Those are the ugliest gundams ever.The backpack is retarded.AlsoAlex Gundam > Ground GundamThey should have done the RG Alex with the optional chouban armor.
>>23996826They look cool.
>>23996826It kind of makes me think of metal slug so I like it
Not a real gundam.It is just a GM with a gundam head.
>>23996826I like both. Also the base GP01.
>>23996826He's blocky and basic, that makes him perfect for customizing. Also, army building.I'm pretty sure the Alex will happen eventually anyway
>>23996826they have some of the coolest looking feet in the gundam franchise, which at this period of time is filled with ugly clog stomping shit, plus it's a grounded series with not a lot of bullshit newtype magic
>>23996931And a really cool OP!
>>23996931>a grounded series with not a lot of bullshit newtype magicShiro is definitely a newtype.
>>23996826I prefer gritty and tactical mobile suits to space magic fantasy stuff
>>23996981So, Gundam as a whole really isn't your thing?
>>23996826>Why do people like 08th ms team?It feels like a soldier-like Gundam, that still resembles a Gundam in a very direct way, with the "traditional" color scheme.
>>23996826Saying Alex Gundam > means nothing, because Alex Gundam > EVERYTHING
>>23996826>choubanTell me you're a retard without telling me you're a retard.
>>23996826The RX-79[G] Gundam is great. It looks like military hardware, but still keeps the Gundam aesthetic. I have a soft spot for 08th MS Team, I bought the DVDs and probably watched it 100x as a kid. The first couple episodes are great but midway with the director change, i don’t like it as much. I liked the focus on objectives and squad tactics with Gundams.
>>23996957I think the EZ 8 has plot armor, since it can tank almost anything, but I don't think that makes the protag equivalent to some other mc's, unless you want to argue his new type ability is making things indestructible since he should have been blown away in the opening in his ball
>>23997066>watched it at 100 times speedA-anon
I love Ainaalso Norris is one of the coolest Gundam characters
>>23997131He dodges a Zaku machine gun at point blank range on foot. Also the way he falls in love with Aina is a retread of Gundam's earlier "MC loves the girl in the mobile armor" plot.
>>23996826/m/ likes shooty shooty bang bang without plot.
>>23997227>without plot
>>23996826Disgusting Katoki shit.
It was on adult swim when they were younger and it was the one that was most like the real world because it was closest to Vietnam or WWII or something which Americans obsess about.
>>23996826The Alex Gundam is the most forgotten gundam.
>>23997265I never watched any of the Gundam shows when they originally aired on Adult Swim. I'm only catching up now a few decades later.
If bandai ever did an RG Alex, and then released a full armor kit.How much would be it?I remember the RG unicorn banshee had an expansion kit with the claw, and it was fucking expensive for a fucking tiny claw, it was the price of an entire HG kit.
>>23996826its pretty cool and the show was kinda fun
>>23996981im glad the franchise can do both, too much newtype stuff and you get dangerously close to turning the sci fi into science fantasy
>>23996826>Those are the ugliest gundams ever.The Strike Freedom is waaay gaudier and ugly. too many colors off balance, no wonder something with all this gold appeals to the Chinese market.
>>23996826>Why do people like 08th ms team?They don't. They like the Gouf VS Gundam final battle. That's it. The rest of the series is a blur to most people.
>>23997319It will be about the same price as RG Ground Gundam. The HG and MG Alex has the Chobham armor, and they aren't priced that different to the HG and MG Ground Gundam.
>>23997362The bare tits were nice.
Many people didn’t and don’t care for the newtype magic bullshit. It’s vague none sense, and many cared for the more warlike aspect of 08th. It was like band of brothers and Gundam in one which is why many Americans love it
>>23996826Ground Gundam has more repaint and retool options for P-Bandai. RG Ground GM, RG Slave Wraith, RG Blue Destiny, etc.
08th is far worse than, for example, 0083, people just remember it more fondly because Aina isn't a stupid bitch like NinaIf Aina suddenly backstabbed Shiro to side with Ginias at the end nobody would like this show, they'd say it was trash aside from one cool fightIt's thematically shallow and tons of the characters basically don't matter at all. Why is Yuri here? Why did Norris not do anything until his big fight? Michel is good in literally one episode, the one with him and Eledore in a Zeon jail, and he's meant to be one of the main characters.
