Which would you rather take? Remain in 2010-2012 forever, the golden ages of FiM and its fandom, or the golden ages of the internet in a FiM-less world (2000-2009)?With the first you get to forever experience FiM and its fandom at its greatest, but you're limited to just two years, or the second with 9 years, but no FiM.Pic somewhat related.
>>43514305Does it loop? If it loops, 2010-2012, easily. Infinite possibilities in 2 years alone. Shorter time loop means less attachment to each one, too, so I can have more fun with it doing weird and wild shit.
>>43514305The ponies duh
>>435143052010-2012, obviously. Dude can you fucking imagine going back to 2000 internet speeds? In 2000 you're literally talking to like a dozen underage retards on SA and depending on where you are you might literally be on dialup, holy shit.No ponies is symptomatic of a general lack of access to things that you take for granted. Whereas the compressed time gives you perpetual access to good content and a decent enough circumstance in which to enjoy it. Plus, you don't have to worry about the future at all since your time horizon is so short.
>>43514305probably the first. those two years were still super magical and a great time to be on the internet.really if I had the choice though, let me live from 1990-2000, just any time before 9/11. I just want to go back to a time where people would listen to you and you would listen back, and people weren't so self-absorbed in themselves. and things still felt hopeful.I dunno man. I know I need to live in the moment, in the present, find joy in the life you're living now, but it's hard.
OP here, the image I provided also made me want to ask when do you think the internet's golden age ended? The 2000s or early 2010s? I'm asking because lately it seems like more and more people (mainly boomers) think it ended in the mid 2000s, I can understand why because of shit like the Great Recession of 2008, iPhones and the internet becoming way more mainstream, but there's still so much shit I loved from the late 2000s and early 2010s.Personally, I'm stuck between 2012 and 2013. Granted annoying shit we have to deal with today started to really rise in the 2010s like fags from Tumblr, people being overly sensitive, troons, and whatnot.
>>43514309>doing weird and wild shitDress head to toe in pony merch and stop Lanza from pulling a Not Important on a bunch of kids
>>43514342For me, it always boils down to one thing in 2013. The iPhone 5s. When the iPhone started looking like this and has looked that way ever since. Everything started turning minimalistic and lame.
>>43514342End of 2011. SOPA turned the internet into actual srs bznz because it marks a time where retards online actually came together to influence something happening in the real world, and not just some arbitrary little thing for lolz but something that actually made political activists and mass media organizations sit up and take notice. From that point onward, it turned from "advertisers have commercial interests which are fucking with internet spaces" to "think tanks have cultural interests which are fucking with internet spaces" which vastly accelerated the divide between posters who heretofore had never really cared about the fact that they disagreed with each other on practically everything but both liked e.g. pony pussy. The Obama campaign also tapped heavily into the internet in an attempt to reach younger people, and especially doubled down on this for 2012 with the internet being much more mainstream. There were a lot of confounding factors, but I'd say 2012 was the first year of the real grind of the 2010s, even if the fever pitch was more 2014.
>>43514326I don't mean to downplay your feelings or anything, but do so many people REALLY consider 9/11 to be the end all be all? Like, that's it? Nothing else beyond that point matters?
>>43514377>"You don't fuck with no PS2, no Cartoon Network, no YouTube, no 4chan, no MLP, no nothing?"
>>43514377that's not really what I was getting at at all, but after the fall of the iron curtain, the positivity of hey, maybe the world actually CAN get along, was very palpable. also very naive, for sure, but.. it was about as real as it could ever get.
>>43514375I'd say the fever pitch was more 2015-2016, what an absolute fucking abysmal time to be online in those years (and for a couple after too)
>>43514367I remember thinking the new iOS looked so cool, an acquaintance was one of the testers and had it on his phone before anybody else did and it was fun to just thumb through.but yeah it's like technology just... stopped moving forward at a certain point. has there been any real innovation in anything (besides AI) in the past... 5-7 years? even 10 years? doesn't feel like it. feels like it stagnated along with the rest of culture/the world.
