00 is funI'm not going to say it's good but it's a fun time
>>23991228No, but it did get a spiritual remake.
>>23991228>In fact SEED went mainstream enoughMostly in Japan. Seed was a failure in the West. Wing was a success in both Japan and the West. Wing is still loved by Japan today.
>>23991239Pretty much, which is why I never watch Gundam unless it's by Tomino
>>23989515Yeah doesn't help that two of them are tryhards from Anilist and one believes everyone who can recognize them are people they beefed with from some Discord, thereby revealing more of their inability to tardwrangle themselves.
>>23991266>only TV animeI'll take that as a no.
>>23986385https://youtu.be/J3VbMx8V3Fw?si=fljRBUOo7Y-fGW0qi think this certainly looks like it isnt on the ones at times, not the entire video.
>>23983594>watching victorytorture is illegal bro.
>>23983771>>23983594>wing's char and amuro become bodies and amuro fucks his sayla.>>23983872this all falls apart once your realize tear drop is a thing, and they are releasing pre-tear drop in manga form and it's just as bad even though it explains tear better......
>>23993556is that why wing got a sequel, and then prequel to that sequel cause it is so lover for it's 30th????fuck off wing is hated, and is milked to the west that it is.
>>23983594>When you look back, the later series from Zeta onward leaned too far into the psychology of their teenage boys. The dialogue and the stories became uncomfortably introspective, even off-putting. So we decided: in our Gundam, we’d strip away that unpleasantness. We wanted something clean, like First. That’s why the lines in Wing have that bold, flamboyant flavor, they were written with First’s cadence in mind.TRANSLATION: "Tomino is a shitty writer".0079 was the most collaborative of the bunch, with other writers like Hoshiyama making enormous contributions to the story's core. It was from Zeta onwards that Tomino took the reins completely with his psychological bullshit.And don't get me started on G-Reco.
>>23983594>Now it makes since why 0079 and W are the best shows.>Wing>Best show>Thinking Wing is anything but midtier shitUsual retarded American opinion
