Thread for discussing F90, F91, Crossbone, Victory & Friends.Last thread >>24017614
I like how Gunraid's default weapon is a smaller beam gun. It doubles down on the GM vibe compared to its contemporary grunts and also fits in with its competitor Jamesgun also using a small, lightweight beam rifle.Hardygun is the outlier here, carrying a regular sized rifle and having yet more firepower with the VSBR as well.It's really interesting how they all have such different design philosophies.
>>24028775scans doko?
is gaia gear canon? what is canon to UC past Victory?
>>24036854canon is a spook
>>24036556e-hentai and other usual sites have it
>>24036854G-Saviour is canon until stated otherwise or officially contradictedGG is disavowed by Tomino himself
>>24029207>I wish, but it seems like it means Magna, Super Destroid and possibly other variations.I think it could go either way really. If RGC-X was a competition in its own right logically it should have had other contenders, even if it seems like Super Destroid won in the end. There's mention of other manufacturers but for all we know even other branches of SNRI or especially Anaheim could have made their own attempts as well, just like how Hardygun and Jamesgun were made by different Anaheim teams.>Speaking of which I feel like is rather cool that Magna is now supposed to be the part of the same generation as Jamesguns / Javelins.That is very cool yeah, it's always great to see more info relating to James and Jav
>>24036930>If RGC-X was a competition in its own right logically it should have had other contenders, even if it seems like Super Destroid won in the end.I'm going just off the summary, but it made it seem like the one that won is Magna as it was the one that got mass-produced, while Super Destroid is poised as a custom job with only 14 MS built.Also it sounds like it was more of a companion piece to RGM-X winner, rather than a formal competition. And possibly, it means that those that lost RGM-X aren't really in the run as different platforms might make maintenance harder, even if all of them are kind of similar and can use the same equipment.But speaking of what could other competitors make, I'd imagine that the answer is simple. Granada branch Hardygun already can perform the function of RGC-like suit, so they would just have to re-enter it. SNRI would likely throw together something lazy, just throwing some equipment on F80, which got out of the box compatibility with F70 even having a variation with its backpack. Though it would have to use newer equipment that SNRI used while testing F71, like PWT configuration that a more performant base MS like F80 should utilize to a much better effect.
>>24036964>Magna as it was the one that got mass-produced, while Super Destroid is poised as a custom job with only 14 MS built.that would be correct, in my defense I can't read>more of a companion piece to RGM-X winner, rather than a formal competitionas U understand the competition is still a full blown event, just still second fiddle to RGM-X and naturally the winner is gonna have to be something that plays nice with RGM-X winner rather than the other way around. Which itself already makes one wonder what other options were considered if Jamesgun hasn't won>I'd imagine that the answer is simpleyeah like you say, the easiest bets are probably Hardygun maybe adjusted for more focus on mid-range support and lower overall specs plus literally just F80 I guess. Though granted, they want a beam shield countermeasure so F80 for RGC-X would probably be also rocking something like a low-spec but refined version of the V-Type mission pack, probably mixed with Heavygun's PWT gearI'm just wondering if there's room for some radically different option like suddenly F72 coming in with a steel chair even if it amounts to nothing in the end. I hope we get a some more new Formula series designs in Cluster after F80, besides mission packs.
>>24036971>yeah like you say, the easiest bets are probably Hardygun maybe adjusted for more focus on mid-range support and lower overall specs plus literally just F80 I guess. Though granted, they want a beam shield countermeasure so F80 for RGC-X would probably be also rocking something like a low-spec but refined version of the V-Type mission pack, probably mixed with Heavygun's PWT gearI forgot to mention the modified B-pack cannons from Galemson's F71. Those might even be an overkill though, though the power of the beams surely can be fine-tuned.As well as the fact that RGM series MS were used as a mid-range support all the time, so the practice isn't new. GM III most of its life was used like that while fully armed with missile pods.>I'm just wondering if there's room for some radically different option like suddenly F72 coming in with a steel chair even if it amounts to nothing in the end. I hope we get a some more new Formula series designs in Cluster after F80, besides mission packs.It could happen, but I imagine that if it would happen it wouldn't be F8 or F7 series. Both because of cutting losses, actually cooperating with some parts of Anaheim behind the scenes and having an interest on working with the high part of high and low mix as it allows to make a higher cost suits. At best, we might see a half-baked one-off prototype of F60 that was canned. Not saying I personally wouldn't want more of F7 and F8 btw.F92 to F96 though? F00? Crazier variants of MP F91? All sound like fair game.
