>Got groomed as minor>Became a minor groomer What's her deal?
Judau broke the cycle.He also broke the cycle of Wong's abuse too
>>23989586as sad it is to say, this happens very much in real life.No matter the type of harm, when someone are hurt as a young person, it isn't uncommon for the the damages to stay as when this person becomes an adult. It's the same reason how some people who got physically beaten end up repeating this as they get older. Among other things.Though Char himself never loved Haman, the damages was all the same to her. it broke her mind.Unlike Char however, Haman doesn't like this at all. I think that's why she killed herself at the end of ZZ. She couldn't live with this shame on what she became.
>>23989639All sexual relations in Gundam are in subcontext until Hathaway come from but I am 99% sure Chat knock Haman when she was little and reason why She's so bitter since he really never loved her.
>>23989658if that was the case then she would be angry at him and be looking for revengebut in zeta, she keeps holding back and is mostly non-lethal against him, and even at the end she keeps asking him to come back to her
>>23989922>Women feeling attachment to her groomer A tale as old as time
He hit it. Either he did it to get closer to Mineva, or Haman would have reminded him too much of Lalah for him not to. Char's non-commitment to leading the AEUG, and his relationship of not being able to commit to Reccoa, are probably the best insight we have as to what might have went down with him and Haman. Both Haman and Zeon were asking for a committed relationship, and the dude can't even keep an identity, and he got cold feet and bailed on them both.He just runs away from everything. That's his entire character arc in Zeta. Amuro's arc is a mirror of this.
>>23990477>Amuro's arc is a mirror of this.Can you elaborate? Usually the take "Amuro grew up and be adult while Char the seething manchild" floats around more
>>23990490Amuro's arc in Zeta where he is just in hiding alone in his mansion. Both him and Char are running away from responsibility for a good bit of the show. Char and Amuro meeting again is the catalyst that snaps both of them into action,and Amuro even helps Char to give his speech at Dakar.
>>23990501I suppose Amuro gets less flak than Char since his circumstance is more reasonable to empathize and he caused less trouble in general
>>23990527Amuro's a pretty twisted guy, but he try to keep his worst side to himself and don't want to bring it other people, that's why he often keep his distance with others.Mr asteroid drop meanwhile will actively put everyone in his problems. Willingly or accidentally.
>>23990550The AEUG and Axis meeting for the first time is a perfect example of Char putting everyone in his problems.
>>23990477>He hit itHe actually didn't, btw
>>23990567I know CDA exists and it is maybe the worst thing I have ever read. Kitazume is a retarded hack and Define sucks too.
>>23990501>>23990527Keep in mind Amuro is also five or so years younger than Char. He handles his shit more maturely than Char does on a shorter timeline with far less collateral damage in his wake, which just makes Char look even more pathetic by comparison.
>ywn pork hamman
>>23990477>>23990576Tomino said that Haman died a virgin. Haman is nothing like Lalah besides being young, she doesn't really have that motherly nature that appeals to Char's traumatized mentally ill ass.
>>23993068Haman already has motherly quality, just more on authoritative side. Not her fault Char is fucking picky and borderline impossible to please. Char while he wants the vibe of a mother figure acting nurturing, the paradox of his fetish is that he also doesn't like being controlled, which is the other reality of parental figure. He wants the softness, unconditional love of a mother, but parent and child relationship is inherently hierarchical. The mother is older, on higher hierarchy. She not only care for her child but she also disciplines them, makes rules and guides their behavior, and Char ultimately is a very insolent motherfucker. Supposedly normal people would assume someone like Char probably has a preference for older women if they hear about his complex, but Char 99% of time involved himself with younger girls and women, young girls don't have power and experience to hold him accountable like those hags. Basically he's having a contradictory fantasy: he wants the female to act like a mother and not like a mother at the same time to him, no woman including Lalah if she were alive could fulfill that.
>>23994798>Haman already has motherly qualityYou wanting "le mommy gf" and someone to step on your balls doesn't mean that subject has motherly qualities.
>>23994798>Haman already has motherly quality
>>23994808Why you bring up roleplay porn out of nowhere? >The mother is older, on higher hierarchy. She not only care for her child but she also disciplines them, makes rules and guides their behavior>which is the other reality of parental figure
>>23994868>Why you bring up roleplay porn out of nowhere?It's a fucking haman thread, why wouldn't I?