>>43514394The 90s were a completely different world. Having people expect to be able to contact you at any time or place and assume something is wrong if they can't is a fundamentally different existence.
>>43514404>Having people expect to be able to contact you at any time or place and assume something is wrongyeah, the constant pervasiveness of that really fucks with me, makes it hard to get back to anybody because I feel like I always have to be "on". just leave me a voicemail, I'll get back to you then.
>>43514417I should clarify *leave me a voicemail at my home phone, big distinction
>>43514394I didn't really mean you specifically, but rather people like this.
>>43514305The time with ponies of course.
>>43514398True, 2014 and onward was utterly miserable. Everyone was so cynical and mean to each other for no fucking reason. Anime was becoming more mainstream and were no longer the go-to punching bag, but bronies got it the worst at this time, maybe I just wasn't aware at the time, but it seems like prior to 2014 people didn't care if you were a brony, not that much at least. Today, anime fans are no longer the internet's punching bag and got too bold and moved on to beating down other fandoms.
>>43514305I'm taking the former just for the ponies.Early 10s Internet wasn't that bad compared to 2015+ anyway.
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>>43514575Cute mare
>>43514309>Shorter time loop means less attachment to each one, too, so I can have more fun with it doing weird and wild shit.It's Saiki Kusuo-style loop where everyone remembers all events, but no one questions why year number don't progress and why no one gets older.
morning bump
>>435143052010-2012 are golden age of TF2, so that's a great timeloop too
>>43514367>iPhone 5s5cthe model made iphones massive
>>43514403>but yeah it's like technology just... stopped moving forward at a certain point. has there been any real innovation in anything (besides AI) in the past... 5-7 years? even 10 years? doesn't feel like it. feels like it stagnated along with the rest of culture/the world.yeah thismy Thinkpad from circa 2012 is still a functioning system that can play modern indies just finean computer from 1998 was e-waste in 2012
>>43514305Half of you guys would just eternally be children.
>>43514305There'd be nothing better than talking about the show or enjoying fanworks without any of the baggage that came with it after 2012. You could talk about unicorn Twilight and no one would raise an eyebrow, you could talk about waifus without cucktards bothering you, you could say you love Equestria Girls and people will think you mean the California Girls parody, you could discuss ideas for the future of the show from the blank, healthy slate that is the s1-s2 era, talk about headcanons that the show hasn't disproven yet, you could participate in a community that is highly active and isn't a shell of its former self. Good lord, there is nothing that killed MLP and its joys more than MLP itself and I'd give anything to go back. Sure, I can rewatch season 1 and 2 right now and pretend nothing happened afterwards but the same cannot be said for the community unless you're just content with looking at the archives (I'm not). Just take me back.
>>43514305>1985-1995The golden age I only know from reading netlib sources and Virtual Adepts splatbooks. Given a time machine, would visit for a couple years to see how it was.>1998-2004The silver age. Given a time machine, would visit for a couple months to unwind.>2007-2011The lowest point of rampant glowniggery. Wouldn't bother.>2011-2026Still the lowest point, but also ponies. Given a time machine, would jump around this span for a week or so for fun.>2035+???? Given a time machine, would be tempted to fast forward the bullshit and stay there.>Pic somewhat related.Not really. Transients aside, more people=more fun.
>>43514305I would've been content with 35% of the population compared to the 74% now. The internet wasn't niche anymore by that point, but it wasn't unusable or overcrowded yet. A nice inbetween.
>>43514342It was a slow, gradual decline, but the first blow came when your relatives started asking if you had a Facebook account yet.
>>43514733Is that really coming as a revelation to you, anon?
>>43514740>2035+?>??? Given a time machine, would be tempted to fast forward the bullshit and stay there.And then you find out that all computers have mandatory TPM 3.0 that you need to feed your biometric information to activate as well as permanent AI assistants tied to the System32 directory that will sent all your data to the authorities if you pirate something.
