There are those who said this day would never come. What are they to say now?
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>>24037274This should've been the visual Mighty Strike Freedom in the movie instead.
>>24037284Yeah, I kinda didn't like that the final new upgrade was just a slightly modified Strike freedom with a new backpack.I thought the Rising Freedom was the cooler design. Especially since it pulls back on some of the excess of the Strike Freedom and is closer to the OG Freedom.The proud defender wings are still a bit over designed but I like how they look here. Though it would've been better if instead of 5 golden "feathers" on top of the 4 white feathers on each wing they just went with 2 or 3 golden feathers that spread evenly between the white feathers. It would look more balanced that way.
>>24037274>>24037275I hope they add this in EXVS.
Have we weaponized every aspect of the gundam yet? There should be one that uses the chest vents offensively.
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>msvLiterally never happened It's a what if.You can make a what-if where Black Widow pistol whippped Thanos so hard that he lost conciousness, fell backward onto a rock and broke his neck killing himself but it will only be a what if and never reality.
>>24039228MSVs aren't the same as that kind of what-if scenario.MSVs usually exist somewhere in the setting of their main work either as a conceptual design that wasn't constructed or a unit that appears off screen in side materials. Very different from totally imaginary timelines like "what if Char gets the Gundam during OYW"In this case this variant of the RF is one that exists, but just wasn't fielded due to the RF being destroyed before the PD was deployable or necessary to deploy.
All rook same
>>24037275This should have been the Kira's final suit in Seed Freedom instead of reusing Strike Freedom.
>>24040741Fukuda wouldn't allow anything other than his pet MS to be the most powerful ever.
>>24039260>In this case this variant of the RF is one that exists, but just wasn't fielded due to the RF being destroyed before the PD was deployable or necessary to deploy.Or, option 3, it was a systems integration test because Strike Freedom wasn't available after the theft incident.I don't think they would build a pack from scratch without testing whether it would work with an MS. It doesn't have any weapons of its own and the bike cockpit is supposed to be a retrofit, so it couldn't be used autonomously before.
>>24040818Actually it's because>old suit is inferior, new suit better Is a boring trope that Fukuda rightly rejected. CCA being a shitty movie is common knowledge but if Amuro began the movie with Nu Gundam and abandoned it for a Jesta that he beats Char's ass with it would be the hypest shit
>>24041561>CCA being a shitty movie is common knowledgeNigger, everyone in the industry worships CCA like a sacred treasure.>and abandoned it for a Jesta that he beats Char's ass with it would be the hypest shitTerrible example. The Jesta was a "new" unit as well, and a grunt to boot. You think the CE is the kind of setting that would, say, have Kira piloting a Z.A.K.U. (even with a custom backpack)? Be serious.Anyhow, this is more like if Astonaige and Mosk Han had pulled RX-78-3 from mothballs and painted it in parade colors for Amuro's use. It would be the same kind of "theatre cheering" fanservice people criticize Disney for constantly doing in Star Wars and the MCU. Tomino isn't that kind of director: MS are tools for him and his characters.
>>24040829It was built for Rising because Kira found it didn't have the power required for his Jesus Yamato moments as shown in the beginning of the film where despite taking down dozens he's completely wiped out afterwards. It was to bring Rising back up to the level of the previous Freedom's. It was hastily retrofitted to fit Strike Freedom thanks to that new genius guy on board which also ends up being ridiculously overkill because SF itself was already a powerful machine.
what's the point, strike freedom's backstory got retconned like 6 fucking times, and I'm expecting the same shit with this one too
>>24042969That's not Strike Freedom, dumbass. Its exact origin is water under the bridge at this stage.
>>24042974I'm comparing it to strike freedom, dumbass
>>24042929>It was hastily retrofitted to fit Strike FreedomNo because the Disruptor requires the Proud Defender to work. Which means the Disruptor was built with the Proud Defender in mind.