>>24036854G-saviour.last gundam pilot to ever exist in UC is Reed Fox.
>>24036996>As well as the fact that RGM series MS were used as a mid-range support all the time, so the practice isn't newTrue, but it's been acknowledged even conventional mid-range suits struggle to maintain distance now. Just simply stick heavy weapons onto the unit doesn't cut it's hence Magna has a lot of mobility upgrades too. Incidentally I wonder if later modernised models of it had beam shields...>GM III most of its life was used like that while fully armed with missile pods.I wouldn't really say that, the missile can launch a barrage or two but then they're purged as dead weight, it's not really dedicated support unit material. I remember its MMM even noted this doctrine is more similar to Kampfer than anything else.>At best, we might see a half-baked one-off prototype of F60 that was canned.I, for one, am still betting on a post-Crossbone unit. F6 series seems to have been cancelled in rather early stages, I doubt there was even an idea for a prototype. Rather, it'd be cool to see the line (briefly) revived later on using Crossbone data, think Flint with further budget cuts. I admit I mostly want this just so the uninitiated are even more confused how one of the last Formula suits would have a lower number than all the rest lol
I wonder if UC NEXT is a genuine "let's focus more on late UC" project or if it's just a fancy name for the hathaway movies (which aren't even late UC imho)
>>24037928Given the F90 manga alone have already done more to expand late UC as a whole than anything since Victory anime it seems pretty obvious to me anon.And the project has always been consistently advertised as everything post CCA
>>24037930I wouldn't really consider manga as a sign of looking more into Late UC, they've also got an office lady Haman manga, that doesn't mean they're looking more into the office lady timeline
>>24037931You don't consider many things, we can tell.
>>24036854"Canon" is too loose of a term for Sunrise anime to be truly useful, as they pick and choose what's true more or less on a per project basis, then write around retcons. And release different statements on what's true or not true all the time...Broadly, what we know comes after UC 0153 is as follows...Crossbone Ghost's Epilogue (0168)Crossbone Dust (0169)Crossbone X-11 (0170)Crossbone Love and Piece (0171)Crossbone Seerauber (0172)Almarya (0179) (bonus story in the back of Double Fake, very weird, but never said to 'not' be canon...)Gaia Gear Novels (0200ish, though the actual date of the novels isn't set in stone, while the drama CD was set in 0203, but the drama was officially declared alternate in its final release disc. Nothing about the novel alone being alternate canon has said this for sure. Tomino just likes to ignore it personally.)G-Saviour Audio Dramas (0221-0223)G-Saviour Film (0223)G-Saviour PS2 Game (0224)Gundam Oblivion-G (02xx) No clear year, but somewhere in the UC 200s, long after G-SaviourV Gundam Gaiden's Ending (UC 0653 is the year the newtypes from the story are said to reach Proxima Centauri)Mad Wang 1160 (UC 1160, A sequel to a Z Gundam side story, so not aligned with normal UC Canon. A loose far future what if at best.)Post UC CalendarsRing of Gundam (G.C. 333 - Gaia Century, said to be a close successor to UC, though no idea how that relates to G-Reco or any other work, if at all)Gundam Reconguista in G (R.G. 1014 - Sunrise still says it's after UC, before Turn A. Tomino recently said he only considers it after "thematically", not literally.)Turn A Gundam (CC 2245, anywhere from 5,000-10,000 years after the UC depending on which source you read. Several AU series may or may not fit between UC and here, again, depending on the source you read.)That about covers it. Obviously, not all of those can happen without retcons, so pick and choose for yourself what is true (it probably shouldn't be Mad Wang, BTW).
>>24037928No, it isn't a "let's focus on late UC" project. It is a "let's move forward in time from overly explored time periods" project.Though I do not blame you for forgetting that it had begun with Narrative.We have been getting an unprecedented amount of the proper late UC focus in side media with F91 and Victory side stories and game content, as well as Gunpla though.>>24037930>And the project has always been consistently advertised as everything post CCAHa. It's not even that going by how the official website includes fucking Moon.>>24037931>they've also got an office lady Haman manga, that doesn't mean they're looking more into the office lady timelineThey should.
