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There are those who said this day would never come.
What are they to say now?
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>>24037274
This should've been the visual Mighty Strike Freedom in the movie instead.
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>>24037284
Yeah, I kinda didn't like that the final new upgrade was just a slightly modified Strike freedom with a new backpack.I thought the Rising Freedom was the cooler design. Especially since it pulls back on some of the excess of the Strike Freedom and is closer to the OG Freedom.

The proud defender wings are still a bit over designed but I like how they look here. Though it would've been better if instead of 5 golden "feathers" on top of the 4 white feathers on each wing they just went with 2 or 3 golden feathers that spread evenly between the white feathers. It would look more balanced that way.
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>>24037274
>>24037275
I hope they add this in EXVS.
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Have we weaponized every aspect of the gundam yet? There should be one that uses the chest vents offensively.
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op is filipino
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>msv
Literally never happened
It's a what if.
You can make a what-if where Black Widow pistol whippped Thanos so hard that he lost conciousness, fell backward onto a rock and broke his neck killing himself but it will only be a what if and never reality.
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>>24039228
MSVs aren't the same as that kind of what-if scenario.

MSVs usually exist somewhere in the setting of their main work either as a conceptual design that wasn't constructed or a unit that appears off screen in side materials. Very different from totally imaginary timelines like "what if Char gets the Gundam during OYW"
In this case this variant of the RF is one that exists, but just wasn't fielded due to the RF being destroyed before the PD was deployable or necessary to deploy.
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All rook same
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>>24037275
This should have been the Kira's final suit in Seed Freedom instead of reusing Strike Freedom.
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>>24040741
Fukuda wouldn't allow anything other than his pet MS to be the most powerful ever.
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>>24039260
>In this case this variant of the RF is one that exists, but just wasn't fielded due to the RF being destroyed before the PD was deployable or necessary to deploy.
Or, option 3, it was a systems integration test because Strike Freedom wasn't available after the theft incident.
I don't think they would build a pack from scratch without testing whether it would work with an MS. It doesn't have any weapons of its own and the bike cockpit is supposed to be a retrofit, so it couldn't be used autonomously before.
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>>24040818
Actually it's because
>old suit is inferior, new suit better
Is a boring trope that Fukuda rightly rejected. CCA being a shitty movie is common knowledge but if Amuro began the movie with Nu Gundam and abandoned it for a Jesta that he beats Char's ass with it would be the hypest shit
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>>24041561
>CCA being a shitty movie is common knowledge
Nigger, everyone in the industry worships CCA like a sacred treasure.

>and abandoned it for a Jesta that he beats Char's ass with it would be the hypest shit
Terrible example. The Jesta was a "new" unit as well, and a grunt to boot. You think the CE is the kind of setting that would, say, have Kira piloting a Z.A.K.U. (even with a custom backpack)? Be serious.

Anyhow, this is more like if Astonaige and Mosk Han had pulled RX-78-3 from mothballs and painted it in parade colors for Amuro's use. It would be the same kind of "theatre cheering" fanservice people criticize Disney for constantly doing in Star Wars and the MCU. Tomino isn't that kind of director: MS are tools for him and his characters.
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>>24040829
It was built for Rising because Kira found it didn't have the power required for his Jesus Yamato moments as shown in the beginning of the film where despite taking down dozens he's completely wiped out afterwards. It was to bring Rising back up to the level of the previous Freedom's. It was hastily retrofitted to fit Strike Freedom thanks to that new genius guy on board which also ends up being ridiculously overkill because SF itself was already a powerful machine.
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what's the point, strike freedom's backstory got retconned like 6 fucking times, and I'm expecting the same shit with this one too
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>>24042969
That's not Strike Freedom, dumbass. Its exact origin is water under the bridge at this stage.
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>>24042974
I'm comparing it to strike freedom, dumbass
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>>24042929
>It was hastily retrofitted to fit Strike Freedom
No because the Disruptor requires the Proud Defender to work. Which means the Disruptor was built with the Proud Defender in mind.
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>>24043406
Which again makes no sense because they weren't planning on using Strike Freedom anytime soon according to the story. Unless the disruptor itself was added quickly prior to them deploying
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>>24040829
>Or, option 3, it was a systems integration test because Strike Freedom wasn't available after the theft incident.
>I don't think they would build a pack from scratch without testing whether it would work with an MS.

This.

I suspect Kira was already working on creating the Proud Defender pack during Seed Freedom Zero along with plans for the Strike Freedom upgrade.

But then Strike Freedom got hijacked and the suit was heavily damaged with an unknown date on when it would get repaired. When the original Freedom got trashed after Season 1, it took them over a year to rebuild it.

Seed Freedom Zero takes place 6 to 8 months prior to Seed Freedom. So Kira probably had to switch to Rising Gundam for testing Proud Defender. A case of "use what you have available and just make due for the time being."
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>>24043893
Why would it need it? Strike Freedom was cutting edge right after Destiny. It and IJ basically soloed most of the Zaft fleet. It didn't need a power up until the Black Knights were in the picture. Makes far more sense for it to be designed for Rising to make up for it's power loss compared to SF.
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>>24043902
Same thing could be said for the Rising since it was doing fine against the enemies they expected to fight, including the Destroy Gundams. It didn't struggle until it fought the BKs.
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>>24043971
It was doing ok but it was well below Kira's usual power output, which you could see by the sheer effort he had to put into fighting all those forces in the opening fight compared to how he used to basically sleepwalk through grunt fights in Freedom and SF.
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>>24044067
>which you could see by the sheer effort he had to put into fighting all those forces in the opening fight compared to how he used to basically sleepwalk through grunt fights in Freedom and SF
I think that's more of a drama thing ("I HATE FIGHTING AND WE AREN'T ACCOMPLISHING ANYTHING!!!") than Rising's actual technical capability. Kira wiped out the Blue Cosmos forces with zero effort.
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>>24044067
>It was doing ok but it was well below Kira's usual power output
I feel like that's more directorial than a powerlevel issue, I mean, look at how slow and braindead kira was in the fight against Stella's destroy, or how much he was struggling against the druggies throughout seed
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>>24043971
You need to understand the design philosophy behind Mighty. It's the ultimate "win without fighting" unit:
>barrier that blocks every single kind of attack: beams, railguns, missiles...
>telepathically controlled nanoparticles that can remotely disable entire fleets
>Disruptor beam that can cut through all matter without causing an explosion
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>>24043971
>>24044102
Man, SEED Freedom's CGI is so much better than Hathaway's.
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>>24044108
>or how much he was struggling against the druggies throughout seed
That's called bad writing, or if you want to be generous, "jobbing". Kira had numerous occasions to kill the fucking worthless Boosted Men, especially after Justice showed up.
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>>24044113
delulu
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>>24044113
Hathaway suffers from Murase stubbornly wanting to ape Nolan when that aesthetic just doesn't work for the gundam combat under his current direction of it. And also the fact that the designs were already bulky as fuck and don't work for typical gundam humanoid hand to hand combat either.

