Remember when people would say that fujoshis were the original Gundam fans because of exaggerated twitter claims and badly translated interviews? I kinda miss it.
Back in those days /u/ was the best place to talk about Gundam. I really miss it. Now there's nowhere.
Fujos lie through their teeth. That's what feeds their collective delusions.
>>24017158Why would anyone go to /u/ to talk about Gundam? Gundam isn't yuri.
>>24017163I mean, it was kinda funny, like the woke version of the Toonami guy who watched Gundam Wing before all the normies came in. They saw themselves as the successors of some hypothetical fujoshi who saved Gundam in the early 80s, it was their form of saying "i was here before you, casual"
>>24017163>fujosThose are usually trannies spouting that shit.
>>24017171Their G-Witch threads were bustling when the anime was airing.
>>24017186Oh. I forgot G-Witch was even a thing. My bad.
>>24017154I don't mind if people say it because I guess it is kind of true to some extent (not that all Gundam fans were fujoshis, but that it's true there were a lot of fujoshis who were Gundam fans at the time), but it does piss me off when people connect this to Charmuro or say these fujoshis were all Charmuro shippers or whatever. Because all the stuff I've seen indicates Charmuro wasn't at all popular when 0079 was new, understandable since the characters only interact face-to-face like fucking twice, and only started to get popular in like the '90s maybe after Zeta and CCA had already been around for a while. Charmuro fans are already obnoxious enough without claiming "we've been here since the beginning man, we literally built this fandom" when it's not even true.At least if someone's into Char and Garma they have more of a basis for claiming this, since that was actually popular then
I don't think I've heard fujos, specifically, used for that very often. Women in general I have but that's also an exaggeration by people who want to claim Gundam for their gay ass identity politics.
Gundam character design isn't even that fuji-friendly - no super tall broad shoulder bishies ala Clamp
>>24017154No, it's just that gundamfags are retards who can't fucking read and took the women supported the show first thing and twisted that into being about fujoshis. Charma fans were important for early BL circles but regular female viewer was interested in the weekly soap opera drama aspect of Whitebase and not just watching it for two dudes to get it on.
>>24017154>badly translatednew cope dropped
>>24017354>took the women supported the show first thingWhich wasn't even true. Tomino said it based on his recollection of one event where he saw a lot of female fans coming by the studio to show support. Meanwhile pretty much everything and everyone else says the main audience was young boys.
>>24017388>Meanwhile pretty much everything and everyone else says the main audience was young boys.That was the intended/target audience, but it unexpectedly attracted different, older demographics that the show ended up being more popular with.
>>24017391>but it unexpectedly attracted different, older demographics that the show ended up being more popular with.No it didn't. The target audience was always adolescent to teenage boys which was its main audience. There was a disconnect with Clover's productization and the audience of the show. The literal pitch for Gundam was a copy of Battleship Yamato aimed at young males. The intended audience was junior high and high school boys from the start, and that was its main audience during the course of its show. Clover wanted to sell toys to elementary school kids and pushed mechs into the show but that didn't change the general premise of the show as a military space drama. Also, the DX toy actually didn't sell poorly. Clover fucked up and prematurely wanted to shorten their sponsorship only for the toys to sell well through the holidays and New Years as the show's finale was airing. You could say it had more girl fans than expected but the show was always for and mainly popular with boys.
>>24017388nah, early fans were women, but they were not just fujoshis cause that's different.
>>24017232it is the case that Char x Garma yaoi was extremely popular in the 70s, and was influential on both Gundam and BL as a whole. Zeta plays into it a lot with Char and Amuro's dialogue.>>24017388this isn't the case, either. you don't need to agree with him on everything, or like him, but Tomino was actually there; women were fans before anyone else was. Gundam was made FOR young boys, but teenage and adult women were the ones who were fans. the toys were a total disaster and Clover pulled out because their intended audience wasn't as receptive as Clover hoped. you can find JP fans talking about how bad the Clover toys were even today. read the comments on any of the Clover commercials that are on youtube.>>24017418the early fans were women, and many were fujos, but not a majority.
>>24017154>remember when people were telling the truth?yeah I do miss that
>>24017488The whole toy sales sucking, more women watching would repeat itself in 1988-1989 with another fujo-popular Sunrise show too. Didn't help those toys sucked.