>>23997520Save for the last episode that wasn't aired in Toonami at the time of the broadcast run, 08th MS Team didn't have anything involving Newtypes.
>>23996826It's the Gundam people who don't know Gundam think Gundam is.
>>23997575>because Aina isn't a stupid bitch like NinaAina was pretty stupid. She could have eliminated the Federation forces in the area and then the evac shuttle could have launched safely. But instead she tried to negotiate a ceasefire which ended horribly. Her entire team was killed. Then she abandoned her post and ran away at the end to start a family with a Federation pilot she only met for 1 day.
>>23996927RGs aren't very good for army building, that's what HGs are for.
>>23997639>wanting peace and less bloodshed is bad
>>23997670Yes.
>>23997672Spacenoid hands typed this post.
>>23997639She met him a couple times. Once was on the derelict spacecraft. Another time was when they got abandoned together in the wilderness. The last time is of course at the end. She remembers him and stuff being a good guy the whole time.
>>23996826I like it because of the romance between Shiro and Aina.Is it wrong to be more invested in the characters in Gundam rather than the mechs? Like, cool robots are cool, sure, but having a pilot I like makes them way better. I know I wouldn't give two fucks about the Dijeh if Amuro didn't pilot it.
This new RG is just exceptionally ugly, terrible proportions, tiny arms, shoulders and head bolted onto a massive brick body, it looks ridiculous and the designers should be fired. The ground gundam itself is perfectly okay and the HG is much better proportioned.
>>23997953>>23997253Takigawa is the successor of Katoki now.This was Takigawa's illustration for a Ground Type Gundam, note the waist area resembling the new RG.Takigawa did the concept art for RG GP01, RG Gundam Mk-2, Nu Gundam, Sazabi and RX-78 2.0.
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>>23998040so who's the nigger responsible for the holes?
>>23998042soul>>23998044eww
>>23998059I dunno but every young aspiring mecha designer in japan right now is being brainwashed by greebles & holes thinking it's GOOD DESIGN.
>>23998042>>23998044I think those are cute!
>>23998042This doesn't have the raped shoulders though. Holy fuck are the RG's shoulders awful.
>>23998042Vanilla >>23996826Corrupted tattoo bimbo with her shapes formed up into overstimulating exaggeration
>>23998044>if Gundam was real, it would have all these holes and panelsBut y tho
>>23998156logistics & manufacturing interfacesrobot arms, cranes, and hangar adapters have to latch onto something at least for storage, maintenance, and service
>>23998164They can build a robot with functioning fingers but not a crane arm hand thing that can basically do the same thing grasping at panels without dropping them?
>>23998164It's pure faux realism. You put mounting points on the outside. Even tomino has grumbled about overly parted up armor, saying it makes them look weak.
>>23998207The only way to do that is with magnets, or suction. Easier to just use mounting points.
>>23996835factually wrong. the RX79s were made with rejected RX-78 parts, had the core blocks stripped out, and had limiters placed on them so they would all work at around the same level. they were made from GUNDAM PARTS.if that isn't a gundam, what is?
>>23998040>>23998042There are unfortunately significant differences between the line art and the RG model though, that's the problem. I don't think Takigawa does the prototyping rendering tooling etc. alone. Legs and body are too thick, arms 5 to 10% shorter and significantly thinner. Head similarly shrunken. It clearly looks off and disproportionate in a way the line art doesn't. The RG RX-78 2.0 had a similar problem but it is even more prominent with the Ground type.
>>23998164What if holes got damaged in battle? Do they just give up and go "Welp, we can't remove this without the helpful greebles...."
>>23998276At that point they would use chains and straps and like anon above said hard points. The holes are there for let’s say more honestly panel removal for when a piece is damaged and needs repair
>>23998276Are you retarded?
>>23998228Where did this retcon even come from anyways? It never fit right and sounded like huge backpedaling for why the Ground Gundam is a very different looking 90s Okawara Gundam instead of something classic like an MSV design.
>>23996826Gundam Ground Type and Ez-8 are the working man's Gundams, real salt of the Earth mobile suits.