>>24037956It's also known from Oblivion G that the tech for designing advanced movable frames is lost by its time. The Fragment Gundam is built on a modified Mobile Worker frame
>>24038323You're putting way too much stock in what's essential a doujin draft, not even a whole story.One project says one thing, no other project has any obligation to care about it. Acting like there's a single, coherent, perfect, carefully crafted setting and new works give us glimpses into this worldview is the height of westerner foolishness.
>>24038362You're right, but trying to fill in the gaps can also be fun even if they were never intended.In fact, that's exactly how publications like F90FF, Cluster and Monthly Mobile are doing it. They're just straight up taking old lore and fitting it in, even from the most obscure of places and trying to connect it for fun.And you know what? It's interesting. Arguably more interesting than if it were planned from the start that way. That's how the lore of a big series evolves anyway. If none of it is real anyway, why not get creative with it?
regarding the last Mobile Machine
>>24039473I love this kind of autistic attention to detail>The person in charge volunteered for unarmed mine sweepingheh.
Does anyone have the mobile monthly machine JP scans for entries after 36? I've found 40 and 49-50 in the last thread, but if any of the others are out there, I'd like to see them.Any of the older threads that may have had them seem to be long gone?If scans/rips for the volume 1 booklet exist, that'd also be nice.
>>24039749>Any of the older threads that may have had them seem to be long gone?they should all be available through desuarchive, some might just be difficult to search for>If scans/rips for the volume 1 booklet exist, that'd also be nice.don't believe they do yet, sadlyAlso there's an archive of them herehttps://wiki.biligame.com/gundam/%E6%9C%88%E5%88%8AMOBILE_MACHINE
>>24039473Huh. It is kind of crazy that it's posted by Kodachi and not by someone from Gundam Ace editorial board.I always assumed that MMM wasn't written by Kodachi's team.
>>24039729these are always funny, I think one or two errors led to guillotine executions too>>24039888not sure where you got this idea honestly, it's clearly got the same vibe with all the obscure references and worldbuilding and so onpic unrelated
>>24039891Why would you ruin f91's beautiful lines
>>24039891>Removing the most beautiful chest in UCHeathen
>>24039891>it's clearly got the same vibe with all the obscure references and worldbuilding and so onSame is subjective-ish as I feel like the degrees between proper story and the supplement aren't nearly the same, but it is also precisely why. It is much easier to assume that it is something that was made by someone who's job is to read and organize a lot of background information, rather than an external team that is contracted to make a few manga series.
the moment I remember this: >>24040093is the moment I realize that the record breaker is inferior to V2 in every aspect. Sure it can fly as fast, but the Minovsky Drive on Uso MS pretty much make all of those based off of the F99 look like poor immitations.
>>24040095Obviously, the Record Breaker is an unarmed inferior prototype of the Victory.
>>24040095meanwhile a bunch of engineers look at that scene and think "ugh look at all that waste"
>>24040193You forget at how it is a hazard for allied troops.
Just a thought but imagine if bandai retcons crossbone and makes up their own stuff.
>>24040270okay I imagined it what now
>>24040273Crossbone becomes manga only, the unicorn project will resume.
>>24040275but crossbone is already manga only, can I take the timeline jumping machine back to your universe?
>>24040275>the unicorn project will resume.You need to kill Yamato remakes for that one, not Crossbone.
>>24040270why would they do that
>>24037956>Turn A GundamIs such a retarded fucking concept to converge thing. Tomino is a faggot.
>>24040300Fukui will be offically done with Yamato by October.
>>24040370it's not like Fukui is the only person making the decisions about it though
>>24040340Nah, Turn A is great and so is the concept.
>>24040204Which makes the Phantom more preferable as a mobile suit; even though it took 20+ years to work out all of the kinks.
>>24040472It's a fucking Mary Sue suit.>>24040372Easiest to point the finger. Gundam community has no braincells, so why would they accept it's a team effort and not all one dude?
>>24040562The V2?It's wasn't up there with the Unicorn series, but it's the most powerful of the late UC Era.