Hathaway's Gundam's should've been animated like fighter jets. They should've taken notes from Macross. Especially since one of the ideas of Hathway is to show that mobile suit tech and battle strategy has developed so much that they have looped back around and become simlar in function to the conventional combat vehicles(Helicopters and Fighter Jets) they initially replaced.
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>>24043902
Then anime director of Seed Freedom specifically said in interviews that Kira was unhappy with the performance of Rising Freedom compared to Strike Freedom. Which makes sense that, besides the new drone shield, the Rising Freedom is essentially a watered down battery powered version of the original Freedom.
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>>24044177
>Hathaway suffers from Murase stubbornly wanting to ape Nolan when that aesthetic just doesn't work for the gundam combat under his current direction of it.
Thanks for putting my thoughts into words. I wasn't quite sure how to describe Hathaway's Flash. I was watching the movie but couldn't quite describe what I was feeling. I was watching a movie about Giant Robots but the movie lacked the majesty and awe of giant robots fighting each other. I also wasn't sure what year this movie is supposed to take place in. I thought Gundam was supposed be several hundred years in the future yes? They are supposed have flying cars like I saw in 0079 (picture attached), but everything in Hathaway's Flash looked like it took place 2026. I swear I saw cars in the background that looked like modern BMWs and Rolls Royce. It was not future cars at all. Would you say the Director is copying the Nolan aesthetic of trying to keep everything hyper realistic?
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>>24044166
The only delulus are the people who think the CGI in the latest Hathaway film looked acceptable.
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>>24044214
>They are supposed have flying cars like I saw in 0079 (picture attached),

I feel like even Zeta stepped back on that. See the pilot suits becoming bulkier and when we see Hong Kong, it's mostly 80s Hong Kong. I really got the impression Tomino thought the futuristic aesthetic of the first Gundam looked goofy and actually wanted everything that wasn't directly tied to the mobile suit/space technology to look pretty much like "modern" Earth - note even the small civilian cars for 1/2 people were actually based on electric models from the time, just way more widespread.
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>>24044225
We saw stuff in Zeta like civilians now having access to jet backpacks like it's no big deal. Which seems to miniaturize whatever technology is being used in the flying cars from 0079. Hathaway Flash seems to ignore it.
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>>24044264
that jet wingsuit existed in 2015 so by UC standards it's like 200+year old tech.

Origin didn't forget that hovercars existed.
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>>24037275
So it's just Rising Freedom with Mighty Strike Freedom's wings? Where's the katana?
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>>24044346
It's Rising Freedom, but its lost the ability to transform.
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>>24044346
proud defender originally didn't have a katana or a cockpit. it was supposed to be fully auto-guided and dock with rising freedom like the impulse automatically docks parts and packs. because of all the bullshit that happened in the movie, they hurriedly modified the proud defender to work with strike freedom instead of rising freedom, and added the katana because their enemies the black knight MS squad all use beamproof armor that makes beam sabers much less effective
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>>24044360
Mehh. Rising Freedom was a garbage mobile suit anyway. Proud Defender is better with Strike Freedom. More power and more lethal final combination.
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>>24044193
>Kira was unhappy with the performance of Rising Freedom
THIS FUCKING PHRASE AGAIN. How many times have you written this exact fucking thing?
>>24036096
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>>24044214
>I thought Gundam was supposed be several hundred years in the future yes?
iirc the universal century is supposed to start in the late 21st or 22nd century iirc so 0079 is like 2150a.d or 2250a.d
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>>24044599
You are one weird anon. If thats what Fukuda said then whats the problem
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>>24044641
The problem is you repeating the EXACT same sentence over and over and over. It really sounds like spam or Duel, who I know is leaving his fecal droppings on /a/. Can you at least change the fucking wording?
Or is this some bot?
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>>24044656
I dont care about your imaginary rivalry with your enemy. Dont drag me into into it
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>>24044670
>imaginary rivalry
Uh-oh, this confirms it.
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>>24044177
>>24044214
>I was watching a movie about Giant Robots but the movie lacked the majesty and awe of giant robots fighting each other.
That's because the director is aiming for something very different: showcasing the sheer horror of MS combat. There is no "majesty" to be made about a bunch of terrorists fighting a secret police.
This shot is among the best in the first movie. We've seen mecha dropping their weapons all the time in shows and movies, but this gives us a sense of human scale: the rifle is the size of a fucking building. This is a constant theme:
>The residual sparks of a beam shot are powerful enough to melt metal street posts.
>A Messer landing causes a dust cloud the size of a street block
>the feet of a Manhunter Jegan dwarf street traffic.
There's lots of panoramic shots and the ground moves below the characters as they fly away. Everything in the animation is deliberate and gives you a sense of things happening of a much wider context. The field research in the Philippines and Australia is a part of that, and it shows.
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>>24044656
If Fukuda literally said those exact words then what is your issue with it? Do you hate Fukuda?
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>>24044677
Ok, but then you have shit like this:
https://youtu.be/-Ad8OPal2So?si=9xcQEBf0OTaqRfeY
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>>24044685
My issue is with you. You're a fucking spammer. Can you rephrase the statement at least, so it's not so notorious? Do you speak English, even?
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>>24044685
You come off like you're quoting scripture, not like you have any idea what you're saying, which makes your posts of minimal value.
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>>24044688
What's the problem with that sequence? I think it's excellent.
>Xi detects danger approaching.
>Hathaway turns the unit around and fires missiles to intercept
>Later, he fires grenades that create a chaff cloud, shooting down the rest
Everything takes time to happen. There's no "money shot" of the interceptions themselves, just the camera in the cockpit. Everything has a mass, like the Messer hooking up with the Galcezon or the Xi's turn.
You can tell the animators took clues from combat footage from Ukraine.

And sure, you can complain about the CG being rough around the edges, but's that's compensated by interesting direction.
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>>24044693
He's this close from calling him "Fukuda kantoku-dono".
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>>24044698
Yeah, it's pointless to talk to someone who's pretentious enough to think this looks good or even exciting.
https://youtu.be/VZQxHLs3mOk?si=gG6DZeu8lSNbFdvM
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>>24044712
Okay, make an argument, then. Other than the CG, what makes that scene look bad or boring? Spewing buzzwords doesn't help you.
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>>24044693
Seems like you are obsessed with anyone who mentions fukuda. You have fukuda derangement syndrome.
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>>24044677
Contrast this to the direction of SEED Freedom, which is orthodox to a fault. If you pay attention, you'll note that a good deal of the action shots in the movie either start or end with a close-up of the robot's head. It's constant to the point of becoming monotonous, and that is added to the style of having the robots posing all the time.