>>24043406Which again makes no sense because they weren't planning on using Strike Freedom anytime soon according to the story. Unless the disruptor itself was added quickly prior to them deploying
>>24040829>Or, option 3, it was a systems integration test because Strike Freedom wasn't available after the theft incident. >I don't think they would build a pack from scratch without testing whether it would work with an MS.This. I suspect Kira was already working on creating the Proud Defender pack during Seed Freedom Zero along with plans for the Strike Freedom upgrade. But then Strike Freedom got hijacked and the suit was heavily damaged with an unknown date on when it would get repaired. When the original Freedom got trashed after Season 1, it took them over a year to rebuild it. Seed Freedom Zero takes place 6 to 8 months prior to Seed Freedom. So Kira probably had to switch to Rising Gundam for testing Proud Defender. A case of "use what you have available and just make due for the time being."
>>24043893Why would it need it? Strike Freedom was cutting edge right after Destiny. It and IJ basically soloed most of the Zaft fleet. It didn't need a power up until the Black Knights were in the picture. Makes far more sense for it to be designed for Rising to make up for it's power loss compared to SF.
>>24043902Same thing could be said for the Rising since it was doing fine against the enemies they expected to fight, including the Destroy Gundams. It didn't struggle until it fought the BKs.
>>24043971It was doing ok but it was well below Kira's usual power output, which you could see by the sheer effort he had to put into fighting all those forces in the opening fight compared to how he used to basically sleepwalk through grunt fights in Freedom and SF.
>>24044067>which you could see by the sheer effort he had to put into fighting all those forces in the opening fight compared to how he used to basically sleepwalk through grunt fights in Freedom and SFI think that's more of a drama thing ("I HATE FIGHTING AND WE AREN'T ACCOMPLISHING ANYTHING!!!") than Rising's actual technical capability. Kira wiped out the Blue Cosmos forces with zero effort.
>>24044067>It was doing ok but it was well below Kira's usual power outputI feel like that's more directorial than a powerlevel issue, I mean, look at how slow and braindead kira was in the fight against Stella's destroy, or how much he was struggling against the druggies throughout seed
>>24043902>>24043971You need to understand the design philosophy behind Mighty. It's the ultimate "win without fighting" unit:>barrier that blocks every single kind of attack: beams, railguns, missiles...>telepathically controlled nanoparticles that can remotely disable entire fleets>Disruptor beam that can cut through all matter without causing an explosion
>>24043971>>24044102Man, SEED Freedom's CGI is so much better than Hathaway's.
>>24044108>or how much he was struggling against the druggies throughout seedThat's called bad writing, or if you want to be generous, "jobbing". Kira had numerous occasions to kill the fucking worthless Boosted Men, especially after Justice showed up.
>>24044113delulu
>>24044113Hathaway suffers from Murase stubbornly wanting to ape Nolan when that aesthetic just doesn't work for the gundam combat under his current direction of it. And also the fact that the designs were already bulky as fuck and don't work for typical gundam humanoid hand to hand combat either.Hathaway's Gundam's should've been animated like fighter jets. They should've taken notes from Macross. Especially since one of the ideas of Hathway is to show that mobile suit tech and battle strategy has developed so much that they have looped back around and become simlar in function to the conventional combat vehicles(Helicopters and Fighter Jets) they initially replaced.
>>24043902Then anime director of Seed Freedom specifically said in interviews that Kira was unhappy with the performance of Rising Freedom compared to Strike Freedom. Which makes sense that, besides the new drone shield, the Rising Freedom is essentially a watered down battery powered version of the original Freedom.
>>24044177>Hathaway suffers from Murase stubbornly wanting to ape Nolan when that aesthetic just doesn't work for the gundam combat under his current direction of it. Thanks for putting my thoughts into words. I wasn't quite sure how to describe Hathaway's Flash. I was watching the movie but couldn't quite describe what I was feeling. I was watching a movie about Giant Robots but the movie lacked the majesty and awe of giant robots fighting each other. I also wasn't sure what year this movie is supposed to take place in. I thought Gundam was supposed be several hundred years in the future yes? They are supposed have flying cars like I saw in 0079 (picture attached), but everything in Hathaway's Flash looked like it took place 2026. I swear I saw cars in the background that looked like modern BMWs and Rolls Royce. It was not future cars at all. Would you say the Director is copying the Nolan aesthetic of trying to keep everything hyper realistic?
>>24044166The only delulus are the people who think the CGI in the latest Hathaway film looked acceptable.
