will cut the wire

https://proton.me/blog/keep-age-verification-from-killing-anonymity-online

I've always treated proton as "fake privacy solution", but now when their CEO thinks that age verification is not a problem per-se, I feel like I should go for some other email provider
any suggestions for things that normiemail (gmail, outlook, etc) accept?

>>43205936
I'd say it's all email, the idea is to use it to hide from Google / amazon and so on collecting your email data not actual privacy. For that proton is okay. Tutanota also exists and works just fine.
Just remember: no one is going to court over your 5 bucks.
You should also be using email alias (simple login / anonaddy) since apparently no one can do security correctly so at least if your email gets breached it's easy to swap an alias out.

>>43205946
>simple login
isn't it's a proton project? kek

>>43205936
Just use an alternative email from your ISP, don't bother with"privacy oriented" email providers. If you want email privacy you should use PGP.

>>43205953
Kinda? Idk I know rh company is french but they use proton's data centers now. But you're right in the argument that they don't give you privacy.
My point with aliases is to make emails leaks (which will happen) easier to manage.
Like >>43205955 says if you want privacy with emails use PGP. And ultimately don't use emails at all. Email has never been and will never be private.

>>43205946
>For that proton is okay
it's faux-privacy policy prevents (You) frop using IMAP/POP3, lmao
>You should also be using email alias
I do it the hard way my regging a new email for every service I use
>>43205955
>Just use an alternative email from your ISP
>trusting ISP
>ever
shiggy
>If you want email privacy you should use PGP.
I know, I just want a service that doesn't nuke my account for making problematic remarks or similar bullshit

>>43205995
>I just want a service that doesn't nuke my account for making problematic remarks or similar bullshit
sadly this is quasi impossible, emails are not private at all. The only privacy emails can provide is whoever has them while at rest. That's it. And even with that if you send emails to a gmail or icloud address congrats your original email now is on google's or apple's servers too.
The only thing I see for you would be hosting your own email, but even that doesn't help unless you only send emails to fellow weirdoes that also host their own emails.
All in all, emails is not for debating best waifu.

>>43205927
I've used Windows for years without using Windows Update and Defender and I'm still keeping it that way.

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>>43205927
we are so back

>>43206247
>captcha
lmao

>>43206283
>paypig
LMFAO

>>43206374
>Passes cost $30 for 1 year or $60 for 3 years, which is about $1.67 per month—or less than a single 20oz bottle of soda.
how poor r u?

>>43206444
At least $30 richer than you, fag lmao

>>43206605
>$30
how fucking poor are you to think that I'd get the cheaper (and worse!) option?

>>43206918
>oink oink
Sorry, I don't speak paypig.

>>43206283
>>43206444
yea i only know like 2 people who use passes and it's out of absolute necessity

Anyone else use GrapheneOS?

>>43207120
>it's out of absolute necessity
skill issue with captchas?
>>43208081
they only support Pixels, so I'm on Lineage
hope their collab with Motorola results in something good

>>43208103
>skill issue with captchas?
nope, unreasonable bans
>GOS's collab with Motorola
it's very entreating, now i either choose to get my hopes up for a good camera or come back down to reality
i think i'd be getting it either way, unless the latest pixel running the latest GOS is genuinely better, kek

>>43208149
>unreasonable bans
fucking permabans or what?

>>43208168
No shit, yeah.

>>43208081
Yup, it just works.

>>43208523
>paying to post on a site that blocks you for a ban meant for someone else
I can hardly imagine anything more cuckish.

>>43208525
I've been daily driving it since December, just a few quirks I get bothered by but that's cause I'm running another home launcher on it instead of stock.
And my issue is, whenever I unlock the phone or swipe out of the app, or turn the phone on, it stays on my wallpaper for a few seconds before finally showing all of my apps
Again, probably the launcher I'm using.
Is everything stock for you? How many profiles?

>>43209251
Oh yeah that's a default launcher thing. I'm with launcher. Switching profiles isn't an issue either. I got a couple, mainly a main one and one for Google play services. Really no complaints.

>>43209269
*Lawnchair.

