Previous Thread: >>43387081/mlp/ Gmares Server!Server status: https://www.battlemetrics.com/servers/gmod/24205952Server Video Archive: https://pony.tube/c/mlpgmodserverarchive/videosTo play on the server you need to install Garry's Mod.(For Linux users please check the "LINUX Guide")LINUX Guide: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=32743146141.Enable the 64 bit Chromium Beta (which improves performance and allows extra features such as the media player to work.)Steam > Library > Garry's Mod > Betas > Beta Participation > x86-64-Chromium + 64-bit binaries2.Subscribe to the addon collection.https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=28161590023.Download content packs: HL1:S, Episode 1/2, TF2 content and CS:S content+maps. OR DOWNLOAD THE GAMES THROUGH STEAM AND MOUNT THEM IN GMOD.DUE TO A RECENT GMOD UPDATE YOU DO NOT NEED THE CONTENT FOR EP 1 AND 2 AND CSS ANYMORE except for the MAPS and certain audio files.You STILL NEED CSS MAPS and the HL:Source content if you DO NOT have the games mounted. Sub to it below:Maps for CSS: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2895386362HL: Source Content: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=31769367724.Apply the CEF codec fix to allow support for Youtube and other media sources.https://github.com/solsticegamestudios/GModPatchTool/releasesTo join add 51.81.49.44:27015 to your Favorites in Multiplayer > Legacy Browser.Password: >filename.To see server specific commands, enter !commands in chat on the server.Turbonewfag guide: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2614222717PAC3/PPM2 collections and other user content: https://ponepaste.org/7931To start a gamemode/map change type rtv in chat.Current gamemodes are: Sandbox, Death Run, Dropzone, Extreme Football Throwdown, Fat Kid, Hide and Seek, Horde, HL1 Co-op, HL1 Infected, Lambda(HL2 COOP), LVS Tournament, Mapsweepers, Open Virus, Overwatch, Prop Hunt, Quake 3, SledBuild, The Stalker, Trash Compactor, TTT, and Zombie Survival.
sandbox is about the only game mode that everypony can agree on since most only like one or two and hate the restgetting mad that sandbox becomes quiet because there are no objectives is dumb
S&Box ponerver when?
>>43482688until they have easily customized pony player models I will not touch it
>>43482734SFM models should work with minimal adjustments, I think
>>43482688It isn’t like many people play S&box and there may not be modes like TTT and Mapsweepers.
>>43482688not fleshed out enough with niche mods yet
7 on snoofbox
music make you lose control
>10
>>43484653>"Hehe, I'm going to kill again">image, but instead of filly it's sonata
Maximum fucking dong
>>43484653>help!
>>434826881/2It's my plan to retire the server and move it to S&box when I believe it's time. I'd hand the gmod server to another anon who can manage it and work on documenting the gmod and s&box server on gitlab. I got s&box for free since I was an alpha tester and been following it since 2017 so I'm biased but from the state of launch and the various changes they made I was very disappointed, today they launched a native linux build which is a good start for me.there's so many issues with s&box I don't even know where to begin but at the same time I've seen many things I've enjoyed and extreme potential (again being very biased here ).I wished I had the programming and modelling skills to rig up a pony server rn but I don't and I'm not resorting to vibe coding to solve this, I have written down a bunch of notes and dreams I have for the server. I believe most of them are partially possible already but the documentation on the s&box website is sparse. Every update from s&box I've seen has actually been an improvement, there's a roadmap for future plans on the site. I hate it when garry and his team write these massive rants in some of their posts though, just terrible stuff. Ideally I'd name this version of the server Smares and have a smore themed pony, more talented people than me will probably create a pony creator before I even seriously start to begin.