>>24044214>They are supposed have flying cars like I saw in 0079 (picture attached),I feel like even Zeta stepped back on that. See the pilot suits becoming bulkier and when we see Hong Kong, it's mostly 80s Hong Kong. I really got the impression Tomino thought the futuristic aesthetic of the first Gundam looked goofy and actually wanted everything that wasn't directly tied to the mobile suit/space technology to look pretty much like "modern" Earth - note even the small civilian cars for 1/2 people were actually based on electric models from the time, just way more widespread.
>>24044225We saw stuff in Zeta like civilians now having access to jet backpacks like it's no big deal. Which seems to miniaturize whatever technology is being used in the flying cars from 0079. Hathaway Flash seems to ignore it.
>>24044264that jet wingsuit existed in 2015 so by UC standards it's like 200+year old tech.Origin didn't forget that hovercars existed.
>>24037274>>24037275So it's just Rising Freedom with Mighty Strike Freedom's wings? Where's the katana?
>>24044346It's Rising Freedom, but its lost the ability to transform.
>>24044346proud defender originally didn't have a katana or a cockpit. it was supposed to be fully auto-guided and dock with rising freedom like the impulse automatically docks parts and packs. because of all the bullshit that happened in the movie, they hurriedly modified the proud defender to work with strike freedom instead of rising freedom, and added the katana because their enemies the black knight MS squad all use beamproof armor that makes beam sabers much less effective
>>24044360Mehh. Rising Freedom was a garbage mobile suit anyway. Proud Defender is better with Strike Freedom. More power and more lethal final combination.
>>24044193>Kira was unhappy with the performance of Rising Freedom THIS FUCKING PHRASE AGAIN. How many times have you written this exact fucking thing?>>24036096
>>24044214>I thought Gundam was supposed be several hundred years in the future yes?iirc the universal century is supposed to start in the late 21st or 22nd century iirc so 0079 is like 2150a.d or 2250a.d
>>24044599You are one weird anon. If thats what Fukuda said then whats the problem
>>24044641The problem is you repeating the EXACT same sentence over and over and over. It really sounds like spam or Duel, who I know is leaving his fecal droppings on /a/. Can you at least change the fucking wording?Or is this some bot?
>>24044656I dont care about your imaginary rivalry with your enemy. Dont drag me into into it
>>24044670>imaginary rivalryUh-oh, this confirms it.
>>24044177>>24044214>I was watching a movie about Giant Robots but the movie lacked the majesty and awe of giant robots fighting each other. That's because the director is aiming for something very different: showcasing the sheer horror of MS combat. There is no "majesty" to be made about a bunch of terrorists fighting a secret police.This shot is among the best in the first movie. We've seen mecha dropping their weapons all the time in shows and movies, but this gives us a sense of human scale: the rifle is the size of a fucking building. This is a constant theme:>The residual sparks of a beam shot are powerful enough to melt metal street posts.>A Messer landing causes a dust cloud the size of a street block>the feet of a Manhunter Jegan dwarf street traffic.There's lots of panoramic shots and the ground moves below the characters as they fly away. Everything in the animation is deliberate and gives you a sense of things happening of a much wider context. The field research in the Philippines and Australia is a part of that, and it shows.
>>24044656If Fukuda literally said those exact words then what is your issue with it? Do you hate Fukuda?
>>24044677Ok, but then you have shit like this:https://youtu.be/-Ad8OPal2So?si=9xcQEBf0OTaqRfeY
>>24044685My issue is with you. You're a fucking spammer. Can you rephrase the statement at least, so it's not so notorious? Do you speak English, even?
>>24044685You come off like you're quoting scripture, not like you have any idea what you're saying, which makes your posts of minimal value.
>>24044688What's the problem with that sequence? I think it's excellent.>Xi detects danger approaching.>Hathaway turns the unit around and fires missiles to intercept>Later, he fires grenades that create a chaff cloud, shooting down the restEverything takes time to happen. There's no "money shot" of the interceptions themselves, just the camera in the cockpit. Everything has a mass, like the Messer hooking up with the Galcezon or the Xi's turn.You can tell the animators took clues from combat footage from Ukraine.And sure, you can complain about the CG being rough around the edges, but's that's compensated by interesting direction.
>>24044693He's this close from calling him "Fukuda kantoku-dono".