I grew out of my yaoi phase in my 20s. I don't really miss it.
>>24017488>but Tomino was actually thereAnd he's wrong because we have better qualified sources who interacted with and/or organized said fans and they have actual records, unlike Tomino, who was just recalling stuff from memory. Same guy who forgot the plot of his own stories.https://note.com/tobita_kaoru/n/nf711bf710fa5> The final volume of "Mobile Suit Gundam Complete Records," published by Sunrise Japan, includes a special section dedicated to fanzines. Titled "Regarding the Unseen Cooperation in Gundam Production," it features fan-made publications. Of the 52 fanzines featured, at least 25 appear to be from female fans based on the publisher's name.> Furthermore, in the "Anime Review Announcement" section of the February 1981 issue of "Monthly OUT," which featured "Mobile Suit Gundam" as the theme, a total of 697 entries were received (10 times the number for Yamato), amounting to 6,000 pages of manuscript paper. Although the selection process was rigorous with no first-place winner, nine works made it to the final selection, and five received honorable mentions. Of the nine winning entries whose full texts were published, TWO were by women, and of the five honorable mentions whose names were announced, four were by women.> The reader submission sections of anime magazines at the time were filled with numerous parody comics using anime characters, and even just looking at a small portion of them reveals that there were many works by women that used Gundam as their subject matter. It can be seen that there were quite a few women who became fans and supported the series from the time it was airing, and that their numbers were ALMOST equal to those of men.
>>24017418And no, they weren't. The early fans were sci-fi otaku. Gundam's fandom was built on the back of Animec/Manific, a sci-fi centered magazine (read by boys mainly). Gundam was entering a genre with a built-in audience. That was the early fanbase, not girls. >and from issue 6 onwards, the editor-in-chief, based on his own discretion and personal preference, began to make " Mobile Suit Gundam, " which was receiving little attention at the time, the main focus of the magazine. In addition to interviews with director Yoshiyuki Tomino and other staff members, the magazine borrowed setting materials from Sunrise (which were not treated as confidential at the time and were not commonly covered in other magazines), and the articles utilizing these materials attracted attention, solidifying its reputation as "Animec, the magazine of criticism and setting material collections." This strategy proved successful, and the circulation steadily increased. When the cancellation of the "Gundam" broadcast was decided, the magazine produced a major special feature based on information provided directly by Yoshiyuki Tomino. The response was beyond expectations, and the number of copies printed exceeded 100,000.https://www.weblio.jp/content/%E3%82%A2%E3%83%8B%E3%83%A1%E3%83%83%E3%82%AF>Inoue:>The reason why I was able to interview Director Tomino as a part-time student at Animec is that Animek has a hugely popular special feature on Mobile Suit Gundam, and the editor-in-chief, Masanobu Komaki, worked at Sunrise, which produced Gundam. I became like a brain, making the complete collection of Gundam records from that time, and helping with movie promotion, so I wasn't really involved in editing work anymore. So, it really was a doujinshi-like world where a complete amateur suddenly did a special feature on the director.https://gigazine.net/gsc_news/en/20221213-fss-machiasobi25/#gsc.tab=0
>>24017488Here's also a poll from animage 1982, which had more female fans voting in the polls overall, yet more male Gundam fans voting for it to be the "best of all time" entry.https://soorce.hatenablog.com/entry/20061105/p1>The total number of votes was 13,286. The average age was 15.5 years old.>Males: 5,596 votes, average age 15.4 years old.>Females: 7,690 votes, average age 15.6 years old.>The voting period was from January 10th to February 9th, 1982.>Rank 1 Mobile Suit Gundam (TV)>male voters 1173>female voters 993
>>24017691>>February 1981I stopped reading here, this is so late it's not even worth discussing.
>>24017705That's one of THREE different sources she's recalling, retard.
>>24017695Gundam fans were sci fi otakus.&Early Gundam fans were sci fi otakus.These two are completely different sentences, none of what you posted proves the latter.
>>24017358>>24017506Keep bumping it.
>>24017388point isn't who was the main audience, it's who came first and supported the anime, which was girls.boys weren't watching the show yet and the show had low ratings to the point of getting cancelled.
