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>>23996538Gihren still fucking dies
>ifYou faggots need a video essay to explain fucking everything to you.
>>23996559why'd you quote if like that
>>23996538The question has never been >"What if Zeon won the One Year War?" but >"Is there a good story to be told if Zeon won the One Year War?" After watching Japan make Gquuuux, the answer seems to be a big fat NO.
Not your fan fiction writing personal army
>>23996616What even would be a good story to if Zeon won?
>>23996652Everyone quickly realizing how badly the zabis played them as they almost immediately fall into poverty from a lack of self sustainability. They'd be at each others throats in a year.
>>23996538*sigh* what could have been https://youtu.be/PC_jA8AJivU?list=PL_3D4fll8ysW_KE0BkqMRBywnaR1pNyr9
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>>23996652>>23996616>>23996538Zeon is only interesting to fans BECAUSE they lose. They start with massive advantage at the start of the war, have multiple chance to win, but still fumble each time. That's why Zeon is so interesting to analyze and discuss.
>>23996652>What even would be a good story to if Zeon won?As an American, I'll take a swing at writing a good post war scenario.1. Dec 0079 - Zeon wins war. 2. Jan 0080 - Federation military space fleet remnants flee to the asteroid belt.3. Zeon established new world order with Zabi family leading the way. Immigration to space is enforced for Earth population. New Colonies and Sides are built under Zeon control.4. 0083 - Federation Remnants launch an attack on Side 3 using a secret experimental Mobile Suit called Gundam GP02 using a nuclear weapon. Degwin Zabi is killed in the nuclear attack. Several colonies are destroyed and a huge chunk of Zeon's home fleet are destroyed. The Remnants call themselves the Revil Fleet.This is Followed up with a plan to drop the abandoned former Federation Luna 2 Asteroid onto Granada moon city. The Remnant Fleet use a new Mobile armor called Gundam Dendrobium Gp03 to escort the asteroid. Zeon attempts to stop the drop using a Colony Laser and several Perfect Zeongs and Big Zams. Despite severely damaging the colony, they can't stop the drop. At the last moment the Luna 2 asteroid is suddenly redirected to the real target of Moon city Von Braun. Anaheim Electronics was the real target with their massive mobile suit factories which were taken over by Zeon after the war.5. 0086 - Zeon survived the crisis but without Degwin to maintain the balance, Zeon is now split in several political factions. One faction led by Gihren. Another faction led by Kycillia. And a few neutral factions. Zeon descends into a brutal civil war for control.6. During the Zeon civil war, The Federation returns to the Earthsphere with a large asteroid base equipped with nuclear engines and a large fleet. They have spent 7 years rebuilding and now call themselves "The Titans" and wear black uniforms. The fleet are led by Admiral Bright and the former White Base crew. With new ships and new mobile suits. Amuro is piloting the Gundam Mark 2.
>>23996692Almost like the NAZIS!
>>23996713So where is Char and where is Axis in this scenario??
>>23996616theres not even a good story when the federation won the war so I dont know why youre even going with this angle
>>23996652Fed remnants committing mega warcrimes, but being portrayed in a positive light.>>23996713this is cool too
>>23996538>Universal Century 0088>A half century has passed since Earth's burgeoning population were forcibly moved into gigantic orbiting space colonies. A new home for mankind, where people are born and raised, and die.>Nine Years Ago, the cluster of colonies furthest from the Earth, called Side 3, declared war on the Earth Federation. In just under a month, more than half of the human population was killed.>After nine months of brutal conquest across the Earth sphere, the young Garma Zabi, youngest son of Zeon's leader Degwin Zabi, launched a raid onto the Federation's military headquarters Jaburo, deep in the heart of the South American continent. The Federation's final engine of war on the surface was silenced.>A last ditch effort by Federation forces saw the singular colony Side 7 and the Luna 2 asteroid base jointly launch towards Venus to escape the Zeonic tyranny that would surely follow the imminent collapse of the Federation's authority. In conjunction with this, the Federation's R&D authorities engaged with the V-Project would withdraw with them.>Over the next nine years, the Federal Remnant built up in exile, managing to secure other Federation exiles and a secure contract with the Jupiter Energy Fleet.>Now, almost a decade in exile, the Federal remnant has launched a probing mission into the Zeonic controlled Earth sphere territories, hoping to find weaknesses in Zeon that they can exploit.>The Council of Venus, formerly the scientist corps who worked on the V-Project, have spent the last decade refining their principals and machine knowledge to advance mobile suit technology under Tem Ray's guidance. They have outfitted the probing expedition teams each with a trio of units built on the Ad-V-anced Project systems. Three teams, one to Earth, one to Luna, and one to the colonies, will make up the probing expedition. >Perhaps they can end this Ten Year War.