>>434850152/2I'm still collecting my thoughts so I may write more after this post.obviously from the last post my feelings on S8box is very mixed so I'll blurt out my initial thoughts on s&box and the future I want to see with Smares.After 100+ hours from playing and exploring other games it does feel like playing gmod for the first time though with a more old roblox/blockland kind of randomness, some of these games are great (pic related) and the gmod gamemode remakes (TTT,Murder,Prophunt) are still fun. There's a ton of ai vibecoded roblox tier slop on here though.The main reason I haven't starting moving the server onto s&box yet is because the Sandbox game is so bare bones, there's no custom player models or a workshop with addon support. I believe they said they will implement proper addon support in the future but the fact they didn't release it when the game went public is so bizarre. Basically sandbox is an poorly optimized mess with only a smidge of potential right now, all the "gamemodes" (Murder,TTT,Prophunt) are standalone games unrelated to 'sandbox' itself so everything custom you add on the server (ala sandbox) won't be transferred to the next game which for example would make ponies in TTT impossible (as far as I know) unless you make a custom fork with pony models built into TTT. It's cool they made the 'Sandbox' game open-source, there's already forks that add new features but I'll wait until 'Sandbox' matches 1:1 with gmod sandbox (addon support, custom playermodels, gamemode support) until I try anything.Okay cool, let's say eventually facepunch or whoever (since it's open-sourced) matches S&box's sandbox game to Gmod's sandbox gamemode, happy days. What then? obviously we need ponied. Maybe we fork the sandbox game ourselves and it'd legit be called 'Smares' with pony flavor and features.I believe 'Sandbox'/Smares has the potential to be gmod but bigger and better, more optimized, cooler and improved features, flashier ponies and graphics!linked below is a basic list of things I would want to see in this new server:https://files.catbox.moe/o8p77rmaybe these things are already possible in gmod. ofc the original gmod server will still be here and it's possible that this new s&box server will never be made.
>>43485210>linked below is a basic list of things I would want to see in this new server:I was originally typing this on PonePaste but I ran out of space, I can throw out a few more ideas but honestly I would like to hear what you guys think about this dream of mine. Would it be worth it? I want to keep this GMOD server up forever, even though I think s&box has more potential GMOD is still it's entirely own game and in the end people will probably prefer GMOD over s&box anyway, though if this dream does come true someday I'd give this server to someone I can trust to handle it while I move to the s&box server.
>>43485015I was thinking more like Sandmarebox. Probably too long. S&mare, Ponybox (probably already taken), Marebox is already a term used in /opg/, so that's no-go. Or, actually, "/mlp/box" would be my number one pick.
>>43485240>"/mlp/box"If our server isn't the first to create a pony creator then sure, I'm not rushing to be the first by any means.Ideally I'd like this pony creator to be open to anyone who wants to fork or improve upon it, so calling it /mlp/box feels a bit limiting. Naturally the server will only be hosted for the anons here on /mlp/ but the pony creator will be public.If we're only talking about the server itself /mlp/box is perfect for me.
>>43485249Well you could just call your instance of S&box that you are posting on /mlp/ to be called that silly. The S&box project doesn't have to be called that I suppose.Also, have to think how "game modes" are going to work, and if they are going to work the same way. Though I suppose that's a more traditional way Gmod players think. For example, if the pony server wanted to do TTT, how would we switch it from Sandbox mode easily?In Gmod it's more straightforward. But TTT will also need a pony character mod in it as well. So I wonder how that's going to work out. Or if it'll just be stuck in sandbox mode FOREEEEVEEEERRR. Guess at least there should be one created for Sandbox first.
>>43485210God bless, anonI hope Garry fucking nukes\rethinks the Retardfund and make the game free - that would help to fix a lot of current problems
>>43485263>For example, if the pony server wanted to do TTT, how would we switch it from Sandbox mode easily?I'm just waiting for a proper gamemode system to be implemented or a way to hook the pony creator into any game assigned to the server if s&box or the game in question has the ability to do that. It's very frustrating at the moment, for now you'd need to port the models into the game itself.Look at Terry for example (the sausage men) I've grown to like them... a little, they're not great for every game but they fit well in TTT, Murder and Sandbox. The common argument for people against wanting to play as them is "WELL YOU DON'T HAVE TO BRO, THERE'S HUMAN MODELS ALREADY!" The thing is Terry is the default character that many games have, a lot of those games have the Terry model as the ONLY character you can play because creating new models over even switching to the humans ones (which look just as funky desu) is too hard I suppose. There's no simple way to switch these models out for new ones if you're playing on your own server yet.