Plus the fast pace, sometimes so frenetic it's difficult to make sense of what you're watching.
This is a real accomplishment from the point of view of storyboarding and animating, but it makes for lousy direction. For all the things moving on-screen, there's surprisingly little damage happening across that fight: SF loses its DRAGOONs and gets a surface stab in the chest, but the rest of the body is mostly intact.

There's no "majesty" and much less "awe" at work here. The visual language at work here, to the extent there is one, honestly feels like watching a toddler on Monster Energy playing with a bunch of toys:
>and then pew-pew and then zoom-whoom and then there's an explosion and the robot moves around and then...
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>>24044715
It needlessly over-complicates a tiny skirmish against just TWO enemy mobile suits. If this were any other UC Gundam series like Zeta Gundam, Kamille would have killed them in a few seconds.
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>>24044677
>showcasing the sheer horror of MS combat
He only ever achieves this in the attack on davao and the go pro footage at the start of HF2.

Every other MS scene suffers from poor cinematography and the actual combat is just poorly coordinated. Even if you're trying to convey the horror of combat you still need to create an aesthetically competent image. That's the foundational logos of filmmaking. You undercut your argument with bad imagery and screaming "but that's the point" isn't a viable justification.

Warfare is a film that does an amazing job at conveying this idea to the viewer, it's a movie that makes you want to never be even remotely near a battlefield and it does that with solid cinematography. You want to look at the screen.

If you want to convince people through film the image has to actually draw them in and immerse them otherwise your message will be totally ignored or just seem amateurish. Higher quality cinematographic images create depth and simultaneously bolster your message by creating a visceral example of what you're trying to convey. This instills trust in the viewer through authentic imagery, and makes them fall more deeply into the world you're illustrating. If your images have poor color balancing, or bad lighting whether it's due to an artistic decision or amateurish sloppiness it draws the viewer out of the experience and your thematic argument now falls apart because they don't intrinsically trust the image being shown to them.

There's a difference in a war film that makes you disgusted with the act of war vs a war film that makes you disgusted with watching the war film.
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>>24044698
>There's no "money shot" of the interceptions themselves, just the camera in the cockpit.
It repeats the same shots over and over. Exterior shot, then cockpit view from Hathaway, then a matching movement cut (e.g. Gundam head turns left and Hathaway's head turns left) to go back to the exterior shot.

The basic rule is you need at least 3 different angles/scenes to make it visually interesting and not repetitive. The battle scene really needed a scene shown from the enemy cockpits too. Not just

1. Battle outside
2. Hathaway cockpit
3. Battle outside.
4. Repeat
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>>24044718
You understand how obnoxious and pathetic it looks when you repeat (word by precise word, with no variation whatsoever), the same fucking phrase?

>>24044193
>Kira was UNHAPPY with the PERFORMANCE of Rising Freedom

>24023777
>Kira was UNHAPPY with the PERFORMANCE of the Rising Freedom.

>24026203
>Kira was very UNHAPPY with the combat PERFORMANCE of Rising Freedom

>24035661
>was very UNHAPPY with the PERFORMANCE of Rising Freedom.

>24026266
>Kira was very UNHAPPY with the PERFORMANCE of Rising Freedom.

>hurr durr but that's what fukuda said!
No, those are not his precise words because it's paraphrasing from a translation of his comments, which you haven't had even the courtesy of linking to in all of this time (so we're just taking your word for it out of courtesy! Go figure...).
The English language has synonyms: you do not need to repeat the same thing over and over.
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>>24044731

I'm not even part of this debate but I'm going to copy paste this "Fukuda was unhappy..." statement into every Seed thread I see because now I know how much it annoys you.

It makes you seethe so much.
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>>24044715
We were talking about the CGI, it's not just the fact that it looks bad, it looks bad because it's not directed well. Too much low effort dragging the still models around, even the suits that don't have Minovsky Craft look weightless and floaty as fuck. That Australian outback landscape looks like some low effort Unity asset with the exact same fucking bush copypasted a hundred times over the samey terrain.

It's laughable how your pretentious ass feels that the 3D model of the Base Jabber being dragged down a bit when the Messer steps on it is worthy of praise.

5 fucking years to make this shit btw.

I'll take a decent job at making CGI look like classic 2D animation (with some actual 2D thrown in here and there) a million times over a horribly janky and low effort attempt at making CGI look "realistic".

https://youtu.be/2-W6apq1GYE?si=ZeL6utXg4CZE1r2n
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>>24044720
>There's no "majesty" and much less "awe" at work here. The visual language at work here, to the extent there is one, honestly feels like watching a toddler on Monster Energy playing with a bunch of toys:
The issue with this comparison is that SEED is successful here. This is exactly the kind of feeling SEED is trying to invoke. It's a series that is juvenile and is intentionally designed like a shoujo take on Gundam.
There is 100% a competent visual language to SEED as well, it draws from a lot of tokusatsu shows. The focus on the faces of the MS and the obari sword poses are meant to convey a sense of heroism and also represent how the gundams in this setting aren't simply just tools but deeply tied to the identity of the pilots.
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>>24044735
>That Australian outback landscape looks like some low effort Unity asset with the exact same fucking bush copypasted a hundred times over the samey terrain.
This was another issue I had with that scene too. It's so distracting. 0083 and 08th ms had battles in similar desert flatland environments but the background art was handled a lot better.
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How is Kira unhappy with Risings performance when it's literally an upgrade over the original freedom in every way? No dragoons? Can't use them I the atmosphere anyway and frankly the booster shield more than makes up for it and Is harder to stop
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>>24044847
I'd imagine Kira didn't have manage power output in Freedom compared to Rising Freedom. With Rising Freedom, there's always the risk of running out of power mid-fight unlike in Freedom. Someone that likes to spam beam attacks and be flashy like Kira would find constant battery management annoying.
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>>24044847
It's what Fukuda said in an interview when explaining Rising Freedom Gundam to Japanese fans. Then he told a story about how the suit was supposed to have more of a mass production look but there was a miscommunication with the mecha designer for the movie. The designer accidentally made Rising and Immortal look like actual Gundams with a Gundam head. Fukuda didn't have time to delay the movie and wait for a re-designs. So he just kept the designs and used them for the movie. From what I could tell from Fukuda's words they were basically supposed to look more like GMs.
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>>24044847
No nuclear power = lower output weapons

No nuclear power = lower output thrusters

No nuclear reactor = not able to beam spam repeatedly.

It wouldn't surprise me if a single beam spam drains the battery by several percentage points.