>>23996713This one is interesting. Why did you stop? Continue.>>23996780Too much pre-amble. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, but you lost me half way. It's just too much.
>>23996616>GquuuuxThey were handed on a silver platter the chance to make something great and they completely squandered it.
>>23996713Just have the Space Fortress be a captured Axis and have Haman as a hardcore Titan as Amuro's right hand.
>>23996652>Zeon decapitates the EF>takes Earth> Its just Wolfenstein NO, but with BJ on a GM fighting alongside the Earth resistance. proceeds to wipe out the Zabis himselfkino>>23996929>Haman just needed some feddie dick
>>23996935>Trad GF Haman waiting anxiously for Amuro to get back for him to count how many people he just killed on his last sortie
If Zeon won, tomino would allow himself to write a final solution to earth being harmed by humans and he'd end the whole thing as being radical but necessary action to save the earth.He doesn't permit himself to have this though, which is why the protagonist always stops them.
>>23996954Tomino just needed to get laid
>>23996538They'll almost certainly fall into infighting almost immediately.
>>23996731>So where is Char and where is Axis in this scenario??Not american anon but I think it would go something like this.Char is still probably a lieutenant or got promoted to general, point is he would help out in 0083 to disrupt zeon and make the zabis much easier to pick off and then reveal himself as the son of Deikun and create the neo zeon faction which could act like an evil AEUG to keep everyone in space.>>23996935>>23996940For axis/haman this
>>23996967He already did and he was still miserable back then, at least for a while
Imagine their children. Just like an entire child army of S-tier Newtypes in mass produced Qubeleys instead of Purus.
>>23996616this gcuck autistic meltdown will last for how long again?
>>23997702There are still faggots bitching about seed on this board. It's gonna take a while.
>>23996616Ghiren's Greed?
>>23996774No one cares Zetarager.
>>23997661what if indeed
>>23998287>what if indeed
>>23996713Assertive Zeek loathing Bright Noa fits good into a Titans uniform.
>>23996616There was a good story to be told, it's just that Anno and Enokido don't tell good stories. Only slop like clan battles and multiverse of madness. The man in the high castle had this same problem, the actual good bit about how fascist states have a tendency to eat themselves had to play second fiddle to womyn shit and muh timelines.
>>23999460I could totally see Bright going full Titans mode if Mirai ended up getting killed by Zeon.
>>23996713I do wonder, would Cima and her marines still be in the military? Would Zeon keep trying to screw them over? What about the other units that were considered disposable by the higher ups?
>>23999460they should've gave Bright better drip
>>23996678>Everyone quickly realizing how badly the zabis played themI felt robbed when they sort of establish that in GQuuuuuuX, but also sidestep it by making most of the plot take place in Side 6, who it would likely effect the least given they were neutral.>>23996692>Zeon is only interesting to fans BECAUSE they loseWho let this 12 y/o onto 4chan? Can we ban them?>>23996713I feel like this could be a much more interesting set up without the need of an inverse Stardust Memory. Or at least save that part for the latter as the Federation taking full advantage of the civil war to pick off the stragglers with a tactical nuke strike on Side 3. Even better. Make that bit Quattro's plan and the only people hellbent on stopping him are Amuro and Sayla.>>23996778>"I want more IBO!"That sounds really boring.Actually wait...>>23999586Cima leading a rogue fleet of pirates as a rebel movement against Zeon would be fucking kino. Especially if she helps smuggle "Quattro" into the Federation and helps him take advantage of Gihren and Kycyllia's squabble.