>>24044698Yeah, it's pointless to talk to someone who's pretentious enough to think this looks good or even exciting.https://youtu.be/VZQxHLs3mOk?si=gG6DZeu8lSNbFdvM
>>24044712Okay, make an argument, then. Other than the CG, what makes that scene look bad or boring? Spewing buzzwords doesn't help you.
>>24044693Seems like you are obsessed with anyone who mentions fukuda. You have fukuda derangement syndrome.
>>24044677Contrast this to the direction of SEED Freedom, which is orthodox to a fault. If you pay attention, you'll note that a good deal of the action shots in the movie either start or end with a close-up of the robot's head. It's constant to the point of becoming monotonous, and that is added to the style of having the robots posing all the time. Plus the fast pace, sometimes so frenetic it's difficult to make sense of what you're watching.This is a real accomplishment from the point of view of storyboarding and animating, but it makes for lousy direction. For all the things moving on-screen, there's surprisingly little damage happening across that fight: SF loses its DRAGOONs and gets a surface stab in the chest, but the rest of the body is mostly intact.There's no "majesty" and much less "awe" at work here. The visual language at work here, to the extent there is one, honestly feels like watching a toddler on Monster Energy playing with a bunch of toys:>and then pew-pew and then zoom-whoom and then there's an explosion and the robot moves around and then...
>>24044715It needlessly over-complicates a tiny skirmish against just TWO enemy mobile suits. If this were any other UC Gundam series like Zeta Gundam, Kamille would have killed them in a few seconds.
>>24044677>showcasing the sheer horror of MS combatHe only ever achieves this in the attack on davao and the go pro footage at the start of HF2.Every other MS scene suffers from poor cinematography and the actual combat is just poorly coordinated. Even if you're trying to convey the horror of combat you still need to create an aesthetically competent image. That's the foundational logos of filmmaking. You undercut your argument with bad imagery and screaming "but that's the point" isn't a viable justification.Warfare is a film that does an amazing job at conveying this idea to the viewer, it's a movie that makes you want to never be even remotely near a battlefield and it does that with solid cinematography. You want to look at the screen.If you want to convince people through film the image has to actually draw them in and immerse them otherwise your message will be totally ignored or just seem amateurish. Higher quality cinematographic images create depth and simultaneously bolster your message by creating a visceral example of what you're trying to convey. This instills trust in the viewer through authentic imagery, and makes them fall more deeply into the world you're illustrating. If your images have poor color balancing, or bad lighting whether it's due to an artistic decision or amateurish sloppiness it draws the viewer out of the experience and your thematic argument now falls apart because they don't intrinsically trust the image being shown to them. There's a difference in a war film that makes you disgusted with the act of war vs a war film that makes you disgusted with watching the war film.
>>24044698>There's no "money shot" of the interceptions themselves, just the camera in the cockpit. It repeats the same shots over and over. Exterior shot, then cockpit view from Hathaway, then a matching movement cut (e.g. Gundam head turns left and Hathaway's head turns left) to go back to the exterior shot. The basic rule is you need at least 3 different angles/scenes to make it visually interesting and not repetitive. The battle scene really needed a scene shown from the enemy cockpits too. Not just 1. Battle outside2. Hathaway cockpit3. Battle outside. 4. Repeat
>>24044718You understand how obnoxious and pathetic it looks when you repeat (word by precise word, with no variation whatsoever), the same fucking phrase?>>24044193>Kira was UNHAPPY with the PERFORMANCE of Rising Freedom>24023777>Kira was UNHAPPY with the PERFORMANCE of the Rising Freedom.>24026203>Kira was very UNHAPPY with the combat PERFORMANCE of Rising Freedom>24035661>was very UNHAPPY with the PERFORMANCE of Rising Freedom.>24026266>Kira was very UNHAPPY with the PERFORMANCE of Rising Freedom.>hurr durr but that's what fukuda said!No, those are not his precise words because it's paraphrasing from a translation of his comments, which you haven't had even the courtesy of linking to in all of this time (so we're just taking your word for it out of courtesy! Go figure...).The English language has synonyms: you do not need to repeat the same thing over and over.
>>24044731I'm not even part of this debate but I'm going to copy paste this "Fukuda was unhappy..." statement into every Seed thread I see because now I know how much it annoys you. It makes you seethe so much.
