For all the hype this suit gets it seems pretty underpowered even if just compared to the F91 and the F91 just has after images
>>24038219>has an even better version of the system that makes Xi fly and miniaturized.>all ranged beam weapons make the VSBR and beam Magnum look overage or even underpowered.>if the pilot is skilled enough they can use what is essentially waste product as giant beam sabers.>unlike in many other shows both the V2 and V are not helpless in jet mode if the user is creative.No it's pretty good.
>>24038219V2 is the most broken and strongest UC Gundam if you don't apply the super robot hacks on Unicorn.It's also the only main UC Gundam that wasn't trashed at the end>Rx-78 got destroyed>Zeta and ZZ got destroyed>Alex, GPs and Ez8 got destroyed>Unicorn became crystallized >Nu and Xi got destroyed>F91 got severely damaged>V2 stayed intact
>>24038257But unicorn basically undid its crystallization.
>>24038262Was it? I think I misremembered then
>>24038219that's what happens when your enemy is a well funded military and your funded by donations.>>24038231>>24038257V2 is basically outmatched by most of its enemies. Zanneck can snipe from HALO where Usso only avoided it because of newtype shenanigans. Gengazo slapped V2 Buster Gundam alot and was basically saved by ramming a lot of top flyers and bottom flyers (was the nuclear reactor stored in the feet or arms? how the heck it caused that much of explosion?)
>>24038303To be fair both of those suits are newtype bullshit suits, the Zanneck especially being a sniper suit that operates off of the pilot's newtype sense telling it where to shoot from outside of sensor range. Fuala the pilot of both could also be argued to be like top 3 pilots in the show as well so saying the V2 has problems fighting once of the best aces of the era who was a newtype is special newtype suits but still managed to clutch it out in the end against both is a pretty good showing I'd say.
>>24038303There were only 2 to 3 comparable high end mobile suits to the V2, the best mobile suits fielded by Zanscare. Not only was Fuala's suits comparable to V2 (to the point Uso is wondering if the Gengazo's backpack has infinite energy), she was a stronger newtype and pilot.>was basically saved by ramming a lot of top flyers and bottom flyersThat was the Zanneck. Uso outright beats the shit out of the Gengazo at the end, but you can say Fuala was distracted due to her insanity and should've killed him earlier in that episode but got saved.
>>24038231>>all ranged beam weapons make the VSBR and beam Magnum look overage or even underpowered.I feel like I should pojnt out. These things are literally vsbrs, so the vsbrs didn't exactly go away for somethig entirely better.
>>24038516This kind of shows ir better.
Wasn't v2 mass machine?
speaking of F91... what's that thing like in gravity? it's pretty much built for space innit?
>>24038652Best answer I've ever seen to that was this https://desuarchive.org/m/thread/23955592/#23998473 anon a few months back. It's not a pretty answer.
>>24038219What? It has the core block system with spare parts ready, wings of light, vsbr, a shoulder beam cannon, and that super beam shield. v2ab has huge firepower, f91 only has mepe mode over it
>>24038219Spec-wise it's really good, the actual problem is its performance in the show (talking here about the add-on parts, not the core V2 itself).
>>24038652we see it operating in the colony just fine, it can probably fly as well as the victory models although im not sure if mepe works on earth
>>24038231>>has an even better version of the system that makes Xi fly and miniaturized.The F91 already had minovsky flight. >>all ranged beam weapons make the VSBR and beam Magnum look overage or even underpowered.They're not useful at all in the show.>>if the pilot is skilled enough they can use what is essentially waste product as giant beam sabers.The F91's afterimages are the same and it has psychoframe
>>24038765Not the anon you're arguing with, but>The F91 already had minovsky flight.No, it didn't.>The F91's afterimages are the same??? No, the F91's afterimages can't damage enemies or block beam attacks.Basically, as far as performance in the show itself goes, none of the weapons on the V2 are particularly impressive or special. And the extra armor sucks and gets taken down by handheld bazookas (so, an old MS could probably take out the V2 with vulcans) BUT the Wings of Light are actually good. They have huge range and work both offensively and defensively, being able to be spread really fast. That's the gimmick that's actually impressive in the show. Everything else falls flat and no better than what you could see as far back as the ZZ era.
Mogged by G-Saviour. Also core block mobile suits are gay toy shit. At least in the original gundam it was forced in by execs.
>>24038778>No, it didn't.Yes it did. Tomino said so. And older databooks straight up said it had a prototype minovsky drive. Like such
>>24038778And newer sources still corroborate the claim.