>>24040751it's infinitely better than the Unicorn in every way that matters, as is everything else in that era
>>24040752It doesn't hijack bits and funnels nor turn back time. Then again, PsychoFrames are busted as fuck.Only thing V2 going for it's WoL, which is far superior to all of the other MS before and after it.
>>24040774>hijack bits and funnelswhich is not really that big of a deal since focusing on funnels as the primary weapon is impractical and inefficient, they work better as a secondary utility>nor turn back timeit's not like there's a button for that in the cockpit anymore than Nu has a "push back trillions of tons" buttonit's unpredictable, unreplicable and uncontrollableIn other words worse than worthless as a weapon, it's actively detrimental for its purpose because an unreliable weapon that you can't direct and may cause unconceivable damage to yourself is not a weapon at all. It is, at best, a glorified paperweight.Zaku II is a better weapon than Unicorn.>Then again, PsychoFrames are busted as fuck.Hardly, it's just a more efficient, miniaturized Psycommu system. There's a whole bunch of post-Unicorn units using Psychoframe to enhance the control system and they're hardly groundbreaking because of it.
>>24040784Guess you can boil it down to Newtype Bullshit. Same with the Wing of Light on Uso's end.
>>24040774you don't need psycoframe to hijack bitsthat said v2 probably does have psycoframe because everything does at this point now, doesn't really matter thoughBit hijacking didn't start with Unicorn in any way.
>>24040751Unicorn series are junk compared to it, as they need Newtypes to reach their full potential. Anyone can pilot the BAV2 at max performance.
>>24040896>BAV2I agree with you but this notation is enough to get you the guillotine treatment.
>Eventually we get Crossbones with WoLI wonder if Crossbonization is like carcinization, eventually all technologies lead to Crossbone. Anyone else find themselves going back and forth from this thread to the V2 thread and forgetting which discussion is going on where?
>>24041081If by Crossbonization you mean a mobile suit evolvling to fit a Jupiter Sphere, then yes, kind of. Other Earth Sphere MS that operate there would be wise to adopt similar traits.What is also interesting is that it seems to outcompete the native Jupiter Sphere MS designs slowly leading them to extinction.>spoilerNo, I skimmed that thread, but ultimately decided to close that tab.
>>24041081No, I took one look at the OP of that thread and didn't even click on it for I knew it's going to be a shitshow
I hate crossbone.
don't tell the whole story obviously but still indicative of somethings
>>24041315>Here we can observe the X-11 Crossbone fluttering among the asteroids of Jupiter. Originally an invasive species, they have adapted perfectly to this environment, to the point that certain local species have evolved to imitate them in a process called "Cross-Mimicry. *Crossbone X-14 flies around**Gets shot and explodes, a swarm of Flints start to pick apart the wreckage*>To no avail
I really like this Crossbone variant, it's got the perfect amount of asymmetry and increased armor without turning into a brick. Come ot thing of it, there aren't any flying brick modes in the Late UC families, probably because they're all supposed to be demonic speedster midgets
EFFFFSEVENTY
>>24042290>. Come ot thing of it, there aren't any flying brick modes in the Late UC families
mission packs are so frigging fun
>>24042512and it actually looks pretty graceful as a full armor form
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>>24042512>>24042514Look at what they need to mimic a fraction of my power I can't help but feel like the first config is about to dismember itself with all the beams protruding everywhere. Must have a colony-sized reactor to power all that.>>24042514What's the red "shield" bit?
>>24042518Prototype mega beam shield from the F90K equipment package. The white pieces deploy outward to form the corners of a large shield, similar to Nu Gundam fin funnel barrier or the later mega beam shield used by the V2 Gundam.
>>24042518Chest armour aside these are the same config.Beam shield interference is never ab issue since it can simply just not deploy at the angle where it'd collide with something.And power drain is probably fucked up but hey F90 already got some reactor upgrades over the years so surely this is alright
>>24042512Do you think with the mission packs that F90 is still viable during the warring states period (victory and beyond)?
>>24042594define "viable" I guess
>>24042597Well, I just had a feeling that the hard points on the victory gundam made it more less its cheaper successor of in terms customization.
waiting for a RE/100 Contio and Rig Contio is the only reason I keep going every day
Maria Gundam...