>>43514573Weebs acting like another otaku killer won't set them back another 2 decades
>>43514305>Remain in 2010-2012 foreverMaybe include 2013 and 2014 too. If we are talking about the golden age of the fandom, and not the show. The fandom peaked around 2013-2014.On one hand I would like to very much to stay in 2010-2014. Not just because of ponies.On the other hand I would not like to having to constantly deal with university stuff again. That was hell. Plus I was a poorfag back then. Just barely being able to afford living from the monthly student loans.Here goes your blogpost.The internet was completely different back then. I have broadband internet access since 2005. Before that I used to have dialup. 2000-2005 was not that great (not just because dialup, remember that back then everything was optimized for dialup so it was not that much of an issue). The early 2000s were a mess. There was barely anything compared to today, and not in a good way. Search engines were barely working. You had to manually find things. You had to spend hours digging for stuff which today you find in seconds. There were so so many viruses/malwares. If you bought a top of the line gaming PC in 2003, it would be obsolete in 2004 and e-waste by 2005. I have bought a decent laptop for uni in 2009 or something like that and 3 years later it could barely run demanding software. Heck, even video playback was an issue when 720p/1080p started to appear.The late 2000s were when everything you take granted today started to gain foothold/appear.I remember matchmaking for games used to be done over IRC channels. It was much more of a personal connection with the other players than just pressing "find a match" and getting dropped in a game. You got to know your teammates/opponents. Friendships were made. I don't play games anymore (stopped maybe 2015 completely), but even back then you could not make friends in games. The playerbase for popular games were already so large that there was 0 chance for you to be matched up with someone you have played with before. You just stopped looking at nicknames.
>>43514740>1985-1995>Golden ageLol, more like stone/iron age.Nothing works, nothing is compatible, everything is extremely slow. By todays standard, you can barely do anything you want.Huge nope.>1998-2004That's well into the exponential growth era. Let's split it into two.>1998-2001Stuff starting to work, hardware and software is starting to be there so you can actually do what you want. But still not quite there. Everything still breaks if you press the wrong button. Or just randomly. I don't miss monthly windows reinstalls.>2001-2004Modern concepts start to appear. Still too early and people are amazed by such simple things as a custom logo on a phone.>2007-2011Things stabilized, standardized. Thinks that you take for granted today like wifi. Computers become a productivity workhorse. Internet speed and latency reached actually usable levels where it was not holding you back. Except when flash got involved. You can find stuff you are interested in. There is stuff that you are interested in. There is no algorithmic feed besides "most popular this week" level stuff.Pretty good time period.>2011-2026Ah yes, let's mush together the actual golden age with todays bullshit. Fucking nigger.>more people=more funExcept it's not. You have to tiptoe around more people's bullshit. And as more and more normies get involved knowing less and less it's a minefield. Plus regulatory stuff starts appearing because well it's a thing which is used by close to 100% of the population in developed countries.
>>43514785Why did you decide to write like an AI?
>>43514305I'll be honest with you the 2000s weren't all that good
>>43514342Came here to shitpost september 1993, the start of Eternal September. I think I went online in 1994 for the first time...
>>43514305>AI Overview>2 different sources
>>43514377How young are you? I was old enough to feel the optimism completely drain out of people's lives after 9/11. It's never been the same post 9/11 zoomers are the only generation that seems to have any light behind their eyes
>>43514934Sure you did, old timer.
>>43514403Just compare GTA IV and GTA VI. There are basically no differences.
>>43514960Who cares, atypical pneumonia from 2002-2003 was a bigger deal than this.
Maya were right, the world did end after 2012. There's been literally no organic progress of humanity as a whole since then.
>>43514986Yep, they didn't say the world would literally end, but a new era would be beginning. It seems they were 100% correct on that. An era of misery and strife, of spiritual absence. A world that God has abandoned.
>>43514305I want to say yes to going back, but I think I've changed too much to enjoy it.I got genuinely upset because I was enjoying something the other day. It's beyond over for me.
As much as I want the pre-/mlp/ fandom back, it's gone and it should keep resting.It had meaning to it, where you could meet hundreds of welcoming people and form meaningful connections based on the show. I've had exchanges not just in /b/, but across some major forums and Steam. Even the snarky few Omegle chats where we used to find bronies or try to convert those normies.