>>24039009That also mentions the armour has psycoframe in it, which is interesting.
>>24039047Pretty sure the F91 prequel also mentions it
seems like it's undecided
V2 kind of got shafted because aside from how op m drive is, and it's aramament, it doesn't have anything like the biocomputer or biosensor. why do you think that is?
>>24039070its* fuck
>>24039070Considering how Tomino didn't even really bring up those in the F91 movie, he clearly had no personal interest anymore.
>>24038778>none of the weapons on the V2 are particularly impressive or special.That right there really is the best argument to have against the V2 and I think in Video games its on the best display wherein it gets placed regularly in the same tier as Strike Freedom,00 or Turn A where in it basically lacks a cheap shot outside of utilizing its stats which in them are normalized.
>>24039086What? The biocomputer's wiring is a major subplot in the film. And the psycommu system is too, it's how Seabook finds Cecily at the end.
>>24039090Worth noting that this is the S Gundam variation that replaces the legs with big fuckoff rocket boosters. It's still hilariously overstatted for the era, but ti can only fly in a straight line and IIRC the pilot pissed himself from the G forces and everyone calls him piss baby for a while
>>24038283NTA but yeah. Banagher's psycofield ran out of control after diffusing the Gryps 2 laser, but Riddhe managed to stop him from ascending by telling Banagher he'll take Audrey for himself if Banagher leaves. The Unicorn undid its crystallization and the Federation had it blacksited, as two mobile suits blocking an entire colony laser made them akin to gods, and that's way too dangerous a technology to leave lying around.
>>24039070NT in general became super rare by the Victory era, making and space on the Victory series was a premium l, so putting that tech there would have been a waste of time. Had they prepped it properly, they might have added something to the V2 since they knew Usso would be the pilot, but they didn't.Meanwhile, the only NT machine Zanscare deployed was the Gengaozo, which felt more like a tested for future NT machines and not something that should ever be fielded.
>>24039279>Meanwhile, the only NT machine Zanscare deployed was the GengaozoForgetting something?
>>24039279The Gengaozo wasn't even their most dangerous NT machine the Zanneck using a fucking Psycommu system to divine the location of targets so it can snipe you from wherever the fuck it wants outside of the battlefield is peak bullshit, genuinely only counter able by the target being a Newtype who can detect the bad vibes coming for the enemy about to fire from outside of sensor range.
>>24039283I know it's science fiction but how do you even build shit like this?
>>24039330I assume smaller scale tests, since Newtypes being able to fuck with the minds of others has been a known thing since the Gryps conflict, so tests on a smaller scale probably resulting in people being sent into the state the Angel Halo sends people than bigger tests sending larger numbers of people into that to form a projected graph of effectiveness, then building a device big enough to hit fuck up the entire earth in one blast area of the graph's projections.
>>24039330Its not science fiction its just magic.
>>24038219>even if just compared to the F91 and the F91 just has after imagesWith mass!
>>24039540So science fiction then
>>24039239>>24038283Yeah, you can briefly see a shot of the Unicorn in Narrative and it's all tied by tapes, but still intact.
>>24039330Relatively easily, since it's all 0g construction. Just mine some asteroids to build it and it's practically free. Becomes even easier when you consider that MS-scale humanoid construction machines exist. Compared to a colony this is a hobby project. Unless it's much larger than I remember, it was definitely smaller than a colony right?
>>24038219That's because its the suit with the most powerful minovsky drive ever conceived. I highly doubt the record breaker can use it's wings of light to obliterate entire armies.
>>24039727IIRC it was 120 km across. That's as many as four colonies.
>>24039837And that's terrible.
>>24039006I believe even the thrusters of V Gundam and Gun EZ uses a type of primitive Minovsky drive similar to the one mentioned for F91 to explain for their high efficiency in atmospheric flight.
>>24039914The Victory has a minovsky flight system, a miniaturized version of the minovsky craft which is what the Xi uses. The Gun-EZ just flights using rockets which is why it isn't as maneuverable.
>>24038219>it seems pretty underpoweredUh... no?>even if just compared to the F91UH. NO.Full newtype hax Unicorn types are the only things that really beat it out.
>>24038303The only Zanscare MS that really outperforms V2AB is the Zanspire which is only in the games.
>>24039991What you and others don't understand about OP's post is that he's talking about the contrast between their technical stats and their actual performance in their respective works.
>>24039283Good question
>>24039824pic related
>>24040066Max steel has planetary-scale megastructures? I thought he just fought a guy made out of snakes
>>24040156Maybe they were big snakes.