>>23999700>I felt robbed when they sort of establish that in GQuuuuuuX, but also sidestep it by making most of the plot take place in Side 6, who it would likely effect the least given they were neutral.but they were still effected, Gquuux just didn't focus on the Zabis because theres not much more to it than the show already covered, Kycillia and Gihren are basically in a cold war waiting to kill each other which also causes so much of the population to get neglected and it's basically as bad if not worse for spacenoids because now you also got Feddies basically acting as terrorists>>23996692>Zeon is only interesting to fans BECAUSE they lose.this, and writers loves it because it's an easy way to establish the enemy>they're a zeon remnant group so they use the cool Zeon suits also they hate the federation
>>23999700>that sounds really boringyeah no shit, why do you think modern UC is so fucking boring now?at least then we get Fed suits looking cool rather than endless zeekwank
>>23999544I don't recall Kycilia having a manjaw.
>>23999706Gquuuux could have explored what happened to Garma Zabi and Degwin Zabi.
>>23996713I feel like this scenario would need certain things to happen for it to really work. Namely Operation Odessa being a failure for the Federation and the White Base crew being radicalized into actively wanting to continue fighting Zeon with such fanaticism. I suppose it could be done like->Amuro overhears Bright's intentions to pull him piloting the Gundam leading to Amuro deserting from the White Base>After annihilating M'quve's secret Mining Base, Amuro continues to be hounded by pursuit units sent by Kycilia, forcing him into a desperate bid to survive as he is forced to stash away the Gundam and to go into hiding >Without the Gundam to protect the White Base, Ramba Ral's forces successfully manage to overtake the "Trojan Horse" and he detains all of its crewmen. Upon finding "Artesia" onboard though he ends up delaying extraditing its crew to Odessa so he can figure out what the true purpose behind the "V Project" was and why Artesia was fighting with the Federation>Amuro ends up a vagrant using the Core Fighter to raid Zeon for supplies to survive. During a failed raid he is forced to hide the Core Fighter and ends up meeting Char and Lalah in India. While deeply drawn to Char for pulling her away from a life as a prostitute Lalah is drawn to Amuro on a more raw level as his budding Newtype abilities meld with her own>Amuro and Lalah end up escaping with one another causing Char to suffer a severe blow to his self esteem. Amuro gets Indian pussy and instantly has a reason to live yet again>Bright misreads the situation with Sayla and believes she had been a Zeon spy due to the treatment she is receiving from Ramba. Because the White Base's wreckage hasn't been moved, it is eventually attacked by not only a Federation task force to recover the White Base's survivors, but the Black Tri Stars sent by Kycilia to destroy the ship upon her being informed of another heir of the Deikun family being alive and that Ramba could planning a coup
>>24002761>Absolute clusterfuck of a battle happens that leads to Matilda, Woody and Mirai all being killed along with a large chunk of the lesser staff of the White Base. Bright becomes downright obsessive with his hatred for Zeon to the point of fully investing himself into taking any measure to defeat them>Amuro patchworks the Gundam into semi functional condition and follows Lalah's guidance to find Federation help. Instead Lalah's psychic premonitions just leads Amuro to be ambushed by a scornful Char. The battle ends with both the Gundam and Char's upgraded Zaku II being damaged and Lalah giving her life to save Amuro from being struck by the Zaku Heat Hawk. Amuro lets himself be lead by Lalah's ghost and he escapes in the Core Fighter while the Gundam's wreckage is recovered by Char>Because Revil had been so focused on trying to deal with recovering the White Bases survivors he left himself open to being betrayed by Elran. Operation Odessa ends in failure for the Federation, Revil dies and General Elran reveals a secret point to attack Jaburo in, and the Mobile Suit construction facilities to target>The failure at Odessa and Revil's death breaks the Federations momentum and morale. Having been unable to confirm the death of Ramba Ral and Artesia, Kycilia believes a war from within Zeon is inevitable even should they gain a total victory in the war. Taking advantage of M'quves recently gained prestige from the near flawless victory at Odessa Kycilia arranges for not only her amphibious forces to overtake Jaburo, but for Luna II to also be taken at the same time to ensure she would be given a position above Dozle's. To achieve this Kycilia arranges a clandestine deal with a high ranking contact she had in the Federation's naval council to ensure Luna II's defenses would be softened for an invasion by her Granada fleet in return for Axis being left open for them to take. Jamitov agrees to this and brews his own plan now that Revil is gone.