Of course Kira would be unhappy. Especially after using Strike Freedom
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>>24044847
>and frankly the booster shield more than makes up for it and Is harder to stop
The booster shield seems to be bulkier and harder to use in close combat. It also seems to have weaker anti-beam coating and can't block beam saber strikes that well.
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>>24044847
Rising is NEWER but it's not STRONGER. Give me the original Freedom every single time. If they were cars, Rising would be like a Toyota Prius. Everything is designed around the idea of being efficient and energy saving. Original Freedom is like a muscle car. Older. Less technology. But Designed around maximum output horsepower with giving af about saving energy.
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>>24044847
>frankly the booster shield more than makes up for it
Not really. It's a giant beam boomerang.

>and Is harder to stop
Debatable. All the enemies that encountered only lost because they were taken by surprise and using older suits that were in poor condition. A well prepared enemy probably won't fall for it.
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>>24044731
>No, those are not his precise words
Prove it.
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>>24037274
How the heck does this thing even work? This suit would run out of power in like 1 minute. Rising Freedoms battery can't power those weapons without being drained. Rising doesn't have the dueterion beam system either like Impulse. So once the battery dies it needs to go back to the ship for a recharge. Makes zero sense
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>>24045142
Fukuda said not to take databooks seriously. They are made for fun and don't always reflect the views of himself or the staff. They are often written with outdated information or something the director didn't approve of. Fukuda read them for fun but only take the anime and interviews with the staff seriously.
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Does it have the forehead beam?
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>>24045330
>Fukuda said not to take databooks seriously.
There's no other performance to refer to. There's no contradiction here, cause there's no other point of reference other then blind speculation.
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>>24045387
Then how would Mighty Rising Freedom even work? The power demands are enormous for that nano particle shield and lightning blast.
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>>24045393
probably a lower output version of that weapon, or it just burns through its battery in one use.

Unless the proud defender has its own NJC?
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>>24045393
I don't think it works at all. It's probably why the Proud Defender had so much trouble connecting with the Rising Freedom and why Kira was so frustrated. He was putting his best efforts to try to make the connection work but it failed. I can imagine Kira kept trying a bunch of test programs and algorithms that would try to lower output but kept failing.

A lot people in this Seed threads seem to forget one major thing: Kira did not design Rising Freedom Gundam. Zaft and Orb Engineers did. These people made decisions that Kira himself maybe wouldn't do. It explains why Kira was so frustrated if Fukuda is to be believed. Kira was tinkering with someone else's design work.
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>>24045397
Doesn't the battery have to meet minimum voltage requirement before it can power weapons? Like you can't expect a Strike Gundam battery to power Destroy Gundam even for 1 second. It would trip a breaker or blow a fuse
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>>24045330
You can't take what Fukuda say seriously either. The man is constantly contradicting himself. What is consider canon and accurate information is all based on the vibe of Fukuda at the moment.
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>>24045330
It's best to not take anything Fukuda says seriously either. This is the same man who said Astray was non canon because he was seething at the fact that Lowe did the katana thing first, despite the fact that Astray was part of SEED's multimedia project launch and even went out of its way to fix his fuck-ups.
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>>24045528
I don't agree with Fukuda on a lot of things, but do you think it's fair to disown Astray when it just becomes too much? As far as I know Fukuda didn't hate Astray at first, but a lot of the stuff the writers for Astray did is pretty bonkers and ridiculous as time went on. Such as building a giant ship sized physical katana that was as big as the Archangel ship, and could slice open colonies with its swings. That technology just breaks so many things about the rules of the Seed universe. So I can't exactly blame Fukuda for hating it.
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>>24045528
>This is the same man who said Astray was non canon because he was seething at the fact that Lowe did the katana thing first
Proof?
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>>24045528
Gonna need you to cite your sources...or are you gonna run away like last time?
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>>24045055
Literally decap-attack'd a Destroy
Kira isn't gonna do that with dragoons
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>>24045528
You gonna give us your source or are you gonna ignore us like before.
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>>24045528
The Astray mangas went full retard. It's honestly best to not consider them canon.
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>>24045528
Stop ignoring me and give me your source otherwise your post is invalid.
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>>24045588
But enough about you.
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>>24045571
Nowhere near the retard level of what's shown in SEED Freedom desu
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>>24045587
>>24045568
>>24045555
>>24045536
No one wants to spoon-feed you anon. Your behavior is exactly why other posters refuse to help you.
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>>24045856
Just admit you made that shit up, bro. No amount of deflections and excuses you give will make your bullshit any more believable than other false narratives such as Tomino hating Nagano.
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>>24045859
No one cares what you think. You don't get that at all.
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>>24045863
If that was the case, you wouldn't even be doing shit like bringing le spoonfeeding up to justify why you're pussying out when told to back your bullshit up. Keep spamming your lies all you want, but don't come crying when someone rightfully calls them bullshit.

Only one of the 4 posts you quoted up there is mine (>>24045536) btw, so have fun knowing that there's more than one person out there doubting your seething schizophrenic narratives, faggot. Maybe now you'll realize that they're not nearly as convincing as you think they are.
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>>24045867
It's just you pretending to be different people. There no one else on /m/who is this obsessed with Fukuda except you.
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>>24045587
>>24045568
>>24045555
>>24045536
>>24045867
>it's just one schizo spamming retard demanding citations

lol. reboot your phone and get yet another ip address! quick! lmao.
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>>24045872
>There no one else on /m/who is this obsessed with Fukuda except you.
I'm not the one making up schizo narratives around him and typing several posts seething over him in every Seed thread for years.
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>>24037274
it feels more like an afterthought considering Kira and Athrun are supposed to pilot Murasames on that part. fukuda just liked the couple of sketches that Okawara did so he changed them into what we know now as Rising and Immortal.
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>>24045886
You aren't fooling anyone.
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>>24045896
Yeah. Rising Freedom and Immortal Justice were basically heavily upgraded Murasames with some extra tech thrown in. Which matches well with Fukuda's statements about Kira not liking the performance of Rising Freedom. I think the Gundam head throws a lot of people off. If they were plain looking mass production heads without the Gundam crown, then people would believe it more.
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>>24045899

Immortal Justice isn't a problem. It can transform and has lots of beam sabers. It has no beam shield which drains power, and the backpack can't detach. So Immortal Justice is realistic. It's a downscaled battery powered Justice Gundam mixed with some Aegis tech.