>>43209251
>>43209269
I set up a secondary profile for Play services, but honestly the best way to use it is to leave the main profile empty and then set up both a secondary profile for your normal usage and another one for Play services. This is because the main profile always has to be unlocked after boot since it hosts some key material for system files or whatever. Keeping your main activity on a secondary profile too lets you end the session and instantly put all your user data back to rest (encrypted) without needing to reboot your phone.

Someone left an empty server rack next to the trash containers. Now it's mine.

>>43210365
This, yeah.
And if you're lazy you can use shelter to get a work profile. If I remember correctly this de facto works like a secondary profile since graphene re-made work apps shutdown and not hibernate when it's locked.
Also comes with an easy way to share files and whatnot

>>43208103
>hope their collab with Motorola results in something good
They're only planning to release it on their 800+ bucks models, so not really.

>>43210501
Phones depreciate immensely fast and doesn't graphene demand 7 years of updates now? You'll be able to buy last year's model for like 300-400 bucks and get a minimum of 6 years of updates which, while not forever, is still plenty of time compared to the average lifecycle of modern phones.

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Switched to Debian with XFCE because I'm disheartened with the current state of things

>>43210535
But Debian is undergoing enshittification as well.

>>43210542
you're not wrong

>>43210550
I was on Debian XFCE myself for about 8 months, but I decided to go back to Windows 10 LTSC and just wait
I missed Paint.NET and ShareX.

>>43210365
Use case for profiles? Aren't google services already sandboxed? Also I assume this refers to "user profiles".
t. graphene user

>>43210569
Basically even if the google play services are sandboxed it doesn't mean that they don't send data to Google every time they can. So the idea is to have something that doesn't phone home at all. Same applies to other spooky apps.

>>43210569
Google services are sandboxed in the sense of running as a normal app. It can still run in the background as an app - not nearly as well as a system service, but it still can. If you give it location permissions (e.g. because you use google maps sometimes) it can then track your location, etc.
Apps in inactive profiles get hard shut down; when you switch away from a secondary profile it's basically logging out that user, completely killing all his apps, and closing his encrypted user data so the keys are no longer in memory, etc. etc.

Also, profiles are generally isolated and get different hardware IDs, user IDs etc., so to a certain degree Graphene claims they appear to be completely different devices to apps. I don't know how 100% thorough this is, but since Android apps are pretty locked down by design, it actually sounds plausible to me. Thus you can have separate profiles with separate Google Play services and have them mostly unlinked, e.g. if you use separate google profiles on each you can even separate some of your activity/apps entirely from google's point of view, and the only links they'd have would be circumstantial (e.g. from location data they'd guess that the "two devices" are probably used in the same home, but they wouldn't have an easy way to determine that it's literally the same phone and not e.g. two different family members or whatever).

>>43210562
Dang, I can't exactly relate to that since I haven't used windows on my desktop in forever. What are you waiting for exactly? Just better support for making Windows stuff work? I've never used Paint.NET either, is it really that good?

>>43210530
>300-400 bucks
My last phone was 150 lol

I'm not spending hundreds on a device that I hate and only use out of absolute necessity.

>>43210576
Thanks, sounds cool, maybe I'll give it a try. I don't have any way of checking if this extra isolation really works (outside just trusting it works), but I guess it can't hurt.
The main thing I'd be interested in is the play store. I try to minimize dependency on google stuff as much as possible to begin with, so I only really have play store, youtube and gmail installed, of which only store really needs to be an app. If I put it in a separate profile, will it be able to update apps that I use on another profile?