Maybe 2011/12 wasnt the best time to join if you hated dubstep remixes with a passion, but it was a thrill.
>>43514447you see that blue checkmark? the person's just saying that for attention. the 2000's were still okay in my opinion.>>43514793why do you say that?
>>43514342To me was when 2012 ended.The two years following it (2013 and 2014) were "tolerable" but there was a clear decline in the quality of content and the attitudes of people in it.The second half of the 2010's. And anything from 2015 onwards is complete dogshit, only people born since the late 2000's feel nostalgic for said years.
>tfw born after everything went to shit so you are used to nothing being good.
>>43516089That's one way to cope about missing out I suppose.
>>43514573Shingeki no Kyojin and its consequences have a disaster for the anime community.
>>43516089sus
>2009>golden age>implyingIf you didn't experience 4chan in 2006 you might as well end yourself
>>43516139>2006>Golden ageGet a load of this queer. 30 AD? Now that was a good year for 4chan.
>>43516062Now that I think about it, the 2010's feels way under-discussed compared to those before and after it.It doesn't get nearly as much hate for what it has done to life (videogames, television shows, movies, the internet, politics, general architecture, etc.) compared to the 2020's. And because of how shitty it was, it doesn't get that much praise for its good things compared to the 2000's.
>>43516139>>43516147Ye wankers never experienced 5000 BC. The good times.
>>43514970It's completely irrelevant to the thread, but>p8and being a sucker for nostalgia...SupraModem 2400, dialing in to a shell account and running lynx to visit the few websites that were around, as well as gopher. tin for Usenet, don't think I used IRC much, but I remember the feeling of "holy shit I'm talking to someone on the other side of the planet" when I did.Got a faster modem as soon as I could, eventually went to university ten years later, got broadband, discovered 4chan 2005 and it's been downhill ever since.Thanks for reading my website and feel free to sign the guestbook.>>43514305I think I would choose to relive 2000-2009, I wouldn't know what I was missing out on and I'd be younger, with some naive optimism still.
>>435143052000-2009.I have been through too much torment during those years that need to be erased from history.
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>>43514305Do I age? Do I die? Am I in middle school forever on a time loop or do I still have to wagecuck? I'm confused
>>43517214You get a loan from the bank for two years that you never have to pay back and YOLO
>>43514367>2013-2017Beginning of the end, groundwork for enshittification is being laid but there's still a sovlful online subculture. There still exists a separation between normie internet and autism internet>2017-2020The coalescing. Younger generations of normies start to get into the more autistic internet culture. The line between online / offline starts to faulter here.>2020-2024Total enshittification. All generations are forcefully trapped in the internet. You have boomers getting into Death Grips. The girl who bullied you for liking anime in high school is now cosplaying as your waifu on Onlyfans. Everything is twisted and backwards. The internet and the normieverse are one in the same. There's few non-enshittified places for autists now, and even those usually have some sort of /pol/ shit or troon shit going on.
>>43517232>The girl who bullied you for liking anime in high school is now cosplaying as your waifu on Onlyfans.Gtfo nohooves traitor
>>43516182>t.
>>43517273UD REA
>>43517273Would
I think people forget how much everyone was complaining about how shit 4chan had become even in the early 2010s. I do think things have gotten worse in the world in general but the discourse on this website in particular is the exact same as it was 15 years ago.
I'm too young to remember the Internet before the early 2010s and I didn't really start paying attention until 2015, but every time I go back and look at old Internet stuff, I pretty much see the same bullshit that I hate about the Internet today. One moment that stuck with me was being anxious about age verification and then looking through old Usenet discussion from the 90s and seeing people stressing about the Communications Decency Act. Seeing stuff like that plus reading the book Code and Other Laws of Cyberspace convinced me that the Internet has basically been cooked since day one and has always had roughly the same set of problems, even if it wasn't always as bad as today.Of course, the Internet wasn't such a corporate hellscape back in the 2000s, but it also looks like it was way harder to find anything worth looking at back then. Old websites and old Internet media tended to be hideous and it feels like Internet people didn't learn how to draw until the 2010s.