>>239967132/10 for the attempt.You can do something more original than a goddamn Mirror Universe scenario.
>>24002761>Without the Gundam to protect the White Base, Ramba Ral's forces successfully manage to overtake the "Trojan Horse" and he detains all of its crewmenNice idea. I like the idea of Ramba Ral's attack being more lethal and maybe Mirai getting hurt. However Ramba Ral only had a very small force attacking White Base. They never had enough soldiers to take over the ship.
>>24002817>You can do something more original than a goddamn Mirror Universe scenario.It's not really a mirror universe scenario. A mirror universe scenario would be the Federation being portrayed as evil and trying to conquer everyone. And Zeon is portrayed as the last bastion of good people resisting the Federation.
>>23996906>Hobo terrorist Teetons>Gates, the Hambrabi, the MkII Psyco acting as a trojan horse to strike at Zeon High Command>Ringleader Bask running operations to assassinate Kycillia>Only gets touched on for 2 episodes and never gets brought up again>Lalah wank for the other half of the series>Had to endure tourists here wanking this shit show Anno only made GunBuster in my eyes everything else is an impostor
>>24003186>A mirror universe scenario would be the Federation being portrayed as evil and trying to conquer everyone.To be fair, that's basically the regular Federation after it curdles into a police state post-Char's Rebellion.And you can't fucking tell me "the Tee-tans appear with black uniforms and a giant asteroid fortress" have noble intentions.
My problem with these scenarios is that it's always hegemony vs hegemony: "Zeon replaces the Federation as the sole power in the Earth sphere". It's boring. Really boring.A much more interesting idea would be complete fragmentation, with coalitions shifting among regions and even individual warlords. History has a lot of examples:>The Warring States of China>The Sengoku period>the post-Alexander Wars of the Diadochi>the end of the Western Roman Empire>the petty kingdoms of the Holy Roman Empire>Italy before the Unification>the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire>the Warlord period of the Chinese Civil War>the breakup of YugoslaviaI could go on.What stops the various Sides and regions of Earth from declaring themselves independent?
>>24003498we already have that, it's called crossbone dust and the execution sucked
>>24003531That's because Yuuichi Hasegawa draws and writes garbage for literal toddlers.They honestly need some new fucking blood when it comes to Gundam sidestories. Ace is basically Hasegawa's kodomo shit, Ark Performance and whatever they sent to Tokita/Chiba.
>>24002761>>24002783>Char gets cucked by a neurotic 15 year old murder hobo Amuro>This domino effect leads to Zeon winning Sugasa Tomino
>>23996538It's called G-Quaks.
>>24003717Wait seriously? Like a duck quacking? I thought the Japanese just had poor English pronunciation when creating their titles. Do I seriously have to say quack just because the Japanese can't pronounce English letters?
>>24004730>Wait seriously? Like a duck quacking?more like Homestar Runner trying to say "crutch"
>>24004730>>24003717https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metasyntactic_variable#General_usage
>>23999829This you?
>>24005669He's got a point. The general theme of gundam is scenes of GMs mostly losing and then a scene or two of them getting totally blown the fuck out by an ace or MA and then zeon loses again.
>>24005681>The general theme of gundam is scenes of GMs mostly losingI thought the general theme of Gundam was that war is bad.