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>>43210589
>What are you waiting for exactly?
For how long will Win 10 be supported. I estimate around 2028-2029, 2030+ is very very optimistic. XP lasted for about 2 years after EoL, 7 after 3-4 years.
>Just better support for making Windows stuff work?
As far as games go, I am pretty content. Sometimes Linux even performs better than Windows when it comes to older games. I also like that I can have a virtual desktop, essentially giving me windowed mode where it wasn't a thing.
Paint.NET is really convenient for me. Something as simple as scaling turns out to be black magic on Linux. GIMP does it the best, but it's a hassle to click through something twice or thirce in order to view the option. Pinta has scaling, but it's not precise for me as it's only possible to scale pictures by holding shift, there are no corners or edges you can grab. KolourPaint would be perfect if it didn't randomly freeze or crash, I don't know what is the issue with this one.
ShareX is another thing I'm way too used to. Screenshots on Linux are fine, but ShareX has screen capture under Shift + Print Screen which allows me for quick screen capture. Linux doesn't have anything like this unless I manually enter the software like OBS or SimpleScreenRecorder and select the dimensions (also on Wayland there's nothing to record with apart from OBS which is absurd). Spectacle from KDE is the closest thing to ShareX, but it does not record audio, nor there are any plans to implement audio recording, and it immediately removes screenshots from your clipboard once the notification goes out. You have to be running this program all the time in order to keep the screenshot in your clipboard, or manually select it from the disk.
Archivers are Linux's really important problem that doesn't seem to get addressed anywhere. Basically all software is missing something as simple as drag n drop from the archive into the catalog. Ark on KDE has it, but it has issues with some archives, displaying them as corrupted even though xarchiver or PeaZip are able to run it. If I recall correctly the archiver on Linux Mint has drag n drop but it can't do all files at once, it requires you to
Yet another thing I do is backups. On Windows I use Macrium Reflect which gives me a GUI for copying partitions from disk to disk. It's also good that it has partition resizing, so you can copy contents from 1TB drive to 500GB one if your 1TB drive is 400GB full for example. To my knowledge there is no GUI for this on Linux, besides an utility called CloneZilla, but that doesn't appear to support big disk -> small disk copies, as I wasn't able to copy my 512GB SSD onto a 500GB one, so another absurd.
Credits due where its due. Bash is a great tool and I wish I had it on Windows instead of CMD and PowerShell. SSH is also way better than SMB.But that's it for the praises from me.

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>>43210683
DE's are a complete mess, GNOME devs insisting on killing off anything GTK based that isn't GNOME. Not sure what the future holds for XFCE once GTK3 goes out of support. Cinnamon has bugs like not remembering keyboard and mouse speed settings. Multi monitor setups and power management is also weird. I remember that when I used my laptop in a dock, I had switched off the built in display and set the external monitor as the primary display. When undocked, the laptop display was blank. What I had to do first was to change the primary display back to the laptop or else it wouldn't display anything even though the external screen was unplugged.
Good philosophy, but horrible execution in the end. Linux has a lot of utilities that work great in CLI, but that's still about it. The past decade seems to have focused way too much on making games playable, while neglecting other functions. I can get stuff done more conveniently even on Windows XP than on any modern Linux distro, as I always feel like I'm forced to do compromises and do things different from what I used to do, just because no one bothered to implement something that's been on Windows 20 years ago.

>copy files on the usb drive
>after it's done click unmount
>unmounted
>unplug
>plug in
>drive empty

>>43210687
Enter the terminal and type sync before unmounting your drives.

>>43210687
linux ?

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>>43210683
Just wait for the Windows 11 K2 update and we will be able to move on AMIRITE

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>>43210725
Maybe it will be genuinely good. If not, whatever, I still get more shit done on unsupported Wangblows than Linux.

>>43210683
I’ve used sharex too and found it very convenient, but I’ve ended up finding a replacement that allows for the quick select screen and screenshot functionality, I’m not 100% sure if you can set up auto uploads or have it automatically cache images into folders by month but it does have image editing tools after you’ve taken the screenshot too. It’s called KSnip and can be downloaded quickly from the package manager.
Only huge problem I’ve run into is weird font scaling with proton, I can’t get SFM to fix its font scaling even with dpi or resolution changes and installing missing fonts in protontricks, and adobe animate doesn’t work nicely with wine (so I run it with windows 10 in virtualbox but I really regret not getting the LSTC ISO)
That and some games don’t play well with proton, I’ve gotten pretty bad lag spikes and latency with a indie WWI game so I haven’t played it much.

>>43210735
>font scaling
Oh yeah, I have issues with fonts in general regardless of distro. For some reason the smoothing is all wrong on some websites and I can see artifacts around the font's edge.

>>43210683
>Paint.net
I agree there, it's insane that there's no quick and easy paint-like replacement on Linux. Krita and Gimp are all well and good but sometimes I don't want to boot up bootleg photoshop just for cropping or resizing an image quickly or scribbling a red circle and arrow pointing towards it with a pencil tool.