>>24044715We were talking about the CGI, it's not just the fact that it looks bad, it looks bad because it's not directed well. Too much low effort dragging the still models around, even the suits that don't have Minovsky Craft look weightless and floaty as fuck. That Australian outback landscape looks like some low effort Unity asset with the exact same fucking bush copypasted a hundred times over the samey terrain.It's laughable how your pretentious ass feels that the 3D model of the Base Jabber being dragged down a bit when the Messer steps on it is worthy of praise.5 fucking years to make this shit btw.I'll take a decent job at making CGI look like classic 2D animation (with some actual 2D thrown in here and there) a million times over a horribly janky and low effort attempt at making CGI look "realistic".https://youtu.be/2-W6apq1GYE?si=ZeL6utXg4CZE1r2n
>>24044720>There's no "majesty" and much less "awe" at work here. The visual language at work here, to the extent there is one, honestly feels like watching a toddler on Monster Energy playing with a bunch of toys:The issue with this comparison is that SEED is successful here. This is exactly the kind of feeling SEED is trying to invoke. It's a series that is juvenile and is intentionally designed like a shoujo take on Gundam.There is 100% a competent visual language to SEED as well, it draws from a lot of tokusatsu shows. The focus on the faces of the MS and the obari sword poses are meant to convey a sense of heroism and also represent how the gundams in this setting aren't simply just tools but deeply tied to the identity of the pilots.
>>24044735>That Australian outback landscape looks like some low effort Unity asset with the exact same fucking bush copypasted a hundred times over the samey terrain.This was another issue I had with that scene too. It's so distracting. 0083 and 08th ms had battles in similar desert flatland environments but the background art was handled a lot better.
>>24044736>It's a series that is juvenile and is intentionally designed like a shoujo take on Gundam.That's the wrong word, chief. You're thinking of shonen: power fantasy for little boys that look at the Freedom blowing up shit and think it's the coolest stuff ever.Shoujo is shit like magical girl anime and you won't find that in this thing. Not even in the character drama, which leans aesthetically closer to live-action dramas than anything from the world of anime/manga/LNs. Chiaki Morosawa herself said she learned a lot from her brother Katsuyuki (soap opera writer in the 90s) during Dendoh.
How is Kira unhappy with Risings performance when it's literally an upgrade over the original freedom in every way? No dragoons? Can't use them I the atmosphere anyway and frankly the booster shield more than makes up for it and Is harder to stop
>>24044847I'd imagine Kira didn't have manage power output in Freedom compared to Rising Freedom. With Rising Freedom, there's always the risk of running out of power mid-fight unlike in Freedom. Someone that likes to spam beam attacks and be flashy like Kira would find constant battery management annoying.
>>24044847It's what Fukuda said in an interview when explaining Rising Freedom Gundam to Japanese fans. Then he told a story about how the suit was supposed to have more of a mass production look but there was a miscommunication with the mecha designer for the movie. The designer accidentally made Rising and Immortal look like actual Gundams with a Gundam head. Fukuda didn't have time to delay the movie and wait for a re-designs. So he just kept the designs and used them for the movie. From what I could tell from Fukuda's words they were basically supposed to look more like GMs.
>>24044847No nuclear power = lower output weaponsNo nuclear power = lower output thrustersNo nuclear reactor = not able to beam spam repeatedly. It wouldn't surprise me if a single beam spam drains the battery by several percentage points. Of course Kira would be unhappy. Especially after using Strike Freedom
>>24044847>and frankly the booster shield more than makes up for it and Is harder to stopThe booster shield seems to be bulkier and harder to use in close combat. It also seems to have weaker anti-beam coating and can't block beam saber strikes that well.
>>24044847Rising is NEWER but it's not STRONGER. Give me the original Freedom every single time. If they were cars, Rising would be like a Toyota Prius. Everything is designed around the idea of being efficient and energy saving. Original Freedom is like a muscle car. Older. Less technology. But Designed around maximum output horsepower with giving af about saving energy.
>>24044847>frankly the booster shield more than makes up for it Not really. It's a giant beam boomerang. >and Is harder to stopDebatable. All the enemies that encountered only lost because they were taken by surprise and using older suits that were in poor condition. A well prepared enemy probably won't fall for it.
