Reminder Tomino wanted all of ZZ to be like the first half and it was his idea the whole time. I've seen some retardos here say he wasn't involved with the first half. Peak delulu. I don't know why so many on this board just lie and make up shit like this. It's why I've tried to avoid interacting with UC Gundam fans as much as possible for the last 10 years. They are very autistic and reject reality. Some of the worst people online. I bet some will even try to deny it even still with this direct source from Tomino himself.ZZ > Zeta btw
>>23995893I think ZZ is weakest of the first four entries but still a really good show.Gundamfags are so retarded that they will believe sun rises in the west if you repeat it enough times.
Wow, so tomino is directly responsible for the absolute tonal mess that is ZZ? It's all tomino's fault ZZ is sucky? He willingly chose to make gundam a really unfunny comedy all of a sudden and then gave up on it halfway through, satisfying no one, and nuking early UC as being thematically consistent?Did tomino also tell them to put a cockpit in its gun and then rush production so any revisions couldn't be used?
>>23995946most fans and staff agree Zeta already ruined UC
>>23995963boo fucking hoo since when do you bandwagon with popular opinions?
>>23995946>tonal messshut up retard>He willingly chose to make gundam a really unfunny comedyit's funny.>nuking early UC as being thematically consistent?they are seperate shows, but it is consistent.
>>23995893Yoshie Kawahara in her columns about her years at Sunrise also pretty much says Kamille's suffering at the end of Z was part of the slate wipe to move Gundam into something brighter and comedic for children.
ZZ is the heathcliff of Gundam.
>>23995963gundam was garbage from the start so really it was ruined with the first one
Fuck off Zetarager
>>23995893It took 20 episodes until it felt like Gundam. That's too much hijinks to sit through.
Is this true? Lolicon hated Zeta so ZZ was made for them
ZZ is gigakino
>>23995893LMAO, might as well as trusting the infamous "interview" like the one where someone said that women are the first gundam fans that saved it from cancellation and the one who solely made the movies successful.
>>23997255The Tokwan gooners gonna get ya
>>23997255retard
>>23996938They are annoying for most of the beginning but really make up for it. Judeau never improves and is dislikeable until the end.
>>23995893>ZZ > Zeta btwbruh..................cmon
>>23997255Tomino himself said that's true though. to this day he says that Gundam needs a fanbase with a lot of women to truly shine the way it did in the 80s.if you weren't blind, you'd be able to see that Zeta Gundam copied a lot of popular shoujo tropes, and even 79 worked them in in the last half. the "newtype flash" effect predates gundam by a while, and was popularised by gigantic shoujo manga like Rose of Versailles, which was THE most popular manga in the country in the early 70s, to the point that the first two volumes were the first manga to be officially translated into english, as teaching materials for students. Tomino gundam is a blend of Space Battleship Yamato's foundation and shoujo tropes that were popular at the time. to say otherwise shows a concerning amount of ignorance.Gundam as a narrative was objectively saved by the women who were fans at the time.
>le women le fans le saved le gundam narrative, againAbandon thread.
>>23998215>He's never seen the New Century Anime Declaration. Oh god what could those things with the breasts be?
>>23998213Do not argue with Sprocketguy, my lad, his views on the Gundam fujos and how they ruined the anime industry shall not be contested.
>omg you like g-gundam? tis an awesome thing to see! my queen you just saved this franchise and don't worry, I'm not like the other otaku, if anything I'll be the one wearing the maid outfit!
>>23998213I keep my receipt so that it can be easily verified anytime.What about you?
>>23996656>Lolicondidn't they devolve into troons aka "modern audiences"