>>23997722Oh wow. TWO times? I was SO off.Thats totally enough to tell a love story and explain her actions. I was hesitant at one meeting. But two meetings? Totally explains it all. I get it! No wonder Aina abandons her friends and family for a Federation pilot she just met. No wonder she kills her brother! It makes total sense.>The last time is of course at the end. That doesn't count. We're talking about total meetings before the final battle.
>>23997670>Entire Zeon story is about building this super weapon to end the war. >Teammates and Zeon soldiers fight desperately to buy everyone enough time to build it. >Everything is building up to this one final moment where the weapon is completed, and the war can be ended in Zeon victory. >Decide to throw it all away because Aina throws a tantrum and gets everyone killed. Wew. I can't tell if this story is a parody or a masterpiece.
>>23998351Nonsense. They are super special snowflake Gundams. They almost take no damage during the entire anime.
>>23998911That must be why one had a replacement head and another had to be rebuilt almost entirely.
>>23998925That was because of emotional damage, not physical, it doesn't count
So the Ground Gundam can't be called a grunt right?
>>23998925>That must be why one had a replacement head and another had to be rebuilt almost entirely.Oh wow. >1 damaged head and 1 damaged suit that somehow survived being dropped from 25,000 feet and could still function VS>Hordes of dead Zakus piled up, multiple destroyed Zeon bases, and thousands of dead Zeon troops. Totally fair!
>>23998930Why not, it was used by non-aces... wait>prototype suits, limited number>but also very limited in beam equipment>have to stick to conventional weaponry usuallyThe Ground GM is one, I'm pretty sure... so the Ground Gundam is grunt-adjacent? An elite grunt unit?
>>23998930It wasn't an elite grunt as even dummy pilots used them in the other squads as shown in 08th MS Team and there was no Amuro learning computer so all Feddie pilots were inexperienced.It is an expensive cost-inefficient early pre-production grunt unit with 25 units produced. Definitely not elite. The GM Sniper Custom was definitely more elite.
>>23998955>Definitely not elite. Sanders literally says the Ground Gundam handles way better than a GM. ITS DEFINITELY an elite suit.
>>23998937There is no need to exaggerate, especially not to that degree.
>>23998955>>23998971So it's having a Pershing where everyone else is operating Shermans.
>>23996826The mechanics in the show are great except for the Zaku Tank. The show is the best portrayal of the OYW in animation.The romance gives it an emotional heart that all the Tomino Gundams lack.
>>23999152But the Ez8 was the Pershing
>>23999160No, the Ez8 was Super Pershing, an upgunned version.
>>23998395>the war can be ended in Zeon victory.lol no it couldn't. Even if the Apsalus survived, it wouldn't have made a difference. Keep seething Black Knight.
>>23998911>They are super special snowflake GundamsAnd? I'd rather have a Gundam than a shitty GM. I don't know why gruntfaggots want to die so badly.
>>23999180I realize that image explicitly brings up the T26E4, but I thought the Ez8's replacement parts were far from a strict upgrade from its originals.
>>23998937Stay mad zeek bitch. They got the job done.
>>23998943It's a stopgap unit that was only intended to buy time until the GMs could get mass produced. While it still performed adequately (Enough that three of them were used for the Blue Destiny project), it was never going to get any more than at least 20 units produced. So while it's still too few to be considered a grunt unit, it also really doesn't count as an ace unit unless one gets customized to the absolute limit.
>>23998334it's not a retcon lol. when does the actual show ever say they're just GMs? never. Sanders outright says "so this is what a gundam feels like... it's totally different from a GM!"
>>23998955Ok well it's elite compared to the Ground GM but yeah. Like, what's considered an elite but not custom MS for comparison? Doven Wolves?>>23999243>it's still too few to be considered a grunt unit, it also really doesn't count as an ace unitYeah, it feels like it's just in a weird middle ground because of its development history
>>23999243>So while it's still too few to be considered a grunt unit, it also really doesn't count as an ace unit unless one gets customized to the absolute limit.Quantity doesn't matter as much when each ground Gundam was covered in thick layers of Luna Titanium and able to shrug off almost every single weapon Zeon had during the OYW.
>>23998937Because Zakus are outdated junk by the time MSG startsThey were cutting edge at Loum but it's been nine months since then and they are especially shit at anti-MS combat
>>23999368Then explain the hordes of destroyed Doms too
>>23999371doms are fast and fragile, they don't even have proper sabers. the heat rod has to be replaced after every battle because it's so cheap. the doms are compromises to create anti MS mobile suits, but they're shit. every zeon suit before the gelgoog is shit.