>ShareX
It's a very convenient all-in-one solution on windows but I'm pretty sure you should be able to get the same thing on linux with just a bit of tweaking and combining things manually. For screenshotting there's tons of tools, I use maim; OBS has global shortcuts too, though I don't remember off the top of my head if it lets you dynamically drag a selection to set the recording dimensions.
Wayland sucks that much is true.

>archivers
>backups
Really the main issue on linux is that GUIs are always a secondary feature. Archiving tools are perfectly comprehensive and support every reasonable and unreasonable archival format; backups have tons of options/solutions, you can easily have automated backups, you can set up btrfs snapshotting for snapshot backups of a live in-use system, you can set up automatic booting from backups, you can backup to remote systems over ssh or web or any protocol that you please, you can have distributed backups, incremental backup policies, etc. etc.
But all of that requires fucking about with config files to set the policy you want and usually invoking them on the command line, GUIs are few and far between and I'm not surprised to hear you are missing features when trying a GUI-only approach.

>DEs
Basically the same issue as GUIs, yeah. I have my setup and it works for me but it is absolutely true that the vast majority of the time, either of windows or macos will probably be more stable, more polished and more intuitive for a normal user than a linux DE.

> I always feel like I'm forced to [...] do things different from what I used to do,
Here's where I disagree though, using a different OS will always involve doing some things differently. Switching to macOS, or from mac to Windows, would be no different, and some things would be different and some workflows would have to change.
Having to compromise on functionality is unfortunate, but having to learn a different way to do things is normal when switching your entire OS.

>The past decade seems to have focused way too much on making games playable, while neglecting other functions.
You are very likely correct. I do hope the future improves here. There's a push towards immutable distros and generally better update management, which should solve a lot of "I don't know computers and my linux randomly broke, help!" issues. DEs are still fucking shit, unfortunately, but now that games are working well and once updating and system stability are widely working well, one can hope that maybe the GUI experience will be properly fixed next. At least GNOME might get dethroned and KDE might actually get improved thanks to Valve and copycats.

>>43210365
>>43210569
this. I have 3 profiles, the default one, secondary (google play services), and a finance profile
the main profile has FOSS apps and no GP services, just stuff from Accresent, FDroid and Obtanium, mostly for when I don't need any GP services. @nd profile is the one I live in, all my apps, social media, games, slop, everything , "opsec" apps, etc. Third profile is where my banking/sending money apps are, just to feel safe. Though about moving my work stuff on there too but It's not as important to me
>>43210424
I thought the implementation of profiles was a result of the usage of Shelter? I can see the appeal though, one click away into accessing your apps, but there's still a higher risk of whatever's in there being accessed compared to say a dedicated profile.
There's also the stock feature of private apps, you can private apps in a separate row that will appear in your app drawer and you have to unlock it by tying in your passcode or fingerprint, I used to do this with my work apps but the notifications wouldn't work unless I kept it open, and at that point, well, there is no point in keeping them there

EVERYONE DITCH YOU DESKTOP ENVIRONMENT AND SUCK LESS!

>>43210610
>If I put it in a separate profile, will it be able to update apps that I use on another profile?
Unfortunately not. The main/owner profile is special in that it can install its apps "into" any other profile, but other profiles can't install or update apps in any other profile (neither the owner nor other secondary profiles).
So any profile where you need an app from the play store, you have to install google play. Or, you can use aurora store to download apps without the play store app and without a google account (if the app is just available on the play store, but doesn't need play services running to function).

>>43210825
>I live in the google play profile
Odd, my primary profile is FOSS only and I only open the google play profile when specifically needing some app from the play store, e.g. uber for a trip or something

How do I degoogle reliance on big tech? Any modern frontends to get a better experience than big tech?

>>43210837
What are you trying to do
Big tech loves to sell you everything integrated so you get invested in the "ecosystem" and don't want to leave. Degoogling usually involves taking every piece that you use and finding an alternative for it individually

>>43210849
Maybe alternative to Spotify, alternative to Reddit besides Redlib and Lemmy, social media alternatives and ways to de-enshittify stuff or find open replacements that are resistant to enshitiffication.