>>24042616Do the MGs have the features in your pic?
>>24043012No. The beam sabres do store in the elbows but they don't have rotating heads as they should to make the beam shield. I don't remember if they even fit 2 in each but it's been a while since I messed with my V MG.The VSBRs do expand though of course since that's easy.
>>24043015>they don't have rotating heads as they should to make the beam shield.Strictly speaking they shouldn't have that regardless. This was a design feature that made it very late into production but was abandoned because they decided it's inconvenient and bothersome to keep track of in animation for no real gain. You'd just have Victory be arbitrarily restricted from using particular beam sabers or shields in some situations and limit choreography possibilities, nevermind risk just making unnecessary mistakes.Plus from an in-universe perspective it doesn't make much sense, why would it have to share the beam emitters for both? It looks cool on the drawing for sure but makes no sense when it's decades old extremely basic and common technology at this point.
>>24043041It makes a ton of sense in universe. Why would it do that? Because they can fulfill two functions at once and it actually streamlines parts/production by only making beam sabres and housing units for them instead of beam shields and beam sabres. Why double up on plasma generators when you have beam sabres which have become handheld beam shields? It's a more realistic design sensibility in practice. It has 4 beam sabres, it'll always have some options for shielding. It all ties into everything about the V which really becomes a "complex machine under a simple form."It does indeed create a lot of problems for consistency of animation, but that's the nature of animating robots with tons of gimmicks.
>>24043046But it doesn't do any of that, all it achieves is that now you can't pull out your beam saber while defending with that arm or use the beam shield while the the saber is whipped out. Each saber makes up half of the beam shield after all, without one you are suddenly covering half the area.And you can still have the utilitarian sensibility aspect of it by simply having the saber and the shield use the same type of beam emitter. Which does appear to be the case since we do see Victory deploy a kind of wide "beam fan" from the saber sometimes. I think it's only done once or twice so it's rather funny like every single Victory kit comes with the effect part for that.
>>24043052That's a complete non-issue though. You have four beam sabres, half a shield left even if you're using both for some reason, and their storage placement makes shifting from handheld to storage mode about as quick as could be. Half a shield is plenty of defense to begin with, but it can also of course turn the handheld one into a beam fan to reposition it too. It's plenty. Yes, they function as beam fans, that's why they considered that function at all. As far as parts creation and simplification goes, though, it's no contest for the beam sabres only vs beam shield and beam sabre combo. Even truncating it down to "the emitter is the same for both" it means extra weight to carry both and an extra power line to the shield, while sabres-alone cut that out. It is in all ways a simplification (at the expense of slightly more complicated beam sabres), and the downsides in real use would be virtually irrelevant.As an aside and into the real of universal speculation, there's no reason we really have to imagine they can't create a full shield. I understand of course that it's intuitive by not having half the emitter, but that's really nowhere near the whole story of beam shield technology, especially by V. Beam emissions that extend and loop back over the emitter do exist; obviously there's the Crossbones and their unique beam shields but also beam flags and V2's own Wings of Light in ordinary function and a few other funky shaped beam emissions here and there to cast some doubt on whether that's a rule anyone would ever have to obey (it isn't if they decided tomorrow it wasn't and wrote it in a book).Back to non speculation land, if we take into account this arrangement is supposed to be interchangeable with what the V actually does in animation except cutting the plane in half when a sabre is out, it'd still be the best MS beam shield. I couldn't quickly find an image of it but just pretend I posted a picture of the time V made its beam shield enormous.
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>>24043072Thanks bro. I thought it'd be on the wiki but it wasn't then a little googling didn't find it and I didn't want to go search for what episode it was. Life saver.
>>24043069At the end of the day it comes down to the simple fact that there's just no need for a setup like this when beam shields are basic tech and any other suit just has it simply mounted on the arm.
>>24043074See, it's the reverse for me. It just makes way more sense. It isn't something that matters a shitload but it is the sort of tiny detail of streamlined production that perfectly fits what the V is. This thing is a pretty advanced dude that has been simplified down enough parts for it can be made in manufacturing hubs all over the world in a real ass guerilla style production assembly. Pulling double duty with this simplification makes so much sense to me as a guerilla machine and is what I live for in mechanical detail and worldbuilding. It really tickles my fancy as a bit of ingenuity an engineer came up with to save labor and cost complexities to stretch the resources they had further, and that's LM as fuck. They're making enough of these things to regularly lose them on a shoestring budget, the little things add up.