>>23999378>the heat rod has to be replaced after every battle because it's so cheap.Nonsense
>>23999378I thought the Doms were relatively scary but this is relieving to hearDo the Gouf next anon and the Gouf Custom please
>>23999378That still doesn't explain the Ground Gundam being able to shrug off 180mm rounds, rockets, and machine gun fire like it's nothing.
>>23999405well the RX-78-2 does in the original show, lol. they're made from the same materials. the RX-79 is just made of parts that didn't meet the quality standards of the prototype, but they're still the most durable materials in universe at the time.
>>23999405They are made from Lunar Titanium, same as the Gundam
>>23999407>well the RX-78-2 does in the original show, lol. Except it doesn't. The RX-78-2 was made of higher grade armor, but even Amuro had to dodge attacks. The Zeon 180mm rounds and rockets destroyed RX-78-2 shields and shattered the armor. Amuro said several times he would die if he took a direct hit. Yet somehow the Ground Gundam is just fine? Nonsense.
>>23999432Which scenes did the GG get struck? I remember them getting their shields struck and being pinned down at most
>>23997006I liked when newtypes could use funnels/bits, not when they are jedi with reality warping powers
>>23999441Battle in Three Dimensions, the extra episode they made for the blu-ray release had Karen hit directly to the chest by a magella top cannon. She's knocked out from the shock but the Ground Gundam is unharmed. The EZ8 also gets shot on the leg and torso (while Shiro is aiming the cannon and thus a stationary target). No damage done whatsoever to the leg and the chest gets some damage but obviously not enough to knock out Shiro.
>>23999596That's pretty in line with how new tanks fared against older models in various encounters in WW2. IIRC there was an IS-2 that took a frankly stupid amount of direct hits (even discounting the propaganda multiplier) and was fine.
>>23999611Are you implying the Ground Gundam is superior to the original Gundam?
>>23999619No, I'm implying it's a reasonable depiction of wartime technological advancement in military hardware in general. Didn't see the discussion upthread that this was in context of comparing the two MS.
>>23999378>every zeon suit before the gelgoog is shit.That's some bullshit. Doms are considered some pretty scary by most seasoned fed pilots because of how fast and durable they are on top of how much firepower they pack. One cannon ball to the cockpit is all it takes to kill a GM or Guncannon.>>23999405This is the appropriate use of 'plot armor' as a term. If the ground gundams were more plentiful, we would likely see a few more actually getting wrecked instead of just one as the opening shot of episode 1. Pretty sure someone at Banrise insisted they can't show gundams jobbing too hard since gundams are supposed to be powerful. I know that kind of conflicts with everybody arguing that the ground gundam is actually shit, but I like to think if 08th was given more leeway, we would see more ground gundams getting fucked up.
>>23999587>I liked when newtypes could use funnels/bits, not when they are jedi with reality warping powersDid you not watch the scene with Amuro meeting Lalah for the first time? Or their mind linkage when they were fighting? Or the end when Amuro used his Newtype powers to guide everyone out of A Baoa Qu? I mean I get not caring for the reality warping bit that Unicorn and Narrative irrevocably ruined, but Newtypes have always been fucking jedi dude.
>>23999679NTA but it wasn't as combat-oriented thoughUsually you just had funnels or people just feeling really bad
>>23999416For the record, each alloy comes in different grades. The strongest Titanium Ceramic(post 0093 probably like Jesta) beats the strongest Luna Titanium.The strongest Steel Alloy(Gelgoog/Dom) still worse than the weakest Luna Titanium(Ground Type GM?)
>>23996826uhoh bad opinion alert!
>>23999596Magellas are odd because they went through a size retcon. They used to be fucking enormous and they got shrunk, so them and the magella cannon occupy a weird role in canon. Sometimes in videogames the megalla cannon is still big, but the magellas are small lolThis seems to have gone hand in hand with them diminishing at least a little as threats.
>>23999432That's because after the battle of jaburo. Zeon developed an "anti-gundam" warhead to be used in their standard weaponry. Still not as good as beam rifle, but good enough to give everybody a better chance.