>>24040156I’d love to post all the scale images, but most are over 10M
>>24038219Besides what everybody else has mentioned, are there any official sources that say that the V2's engine has inertial dampening properties? The only source I have is the wiki, but if it's true then doesn't that make it literally the only UC MS with that capability? The whole problem with mobile suits is that they still have to carry a squishy human being inside that's subject to the laws of physics (particularly inertia), the V2 being able to mitigate that would give it an entirely new dimension that you would usually only see in magical settings like 00.
>>24040345Yeah that's pretty much the only reason the Phenex could go near light speed, because there was no human body inside to worry about.
>>24040156It's specifically the reboot.
>>24040006Unless the reader is innately aware of OP's intentions, most people aren't going to see the word>Underpowered And deduce we are talking about Usso's performance in the V2AB, and not... Well, the objective power of the mobile suit.
>>24040093I don't get how people can see this scene and not think the V2 is special.
>>24040410You can go near lightspeed if the acceleration is gradual. Given the Phenex accelerated pretty fast in that one scene. The main reason is that it runs off magic from literal heaven so it can thrust forever. The V2 doesn't have infinite thrust like what is theorized. Its reactor runs out at the end of the show. Otherwise it's theorized the MDU itself could accelerate to relativistic speeds.>>24040345Official, as in Sunrise? I don't think so. It's mainly from databooks, like Master Archive: Mobile Suit Gundam Victory, and maybe the old 1/100 gunpla manuals. And it's more like a cushion iirc, not mass or gravity manipulation like GN particles or Ahab Particles. It's just an advanced form of the mechanical inertia/G-force dampers normally in MS.
>>24040463You don't consider the old kit manuals to be official?
>>24040419He literally said "even if just compared to the F91 and the F91 just has after images". He's literally saying the V2AB seemed weak for what it is, despite having way more features than the F91.
>>24040093It has some guns, and two really big beam sabersI can see why that seems pretty underwhelming in comparison to other gundams.
>>24040463>The main reason is that it runs off magic from literal heaven so it can thrust foreverit also goes from 0 to c in like 10 seconds without crumpling like paper, which means it's functionally indestructible and could probably tank a colony drop on its face without scratching the paint
>>24040422Because we have Gundams like the Aerial that can navigate a drone to that shits cockpit area and fire. We also have the Turn A able to just annihilate it with Nanomachines.Does it look pretty and imposing sure. But it is not as efficient or practical as many of the other weapons in Gundam and quite a few of them can easily make manuevers to scrap V2 with their armorments.
>>24040809Turn A is built like 1000s of years after V2 in the same universe no shit it shits on itAerial is gay who cares
>>24040809V2 can dodge and block anything aerial throws at it.
V2 can travel to Jupiter in about a month. No other UC Gundam can do that. Turn A is on the Correct century calendar.
>>24040852Mogged by G-Saviour. Go Dilate
>>24040809>armorments.
>>24038283>>24039239>>24039547We only see Unit 1, but it's safe to assume that Banshee was requisitioned and mothballed as well.
>>24039141>>24039090There's only so much acceleration a human pilot can take before GLOC and, later, death.
>>24040852You mean a weak, core fighter alone.
>>24040871Well, linear cockpits and specialized G-suits help.
>>24038219V series is mostly just basic MS with good performance and plenty of modularity. It's basically the same system as the Impulse and we do see Usso make very good use of it. The trade off is the frame seems weaker due to the transformation scheme (and we do see this in the show). So while it can match most Zanscare suits, the LM in general is behind on manpower and tech compared to Zanscare. The V2 fixed some of those problems with a stronger frame, but still kept the transformation system, and the wol is revolutionary tech, but that's all they could afford, they barely had the luxury to innovate.
>>24040871It's a great deal more complicated that. Also really difficult to ethically test.
>>24040898>really difficult to ethically test.That's what he have spacenoids for
>>24040851>V2 can dodge and block anything aerial throws at it.You mean Uso Erwin....
>>24040917>V2 can dodge and block anything Uso Erwin throws at it.I guess???
>>24040890>The V2 fixed some of those problems with a stronger frame, but still kept the transformation system, and the wol is revolutionary tech, but that's all they could afford, they barely had the luxury to innovate.Meanwhile the Phantom is a much more advance Moblie suit, held back by complications that arrived when reverse engineering the F99s that they wrecked back at Steel 7 (namely, they overheated the suit when the Minovsky drive is turned on). Some nerd Mcguyvered it to work and the CrossboneVanguard made someimprovements on it. It even been mass produced 15 years later in Dust.>>24040922Uso Erwin can beat Suletta Mercury when they're both in Gun-EZ cause he's a newtype and she's a scub that relied on AI to get by.