>>24005669I'm not the guy you're replying to or the guy in that screencap but frankly I can agree with both. At this point I've seen an absurd amount of endless, pedantic arguments on this very board where some people's logic boils down to "How can the Earth Federation win when their guys blow up so much?"
>>24005989>"How can the Earth Federation win when their guys blow up so much?"I could go with the usual counterpoints of "Numbers + Gundams Divided by Zeon command being retarded", but really I just want to know why the fuck is it so important for people who watch Gundam to self insert as nameless NPCs? Do feds hate themselves that much that they need to larp as a rando in a GM that they know is going to get blown up? What is the goal here?
>>24005683It's about how adults are evil. Tomino and yasuhiko specifically wanted to not demonize war or the military in gundam.
>>24003498Because Sides 1, 2, 4, 5, and 7 all got devastated during the war, and Zeon took over Granada immediately as well, so who exactly are you saying will be the major powers of the Earth Sphere?It's either "Zeon hegemony with minor Earth Federation holdouts" or "Zeon civil war" or (most implausibly imo) "Zeon cold war".Since Zeon is so enormously overstretched in trying to govern Earth, it makes sense there would be a hell of a lot of blind spots in their administration for rebels to hold out in (this was one of the better things 08th MS Team showed), that just because Zeon can take over the largest base in a region with their mobile suits, doesn't mean twenty MS and some light aircraft can actually lock down a region of hundreds or even thousands of square miles). Like it would realistically make the Zeon holdouts in Africa in canon look like a tiny, meaningless hindrance.I think since constituent countries still exist within the Earth Federation (like there still is at least an administrative region called "the United States of America", or "Japan", or whatever) we might see the return of nationalism in parts of Earth, as they try to shed the bad memories of the myopic Federation while still asserting independence from spacenoids by reviving old identities.
>>24003717>>24004730It's pronounced G-Kwux. Or G-Kwucks if that helps you understand it easier. That's what they say every time in the show.
>>23996538childhood is thinking zeon was evil and nazi likeadult hood is realizing feds where worse.
>>23996557Wrong image. This is what he drank.
>>23996616>After watching Japan make GquuuuxThe whole point of that timeline is not "Zeon won", the show is not concerned about telling a story about the consequences of Zeon's victory, but how Lalah creating a new timeline where Char doesn't die to Amuro results in a tomato and space Chihaya Kisaragi going to Earth.
>>24006773>worse than the still genocidal, openly defiant terrorist factionYou spacenoids are something else
>>23996652>UC 0079: Char's infiltration of Jaburo is a success. The White Base kids stopped for ice cream or something and don't discover the bombs, and the GM production line is destroyed and the production facilities are significantly damaged>The Federation fleet is still launched, but without their hordes of GMs the battle of A Baoa Qu leads to a stalemate. >Zeon has still been pushed off of Earth but maintains control of space>UC 0080: The Federation sues for peace and an armistice is signed >UC 0080-0085: Various territories on Earth such as North America and Africa secede from the weakened Federation due to widespread ecological damage the and the presence of Zeon remnants agitators. These territories join the Principality as protectorate alongside several colonies and a fourth drop operation is made from space by Zeon to occupy these areas.>The terms of the armistice prohibit the Federation from developing new mobile suits and also place hard limits on the size of the Federation military, but they secretly continue development of mobile suits in hidden base and colonies.>The Zeon military standardizes on the Gelgoog as their mass production mobile suit, but older units like Zakus and Doms are commonly used for garrison duties in Earth Protectorates. >Border skirmishes are common on Earth and in space (think the DMZ on Korea)>0087: A Zeon occupation soldier mistakes a student on Gryps colony for a girl because of his feminine name...
>>24006791Is there one of these where it is just a can of Strong Zero?
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>>24006967Hell yes thank you.