>>43485210>https://files.catbox.moe/o8p77rWhat happened to the file extension?>>43485224Would it allow foalcon? If so, it'd be better than the gmod server by default.
>>43485568>What happened to the file extension?probably need to add .txt I wrote this on Mousepad (xfce) and didn't really check if I was saving it as .txt>>43485568>Would it allow foalcon?No.
possibly neat addon for the serverlooks like it'd be handy for those who don't want to use PAC or we're playing game modes like TTT where what gun someone's holding might matter.https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3793870399
>>43485588>This is based on a cute PAC I found that lets your pony hold their weapon in their mouth.Oh, it's based on our server PAC from ages ago? Nice. Hopefully he remembered to fix the seating, unlike both of PACs who forgot to account for that at first, for the mouth and magic hold alike, and even then it was still buggy, but since its on PPM instead of PAC now it should go more smoothly, I hope.We already have the tooltip that shows what weapon the pony is holding in TTT, but even then, this will quickly become a must for pony models I'm sure, showing out the weapon as well for most cases. Amarezing.I do wonder how the AI made it work through PPM... could break down a lot of PACs into that...
>>43485588Wow, if it fixes the sitting bug then that looks amazing. Especially the unicorn magic part.
My name is PSI Magnet α, and I suck big sweaty cocks.
>>43485573>No.Then it's not /mlp/ just like gmares and the name should reflect that.
>>43485604oh i'm aware that if you look directly at someone, you can see what they're holding, but in TTT, seeing someone walking around with a knife or a banana bomb is an obvious giveaway that's not so obvious when you can't see the model.Also having it better fit other sweps would just be funny.
>>43485224If it's true that they are going to make s&box free to play in the future, it would probably be best to wait until then to try to move anons over. I imagine a lot more people would be willing to give it a try then.
>>43485833Or how about we bill it as a separate group to Gmares or only play it on specific days if it can become functional? We do the latter in the TF2 group with the TF2C server.
>>43485900I just mean, how many of us have s&box or would be willing to buy it? Gmod has been out for years and pretty much everyone has it by now, so being free would probably help s&box's chances, and at that point it would hopefully have been updated enough to not be a pile of shite like it is now.I was one of the ones who suggested dedicated nights for tf2c in the tf2 thread. I don't think it's a good idea to split players between two games, so the idea of possible S&box nights sounds good to me.
>another thread ruined by dramafagging
>>43485948What drama?
>>43485947We are likely merely discussing in terms of hypotheticals at this point, especially since S&box doesn’t have as large of a community surrounding it and would therefore have less of a reason for there to be things like PPM2, the media player, and game modes like TTT.Also, what if Poopsikins is really that interested in the game and would rather cede complete ownership of Gmares to Cider than continue playing if S&box has everything we need on paper? I’d be fine if S&box had a dedicated night to it as well, but I’m saying that it may not work out this way.
>>43485588
Oh yeah, I noticed the room party didn’t really get mentionedIt was comfy meeting all of (you), I only really remembered Macrodoors, Cider, Double Helix, Luna Cave anon, Optimus, PootisHub, and MountHail.Probably my favorite room party out of them all, hopefully I can find work next year and meet all of (you) again.
Not gonna be on for a while, friends. This is Gizzy, crashed my bike and fractured my wrist, kinda bedlocked rn.
>>43486883expedient recovery i wish for you big assed mare
>>43486883Sorry to hear that, get well soon
>>43486883Get well soon, GZ!
>>43486883Oh no! Get better!
>>43486883Oh shit Giz hope you're ok. Get well soon.
Appreciate the kind words friends. no more bikes for me lol
>>43486883Get better fren.
>>43485015>It's my plan to retire the server and move it to S&box when I believe it's time.My PC is not good enough for S&box, so i guess when that time comes, it will be my final goodbye to Gmares. It's been an honor.
>>43487735Let me rephrase, I'd be retiring ownership from the server if that time comes. I'd pass ownership to someone else who can maintain it and pay the server fees. Gmares would still live!
>>43488095Oh oops, my bad. I'm a numget.