>>43517580>I'm too young to remember the Internet before the early 2010sYour "opinions" mean nothing then.
>>43517580>but it also looks like it was way harder to find anything worth looking at back thenYou're most likely looking at incomplete, desolate websites, and you really can't get a good sense of what they used to be like just from looking at an archive. Plus, there's tons of content that's straight-up lost. For example, barely anything from Angelfire survived, even though it used to be a pretty important part of the old internet ecosystem.>it feels like Internet people didn't learn how to draw until the 2010s....that is kind of true for the most part, I will give you that.
>>43517232Way earlier. The difference is in what the internet "is" for their users.It used to be that the internet (outside of corporate inttranets and so on) being "serious" was more or less a meme. It was all forums and silly videos, it wasn't serious or relevant at all. Being bullied on the internet was more or less irrelevant because you could just turn off the computer and that was that. Forums, online identities, had no bearing at all on your actual, real irl life."Online friends" was a oxymoron, those people don't actually exist and they're not actually your friends.After a certain point in early-mid 2010, I'd say around 2012-2014, the Internet became 'real' in a tangible way for the majority of people. Your online presence mattered and started to mix with your offline life. It wasn't just that you 'had to have' a facebook, its that you had to have everything else or you couldn't socialize at all. Brands started advertizing online more than irl and so they pushed platforms to become more family friendly, and most people liked that so they were happy about it.There were foreshocks before 2012-2014 date (the 2007-2012 MW2 era brought infinite waves of normies to gaming forums and changed the landscape considerably), and the internet didnt fully permeate until 2017 or so (Hilldawg was laughed at for having an internet propaganda budget in 2015, Trump's online support or GG similarly was semi-imaginary "internet trolls"), but 2012 is probably the first year you can say you're going to hang out with your friends on skype and not get skinned alive.Consider how now having no online presence at all, no "online friends" is weirdo behavior. For a lot of young people, their whole social circle interacts mostly online. Getting the cyberpolice called on you now is a genuine threat. Consequences indeed weren't the same.
>>43514305To be honest, probably 2000-2009. I feel as though cultural change and innovation began to slow down after the recession, and stopped completely after 2012 (The exception being the politicization and enshittification of literally every facet of life). I miss when my family weren't online and/or political cultists. >>43514793I agree, but it's still 1000x better than whatever the fuck is going on right now.>>43514398I remember seeing everyone around me going insane practically overnight, and the internet I loved disappearing practically overnight. 2016 imo was the culmination of all the subversive progroms going on in the previous seven years.
>>435143052000 to 2009 made me want to die. Pony saved my spirit
>>43517930>I miss when my family weren't online and/or political cultists. Yep. It's not fun hearing your family bitch about Trump all the time. Or get angry when you tell them you aren't voting. Big fuckin mistake right there.
>>43517895I think you hit the nail on the head with this post. The problem really came when people started bringing the internet into real life. On 4chan this happened around 2008, or a bit before that, when people wearing Guy Fawkes masks could be seen in the streets, and people from /b/ started meeting up. I think it was around that time moot tricked some /b/tards into meeting up and photographed them to highlight the problem.The smartphone probably accelerated this phenomenon, but this is really the core of the problem - that the internet is no longer a place to retreat to after a day of real life, but just an extension of it, together with all the shittiness that comes with it.
>>43516062>only people born since the late 2000's feel nostalgic for said years.I want 2019 back because '20s have been a giant disaster so far
Do you guys think the 2030's will be even worse than it is now?
>>43518326Yes. No doubt about it. Nothing ever gets better.
>>43518326things can't get any worse, right?