>>24040923Yeah, but Phantom's situation was completely different. It was unfeasable to MP at the time, and all they added to it was just a stop gap to make it work, which would make it prohibited expensive at the time. By Dust, they essentially had a Federation think tank dedicated all their r&d into making the new models, without having a faction looming over then that prevented mass production.At least Victory, they always did intended to make more Victory and V2's, they just didn't have the time to put the V2 into mass production by the end of the war.I only assume they managed to get all the extra Victory Hexas near the end since the Federation finally declared open war and dedicated their factories to make the Gun-Ez, Victory and Gunblaster.
>>24040923>Uso Erwin can beat Suletta Mercury when they're both in Gun-EZ cause he's a newtype and she's a scub that relied on AI to get by.Anon did you read what I wrote
>>24040978what are we keeping score now or something
>>24040923>Noel WraithThat's a weird-looking phantom. I can see that enlongated chest piece becoming a sort of nose cone in flight mode I guess? Why does it have a propellant tank? I thought WoL didn't need propellant
>>24041072for flight mode.
>>24041098Doesn't flight mode also use WoL? I guess the reactor still needs Helium-3 to work, maybe that's what's in the tank. Or maybe having a big phallic nosecone adds intimidation points
>>24041072>Why does it have a propellant tank?Cooling system, I think.
>>24040993Yeah, and I'm winningI'm the chad Uso and you're the stinky goblin Suletta
>>24040937Even then, considering the state of MS development and production by the time of Dust, the Cyclops were more limited in term of Mass Production compared to the League Militare.
>>24039090one thing that chart leaves out is weight, G-Savior and EX-S are extremely heavy compared to the others.
>>24041606True. G-Saviour is a super heavyweight 140 tons while V2 is at a featherweight 16 tons
>>24041606your manlet mobile suits are trash. Stop coping
>>24041606>5 meters shorter than nu gundam>more than twice the weightThe fuck is that thing made ofNo wonder they dont need to be small anymore, nothing can go through it
>>24041617Then what's a bantamweight
>>24041625Jr mobile
>>24041630Ok then what about a middleweight buster
>>24041617When all these giant 16m+ tall machines are lighter than a modern tank a fraction of their size, you realize comparing any specs between plastic toy robots from a children's cartoon franchise is just a stupid endeavor. I bet the people who made up these specs for flavor think you're all retarded for looking too deeply into something they only meant to be taken at face value, but they'll happily take your money, buy the Gunpla and lorebooks you nerds.
>>24042146>heh heh I'm so smart, all these stupid nerds think this stuff is actually real
>>24041621>The fuck is that thing made ofPropellent
>>24041621Not even joking by the way. The empty weight of the saviour space mode, without weapons (just a beam rifle and sabers and a beam shield) or propellent. is a measly 32 tons. The G-Saviour space mode is carrying 110 tons of fuel.
>>24042154I guess that's what she's pulling in the saddlebags.
>>24042146>When all these giant 16m+ tall machines are lighter than a modern tank a fraction of their sizeThe weights likely used jets as reference rather than tanks.
>>24040572It doesn't though.
>>24041566
>>24040865>Make sure the psychoframe can't be activated>Mechanic just duct tapes it closed>Good enough, time for a smoke break.
>>24042632Good enough for humanity's first great doomsday machine, good enough for it's current one.
>>24042660Thats a better argument that picrel is fake than it is the other being realistic.
>>24042660I mean they aren't trying to keep the bomb from exploding with the duct tape I'm pretty sure. It's more like a Newtype could hop in the cockpit and just fire it up. Or Banagher being semi nearby and yelling to it like he is cosplaying Domon.
>>24040093How long is each wing here?
>>24042670You have a much higher opinion of the safety regulations in early nuclear work than is borne out by the evidence.>>24042676>I mean they aren't trying to keep the bomb from exploding with the duct tape I'm pretty sure.Yeah, you use a screwdriver for that.
>>24042683Again. That is better evidence that the danger is much less than purported. Like several recent events.
>>24042578Yeah, that's a picture of us, me triumphant with my best friend and co-pilot (even though he's better at piloting) and you seething in you're impotent rageI'm gonna treat myself to a second juice box because I'm such a winner
>>24042687If you walk out into a busy street, you're probably not going to get run over. That doesn't mean the danger doesn't exist just because you didn't interact with it that time or understand what it actually was or the scales it operates on. Taping the Unicorn shut doesn't do anything because it's not doing anything anyway without Banagher in there.