The real problem is Rising Freedom. It can fly under gravity, transform, has phase shift, has Full Burst mode, has Hi-Mat, has the drone shield (which also has phase shift), multiple beam cannons, AND has an energy guzzling beam shield. Not even Akatsuki can do all that. I feel like orb designers were really pushing the limits of battery tech. It's a bit unrealistic to pack all that technology on just a battery powered suit.
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>>24044735
>5 fucking years to make this shit btw.
They didn't spend 5 full years working on it. The actual work was probably 1 to 2 years. The rest of the time was spent on "scouting" (aka free trips to exotic locations paid for by the company).
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>>24045898
Fooling anyone about what? I can copypaste your schizoid bullshit onto the archive and find you seething over Fukuda, saying the exact same shit and playing retard when questioned in threads from back when SEED Freedom came out. The only source there has ever been for your claims is your mentally ill mind.
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>>24045910
It's more funny to not give you the sources and watch you rage cry in every Seed thread.
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>>24045912
>It's more funny to not give you the sources
What sources? There aren't any.
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>>24045913
Yes. Keep crying about it Sanjay.
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>>24045863
He probably writes for the Gundam wiki and steals content. You can tell because he uses the word "citation" which only wiki writers use. Don't give him anything. Let him do the work and research himself. Ignore any begging for sources.
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>>24045924
Keep crying about Fukuda, Pedro.
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>>24045929
This retarded cope is still as retarded and nonsensical as ever. And he can't give me shit because he literally made it all up.
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>>24045929
He must be new here because all this stupid e-begging only started a year ago when the Seed movie got released. He must not live in America since long time American /m/ veterans know to lurk more and research themselves.
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>>24045943
Why are you still spouting your retarded copes? One can't do research on sources that quite literally don't exist, you can't expect your bullshit to go completely unquestioned for years, "just trust me bro" has always been the reply of obvious liars like you.
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>>24045945
>One can't do research on sources that quite literally don't exist
Weak bait. You can't even troll properly summer child.
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>>24045946
Pics or it didn't happen, wannabe oldfag.
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>>24045945
I bet you're a Gundam Wiki mod that reverts improvements to articles even when provided with undeniable proof

>>24045946
Nigga you're literally expecting people to believe you at face value, that doesn't happen regardless of whether you're telling god's truth or the devil's lies, you HAVE to be a newfag to expect people to change their minds instantly when told ANYTHING at all
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>>24045950
>I bet you're a Gundam Wiki mod that reverts improvements to articles even when provided with undeniable proof
If that was the case then why would I even be asking for proof in the first place? I could just make shit up like the other faggot and call it a day like the typical power-tripping mod, that's how retarded your logic here is.
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>>24045956
If you believe it's fake then stop asking for a source and taking up thread space with your begging and whining
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>>24045571
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>>24045985
>>24045571

Now I know why Fukuda says Gundam Seed Astray is not true Gundam Seed.

Astray has vampires with 3 eyes running around.

Vampires! Lmao.
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>>24045929
>He probably writes for the Gundam wiki and steals content. You can tell because he uses the word "citation" which only wiki writers use. Don't give him anything. Let him do the work and research himself. Ignore any begging for sources.

Different anon here but I actually answered his questions 2 years ago and gave scans from a seed databook I ordered from Japan. Not once did he actually say thank you or acknowledge they were wrong. The idiots even took my personal scans and uploaded it to their wiki page and claimed all the credit. They gave THEMSELVES credit on their wiki page, and refused to mention it came from 4chan. The scans they stole even still has the custom watermark I added still on the page.

So yeah. Fuck that this wiki beggar. Never gonna help you fuckers write your wiki again. Go order the databooks yourself from Japan. It's not on any public website either so you will have to spend your own money.
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>>24045571
>>24045988
The main issue with those panels is the art. A main character walking all over special forces is something that already happened in SEED tv. The eye is just a mechanical implant.
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Unfortunately for astray anon I can prove him wrong and I only need to cite his own posts to do it.
'Fukuda hates astray' was a meme that existed before seed freedom with no basis and only recently has he added the 'hurdur he hates that astray used a katana first'. He will never give proof for his claims because they don't exist.
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>>24046050
Anon is talking about the Japanese promotional fan meetups that happened around the time Seed Freedom was released. It was done to promote the Seed Freedom movie. The Japanese wrote about these events on social media. A select group of Japanese fans could attend the event and ask questions with the movie staff and learn more about the film.

Director Fukuda was able to attend one of these fan meetups. So the Japanese fans were able to directly ask Fukuda questions about the movie. One of the questions was about Mighty Strike Freedom's Katana and if Lowe from Seed Astray manga helped Kira forge it. Apparently, Fukuda seemed slightly "annoyed" at the question and said that Seed Astray is completely unrelated to the Seed movie. Fukuda stressed there were zero ties and no connection. Fukuda also added that he personally doesn't consider Seed Astray as "real Gundam Seed" because he didn't direct it or write the story.

Of course we are going off what the Japanese fans have said about the meetup event. Fukuda himself has not confirmed or denied the words. So it's up to you whether or not you consider Japanese fans social media posts as a valid source. The event was not video recorded and there was no photography was allowed. So fans can only share what happened by writing about it.
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>>24046082
Lmao. We all know that Gundam wiki doesn't consider social media posts as valid sources even if the Director himself writes it. They are hyper obsessed with useless databooks and nothing else.
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>>24046082
Dude don't tell him where to look. It's more enjoyable watching him whine and beg in these threads.
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>>24046017
>The eye is just a mechanical implant.
Then why is it in his forehead?
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>>24046082
Isn't this like asking if all Japanese swords were made by musashi miyamoto? That's kind of tone deaf especially since the GiNNs that took part in break the world also had katanas. Did Lowe make those too?
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>>24046181
Red Frame Astray mobile suit is pretty popular with Japanese fans. It even has a perfect grade release.
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>>24046181
Yeah it's a weird question to ask. But part of me thinks the Japanese fans were politely trolling Fukuda. Within the Japanese community it's been heavily rumored that Fukuda doesn't get along with the Seed Astray manga staff.

It all started when Seed Astray had Lowe save Kira in Strike Gundam. Apparently Fukuda wasn't consulted about this storyline and it made Fukuda mad. He didn't want Lowe saving Kira. Later on Seed Astray was going to launch a Seed manga series with the Astray girls from Season 1. They were going to to be the main characters and have stories featuring them.

Fukuda apparently heard about it, and then mysteriously ALL 3 Astray Girls were killed brutally in the ending of Seed Season 1. With zero room for doubt. The Seed Astray writers were not informed of their deaths until the episode actually aired on TV. This caused big issues behind the scenes and the entire manga had to be rewritten last minute and many storylines canceled.

Many Japanese fans speculate that this was payback from Fukuda. They asked Fukuda in an interview if he talks with any of the manga writers and Fukuda cheekily denied it. He said he doesn't have "spare time" to talk to the manga staff and is too busy directing the Seed anime. But many found it odd that only the Astray girls were killed. The rest of the good guy faction characters survived. Even Mwu survive being shot by Lohengrin (which the Japanese thought was hilarious and weird).