>>24043052>>24043069The smarter way to do it would be to have a permanent beam shield emitter in the arm-elbow, but you still have to slot in a beam saber into the arm like a battery to "power" the beam shield, This avoids the problem of something as small as a beam saber needing to have a rotating emitter head so fewer moving parts that can go wrong, while still retaining the same concept and having the beam shield share parts with the beam saber. Better yet, it can do the thing where having one saber in the arm can produce a regular size and regular strength beam shield, but if you have two sabers in the arm, you can produce a stronger or larger shield from that arm. This already ties into a bunch of the clever stuff they were doing with sabers like combining their output for longer reach or creating super large beam "fields" with just two emitters.>but you're still losing out by having to choose between using a saber as a saber or a shieldThen just equip the Victory with 4 sabers minimum, and up to 6-8 beam sabers like the Methuss had. It's already a more expensive limited production MS that can equip VSBRs and twin shoulder beam cannons, adding extra normal beam sabers won't hurt the budget that much. The core top will have 2x beam sabers in each arm by default and the core bottom can have 1 or 2 beam sabers in each leg.
>>24043088>This avoids the problem of something as small as a beam saber needing to have a rotating emitter head so fewer moving parts that can go wrongI think this is a completely solved problem in universe honestly, the beam shield itself is already a whole thing on a moving hinge on a mobile that is just actually just a series of hinges so it can separate and transform and etc. Nevermind fingers holding them.Personally if I were designing it I would have the V's beam sabre head split open so one beam sabre emitter actually turns into a full beam shield emitter. It's also a really elegant function and would truncate it down to only needing one beam sabre.
>>24043088I always forget just how big of a killcount Uso racks up. Amuro's newtype Ghost was probably looking at him going "damn this kid is too murderous"
>>24042824>not zanspine
>>24042594Yes? It is all high-end equipment that would be still awesome to use. It isn't unlike Draig's gund that V-Dash uses.Obviously, you'd still need to consider the required specs, so some mixed-build MS from Dust era that might struggle with beam weaponry would be out of luck.>>24042616Hard points are only relevant for the ease of equipment swapping. Given enough time you can modify the MS and/or equipment to be used together regardless of combinations.
>>24042824We can do better
>>24041081See, the funny thing is that Jupiter Republic suits eventually becoming some flavor of Crossbone makes sense because the X style vernier thrusters make sense for the environment around there. A Crossbone simply is the meta build for that environment.But someone fucking tell me why the fucking Anchor Gundam eventually transformed into a malformed Crossbone too. Isn't Ash's stomping grounds and the general setting of Dust around the Earth sphere? He's not Jupiter Republic military affiliated and he's not exactly dancing around in their neighbourhood either.
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>>24043425Because Anchor is a hackjob.V3 got a Minovsky Drive from Phantom (not unlike one on X-12 and Grampus) and V4 is an unsustainable mess that wasn't meant to be a permanent configuration.Well, at least it got better since then.
>reliable>adaptable>simple>efficient>3860kW reactor>beam shield as standard>all around on par or better than Den'an Zon from the last warbut "literally just a mobile worker"? what the fuck was wrong with Federation pilots
>>24043612You forgot>as old as Jegan was in the F91 movie by Victory>Javelin exists
>>24043612>but "literally just a mobile worker"?That's just a thing army does in the times of peace.
>>24043564Do the treads on the legs move? Are they some kind of land mobility aid?
>>24043646>Striker shotgunUnrealistic, Anaheim would never miss the chance to give a MS an overengineered gun
>>24043675Short Shoulder is a modification made by forces, Anaheim is irrelevant.
>>24043612that's because the zoloats and zolo had over 30% higher reactor output and about twice as many maneuvering thrusters compared to the jamesgunI mean, zaku I and II were also reliable, simple, adaptable, but it didn't stop them from getting mogged by GMs that also had roughly the same advantages in reactor and thrusters
>>24043670>>24043564Anchor's proper successor, whenever it's revealed, should have 8 thrusters on the back forming a ship's wheel
>>24043799except that they were commenting this when the Jamesgun rolled out, like 30 years before Zoloat
>>24043901>The anchor in question
>>24043182This reminds me, I know for a fact that one Mobile Machine mentions Vigna Ronah but I can't seem to find which one. It was certainly one of the Fastest Formula ones and I think it was in the context of CV using Formula Project data acquired through backroom deals but I'm not totally certain.