>>24042632>they didn't just use Tamiya cement to seal the gaps shut
>>24040898>Also really difficult to ethically test.Is it really though? You have prisons full of death row inmates, just snag a few of those. They are gonna die anyway, I don't understand why we don't use them for something actually useful. Or you know, just offer lots of money to any retard willing to sign their life away(mail it to their family after they are liquified).
>>24044337that's the entire problem, moralfags make up a large percentage of the population and will loudly complain that it's unethical even with consent.look at all the moralfags complaining about abortion and medically-assisted suicide and medical marijuana for example, they don't give a shit that you choose that for yourself and can record yourself giving verbal, written, visual approval and consent and expressed desire, they will get in your face and complain "but what about how I feel about you doing that"
>>24044306It's not made of the right kind of plastic, super glue works better but they were out that day.
>>24038219It's pretty good.
V2 is like a modern electric car like the teslas.Unicorn is a racing car from 30 years ago like a special competition prepared mclaren f1.
>>24046395Awful comparison. V2 is a hypersonic black project fighter jet. Unicorn is a UFO
>>24038257>severely damagedDidn't it just lose a leg and a hand?
>>24038219Semi off topic, but would it be possible if Chinese third party to do their own V2 Assault Buster kit? Coz having built the ver KA, I am disappointed at how limited the articulations are. But sadly Victory isn't popular.Maybe if somehow Bandai decides to make RG Victory
>>24038257>>24046736F91 lost its VSBRs and left wrist and right leg at the knee. Technically some of the others aren't destroyed either. Someone already mentioned that Unicorn reverted itself to normal.>Zeta was abandoned inside Axis by Roux after its head and left knee were destroyed. It was likely recovered by the Feds, and depending on the story even gets restored and rebuilt a few decades later.>Alex lost its head, left arm, and right gatling gun. Again recovered by the Feds. Twilight Axis story says it was reused or recycled into the Tristan Gundam.>GP03 was barely damaged, although the mobile armor part was ruined by the solar mirror weapon. Kou and Albion returned to the Feds so it's likely in the hands of the Feds.>Nu's not really confirmed destroyed since they never found it or any wreckage. Amuro and the Nu are literally missing and unaccounted for. Gundam Pulitzer has them searching for the Nu Gundam's wreckage if it even exists.>Xi is hard to confirm since as far as I know, it get captured by the Feds in the novel and the movies seem to be leaning that way, so unless it's said somewhere that it was dismantled after being captured, I don't think it's destroyed.
>>24046788>ZZ was serverly damaged, but repaired through kitbashing to the point that it's barely recognizable.
>>24038348One of the times Fuala was sniping at Uso he did a fucking flip and swiped back at her from who knows how far with just the wings, shit is ridiculousAnd the wings blocked the shot from hitting everyone who was flying behind him too
>>24047222The only person capable of matching Uso Erwin in skills is Kira Jesus Yamato.
>>24047032Eh, technically it was repaired into this first and then after however many decades it ended up as the Gump
>>24047032I recognize 0% of this>>24047266>propellant tanks on its kneesWasn't that from either IBO or 00In either case it always comes across as such a worrying idea to me>inb4 "just don't get hit"but what if you gotta knee someone
>>24047283IBO had drill knees, but I can't recall any propellant tank knees. Pretty much 90% of MS in existence have rocket legs though, and it wouldn't surprise me if thighs and calves are the main propellant storage tanks.If it's any consolation, the ENTIRE MS is propellant tanks so getting hit anywhere is equally bad.Also pretty sure most MS don't use flammable propellant, it's just like, water.
>>2404728300's space tieren had the entire lower leg as a tank, that's probably what you are thinking of.
>>24047315Ok drill knees are cool, surprised we got those>it's all propellant tanksFear>but it's waterBut water is free, what the fuck? That they're not explosive is a bit reassuring thoughI absolutely do get the>beams are basically lethal no matter what, so we're not giving you armor, just don't get hit, stupidtendency for the design philosophy of some later bots (even though they still have handy shields and some degree of beam-resistance yeah), just it scares me at.first-glance every time>>24047346Yeah that thing, that bozo
>>24047032>>24047266We have this middle version too
>>24047351>But water is free, what the fuck?That's the point. It's just mass you can shit out (likely in the form of steam) so that Sir Isaac Newton can push your MS through space>late UC botsWorth mentioning that miniature MS completely abandon the point of physical armor to the point that physical bullets become viable again. The F91 and some of the Crossbones have various machine cannon mounts on their bodies for this purpose.