Then the Seed Astray writers got back at Fukuda by writing about Orb and all the behind the scenes politics and factions fighting each other behind the scenes. Fukuda apparently didn't like this either. He doesn't like the idea of Orb not being united and having infighting behind the scenes.

The Japanese fans were definitely trolling Fukuda with that question in my opinion.
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>>24046191
He must be salty that the Astray mangas mog the fuck out of the main series
I bet he works overtime pulling his connections to make sure they never get an anime
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>>24046181
>That's kind of tone deaf especially since the GiNNs that took part in break the world also had katanas. Did Lowe make those too?

Uhh...

Anon....

Actually....

If you believe the Seed Astray is canon, then yes. Lowe was somehow involved in their creation. I know you were being sarcastic, but Seed Astray manga inserted itself into that anime storyline, and said they were involved in the creation of those Katanas used by the Ginns.
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>>24046191
>opinion
>not fact
And the TRUTH will SET YOU FREE

you made up the 'fukuda hates astray' nonsense and it's all hearsay overexaggerations

Thank you. Thread over.
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>>24046217
>Lacking reading comprehension
The original statement was that Fukuda doesn't consider Gundam Seed Astray as canon.
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>>24046191
Japamese polite culture means all the juicy gossip is hidden behind closed doors.
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>>24046217
Nice goal post shifting. You begged anons for a source on Fukuda saying Seed Astray was not real Gundam Seed. Then when you got it, the goalpost suddenly changed to Fukuda "hating" Gundam Seed Astray. Don't think we didn't notice.
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>>24046195
I can't agree with astray on this one. Zaft was already shown to be capable of making giant physical swords in Gundam Seed. Making a katana is not a stretch. Why does astray try to make it so mystical and something only lowe can do? It's pointless.
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>>24046015
>Different anon here but I actually answered his questions 2 years ago and gave scans from a seed databook I ordered from Japan
You didn't answer my questions because I never asked *you* anything in the first place, someone else did. I don't give a damn about databooks or any autistic debates relating to them that always keep being brought up in SEED threads such as whether or not beams clash in SEED or how the Destiny's battery works. I don't even know whatever you were trying to prove because I know I wasn't part of that thread, I don't even remember seeing anyone here share any SEED databooks, just a few screenshots at most (and you can definitely keep those to yourself, I'm not asking for any of your shit, schizo).

>>24046104
I don't know why I didn't do this sooner, but one quick Google search shows me that the Gundam wiki doesn't even fucking have an article on Fukuda. These retarded schizos really think I'm gonna write a whole page about him based on (nonexistent) Tweets claiming he hates Astray, I might've as well scraped his whole Xitter page to write an article about him based on every single random comment he Tweets if I was a desperate wiki mod looking to steal any info possible like they claim. That's how retarded their logic is.
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>>24046238
>when you got it
But he didn't, all he got was the same schizoid anon once again claiming that it totally happened and that you must take his word for it. It's really easy to claim that the "Japanese fans" said this or that to make it seem like it holds any weight, even if they never really said what they supposedly said.
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>>24046332
You been given enough clues to find it yourself. Can you please at least put an ounce of effort yourself into searching Japanese Twitter instead of annoying us with your constant whining? You probably could have found whatever citation you are looking for already instead of posting here annoying us.
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>after all this time 'fukuda dislikes astray' anon admitted he made the whole thing up based on his own opinion
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You people are idiots ruining the thread. You keep falling for this anons bait about citations and sources. The proper response is to ignore him. Don't spoon-feed.
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>>24045330
Anon, it's an MSV.
Maybe it will appear in something eventually, but at this point it is essentially a MS that only exists in databook format.
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>>24046366
>Can you please at least put an ounce of effort yourself into searching Japanese Twitter
I just did, there's nothing.
>instead of annoying us
I'll keep calling you out on your bullshit for as long as you keep parroting it.
>You probably could have found whatever citation you are looking for already
I can't, because it doesn't exist. The only citations are the anons peddling their false narratives here.
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>>24046382
>calling people out on their bullshit is bait now
>he thinks the mentally ill shitposting retards making stuff up about the shows and their staff to fit their deranged narratives don't deserve to be called out
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>>24046424
>I'll keep calling you out on your bullshit for as long as you keep parroting it.
Yes yes. We're all just the same person. It's just one guy pretending to be 25 people. Blah blah blah blah. We've heard this already. Anything else?
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>>24046432
>We're all just the same person. It's just one guy pretending to be 25 people.
Yeah, just like me, right?

Even if you're not him, you're still one of the retards who fell for his lies and keeps defending them for no reason other than because you want others to also believe they're true.
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>>24046444
>announcing a report like a retarded pussy
>has no issue at all with the seething faggot who derails every single SEED thread to push his false narrative that Fukuda hates Astray to prove how supposedly petty he is because he has a massive autistic vendetta against the man just like a bunch of other mentally ill retards here
Yeah, you just showed me.
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>>24046448 cont.
>going off-topic
By the way, I'm not the one who started ranting about irrelevant bullshit like the Gundam wiki and their shitty mods here, you faggots did.
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>>24046325
The Ginn's swords were kind of shitty to anything that was more advanced than a Dagger. Lowe's katana meanwhile was made of a special metal and could deflect beams damage PS and was so sharp it didn't need much kinetic force per swing being as powerful as a beam saber without actually using any power.
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>>24046191
>Even Mwu survive being shot by Lohengrin (which the Japanese thought was hilarious and weird)

Mwu was only retconned to survive when Destiny started production. If SEED had been stand alone as originally planned he'd have actually died
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>>24046191
>He doesn't like the idea of Orb not being united and having infighting behind the scenes.
I think it's more like he didn't like the idea of other people thinking about that before Fukuda himself, considering how Destiny immediately pulled that stuff with Yuna Roma Seiran.
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>>24046444
>ruining the thread
Citation needed.
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>>24046452
>By the way, I'm not the one who started ranting about irrelevant bullshit like the Gundam wiki and their shitty mods here, you faggots did.
To be fair demanding citations for half the thread is off topic. You were told once where to look but didn't stop. That's flooding. You were also samefagging a lot.
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>>24046794
>To be fair demanding citations for half the thread is off topic
You're not a mod to decide that, and the topic was always the gossip surrounding Fukuda and Astray, you're the clowns who decided to deflect it with other unrelated shit.
>You were told once where to look but didn't stop.That's flooding
You wouldn't stop with all of your flimsy ass deflections either. And like I said, vagueposting like this won't make your bullshit any more believable, especially when someone actually looks into it and finds nothing.
>You were also samefagging a lot.
I never samefagged, whoever decided to reply thrice to the first faggot's post and whoever's baiting him with pics isn't me.
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>>24046801
Learn to drop it anon. You were told to look on X. If you can't find it then that's not our problem. You are annoying everyone here.