>>24000255The original large version made the most sense. Especially since the Magella cannon could damage the RX-78-2 Gundam, and the turret was supposed to be able to fly. Being too small makes no sense.
I like it for the machines schlepping dirt and pissing lead innawoods and not because of the story. Wild, I know.
>>23998395>the war can be ended in Zeon victory.Zeon could potentially make some damage with the Apsalus on Earth, but just like every MA zeon designed, it is just a scary looking joke
>>24000400The big zam sweeps if it gets mass produced, otherwise I largely agree. Most zeon MAs are just too specialized.
>>23998911They're still literal Gundams with lunar titanium armor in a world of Zaku and GMs.
>>24000514Do not engage with the guy immensely butthurt about the bonus episode. It goes nowhere good.
>>24000514The problem with 08th Ms team is that the writers want to have it both ways. They want to have a gritty jungle warfare show that focuses on grunts. But they still want the grunts to have special Gundams. I think that bothers a lot of people.
>>24000854>They want to have a gritty jungle warfare show that focuses on grunts. But they still want the grunts to have special Gundams.Isn't that basically what most military fiction are these days? It doesn't sound that different from the stories of highly-trained and well-equipped navy seals crying about how hard they have it while mowing down a bunch of farmers and sheep herders at the same time.
>>24000854I feel like it being pitched as a war story and then actually being a story about a pacifist superhero who fights for love being more of an issue. 08th was always a bit of a fraud case but a solid amount of the fans literally just watched the opening and the gouf custom fight and tuned out the rest, so I guess it didn't even matter.
>>24000854Another major problem is the 08th MS Team had a director change half way through the series. It suffered the same problems as 0083.
>>24000875Gundam Thunderbolt did a pretty great job with its Jungle scenes. The Acguys fighting the Zannys were handled well. No one had invincible plot armor and both sides took losses.
>>24000881Why is every director but Tomino so allergic to mobile suits being mobile?
>>24000894There's lots of directors with super agile MS though, just look at the AUs. It's really more directors who want to go for "gritty low tech grounded MS combat" that generally do slow mobile suits.
>>24000933>There's lots of directors with super agile MS though, just look at the AUsYou mean SEED and its recycled animation cuts?
>>23996826gonna buy three and kitbash the gm and ez8
>>24000879A director change is not gonna change up production that much, productions are finished ahead of time and suddenly changing story direction would cause chaos. Too many fans bring this up as a reason for disliking the story
>>24001056>A director change is not gonna change up production that much,Lmao. Say hello to 0083>productions are finished ahead of timeEven more lmao. Many anime are worked on until the very last second. We have director interviews telling stories of them racing to the TV station to deliver the video tape for airing the Gundam episode that same day. >Too many fans bring this up as a reason for disliking the storyBecause it's the truth.
>>24000278I saw it as the Ground Gundam having better durability than the RX-78 due to lack of core fighter and computer, but this is offset by RX-78 having better mobility and space operations
>>24001063Issues this was an OVA so time constraints for tv aren’t as important.0083 works more so in my favor, just because the Gato and Nina romance is left field doesn’t mean unplanned or unintended, then a random mf replacing the director switched it up, it would have slowed down production greatly, like Tomino’s work on f91. It was most likely already story boarded and just kept course after the unfortunate death of the og director
>>24001075>Gato and Nina romance is left field doesn’t mean unplanned or unintendedExcept the Romance *was* unplanned. The new Director was brought on because Bandai was worried 0083 didn't have enough character development. That chasing Gato around and the mecha action wasn't enough.
>>23999681That's always been the idea. Newtypes are about understanding eachother without having to fight over it. Obviously this got lost in translation when Zeta rolled around and sunrise doubled down on selling toys and making cool psychic visuals instead of just telling a story about how war breaks people.
>>2400087508th MS Team paved way for many manga and video game side stories from 1996-2014 where it is UC and requires a Gundam as the protagonist MS but isn't as strong as Amuro.Ground Type Gundam or an Advanced GM set the minimum level of a protagonist MS.
>>24001056>A director change is not gonna change up production that much, productions are finished ahead of time and suddenly changing story direction would cause chaosWing is pretty highly documented as being a total shitshow that constantly changed during production so bad they hired a new guy to give it a direction and change it less. It happens.