>>24043906Source?
>>24044256https://zeonic-republic.net/?page_id=6654
>>24044256V Gundam Handbook vol 1it's specifically due to the reactor output no less, which is just ridiculous. I suppose this more so reflects the experience and knowledge (or lack thereof) of most EFF pilots in the era
>>24044297Thanks!>>24044301>it's specifically due to the reactor output no less, which is just ridiculousI imagine it was a retroactive response of majority of the forces getting them after Cosmo Babylonia War, while also looking at Javelin Prototype units that were already tested at the time (and that we should see in the latter Climax U.C. part, if it will be partially adapted in Cluster as well).
>>24044312Except that Jamesgun is a really nice machine, pretty much on par with the Den'ans and also very reliable and versatile. It can be easily adjusted to very efficiently operate in any environment to boot, there's a reason it remained the mainstay for as long as Jegan before it and it's not just budget cuts.I think it's kind of a similar situation to how Heavygun was besmirched as "just a smaller Jegan" by young pilots while the experienced personnel thought "holy shit the best thing ever just got even better". Both are true but they're very different attitudes. Granted, with both Heavy and James the conservative takes were later proven wrong when large scale conflicts did not, in fact, become a thing of the past. But at the time of their rollout they were exactly what was asked for. And even if they were underperforming against overwhelming forces some pilots still pulled crazy shit on them. Like Birgit in F91 and the AAAA team in V-MSV.
>>24043121Didn't most of said kill count came from that Zanscare Cannon he fired on their fleet?
>>24044301>>24044297>Initially, the Minovsky Drive was intended to be an enhancement for the V1 model. However, it soon became apparent that the V1 chassis couldn’t withstand the Drive’s specifications, leading to an urgent need for an entire redesign. I would like to believe that Second Victory was made to stress test the drives until they decide to make the Boosters for the Victory while creating a new suit for the Drives.
>>24044433that's pretty much what happened, no?
>>24044433F90W->F99->2ndV->V2That's how I imagine the development goes by data alone.
>>24044431I'm pretty sure he's already the highest without it. Add that in and it's by several hundred at minimum.
>>24044449I'm surprised other newtypes don't feel some kind of genocidal aura emamating from him
>>24044501why would they? he's a kind boy
Cute AND cool!!!
>>24044817>Top right
Isn't it weird how it took literal decades for someone to design a ZZ Plus? Like the Zeta Plus is one of those cult designs that is popular enough for SEED to rip it off so you'd think a ZZ Plus would've happened sooner. I mean why did Katoki do a Delta Plus instead of ZZ Plus? We'll never know.
>>24045372because he and the rest of the creative team felt like it and it was appropriate for the show
>>24045372ZZ is rightful Kobayashi clay
>>24045372They did a ZZ variation and Zeta variations for Sentinel, Sentinel's whole time period kinda means they're working with ZZ prototypes and not mass produced variants of the thing that only just rolled out. If Sentinel as a project had happened a year or two later and ended up being more mid or post ZZ maybe we'd have a roster of ZZ+ variants.
Once Jupiter's helium reserves run dry, colonies will inevitably try to fight for the helium supplies of Titan and Saturn's moons
>>24045458I don't think that's something that's likely to happen in any kind of relevant timespan
>>24045458I feel like it's decently well known at this point but Gundam's arrangement with Jupiter for He3 is one of the more outdated bits of science. The Moon has plenty. Jupiter would also take an astronomical amount of time to "run out" and humanity would be interstellar or dead by then.
>>24045462Yeah we havent come close to running out of anything on Earth despite mining here for several thousand years, I dont think there is any conceivable way for us to use all the helium on jupiter before the sun goes nova
>>24045372Late UC?Anyway, as much as I love ZZ, Delta was just a more interesting concept to explore. I mean, a phantom Gundam design that was too intricate to be made at the time, so it had to be reworked into Hyaku Shiki sounds awesome, even if it wasn't nearly as fun in practice.Also, I think that in universe implication was that Rezel kind of took over not just Zeta's, but also ZZ's niche with Defenser unit.