>>24006939>The Federation fleet is still launched, but without their hordes of GMs the battle of A Baoa Qu leads to a stalemate. Without their hordes of GMs to protect the ships, the Federation fleet is stopped at Solomon. Hell they are probably stopped before they reach Solomon. Without mobile suits to protect them, the fleet would be harassed and picked apart before they even reach Solomon. >The terms of the armistice prohibit the Federation from developing new mobile suits and also place hard limits on the size of the Federation military, but they secretly continue development of mobile suits in hidden base and colonies. Zeon probably doesn't have the leverage to negotiate these terms. At best, Zeon could probably negotiate that the Federation will not expand any further into space. Luna 2 will be their only outpost. All other Sides will remain officially neutral and leave the Federation.
>>24006994>Without their hordes of GMs to protect the ships, the Federation fleet is stopped at Solomon. Hell they are probably stopped before they reach Solomon. Without mobile suits to protect them, the fleet would be harassed and picked apart before they even reach Solomon.My apologies, I'm posting while at work and got the two mixed up. >>24006994>Zeon probably doesn't have the leverage to negotiate these terms. At best, Zeon could probably negotiate that the Federation will not expand any further into space. Luna 2 will be their only outpost. All other Sides will remain officially neutral and leave the Federation.Zeon could threaten further colony drops if the Federation were to openly re-arm, but it would be mostly a bluff. The Sides had all been devastated from the One Week War and the Federation could always bust out nukes again. Both sides agree to the armistice but neither really intends to abide by it.
>>24007141>The Sides had all been devastated from the One Week War and the Federation could always bust out nukes againI don't disagree. But doesn't Zeon have nukes too? Zeon = colony drops + asteroid drops + nukesFederation = nukes Zeon has at least 3 different weapons of mass destruction VS the Federation's 1 weapon of mass destruction.
>>24006751>Because Sides 1, 2, 4, 5, and 7 all got devastated during the warAs it has been argued elsewhere, the extent of the Sides's devastation has been retconned to no end. For instance, The Origin has only Hatte fully destroyed and some Loum colonies damaged in the crossfire. It's to be assumed that Zahn and Mua are still more or less intact.And Side 7 was never destroyed in any of the continuities; it was a single colony still under construction when Zeon infiltrated it.>so who exactly are you saying will be the major powers of the Earth Sphere?Nobody. There might be one big dog around (historical examples: Prussia, Serbia, Russian Federation), but it would be a comparatively rump state to the old big empire.>I think since constituent countries still exist within the Earth Federation (like there still is at least an administrative region called "the United States of America", or "Japan", or whatever) we might see the return of nationalism in parts of Earth, as they try to shed the bad memories of the myopic Federation while still asserting independence from spacenoids by reviving old identities.Finally you figure it out. While the historically homogeneous Japanese can easily imagine a post-national world, regional identities are not as easy to forget in the real world. Ask the Italians: Venetians and Sicilians grab to their customs to this day.
>>24006773>adult hood is realizing feds where worse.The feds were scheming bastards, corrupt assholes and dumb dickheads, but so was the entire zeonic command chain. Zeon funneling resources into highly ineffective pet projects was the biggest reason for their defeat, followed by the incessant childish backstabbing.>but Gcucks showed that Zeon winning would lead to peace! Peace!Every single lost OYW war in UC is a result of seething zeonic sore losers using terrorism and propaganda to keep the war effort going.GQuuuuuuX feds basically fucked off and let Zeon do whatever the fuck they wanted.
>>24007171>Zeon funneling resources into highly ineffective pet projectsWunderwaffe are stupid and wasteful... except when they win you the war. The development of the B-29 was more expensive than the Manhattan Project.>GQuuuuuuX feds basically fucked off and let Zeon do whatever the fuck they wanted.This is called "losing a war". Even the Titans are a shoestring operation that can only do some podunk terrorism. It's highly likely that they're fully funded by Gihren.