>>43488095so it'd be going to Cider then, right? most newfriends and even ponies that haven't been here super long assumed he was
>>43488159now THAT'S a blushget
>>43486883stop being hurt retard. we like you
i want sum anon frens76561198826105063
>>43489198Then hop on gmares gmares gmares in a few hours
How was the gmare room party?
>>43490490read >>43486070
>>43490503kino
>>43490490we turned lemon into lemonade
>>43491338https://youtu.be/POjEBWjDoQk?si=JhpEmJ9rSSoEc6_h
>>43491413kek
>>43490503Damn, you had Sniggers? Wish I could have been there.
>>43491878What about a buttah finger?
>>43492140Never tried one, don't have em over ere mate. Unless that's slang for what goes down in room parties.
>>43491338then we turned that lemonade into strawberry lemonade
>>43493896smoile
>>43492650>>43491878>>43492140https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnaMioYcWHE
mares
Hop on gmares!https://u.pone.rs/noqwejtb.png
>>43495899Nice art Anon!
3 on snoofmare
6 on lochget
12 on hoofbox
14 on maremare
I have decided to eat the mooch.
>>43496534Is the brownie dark red from baking his blood in it?
>>43495899cute mares! lovely snowpity!
>>43495899holy cute
>>43495899I nominate this as the next OP image
>>43495899Absolute peak.>>43496534Something about this brownie scares me and I don't know why.
>>43496534how did it taste
>>43496749>>43497385Probably the fact that it isnt a brownie at all!I was being thematic when I said I was eating the mooch!but to be fair I didnt think to buy the frosting or anything cause I bought it on a whim. i'll make a better mooch to eat another day. >>43497726 eh. it was alright. about what you would expect from storebought mixture without any frosting. the edges were crispy. I liked that. Kinda like a brownie, funnily enough
gato's new friend
with just one mile left of her arduous bus ride through the desert of Nevada, Cloud Chaser looks in the mirror one last time
>>43498043she's beautiful
>>43495899i love them!
3 on snoofmares
9 on TTT
10 on Quake Instagib
7 on EFT
7 on OpenVirus
Server Soft CrashedBack to Sandbox we go.
>>43499317RIGHT as i was about to join because i saw open virusyou BETTER vote for open virus again
>>43499318that shit keeps killing the server tho
9 on snoofbox
>>43499472is lemon sweet or sour?
>>43497834A... red velvet brownie?That's... an interesting idea.
>>43499819Do not eat ze mares.
Update:Added:https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3779123735Because its similar to something someone requested about a month ago. (Though that was a map that hadn't been updated since 2014)
>>43499423what are the mares doing to barney?
>>43499907Not >>43485588 , but(t) is going to be added too, right?
>>43499819It's NOT A BROWNIE :screm:I just only had a brownie tray...besides. red velvet is already cholcolate flavored anyway
>>43500104Added (doesn't work properly with all weapons though)
>>43500176cheese
1 on marebox
8 snoofers on sand
11 on maremare
>>43500605It looks like there are some dependencies(PPM/2 Magic Auras and MLP Magic Auras) that need to be added to the addon. Unicorns are bork right now as can be seen in pic related.
>>43501858They are on the server already, clients need to sub to the addons.
>>43501866weird it doesn't auto-sub them if they're following the addon pack in the OP
>>43502037smugxie
>>43502037I can't believe Wheely ran over Gizzy and then flew the scene
>>43502170kek
6 on TTT
Mine turtle collateralhttps://pony.tube/w/xxeSg8unEVQwUgshxH2TvX
hop on zombie survival!!!
5 on Zombie Survival
9 on EFT
Brap Ballhttps://pony.tube/w/4yK8Unk1Uva9aPoS7sSgme
8 on death run
wheelie baldper
10 on duck hunt
8 on prop hunt
>>43503510Egghead
8 on Open Virus
9 on Trash Compactor
>>43486070cider is a faggot that grooms kids into joining his steam and wants kids in gmares. i'm glad i got banned
>43503816you forgot your image and copypasta
9 on snoofmare
>>43499423Cloud Chaser's human zoo.
>>43503950
>>43498043is that slendermare?
Lochget monster
>>43504283numscared
>>43504283big!
>>43504283spooky!
>>43504283In that town... I see that numget...