>>24001063>We have director interviews telling stories of them racing to the TV station to deliver the video tape for airing the Gundam episode that same day.this is Evangelion anecdote.
>>24001092>Except the Romance *was* unplanned.Love triangle was always on the card, just because it's written badly and feels like it came out of nowhere doesn't mean it is.
>>24001437>Love triangle was always on the card, just because it's written badly and feels like it came out of nowhere >doesn't mean it is.These two don't mix.
>>23999237Shiro's Ez8 is a slightly tweaked RX-79 put together with whatever they had on hand, combined with, iirc, the remains of his actual RX79. it isn't strictly superior in any way other than being up-armoured because of the lack of lunar titanium to make replacement armour for the internals. the chest is literally two zaku shields welded together and painted. most of its modifications are exterior things like the extra vulcan gun, and the V Fin being replaced by a normal antenna set.>>23999596lol. i haven't seen this since it's way later, but lol. i can't really refute it, but the actual OVA doesn't show the RX-79's tanking hits that way. if anything, Shiro is shown to be a dumbfuck that wrecks his impossible to repair mobile suit on the regular. he's still my husband but he's also dumb for being so reckless.>>23999678this would be the case for any mobile suit during any period. the bazooka isn't exclusive to the Dom. the gundam's Hyper Bazooka would be destructive too if you hit the cockpit. there's a reason Shiro's custom mobile suit has an up-armoured cockpit: it's a mobile suit designed by a soldier. we see the same types of modifications with the Zeta Gundam; Anaheim builds it to Kamille's personal specs based on his combat experience; the Zeta is a transforming MS designed by a soldier, not suits.otherwise, i agree; 08th just isn't allowed to show gundams being destroyed too regularly. Shiro's gets absolutely demolished because Shiro is a very silly boy, but that's it.>>23999679>>23999681did you both miss ZZ Gundam? there is an episode where a girl deflects a missile *and* a mobile suit's foot with her newtype powers.>>24000854>>24000875i think this is somewhat fair, but the RX79's are probably the only "actually, the feds had another gundam" story i don't hate. the Alex is fine, since it was developed for Amuro and was simply never delivered, but the silly things like the unit 3-5 bothered me, and i like the GP series.
>>24000878this is unfair, i think. Shiro isn't a superhero, and he takes the most damage out of every pilot in the show that doesn't die in battle. actually, Shiro ends up losing limbs and having to run away because he's never going to be allowed to live a regular life.also, Shiro isn't a pacifist at all. he loves Aina, but he has horrible trauma issues because of Side 2. >>24001063i agree about 0083, but i still think 0083 has a good story in the end. i cannot give my opinions on Nina because nobody here will like me anymore, lol. in any case, 08ths director changing didn't affect the story negatively. >>24001171very true, lol. i like 08th, but the successors that allow the feds to print Gundams to use during the OYW are silly. i also will concede on the Blue Destiny series, because they're RX79s that were developed and upgraded into evangelions.
>>24001546The RX-79G has a decent excuse for existing too. It's supposed to be based around rejected parts from the RX-78 program. Earlier part revisions and shit that didn't pass QC reused to create a viable machine now instead of a perfect machine later, built around the lower complexity goal of just ground operation and no core fighter.I don't think the show ever goes into it but I could also totally see inter-branch shit-flinging about the EFGF wanting their own program instead of hoping the EFSF doesn't completely fuck up the flagship one.
>>24001546>Shiro's Ez8 is a slightly tweaked RX-79 put together with whatever they had on hand, combined with, iirc, the remains of his actual RX79. it isn't strictly superior in any way other than being up-armoured because of the lack of lunar titanium to make replacement armour for the internals. the chest is literally two zaku shields welded together and painted. most of its modifications are exterior things like the extra vulcan gun, and the V Fin being replaced by a normal antenna set.Right, which would make the Super Pershing a poor comparison, since to my knowledge that's just a Pershing with a bigger gun, rather than cobbled together replacement parts. The Ez8 really ought to be straight up worse than it used to be, though perhaps better suited to its current theatre (can't imagine V-fins are more rugged than the little nub antenna).