>>24017232Charmuro fans can turn out so pretentious.Might be the prestige of CCA and conflating that with their shipping, like it owed everything to some sort of gripping elemental homoeroticism to those who can truly see.
>>24017232>it does piss me off when people connect this to Charmuro or say these fujoshis were all Charmuro shippers or whatever.barely anybody says this, you are making up people to get mad at.
>>24017745I see it all the time recently or I wouldn't have said that shit in the first place. If anyone says anything even vaguely negative about Charmuro as a pairing or even just says "yeah I don't actually believe Char and Amuro were actually gay for each other" (and I don't even mean saying it to a shipper, like just if they post this as a general statement) inevitably some Charmuro shipper or possibly just misinformed Gundam fan will jump in to say something like>hey put some respect on Charmuro, if it didn't exist Gundam would have ended after 0079 and you wouldn't be here right now to talk about it
>>24017709Retard, it specifically cites when Gundam was ailing and getting little attention. And Animec, a smaller publication, was relying on interns and fans as staff. Issues took at least a month or two to write and publish. You can see that from datemarked interviews.>>24017725No, it was sci-fi otaku. If there were that many early girl fans they wouldn't have gotten cancelled at all. Top girl's shows around the late 70s and 80s were pulling 15-20% viewership ratings easily. Also, the average viewership rates for Gundam's first run were consistent with its other entries, 5.3-5.5%. >>24017488>>24017626The DX set at the end of the year sold well enough that Clover asked Sunrise if they could extend the series, but it was already too late because staff started production of the final episodes. Multiple Japanese sites and at least one book, Gunpla Generation, cite this information. >However, sales of the updated "Gundam Combination Set" and "Gundam DX Combination Set," released for the year-end shopping season , were unexpectedly strong, leading to an anecdote that the sponsors, who had initially decided to shorten the series, actually suggested, "Is it possible to reverse the decision to shorten it?">As mentioned above, Clover's toys initially sold poorly, but around late September, the "Gundam Combination Set" was released, which added the function of combining with the Core Fighter. And, The "Gundam DX Combination Set," which includes the G-Fighter and can combine with it to form the G-Armor, will be released simultaneously. These products sold very well in anticipation of the year-end shopping season , and sales continued even after the show ended.https://dic.pixiv.net/a/%E3%82%AF%E3%83%AD%E3%83%BC%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC%E3%82%AC%E3%83%B3%E3%83%80%E3%83%A0
>>24017752"Sales continued even after the show ended" is not necessarily a good thing. They were still running ads for the G-Armor set well into the era of Dunbine and Srungle, which is Clover was about to die. They might have ended up overproducing DX Gundam sets and losing money. You saw some of them make their way out to Europe as Italy got their own (slightly unauthorized) dub of First Gundam. Usually when a Japanese company is offloading their wares overseas it means they have excess they want to make a little bit of cash on. The Xabungle toys were also kind of a bust since the big deluxe Iron Gear didn't come out in time to go with the series and those tiny Xabungle and Iron Gear toys ended up being bootlegged all around the world. https://youtu.be/zLqwsUsFV0s
>>24017769Read the rest of the article. Clover's bankruptcy wasn't actually caused by one unprofitable year. >Incidentally, while Clover's bankruptcy is often attributed to the failure of the anime series Aura Battler Dunbine, which was airing at the time , the real robot boom that began with Mobile Suit Gundam was showing signs of waning, and not just Clover, but every company was in a difficult situation, with even Bandai struggling with unprofitable productions. Although Dunbine was indeed unprofitable, it wasn't so unpopular that it would immediately lead to the company's bankruptcy, and it 's not widely known that the main reason for the actual bankruptcy was Clover's failed real estate investments, which were unrelated to robot anime.1979-81 were Clover's most profitable years, thanks to Gundam. Clover failed because they overextended investments, especially into real estate, and when Dunbine didn't do well, they couldn't pay their debt and declared bankruptcy. The original source is Great Mechanics G 2020 Summer.
>>24017752>If there were that many early girl fans they wouldn't have gotten cancelled at all.that is not what's being discussed.
>>24017695>Animec/Manific, a sci-fi centered magazine (read by boys mainly).it was an anime magazine, choice to publish Gundam was personal one from editor.