>>24045519The ReZEL itself already borrows some (FA) ZZ elements. It's kind of a love letter mashup of Methuss, Z and FA ZZ. The legs are pretty direct evolutions of the FA leg bits, and the Commander type using the over-the-shoulder backpack-attached cannon feels an intentional nod to it too.
>>24045519>>24045521Defenser A Unit is explicitly based on ZZ's data, yesMeanwhile B's binders with beam cannons take after Gaplant
>>24045519ZZ is late UC by virtue of Gump
>>24045526So is Psycho Gundam, but you don't see anyone posting random shit about its lineage and why wasn't it expanded upon more in the early UC era.Especially when ZZ was getting a lot of Xtra attention recently in general.
>>24045372We've had the MP ZZ for years, it's just much uglier than the MP Z.
>>24045574Its always been strange to me that aside from the GM itself, these mass produced gundams are only ever in side materials instead of being the mainstay feddie grunt for the next series.ZZ should have seen the feds rolling out mp zetas near the middle
>>24045584yeah you're the strange part here
>>24045584Despite what they look like, MP Zeta, MP ZZ and MP Hyaku Shiki aren't really GM-like grunts, but more akin to G-Line.Same goes for MP Nu, MP F91 and Flint BTW.Also ZZ EFF rolling out MP Zetas was out of the question, considering that even Nemo was too pricey for them.
>>24045609J-Saviour also falls into that category, I think
>>24045585Noel Wrath also falls into this as they don't have the Mechanics and resources to properly mass produce them (only 9 were made).
>>24045639god it looks so coolman my greatest pipe dream at this point is getting a RE/100 Phantom and a decade later a RE/100 Noel Wraith
>>24045639The fuck is going on in that hip socket
>>24045639meant for >>24045609
>>24045639Guyver lookin mfers
>>24045649the Void
>>24046205god I want this robot to fuck me so bad
>>24046205Gaia Gear vibes. Is this G savior?
>>24046269corrreeect
Someone remind me again of UC Tech creep, but did the later Minovsky Drive (or really, any super high speed mobile suits) units retain the special dampening fluid cockpits that the Ghost and X-0 had during the lategame events of Ghost? The justification being at the time that the filled up cockpits dampen the G-Forces so that the Ghost can freely use max acceleration Minovksy Drive (and the X-0 can be overclocked) without reducing Font and Curtis' internal guts into paste.Do later gottagofast suits retain the special fluid cockpit? Or did they make new variable cockpits that can also handle extreme G-forces without turning the cockpits into pseudo wombs? Or did they just drop the whole "Oh shit, we gotta make an in-universe justification of how these demonic speed midgets don't turn scramble their pilot's guts" line of thought?
>>24046518The V2's cockpit is noted as having some special dampner somewhere, I can't remember what the technobabble is specifically but it's fully designed to protect the pilot during combat maneuvers.
>>24046272Okay you've convinced me, how do I get into G-savior?
>>24046518Pretty sure the fluid cockpits were a one-off. But Uso doesn't turn into paste when flying the V2 so presumably they figured out some other workaround, likely on the pilot suits themselves
>>24046518>>24046551>>24046658Thing is, the endgame of Ghost happened concurrently with when Uso was raping Angel Halo with the V2. And mind you, at that point in time, the Ghost was rocking a MD inferior to that of the V2's. But even then, Font had to get that special cockpit just not to turn into a smoothie. Only way to make sense of this was that the V2 really was an anomaly of a machine like 20-30 years ahead of its time. Not just in performance, but cockpit stability and probably pilot suit too. That, or Uso really is just a freak of nature.
>>24046667Likely to be both, but also the F91 was already doing the I AM SPEED thing without any adverse effects for the pilot many years earlier so methinks the Crossbone Vanguard's engineers just didn't get the memo on proper cockpit dampening
>>24046667>or Uso really is just a freak of natureSecond coming of Yazan?
>>24046667>Uso was raping Angel Halo with the V2.Or, rather, Shakti tearing the structure apart from the inside out.