>>24001571i'm pretty sure the Ground GM and Ground Gundam are a result of Kojima whining that the zeons were destroying his battalion in SEA because they didn't have any mobile suits to fight with. Sanders is testing a GM Early Type during the show's first episode, but aside from that, the GMs weren't (officially) being deployed for a while, right? the RX79s being thrown together with rejected parts and made very cheaply, relatively speaking, makes perfect sense. the show doesn't really show that the RX79s all have internal issues, either, but i think it's a nice detail that shows how cheap they really are. you can't rely on them for very long, because they're cheaply made and have no replacement parts. the Blue Destiny series also being RX79s that the federation actually cared about keeping functional is also fine. the Alex is also fine. i'm fine with OYW stories, but they don't have to all be about A gundam! they can be about actual grunts using GMs and such.
>>24001587yes, the Ez8 is a reference to the Easy-Eight Sherman, but it's little more than a reference i think. i think they literally JUST wanted another WWII reference in the show, since "Ez8" actually is "extra zero-eight" in the show's context. i wouldn't think too hard about the reference, personally. of course, it's my husband's MS, so i love it regardless of how logical the reference is.
>>24001592Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm fond of the thing myself. Didn't know about the direct Sherman reference (my tank lore is less than ideal), so thanks for that.
>>24001603oh, it's no problem! the Easy-Eight is kind of a silly reference to make, since the actual tank was still just... a sherman with some extra plates, essentially. a slightly bigger gun, i thiiink? i forget.
>>24001102>That's always been the idea. Newtypes are about understanding eachother without having to fight over it.Yeah>Obviously this got lost in translation when Zeta rolled aroundGoodbye
>>24001546>did you both miss ZZ Gundam?No, but I missed you>there is an episode where a girl deflects a missile *and* a mobile suit's foot with her newtype powers.Blame my bad subtitles, or whatever you want with me.
>>23996826I love the ground type Gundam and GM
>>24001550>Shiro isn't a superhero,
>>24001968Perfectly doable in real life. You act like missiles are hitscan.
>>24001968His ears should be hurting
>>24002032Tell that to real-life soldiers.
>>24001968The writers of 8th MS loved Metal Slug apparently.I mean can you name a single soul that doesn't?
>>24002038They wouldn't be able to hear him.
>>24002071WHAT
>>24001968what if they just missed? what if he just dodged and got farther from something that wasn't even gonna hit him anyway? what if, since he is our protagonist, its simply embellished to reflect how he felt in that situation?
>>24001588>the GMs weren't (officially) being deployed for a while, right? They already had Ground GMs.
>>24001550>in any case, 08ths director changing didn't affect the story negatively. There's a clear difference between the later half and the earlier half of episodes. The later of the series gets more "serious", full of character drama, and Shiro constantly preaching about pacifism and not wanting to kill. The first half was mostly fun adventures of fighting Zeon in the jungle while working with the local jungle residents like Kiki. Zeon were treated more like Team Rocket from pokemon with they were constantly defeated but return the next episode. The characters also struggle to with Aina's writing. One episode she is dedicated to family, friends, and helping her brother. The next episode she treats her brother like he's diet Gihren and she wants to kill him. There is definitely tonal whiplash between Directors.
>>24001550>i cannot give my opinions on Nina because nobody here will like me anymoreI didn't think she was that bad desu
>>24001737ZZ subs are quite bad sometimes, yes. and the only good subs are now no longer available officially, because crunchyroll is evil.>>24002205...yes, because Kojima wanted them because he was losing badly to the zeons.>>24002254Aina's writing is a bit inconsistent at times, but it isn't quite so bad. also, Aina loves her brother, but she can tell that Ginias is an evil man hell bent on his personal ambitions.>>24002779Nina is a woman who has flaws and breaks under the stress of war, but i don't think she's a bad person. certainly, she should not be on a list of "top 10 worst gundam characters", or even "top 10 worst gundam women". even just UC must have many, many worse characters than Nina.
>>24000255I think the middle one made the most realistic sense as standard
Can anybody list a reason people hate Katoki?I'm guessing this has to do with a lot of ports and unnecessary gimble/grebble throw on otherwise clean panels.
>>24006747>...yes, because Kojima wanted them because he was losing badly to the zeons.This was never shown in the anime. Zeon was never shown to be winning during the Jungle battles on Earth. Not even once. It was constant defeats and retreats.