Haman is literally an adopted mother in the show. She literally has a child she is in charge of, and she is like a mother to Zeon. As far as Haman being like Lalah the Qubeley is LITERALLY the successor to the Elmeth. Haman would have been the first really powerful Newtype Char met besides Lalah and Amuro.
>>23994908Haman is TRYING to be all those things but Char sees through her bluff. Taking a kid hostage to ascend in power is the opposite of being a motherly figure.
>>23994919Yeah, hence the reason he hates her. She is a foil character for Lalah.
>>23994919>taking Char's perspective seriouslyIndian child prostitute with implied limited to no proper education isn't supposed to be seen as ideal mother figure either by normal minded people. Speaking of Mineva, Tomino did mention Char would groom the shit out of her if she appeared in CCA, and IF he really was a lolicon (an archetype already loaded with morally unacceptable sexual fixation). For a guy with mother fetish like Char, what "maternal traits" he could find in kid like Mineva? Fuck I know, Tomino said that about his character
>>23994919Mineva and even body double mineva weren't really treated like hostages.
>>23995017As a lolicon, one of the best kinds of lolis is the maternal loli(see the lolihimo manga or kokoro from priconne as examples). I could totally see how a lolicon Char could be into that. That said, I don't believe Char is a lolicon to begin with. He is just a man with severe mother issues and imposter syndrome who has no problem manipulating people.
>>23995029A pedophile on 4chan discussing anime? Big surprise there.
>>23995029Tochiro, meds
>>23994908She's not a mother nor does she have motherly qualities >>23994924She isn't a foil for Lalah, nothing about Lalah was releaved through Haman
>>23995552Your mother should've spanked you for being this retarded
>>23995744Your father should have stuck around
she didn't groom Judau and she wasn't groomed by Char in the first place. Why are hamanfags still pushing this meme is really beyond me
>>23989586You pretty much just typed it out
saylalahaman could have been a female relative to me
Can I ask what is it about this bitch that drives half of the Gundam fans here absolutely feral?
>>23995804your father should have spanked your mother for being retarded
>>23997240Mommy issues and they want their dick stepped on. Inexperienced men and virgins typically like powerful women to push them around.
>>23996748
>>23997375Amuro would absolutely hit it.
Just for clarification, Haman and Char didn't date, she was just trying to guilt trip him back to lead Zeon right?
>>23997486Depends on if you want to take deleted affair as fact
>>23997493I do not consider CDA canon.
If Char fucked Reccoa he fucked Haman. There is no way his taste is THAT bad.
>>23997506then no and she's pissed he betrayed her plans for Axis taking over Earth and the colonies
Did Haman know he was Casval Rem Diekun?
>>23990477related unrelated but i really love this art, it's so good
>>23997509Some people (mostly Charmuro shippers probably) believe Char is a virgin, I guess because they want to imagine him being only for Amuro or something.I think they're wrong since while it doesn't seem to get mentioned in English spaces much, it's a pretty known fun fact in Japanese fan circles that Tomino supposedly "confirmed" to their voice actors that Char and Lalah were having sex in 0079. But some people believe he never fucked anyone. Weirdly Yoshikazu Yasuhiko seems to feel this too re: his portrayal in Origin
>>23997564NTA but I assumed Lalah was his first with Nanai Miguel being at least a second and possibly more if Gyunei is to be believed.
Didn't Yas draw a really intimate piece of art of these two post sex?
>>23997568>Char fucked Gyunei>Gyunei was supposed to be Kamille.Oh. OH.
>>23997570
>>23997240Gap moe, she is a loser virgin forced into a role she isn't suited for, a paper tiger. That makes her cute. That haman OL manga captures her true essence. It may be a gag manga but make no mistake that's how the real one is too.
>>23997569Yeah, he did which is what makes it weird that he also said somewhere in a written interview about Origin that he saw their relationship as platonic (which got surprised/confused reactions from the other participants in the interview, and also from fans reacting to this interview, since the fun fact about Char and Lalah's relationship is so well known). People wondered if he was joking or what.But within the context of the Origin manga you can actually kind of see this, with Lalah obviously wanting it to be romantic but Char apparently kinda grooming her to be his mother substitute the entire time.He still kisses her as in the anime though, so maybe that and the art you mentioned is just him having some weird wires crossed re: Lalah
>>23997574I truly in my heart believe that OL Haman is the best Gundam product to come out in the past six years. If they don't animate this for the franchises 50th anniversary then Sunrise is actually retarded.