>>43210873
>alternative to spotify
depends on what you're looking for
foobar2k for windows and Deadbeef for linux
Sidify to rip your spotify albums with metadata and cover art off of Spotify (Spotify might send you a mean email but they do nothing)
If you want live music, look into internet radio stations, ones that aren't shit will have no advertisements, just about every radio station has a internet radio link nowadays, and there's some good /mlp/ ones that run 24/7.
>alternative to retardit
don't you faggots already have the link that leads to the old non-retarded version of the site? Just use it in the web browser.
>social media alternatives
quit them all, fuck social media, if you need to stay in touch with friends, then use matrix, teamspeak, telegram, PGP encrypted email, etc.
>ways to de-enshittify stuff
swap to another service, stop trying to find bypasses for already shit platforms just to get them to run, in the grand scheme of things it gives those companies fuel to kvetch about things like ((age verification)) [actually identity verification] being bypassed.
>resistant to enshittification
anything that can be easily forked, edited, and is open source, if they roll out garbage, you can physically roll-back to a previous version, or you can begin removing the new commit changes that caused the enshittification.

>>43210873
>alternative to spotify
Almost always just downloading songs yourself. There's no alternative to "massive global repository of songs and an algorithm that automatically queues recommendations for you"; but if you know what you want to listen to you can just download it and play it locally.
You can also host your own music servers and listen to your music across multiple devices, if you want to (though to start with just downloading like 50GB of music onto your phone, depending on how much storage you have, is probably plenty for most people as a first step to de-spotify).

>alternatives to reddit
Well, social media exists where the users post their shit, so the stuff people have posted on reddit will only ever be on reddit. You can find different frontends to access it to avoid using the official website (I don't remember them off the top of my head).
Same for other social media. The usual twitter alternative is mastodon but basically you kinda have to use whatever your friends/connections use.

>and ways to de-enshittify stuff or find open replacements that are resistant to enshitiffication
Everything can be enshittified, especially when it comes to websites/social media/"communities". Usually the benefit of open stuff is that there can be forks to avoid the enshittification, or you can migrate to another instance, or whatever. But if the average people making up some "community" enshittify it then being open or closed won't matter.

Most of the value of degoogling comes from not using apps or services from bit tech; for websites, not much you can do other than obviously avoid installing any apps for something your browser can do

>>43210712
HAHAHAHAHA

>just use the console before removing a fucking usb stick

THIS IS SO MUCH WHAT LINUX IS LIKE LMFAO

>>43210833
yea, i use social media a lot to text normie friends, and to be blunt, i am a bit of a doom scroller. to be fair it gives me millions of ideas
maybe that's just zoomer cope, i used to try and use FOSS apps on this profile too but I got really into nostalgia and I replaced the stock apps in this profile with skeumorphic ones that are definitely not FOSS kek
that is the beauty of graphene
i can be retarded in bliss

>>43210902
>i use social media a lot to text normie friends,
Yeah not much you can do there unless you manage to convince your friends to also not be retarded and get off the botnet data harvester media
>to be fair it gives me millions of ideas
I mean, do you act on any of them? Nothing to be "fair" about if you're just doomscrolling and not doing anything else with your life, ideas are infinite and free, it's the doing that's expensive

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>>43210813
Thank you for your answer, it's hard to see an actual comprehensive response. /g/ is doomed.

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>43210900
I know this is bait but I'll bite
Enjoy your default file search/indexing in file explorer taking hours to find files in a couple of directories, lord forbid 10+ minutes if in one folder unless you use third party tools because windows can't figure out their shit.
Both OS's have their upsides and downsides, but windows past 10's release just has gotten noticeably slower and worse overall, especially with shit like bitlocker that'll ransom you out of your data if you can't find your keys for it (ignoring microsoft's already retarded account log-in procedure that can just be bypassed if you use a non-outlook email)
Point is, both systems have their grievances, and having to copy paste a command into the terminal is less grievous then worrying that bitlocker will lock your computer, that microsoft will release a update that breaks a shit ton of software, or that you'll always have to give your microsoft account (lord forbid you have none) to access new(er) windows OS installations even if you paid for them, unless you want to spend hours in the registry fixing things.