>I never samefagged
No one believes you.
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>>24046807
For real. The guy is ruining every single seed thread with his posts about source. He's either a schizo or a wiki writer. Either way he needs to stop
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>>24046801
>vagueposting
Oh great. More brainrot terms he's importing from other sites.
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>>24037274
>Radiance Grandeur
What does this even mean? I'm pretty sure Rising Freedom would struggle to produce the same amount of nano particles as Strike Freedom.
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>I should be able to make up things unopposed how dare you call me out on my obvious bullshit

Oh....
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>>24046807
>If you can't find it then that's not our problem.
It's pathetic how you'll just spout any excuse possible to avoid admitting that it's all a lie. It is your problem because it means you just got outed as a liar.

>No one believes you.
Fine then, just don't cry and whine when they call you out for samefagging too.

>>24046826
>The guy is ruining every single seed thread with his posts about source.
No, you are, I've seen you peddling your bullshit for fucking years, but now that it finally gets called out you decide to pull every trick in the book in a desperate attempt to keep your charade going.

>He's either a schizo or a wiki writer.
The only schizos are the ones making up retarded narratives to make anons hate Fukuda even more and avoid getting called out on their bullshit.

>Either way he needs to stop
I will, but only if you stop spouting your bullshit.

>>24046827
Like I said, any fucking excuse possible.
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>>24047033
>I've seen you peddling your bullshit for fucking years
>years
>years
>years

Now you finally admit you really are crazy.

Sorry but there isn't some hidden bad guy fighting you in every gundam thread.

You don't have an evil nemesis.

You are not the main character.

It's all in your head.
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>>24047055
Unlike you, I can actually prove what I claim.
https://desuarchive.org/m/search/text/Fukuda%20astray/

>Sorry but there isn't some hidden bad guy fighting you in every gundam thread.
The only retards I'm fighting are the schizos in this very same thread who say the very same shit they've been saying for years.
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>>24047033
Sounds more like you're just imagining things to get worked up about
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>>24047065
Says the nigger who claims I'm a wiki writer.
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>>24047062
Huuuuuuhh? You think were the same exact people who made those posts in 2009? DELUSIONAL.
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>>24047074
>You think were the same exact people who made those posts in 2009?
You have the same mentality as them, at the very least. Besides, the shit about Fukuda being supposedly mad about people comparing MSF's katana to the Red Frame's has been peddled since SEED Freedom came out 2 years ago, I literally copypasted a recent post of this kind into the archive and I got a post from 2024 saying the exact same shit.
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>>24047074
There's definitely something wrong with this anon. He thinks we are the same anons from late 2000s. And we've all been participating in a conspiracy to push a meme for almost 20 years. I think I'm just going to ignore his posts. Any post asking for source or citation is going on my block list.
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>>24047102
What does that have to do with us. Go complain on X. This board isn't your personal blog.
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>>24047110
>He thinks we are the same anons from late 2000s.
You're such a disingenuous faggot.
>And we've all been participating in a conspiracy to push a meme for almost 20 years.
Not a conspiracy, just the collective mental illness of some of the most autistic anons in this board.
>Any post asking for source or citation is going on my block list.
You're a pussy coward and I will keep calling you out on that for as long as you insist on spreading your lies. You will never convince anyone that your bullshit is true by saying shit like that.

>>24047121
>What does that have to do with us
You're the ones peddling all that bullshit that's just like the many myths about Tomino that have been disproven over the years with actual facts.
>This board isn't your personal blog.
It's also not your dumping ground to post your delusions about Fukuda and vent about your personal vendetta against Gundam wiki mods for betraying you or some shit.
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>>24047139
>I will keep calling you out on that for as long as you insist on spreading your lies.
Uh no. All I need to do is add words like citation or source to my blocklist, and your entire post is removed from my feed. I don't even see your post in the thread.
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>>24047148
You'll need to add every word in the dictionary to your stupid blocklist in order to pretend that your delusional spiel is going completely unquestioned.
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You're the liars! Gundam Wiki mod you should be in this boat! There'd have been no thread derail if it weren't for your precious citations!
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>>24047055
You can tell that wiki writer anon doesn't actually buy any anime he claims to watch. He's a pure pirate.

Otherwise he would know that a lot of interviews are on the bonus features on Blu-rays and DVDs. The Japanese usually don't share those parts since it would ruin the collector value of their purchase.
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>>24047247
Delusional nigger, these guys are claiming this shit comes from some supposed hearsay on Twitter about some secret meeting where conveniently no one was allowed to record anything, not from some audio commentary on a collector's edition DVD that anyone can buy.
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>>24047247
He's already been corrected several times. Ignore him. He either writes for the wiki or is some schizo ESL who loves Gundam Seed.
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>>24047299
A deflection is not a correction, SEED-obsessed schizo.
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>>24047302
You insult people like Chatgpt. Be more original.
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>>24047314
>Be more original
Says the zoomoid nigger using A.I. comparisons like every other zoomoid does.
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What’s this? Deacon having meltdown because the world now seeing what xhe truly is and is going to be replacing by AI?
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Just default to Fukuda=wrong because fuck him he's a hack who doesn't deserve to make anime. Regardless of sources or whatever or all that bullshit just forget about it and say Fukuda's wrong because fuck him. This is an anti Fukuda board. We hate him and always have.
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>>24047402
Glad to see you being honest for once.
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>>24047402
Nah. Fukuda is the director and writer of the anime, and works for Sunrise. Just like Tomino. If Fukuda says something about Seed, then it's canon. Doesn't matter if you dislike it. That's the truth.
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>>24047402
Make your own Gundam then motherfucker
What you pussy? MAKE. YOUR. OWN. GUNDAM.
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>>24047385
Is Deacon that upset these days? I wondered why he stopped releasing as much compared to the past.
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>>24047615
>an SEA
Nice projection, Nguyen.
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>>24047617
>No u
>No u
You can't even bant properly. Tsk.
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>>24047629
>the SEA doesn't realize that he outed himself, or how
How does it feel to be a literal retard, Nguyen? You should improve your English skills first before you go around calling others SEA.
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>>24047617
>>24047359
>>24047671
Not that anon but copying your opponent's insults makes you look like an idiot.