>>23996747Tochiro may be shitposting through her schizophrenia again
>>23997577current day anime fans are gigafaggots and don't deserve it
>>23997570Gyunei could be Kamille, Kamille ended up with Fa forever after.You suck.
>>23997576>apparently kinda grooming her to be his mother substitute the entire time>weird wires crossed re: LalahAnd yeah someone could say "isn't this the same as the anime," but I don't think he actually felt this way toward Lalah as far back as 0079, and I don't think the CCA line was meant completely literally as in Origin, where it's 100% clear he means as a substitute for his literal dead mother.The wording is also kind of different in Japanese too, where it's not like "Lalah could have been a mother to me" within the context of a conversation about parental figures, but more like "Lalah was going to be my mother." Like he already had a very definite idea of the role he wanted her to play even before her death, and I don't think Lalah was aware of thisit really is weird
>>23997564>>23997576Yas is like the last person I will take opinions about Char from.
Char and Lalah probably got married at the end of GQuuuuuuX tbqh.The Lalah plot twist ruined the entire show for me tbqh.
>>23997577i started reading this last night but had to stop to jerk off with the amount of ass shots
>>23997594Canon lore going back to the 1980s.
>>23997591Yeah, I'm obviously not saying he's right since as I said, I think there's enough context/implications in multiple anime series that Char has had sexual relationships with women, and that insisting he must be a virgin feels pretty weird.I just find it pretty bizarre and interesting that it was the intention in Origin, and this aspect of it doesn't get mentioned much compared to the Charwank nature of the backstory scenes
>>23997594>>23997596VA approved.
>>23997610She came back to voice her as an operator for GBO2
>>23997611They all came back for Engage except for Judau who sounds like he is dying.
>>23997570It's been a while and you fags still repeat this rumor? Quess is Kamille, Gyunei is Kamille, who else is supposed to be Kamille?
>>23997657The viewer, were you not paying attention
>>23997671I was busy looking at Amuro's ass
>>23997657Astonaige, obviously.
>>23997676But Char you were IN the MOVIE
>>23997678Tomino was mean for that.
>>23989586>What's her deal?I feel that you've already touched on that
>>23997552Even if CDA was canon, they didn't date. Char treated her as nothing but a kid. He was nothing but a gentleman to her, until she killed his girlfriend out of jealousy.
>>23999049it puts a one sided romance aspect on her and makes her seem like a yandere
>>23999597When she was 14, sure. If anything, the only kinda bad thing about CDA was that Haman's transition into the personality we know was too abrupt.
>>23989586How come she wasn't attracted to Kamille's incredible New Type powers but went for Judau's had weaker NT powers?
>>24000484Judau has stronger newtype powers than girls.
>>24000487Tomino confirmed that Kamille is the strongest Newtype in several interviews
>>24000484It was because Judau was a lolicon
>>24000489Doesn't matter, Judau has better feats.
>>24000484Newtype shenanigans are only a part of the whole deal. Think about Haman as the most popular girl in school that only dates jocks and treats nerds like lepers.
>>23997657Spartacus
>>24000517Can Judau make a jukebox work by punching it?
>>24000527He pretty much does that with the Zeta in his debut ep. Punches the command console and the Zeta starts
>>24000517Haman is the broody alt chick who wants to get railed by the football team
>>24000484cause too much understanding means you become vulnerable and your shameful thoughts and memories are laid bare.
>>24000484Because Haman is straight.
>>24000604Haman got cake
>>24000484read the novels.
>>23989622He also broke the cycle of Gundam main characters being awkward simps and ending up as shells of their former selves.Judau was present during Amuro's or Kamille's time, they both would've had far better outcomes. That's what the power of friendship and emotional maturity does to a mf.God I love Judau so much it's unreal.
>>24000690Me too but fuck BeechaAt least Mondo got better after some tragedy in his life, but Beecha got kicked upwards because uhhhhh
>>24000690I dropped the show multiple times because I found Judau to be an incredibly boring and incredibly typical shonen protagonist.