>>24006747>Nina is a woman who has flaws and breaks under the stress of war, but i don't think she's a bad person. Nina got an entire medical evacuation transport destroyed because she refused to provide covering fire and follow orders. Several hundred to maybe a few thousand were killed. Yet somehow she gets a happy ending with Shiro.
>>24006955>Nina haters just making up crimes now
>>24007162Oh damn. I got confused. I mixed up one blonde woman with the other blonde woman. Every freaking Gundam series has blonde women.
>>24007164Still pretty confused if you can't tell green from blonde.
>>24007182>greenApparently you've never heard of platinum blonde.
>>23996826It's MASH, but with robots.
>>24007241You really need to recalibrate whatever you watched the show on.
>>2400718208th MS team focused on characters having natural hair colors. Aina is a blonde.
>>24000356The only non-shitpost that I could find to agree with. 8th MS Team is a GROUNDED (lol) MILITARY FANTASY. Is it perfect? Nope. But what it does do is make my mecha pp really hard so suck it whiners I will buy the RG after I build my MG. UC haters can keep crying. We're not even the favorite of all time (SEED gets that).
>>24006951then why does he randomly have mobile suits months before the rest of the army does? what makes him special?>>24006955you mean Aina, and she's still a soldier. that's probably the least of her sins in war, since she's a zeon soldier and the sister of Ginias. ultimately, the romance was the point of the narrative and it works fine.
>>24007419Isn't that soldier from "the smell"?
>>24007863>ultimately, the romance was the point of the narrative and it works fine.The romance was awful. One of the worst written love stories in all of Gundam.
>>24007863>then why does he randomly have mobile suits months before the rest of the army does? what makes him special? He's not disputing the existence of mobile suits. Anon is saying that Kojima had Ground GMs before the start to the anime. The secondary point anon is also making is that Zeon was never shown to be actually winning. Every single episode is Zeon losing a battle
>>23996826I was more put off by a lot of the supporting cast.
>>24008257Kojima had GMs because he was whining that the EFF was losing. the Zakus excelled in destroying non-MS weapons. there are other gundam and GM teams before Shiro gets involved.
>>24007882the smell?
>>23999278Strangely enough, the Ground GM performs very similarly to the Ground Gundam. If he piloted one, it would have felt mostly the same.
>>23996826because they're slow.multi tonnes of metal teleporting is not realistic.
>>24001588>i'm pretty sure the Ground GM and Ground Gundam are a result of Kojima whining that the zeons were destroying his battalion in SEA because they didn't have any mobile suits to fight with.That was everyone's situation until mid-November.The real reason is because their intelligence caught wind of what would turn out to be the Apsalus Project and the implied threat of it justified deploying what few MS the Federation could muster that weren't busy gathering combat data (Example: Delta Team.)
>>24017228for all of the good that did Ginias, lol. the Apsalus project was such a waste.
>>24002254It's crazy that we got two OVAs from the 90s which are the best-looking Gundam anime and they have the same problem of going full retard in the second half. Literally all I want from Gundam is fun, small-scale adventures about fighting Zeons; is that so hard?
>>24017470...because of the efforts of the Kojima Battalion, with Shiro, Aina, and the 08th Team being a lynchpin in their success, because their tactics sure as shit were ineffective on their own. They'd have been royally fucked if Shiro and Aina weren't boinkin'.The Apsalus project was one of the very few Zeon superweapons that would have actually fucked the Federation hard, and had a good chance of success in spite of it's leadership's...personal problems...and that was stopped specifically because Shiro was a shitty soldier, but a competent and effective individual that was willing to forgo his (obviously ineffective) chain of command and followed his instinct/pecker.
>>23996826Because I liked it. I liked the jungle environment, I liked the unconventional combat compared to other gundam entries, and yes I liked the story and characters
>>24017760that's because they went full retard and gave the apsalus superpowers beyond all other zeon MAs, sure the zeong is a next generation technical wunderwaffe but then you have some crazy guy combine three doms along with other parts and the result is capable of vaporizing millions of tons of rock, metal, and other shit in a matter of seconds
>>24017516Yes you, the viewer needs to see the newtype love story retardation this has been mandated
>>24017760When your dick’s head proves to be better leadership than your actual dickhead bosses
>>23996826>Those are the ugliest gundams ever.Not when Mandala Gundam exists>The backpack is retarded.Wrong