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>>43210911
>unless you manage to convince your friends to also not be retarded
>gifrel
>do you act on any of them?
yea actually, mostly for music though, sometimes the stupidest video will have the best song for a sample, or a refresh of the homepage gives me new music to discover, on art side of things tho...
maybe i do need to get up from my ass on that hand, and actually putting the music out there too/art

>>43210882
>Deadbeef
Did they add any sort of functional library browser yet? I fear my distro will stop providing i386 runtime at some point which will break some of my foobar plugins that only have 32 bit builds kek

>>43210930
Could you tell me more about bitlocker? I don't use disk encryption. I'm 10 LTSC user.

>>43210930
Dude, we're talking about removing an USB stick here. A FUCKING USB STICK. And you bring up encryption. Removing an USB stick without losing data is something that should've worked without a hitch TWENTY years ago. Linux is just a joke.

And Windows isn't shit, the kernel is actually a million times better than the Linux kernel. It's just all the shitware that's stacked on top of it (especially Windows Store apps) and especially the fact you're the product and not the customer when you're using Windows that's the problem. If Windows actually had some legit competition and wasn't run by a shitty Big Tech company it would beat Linux in literally every facet of computing.

>>43210712
Unmount should sync the fs before unmounting, normally. Something's going very wrong if you unmount a drive and all the writes are missing.

>>43211040
Normally the "unmount" operation handles this, and on windows you have to right click -> eject in exactly the same way, just a different coat of paint.

You don't have to manually sync filesystems unless you're doing something very specific (like writing to raw block devices).

>>43211142
>and on windows you have to right click -> eject in exactly the same way
No, Windows actually turns on immediate flushing to disk when it's removable. Way better behavior than Linux's "oops you forgot to unmount! well you don't mind the lost data right?"

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>>43210685
>when I used my laptop in a dock, I had switched off the built in display and set the external monitor as the primary display. When undocked, the laptop display was blank. What I had to do first was to change the primary display back to the laptop or else it wouldn't display anything even though the external screen was unplugged.

>>43211025
NTA, but by and large bitlocker just works as a disk encryption tool (which may or may not have a backdoor).
The only issue with it is that 99.9% of it is obfuscated behind group policies and Microsoft's autistic account requirements (that can be bypassed / not used, else they wouldn't be selling anything to Enterprise customers).
But if you want you can absolutely use it the same way as LUKS with a tpm key + a password so your drive only decrypts on the machine it's from (tpm) ane the key can't be sniffed by probing the tpm's bus (password). You'd have to use your backup key to decrypt it somewhere else. So basically like LUKS + systemd cryptenroll.

>>43212339
I wanted to use FDE with TPM for my next Linux install and bear with using systemd but then I heard about the age verification bullshit and now I can't with good conscience use systemd ever again.

>>43212732
Then I guess clevis should work for tpm backed encryption but i don't think you'd be able to use a password with that. Last time I used clevis it was pretty rough compared to systemd's one command thing.
Maybe someone out there got an openrc or runit script for it or something.

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>>43212732
"Age verification" in systemd is the biggest fucking nothingburger virtue signalling campaign ever. I mean don't get me wrong I'm all for normies hating systemd now but it's just such a completely random thing to get hung up on now, purely because the concept is politically relevant and has been in the news cycles. Why not the absorption and EEE of projects like udev? Why not the massive bloat expansion past the init system, in unaudited raw C? Why not shit like systemd-networkd, and its amazing design decision to hardcode google DNS as a fallback server should the user have the gall to configure "no resolvers" in his config? Why not systemd-logind becoming a defacto dependency for seat management in most distros? Or why not the hard dependency coupling with GNOME, when an """"init system"""" and a DE have no business having a direct dependency? Why not shit like systemd-homed of having it try to worm its way into full administration of all your usage, after having taken over the low-level system management?

But no, an extra field present in a "JSON database" is apparently the reason normies are abandoning it now. A JSON database which had no reason to exist, but apparently the init system replacing everything including /etc/passwd is completely fine, as long as there's no "date of birth" field. Apparently fields like "real name" and "email address" and "location" are completely fine in an init system's user database, as long as there's no "date of birth" field.