>>43504283>daisy and roseluck, but no lilly valleyanon, you had ONE JOB.
One just chilling on sandbox if anyone wants to join
>>43503510is she okay?
6 on snoofbox
>>43505497the monster already ate her.allegedly the last they heard of her was her saying "The horror! The horror!" followed by a large gulping sound
17 snoofas on sniffbox
18 on fatkid
14 on TTT
14 on open virus
13 on trash compactor
server is restarting
>>43506885server closed they got aids in the water
>>43506885epi ate the server
>>43506945That map was great for pics, with so many mares too
>>43507002Epips phat fucking dumper was great for pics
5 years since Lucky Roll was created!Happy Luckyversary!
>>43507011Real? Happeee birday Luckeee
Stare challenge for which big mare blinks firstEpi won, somehow
high fps autism fighthttps://u.pone.rs/nvwrdxce.mp4
>>43507115>Walk under>Look up
>>43507115laggy mares
>>43507016E!
dont die on me gmares
3 on snoofbox
5 on snoofmare
bump
7 on marebox
Gmares full focused on Fluttershys lesson on Rabbits
>>43509478bunnymares
does anypony know how to fix this? I would like to play on the server but I cannot save my pony...
>>43509728Hop on right now and I'll help you, weird that you can't save at all, if so, you'd need to manually edit the file. Hopefully we can figure something.
>>43509730okay, I will try.
3 on sandmare
>>43509730My PC hard crashed and restarted, but thanks for showing me the basics and things! I will try to join some nights on the server.
>>43509782Yeah someone had spawned a glimmer earlier that was killing the server slowly with errors, changed maps to kill it, but should be ready for the future there. Glad everything could work out there.
>>43510023the brap cloud cometh
>>43498024A good friend to have
>>43509810So which Glimmer should we avoid spawning in the future?
look at this random screenshot I found
>>43510868fishing filly
>>43510868Is this swamp cinema server? I wish pony wasn't pointwalled. I really don't want to idle there for like a week straight.
5 on desert mares
>>43511395That after further looking, is probably swamp cinema, yeah. back when i kept having errors for months trying to join gmares i went there every so often to pony
3 on marebox
Does anyone know why the battlemetrics link returns a 404 page? It was working a few days ago.
1 on amrebox
>>43510868that filler looks low poly
>>43512711
>>43512740HE
>>43512847CAN'T
>>43512740Kill yourself.
>>43513503KEEP
>>43513761do not defang the bap.
2 on snoofmare
Tonight we're going to play gmonopoly! Hop on and join with us to this fun board game with maers desu.
>>43513758GETTING
>>43513931AWAY
>>43513933with?
>>43513971IT
please addhttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2392941153i was going to suggest flatgrass classic but this one is kind of like the best of both worldsmore low-filesize maps that might be cool to add:Highway mapshttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=124606283https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=152413570Excess Construct by the guy who made Excess Islandhttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=174651081Functional Flatgrasshttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1447523209
>>43514022Added
>>43514022If we're suggesting maps, mind if i throw a few in the mix?comfy map that's pretty easy to run for hanging out and watching mediahttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3770225219
>>43514350That maps almost a GB.Quite a bit too large.
3 mares trying out new maps!!!!!
>>43514634are they good or no
Dancing Gmareshttps://pony.tube/w/d8HTa6wCHuYgZovomd9G8G
15 on functionalbox
>get in
>>43514907no pls no D:
>>43515376Amethyst heard what you been talking about her mom. She's just... setting things straight.
>>43515559Amethyst? That's not Amethyst.
>>43515559have mercy
>>43515689have marecy
>>43515654dragony
>>43513924Alright, let's continue with the fun! I want to play with you frens so hop on now.
>>435158922 on snoofbox
>>43514428oh shit my bad, i didn't even notice the file size.I could also recommend this one. <350mb, but all files included, no game dependent assets. Large seating area to hang out at and have the media player, good detail, good performance. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3380651069
8 on sandmare
Sup fellas.Made this for y'all. Apparently russia doesnt like it on youtube so here's a linkhttps://u.pone.rs/qoyigotn.mp4
>>43516764kek kino!