>>24007171>Zeon funneling resources into highly ineffective pet projects was the biggest reason for their defeat,No. You are talking tactical issues. Strategically, the biggest reason for Zeon's defeat was constant blunders at critical moments when they had the upper hand. >Letting Revil escape despite winning at the Battle of Loum. >Failing to secure a proper surrender. >Not destroying Luna 2 and letting the Feds keep it.>Not finishing off Jaburo. >The entire Earth landing operation should have immediately focused all troops onto Jaburo.>Granada production focusing on ships and not mobile suits. >Not deploying the brand new Rick Doms to all Troops at Odessa despite having plenty of units available. >Letting Odessa fall>Not properly destroying Jaburo later on. >Not using proper explosives to take out the GM factories. >Letting Char make strategic decisions for the entire army to attack Jaburo. >Using the wrong mobile suits to attack Jaburo. >Not deploying mobile armors to attack Jaburo (Aspsarus 1 and 2)>Not increasing mobile suit production during the war.Just to many points where Zeon dropped the ball despite being in control.
>>24007220>Failing to secure a proper surrender.Revil's escape aside, it was very difficult for Zeon to have secured a surrender at that stage. Even with the devastation of Operation British, the Federation still had significant firepower and, more importantly, the will to keep fighting.Only a complete fool believes that they won't get marred into a war of attrition with a determined enemy.>Not destroying Luna 2 and letting the Feds keep it.This is as dumb as asking "why didn't the Nazis take out the UK when they had the chance?">Letting Odessa fallEasier said than done. And the alternative would've been what? Lose valuable resources to keep a worthless fortification?It would've been easier for the Federation to skip Odessa entirely, proceed with the rest of the campaign and move on it when it was fully surrounded. That's what Von Manstein did with Sevastopol during Barbarossa.
>>24003717This.
>>23996538They might as well be because modern UC wanks off Zeon too much when the originals titled towards the Federation even if they're not perfect.
>>23996538>>23996538I'll take a crack at it too. >U.C. 0079. The Battle of Loum. The first major space battle of the One Year War. One nation, fielding revolutionary technology, vs. the world's largest hegemony. It's a stalemate. >General Revil dies in combat. He's remembered as a hero. Likewise, as morale falls among the Zeonic people, Ghiren Zabi is assassinated by loyalists to Kycilia's faction. He too, will go on to be remembered fondly by the people of Zeon. Militants and nationalists will go on to paint him as a martyr to the cause.>With Ghiren dead. Plans for an invasion of Earth fall apart. The wonder weapons that Zeon was famous for in the original timeline never come to pass. The early days of the war are defined by duels between Guncannons and Zaku IIs. > With Ghiren dead, Zeon enters a political crisis, Kycillia's involvement in his death is revealed to the public. A scandal for the Zabi family. Degwin, already old, and on the verge of retirement, steps down. And reluctantly, Ramba Ral, whose family had a history in politics, takes his place. Ral resolves to fight a defensive war. Zeon's strategy shifts. It focuses on attacking the Federation's supply lines, and slowly breaking the enemy's logistics. > Zeon's focus on a defensive war means that it never gets to attack Side 7. The Gundam never falls into the hands of Amuro Ray. Never becoming "The weapon that won the war." The doctrine of ace prototypes and one off units that defined the original U.C. never takes off. The Federation will go on to mass produce the GM. Though, ironically, the Gundam's head would go on to be used in some production runs of the GM. Affectionately known as the Gundam-Head by its pilots, Gundam-Head GMs would have a decent track record in MS vs MS combat.>U.C. 0080. The war drags on. Anaheim Electronics starts selling parts to Zeon behind the scenes. The Federation continues to funnel resources into what's slowly becoming an unpopular war.
>>240099606 out of 10. It's too balanced to either side.>Zeon and the Federation happen to lose both their top leadership at the same time? Too convenient. Would be a bit more interesting if, say, the Federation gets completely beheaded in Loum: they snag a Pyrrhic victory, but Revil, Gopp, Wakkein, Tianem. etc are KIA (think Second Tiamat from the LoGH Gaiden). This means they can't take advantage of the drama happening in Zeon.>Speaking of, points for the Zabi court politics.>This scenario spells an attrition war in space, with Sides changing hands by the month, if not by the week. Think WWI or Ukraine.>"Gundam-Head GMs" are literally a thing from Thunderbolt.>What does Zeon gain from buying from Anaheim, if their own war R&D gives them an advantage already? AE's bread and butter was efficient designs, not wunderwaffe, which is what Zeon would need to break the stalemate, rather than UMP-style incremental upgrades.