0/10

You didn't even put in any effort.
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>>24047599
He went on a racist tirade against 3rd worlders on r/Gundam because most of AI usage comes from 3rd world countries.
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>>24047694
>Not that anon
Whatever you say, anon.
>copying your opponent's insults makes you look like an idiot
He made a mistake and played himself, I just took the chance to shove it in his face and make it clear to him. If you can't understand the irony of calling someone "an SEA" in broken English either, then you might be just as retarded as him.
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>>24047710
>most of AI usage comes from 3rd world countries
So >>24047385 is probably from SEA, then.
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>>24047671
>No u
>No u
>No u
Yawn. Got anything else?
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>>24047723
>Got anything else?
I should be asking you that question, Minh. Can you come up with something better or are you just gonna keep posting ">No u" over and over again?
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>>24047561
SEED is shit and we should ignore it anyway. Stop talking about it, stop saying anything positive about that hack Fukuda. When did this board become so lame and gay, back in the day the proper responses was cursing Fukuda and his wife's names and ignoring SEED all together, sending people to actually worthy Gundam's like Turn A and everything made before it
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>>24047733
>No u
>No u
>No u
>No u *fourth time*

Yawn. 4th time now copying me. What else.
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>>24047755
/m/ didn't exist back when Seed was airing on TV. I hate pretenders like you. Go away.
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>all this because one guy just won't admit he made the Fukuda hated Astray thing up
This is the new 'Quess appeared as a ghost and called Hathaway a cuck loser who wasted his life right before the firing squad shot him'
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>>24047821
Stop samefagging.
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>>24047821
You are the only one who whines about Fukuda in this thread and demand we give you citations for everything we discuss. At least be honest and stop pretending. Make a tripcode username and stand by your posts.
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>>24047884
Just the one thing that you can't prove because you made it up. Stand by it.
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>>24047904
>Stand by your posts. Stop pretending.
>No you stand by!
Wow you really are a bot.
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>>24047766
Yawn. Got anything else?
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>>24047884
>You are the only one who whines about Fukuda
He's not the one making walls of text claiming Fukuda's a terrible person because he supposedly hates Astray.
>At least be honest and stop pretending. Make a tripcode username and stand by your posts.
Why don't you do that instead, Anti-Fukuda schizo?
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>>24048110
>>24048117
lol we struck a nerve, eat sh1t f4gg0t
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2-3 retards shitting an entire thread with their autism. Bravo.
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>>24047755
/m/ has always been a SEED board and will always be one no matter how much hate it gets, we proudly display it to the rest of the site with our Destiny banner.
>>24047775
Their nonstop seething has fried their braincells.
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>>24048120
Is that the really the best you could come up with? *yawn*
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>>24048136
Your lower though your a dalit
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>>24048314
Meh. Sounds like you have a personal problem.
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Fukuda here.
I hold no ill will towards Astray, you can even see ReHome in the Seed Special Edition. However, like most Gundam projects you should consider the animation as the official story and manga is considered supplemental. I do not know who this 4channeler is who assumes he can speak for me, but he sounds like a friendless loser who can't cite his sources. Please look forward to Gundam Seed Freedom Zero in theaters January 2027. Also, Gundam X sucks.
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>>24048363
Based.
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>>24048363
THANK YOU FUKUDA
THANK YOU FUKUDA
THANK YOU FUKUDA
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>>24048363
>He actually got spooked after reading Frozen Teardrop
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>>24044736
What you need to understand is that this whole thing is at the mercy of the executives at the toy company, who literally do not care. Every production is fungible with the other. There is very little place for artistic expression, much less accurately depicting the horror of war. Compromises have to be made.

In a Bandai exec's ledger sheet, Turn A and AGE are the worst Gundam shows ever created because they had terrible performance with their toys. Hathaway wouldn't be much a highlight either. It barely has new models to push model kits, to the point they had to create an entirely new unit almost from scratch so they could have something fresh to feature in store shelves.

If there's a thing I can fault the producers of Hathaway, it's spending too much of their budget into location scouting, instead of paying more attention to the animation itself.
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>>24049296
>There is very little place for artistic expression, much less accurately depicting the horror of war. Compromises have to be made.
This is an absolute lie.

Outside of a few core requirements (must have a certain number of mobile suits, battles, etc), the Gundam movie Directors and staff have a good amount of freedom. As long as the movie makes money and sells gunpla, the Bandai Executives leave the movie alone and let the staff do whatever they want.

You can even read behind the scenes interviews of the production where they are discussing how much freedom they have. There's even interviews where they discuss what mobile suit Lane should pilot for movie 2. They mentioned ZZ Gundam and a bunch of other ideas before settling on a Nu Gundam variant with Azyleus Gundam.

The staff just didn't do a good job with movie 2 when it came to battles and animation.
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What the hell is that gonna be
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>>24049476
Looks like a combination of rising freedom and cite freedom type ii
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>>24049476
Whatever it is, it will upset Fukuda.
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>>24049412
>This is an absolute lie.
>Outside of a few core requirements (must have a certain number of mobile suits, battles, etc), the Gundam movie Directors and staff have a good amount of freedom.
You honestly think they would allow, say, someone like Takahashi to do a show in the style of FLAG for their core franchise? Or Oshii, with his two hours of characters pondering and six seconds of mecha action at the end.
Much less doing an actually gory Gundam, where people get actually gored in detail by faceless robots, Angel Cop-style.
There's a tacit understanding of the rules between the execs and the creatives.

>As long as the movie makes money and sells gunpla, the Bandai Executives leave the movie alone and let the staff do whatever they want.
And how many new gunpla did Hathaway 2 have? Because they had to follow the novel's overall structure, they blew their load with the first movie, which forced them to put Alyzeus as a literal and figurative replacement. It's a numbers' game, and the third looks to be even worse.
What are they even going to release? Odysseus Version Movie Three?
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>>24037275
These heels are gayest shit ever.
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>>24050434
>These heels are gayest shit ever.
Yeah the action figure designer really messed up the feet or the dude has a high heel fetish. Kira uses the feet for kicking. It supposed to look like a thick boot. Why does the gunpla look like it's wearing high heels?
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>>24050520
Freedom always looked bulkier in the lineart than in the anime itself and model kits. In fact, I think it's the first time I've seen someone preferring the bulkier look from the lineart.
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>>24050434
Those are fine. If you want to see faggy shit, look at Angelo's unit.
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Rising Freedom CDE Configuration
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>>24054402
Immortal Justice CDE Configuration
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>>24037275
This one ain't so bad.
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>>24057479
Fuck off, Duel.
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>>24044214
Hmmm...
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>>24051159
these are riding boots, the other are gay as fuck
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>>24061817
This is literally
>It's okay if UC does it.
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>>24054402
>>24054404
Don't even mind the head. They should had at least kept the Rising and Immortal color scheme.
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>>24045985
A blue whale with giant bird wings living in space is still a little more absurd than this.
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Either Fukuda is utterly dishonest, or not a very bright man.
Because we all watched the same scene, right? As much as a rancid motherfucker Yuna was, we never saw him force himself on Cagalli in the way Orphee did to Lacus.

>SOURCE: Animage magazine, 2024



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