>>43516764great work Anon, this is hilarious!
>>43516764I love you
>>43516764kek
Ban PSI for off boarding
Thank you fellas for play with me, this game is really fun! At least for me
>>43516764SOVL
>>43516764Actual kino. Love the editing and timing with the music.
>>43516764haha
>>43517059numbeam
>>43516764>didn't make the cutnumver
I really really like this view can more mares step on me please
Also, is the weapon mouth hold / magic weapon hold pac built in now? Does that mean mares need to remove their existing weapon pac from their outfit so I can have some frames back
>>43518266it's now a PPM plugin, seen here; >>43485588
>>43518266Yeah pretty much.
8 on marebox
>>43518257teats
this mare stole my clothes help
>>43516764cinemare
>>43519384swag
>>43519708Murder
Bump
>>43520680what on earth
>>43520910*what in Equestria
>>43521366ALVIN NOOOO
berry bath
>>43521551are you okay berry?
>>43521881
new gmod update soon
>>43522447cheaple scares me
4 on snoofabox
>>43521881damagics
>>43521941who is the glowing mare?
>>43523737Fed-Mare
2 on TTT
4 on TTT hop on
11 on TTT
o great mare of the woods.....
11 on EFT
>>43516764Alright. This convinced me. I'll join gmares more often.
>>43524368nice pet
>>43524185spooky
total blue bap victory
Detective pones, gyatt pic unrelatedhttps://u.pone.rs/apdnqdja.mp4
>>43524592which one is the pet?admittedly this joke would work better if she was wearing her collar
>>43525440dots
11 on highwaybox
>>43525440elite detective work
>>43525410Blue Balls more like
Mine Turtle Jewhttps://pony.tube/w/brK26X5jj4DzdRBfoBUrtKBerry Punch realhttps://pony.tube/w/hLfCS2r5N2JcgfSJP23irw
>>43525202ponut probe
>>43527300wheelie boppin
>>43526287Red Cucks stay jorkin it https://u.pone.rs/qhyxdkbr.mp4
>>43528068all necc
>>43526332jewjewjewJEWJEWJEWJEW
>>43528068:nuts:
>>43527300look at em go!
2 on zombie survival
2 on marebox
>>43530191derp
>>43530905talk about horny!
>>43530191bleh
6 on snoofmares
where's berry?
>>43532449she's right here: >>43521551
>>43532449Oh Berry!
>>43532876cute!
just keep smiling
>>43533370>Pony shot in the face>Giggles the pain awayI don't think that's what giggle at the ghosties was meant to convey...
>>43533370drugged horse
>>43533370SONATAAAAA
>>43533370>>43533383>ghost of pony laughing at their own corpse cause they landed in a funny pose.
>>43533977me when i press my kill bind
2 on mapsweepers
2 on 7/11 box
7 on sand
>"CUTIE MARK CRUSADERS ROPE PULLERS! YAY!"
>>43534617kinoooooooo
>>43534617ahh ke gaa luuu
>>43534617>>43535122boo boo boo boowomp
>>43534617sometimes we have to ask ourselves why we create. do we do it for eachother or is it for us, to not be forgotten. as the horse watches the rope being pulled by the three fillies, he can no longer tell.
>>43535249zigga pony stack
>>43535249:trauma:
>>43535251necc
Hey guys, so Gmod for 64-bit finally landed on stable, so we have a new launch option. Does this mean we still need to use the 64-bit beta, or can we stay on stable as long as the media player still works on it?
>>43536395been using the standard 64-bit non-beta and haven't had any stability issues or anything. i'd just say use it and if you get problems, switching back is quick and easy on steam.
>>43536531Okay, official response seems to be it's broken for now but it will get fixed, so I guess everypony should keep using the Beta branch for the time being.
8 on TTT
gogogogogohttps://pony.tube/w/uzAhmWQZh5Bh6zwygo2YErAngery Lemonhttps://pony.tube/w/uyyauRFPFUw7vriwP3GHvHCheesed to meet youhttps://pony.tube/w/cC68jEucB8nCd3PU21Zrso
>>43536639weird, i've been using the stable 64-bit version since it came out and haven't noticed any issues or things being broken.