>>24009960lets fix this--> The war never officially ends, but instead a ceasefire is signed.> zeon strengthens its position amongst the colonies>the Earth Federation, having suffered severe loses retreats slightly from space. plans to turn Earth into a fortress world are enacted by the new Federation leadership that emerges from the end of the conflict> several colonies declare themselves neutral, keeping ties with both factions>as Zeon's internal civil war continues, constant proxy conflicts are fought among these neutral zones.>the war never ends. Fed spec ops, puppet states and zeon factions fight low intensity conflicts on all theaters>Anaheim makes BANKJohn Clamsys : mobile suit gundam
>>24009992>zeon strengthens its position amongst the coloniesWhich colonies?! The Sides were reduced to Zeon and Side 6 after the One Week War (Side 7 was a new development with a single cylinder), and Riah had a lot of pro-Zeon inclinations already.Imagine if WWII had started out with the Nazis nuking Belgium, the Netherlands and France, only leaving the Iberians as "neutral". That's the level of devastation we're dealing with here.
>>24010010they just need to stop gassin em, i dunno
>>24007169>cling to their customsFTFY
>fighting for Spacenoid independence>start the war by gassing Spacenoidswhy
>>23996538SPACENOID BABES FOR ALL!
>>24015715For me, it’s the cutie Zeon girl in 08th MS Team
>>24003223Don't forget how that the fate of the entire universe is centered around Char.It's funny how Origin and Quacks suck him off despite him being such a jobber that he still loses to 79 Amuro while piloting the Sazabi.There's also the fact the Lalah loved both Char and Amuro while in GX she only gives a fuck about Char>AnnoThis 90% Tsurumaki, who not only raped Gundam with Quacks but also Gunbuster with Diebuster
>>24016272Fucking criminal Bandai skipped out on making a HG for it.
>>24016272>while in GX she only gives a fuck about CharYou know this bullshit is easily disproven, right?
>>23996538https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j4wcof73H8 (GQUUX timeline)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC_jA8AJivU (Zeon wins at Jaburo)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmRT6MwJfJ8 (Perfect Timeline)
>go to listen to my fav video of Gihren's Speech>Bandai has a claim on it nowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9FcOICqEQEgoddamn it
>>24006902yes, the feds genocided the people of earth forced displacment by moving them to space, then the select few they allow to return are hunted down by manhunters for game. meanwhile all the rich feddies livin it up on earth.
>>23996652None. When Zeon won, there won't be stories to tell anymore because everyone lived happily ever after
>>24015689no one has a good answer for that
>>24019273>the feds genocided the people of earthHorseshit.
>>24015722I can only think of two: Anya and sex-changed Wufei. Is there another?
>>24015689they were different spacenoids, they're not like us. Balkans in space.
>>23996538well you see a magical purple blackhole would open up and a weird hobo would try to fuck a woman who looks like a fish and a strange cat lady mutant chick would run away with zeon officer and then uhh im not sure really probably strange references to japanese anime
>>23996538assuming a boring answer with all the main characters of gundam dead and not around to somehow change history earth gets defanged and probably broken back up into more autonomous countries that all need zeons blessing in order to do anything in space and are encouraged to fight one another in order to keep earth focused on itselfzeon has a stalin phase but with hardcore zabist space nazis. eventually things reform and get less fanatical.friendly and neutral colonies mostly get left alone or have their own form of less authoritarian newtype politics, hostile colonies get the east Berlin treatment with zeon stasieventually earth or the big earth nations get some kinda space military back, newtypes are accepted as the future of human spirituality, humanity expands to the solar system and beyond and at that point large scale conflict is a non issue as newtypes and the vastness of space mean theres nothing to really fight over and no misunderstandings