Yes I'm mad, because apparently people have decided for years that sucking poettering and redhat cock is fine because it has "features" so it's a good idea to make it the default on nearly every distro and have it underpin the overwhelming majority of every system management aspect of linux systems everywhere. And now that it's the default in every major distro and is the defacto standard when using Linux in any kind of professional capacity, suddenly people have realised that it has overstepped and they don't like one feature systemd added. Fuck you, I hope distro devs and sysadmins everywhere choke on poettering's tiny german systemd-cockd and are locked out from using computers forever unless they biometrically verify themselves in a government database, while I'll be sitting here on an "obscure" distro with runit or whatever because obscure hobbyist distros and chud forks have been the only usable options for YEARS by now while all these fat fucking retards were gargling systemd, and now suddenly they're surprised and annoyed that CIA redhat-ware apparently does not have their best interests in mind.

Fuck.

>>43212912
>Why not
Because age verification is where I draw the line, simple.

>>43212912
>systemd-cockd
Made me chuckle. I agree with most of what you said, but you have to understand this was never a user issue, because all the things you mentioned have been established through corruption and treachery, not users saying "Oh wow this is so much better!" In fact, listening to users is the LAST thing these big guys have done, purposefully.

Green filly should be happy

>>43212923
There is no "age verification" in systemd any more than there is real name verification, retard. That's the point, all it did is add one more meaningless field to the giant pile of meaningless bloat.

Any actual age verification is going to happen in userspace and will be completely unaffected by systemd. If it didn't add that field to its userdb now, then whenever an actual verification program became mandatory, it'd be integrated into pacakge managers in the next best most convenient way.
If they actually build software that requires your ID and creates some verification, and also add a feature to package managers and shit like that which requires that verification, the problem of passing that info around will be the most trivial problem to solve. And for that matter the "date of birth" field with zero validation would not provide any help here either.

Did you even know that the userdb is a freeform JSON and almost all fields are optional? If and when age verification is needed, any extra fields to hold the cryptographic tokens issued to you by Israel will be added with almost zero effort. And until then, "date of birth" can be filled with whatever garbage data you want OR be left completely blank, like almost all other fields in the userdb, and provides zero "verification".

That's my point, there's no age verification in systemd, it's purely virtue signalling that "oh age verification laws bad therefore I am angry at systemd now". There is no technical issue to be angry over, this change is completely meaningless and even harmless as it provides zero value to any actual verification.

>>43212930
True but nevertheless users are still using debian, arch and derivatives as the most popular distros by far. There is nothing stopping people from using devuan, void, or whatever. Especially when shit like arch is not even company-sponsored but a project just built by some random guys.
And the outrage over this """"age verification"""" is also coming from users.

>>43212912
Honestly this. Systemd just is not good by no stretch of the imagination.
>Systems networkd
Ah yes, the worst way to do networking next to netplan or whatever the fuck that cloud init having, yaml configuring, dns forgetting, routing not doing, interface hardcoding, shit being piece of crap

>>43212954
>There is no "age verification" in systemd any more than there is real name verification
Yet.

>>43212987
Reposting this from the last thread for good measure: tboteproject.com/systemdfindings/ I encourage everyone who has not yet read this to read this report.

>>43212987
And when there will be, it will be completely unrelated to this utterly unverifiable, freeform and optional "date of birth" field.
This shit is not even a slippery slope because it is so completely orthogonal to what would be required for actual verification or anything invasive in general.

>>43212991
If there's any real data here surely they could have found a way to present it without a giant blog of painful to read chatgpt-speak pasted directly from the LLM output with no human editing

>>43212998
Oh, I see. You're one of those people. Enjoy your age verification OS by yourself then. Not responding any further to you.

Angry thread here.

>>43213138
I'm not really angry, just a little disheartened that everything seems to be going to shit. I miss computing in the 90s.

Why does Xitter require both WebGL AND canvas data to look at a fucking picture now? Fuck you Elon.

>>43213428
Probably browser fingerprinting.

>>43213530
Most likely. Well I don't care enough to unblock it.

>>43213428
why any social media that should show up images and text takes 30mb of code to run while a simple site like 4ch could just do it in a few kb of code.

>>43214482
The client side webstack has become a monster.