>>43514403>>43517930>>43514986it's actually fascinating how tech only gets "better" according to Moore's lawliterally nothing revolutionary on the market, just more computing power in already-existing electronicsthis sucks
>>43514767So no meaningful change since the aughts? Bummer, ff more.But it would suck to find a nuclear wasteland in '35. Or worse, to have worldly authorities hijack my time machine. We may never know for certain if they trapped anybody with Hawking's honeypot party, but they won't give up if they didn't.>>43514785>Everything breaks if you press the wrong buttonGit gud. Faulty tech invites experimentation and coevolution. Reliable tech brings nothing but boredom and death.>You have to tiptoe around more people's bullshit.No you don't. Basic decency and good opsec are as necessary and sufficient today as they were when reliable tech-loving fucktards killed Socrates. My theory: you're maliciously infected with irrational fear of tiptoeing because your owners are pulling a Gidron-Hall on you.>Plus regulatory stuff starts appearing becauseBecause worldly authorities believe their status IRL lets them control the internet as well. The most pathetically one-sided conquest in modern history.>>43518326Only one way to find out.
>>43517305Glad I found my way here in 2005, back when even /b/ was good. Also, the gameIn all seriousness, there was a certain wild creative spirit that came with anonymity and lack of filters / self-censorship that doesn't really exist now, and didn't really exist anywhere else either. You still occasionally see hints of it.
>>43517895>"Online friends" was a oxymoron, those people don't actually exist and they're not actually your friends.Stopped reading there.
>>43514377For burgers who lived through it and are old enough to remember it, 9/11 was a huge cultural sea-change. Not only the loss of optimism and hope for a better tomorrow, but it was the start of the modern digital centralization and panopticon. A paradigm shift for the worse. The closest comparison is the death of JFK, but that's even harder to grasp nowadays. But don't worry, such events seem to happen every 40-50 years, so you'll probably live to see the next big collapse of the promised future.
>>43518338>things can't get any worse, right?ha....ha....
>>43518630>how to give away you're a zoomer
>>43518783>how to give away you're a miserable boomer
>>43518662>such events seem to happen every 40-50 yearsIf the next big thing isn't the mutual nuking of India and Pakistan which triggers the opening of the portal to Equestria, I couldn't give a shit
>>43518320What about neither? I can barely compromise with 2013 and 2014 because those were the years I got invested in ponies and that I started following animators and reviewers that would heavily shape my development on the internet. The late 2010's is endless misery and the 2020's being worse does not make 2019 any less shit.
>>43517305At least in the early 2010s shit-stirrers were banned, now 4chan is a schizo utopia and the mods don't even care they just let every single thread go to shit and only ban stuff when it's something they personally don't like.
>>43518954>and the 2020's being worse does not make 2019 any less shit.there's "things sucks" sucks and "I WANT TO GET OFF THIS RIDE" sucks2020s are the latter
>>43514305Only 2010 and 2011. 2012 was the beginning of my downfall that took 7 years to right.
>>43514367Smart phones in general were a massive blow to the world. Sure, people had their noses in their phones texting, but giving everyone over 9000 reasons to stare down at their homogenous, backlit rectangles was too much. And this isn't even old man yelling at cloud this time. Zoomers are annoying as sin, but the gen alphags are DOA because of smart phones and tablets.
>>43519058>2020s are the latterThen too bad because you're never leaving.
>>43519070Gen Alpha was doomed from the start. I do have a bit more of hope for Gen Beta since at least Zoomers are slightly more aware of the dangers of smartphones and tablet based on personal experience.
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>>43518399>Git gud.Lol. Shows that you never used tech before it become user friendly, probably you were born in the late 2000s.Just a few examples:On mac (I hate them, but I had to use them in a class in university) if you accidentally pressed shift + scroll lock instead of shift + print screen, it either softlocked or crashed the OS completely.Or when setting up monitors in the 90's which did not provide EDID you had to manually set up parameters (refresh rate, blanking delay, overscan, etc). I remember that I accidentally typed one parameter wrong. The monitor honored it with a loud internal explosion.Or that you still had to set up the geometry of HDDs in the late 90s. It was not remotely plug and play. You plugged in an internal IDE hdd and the computer had 0 knowledge of how large it is, how to address it. Fun times figuring it out when the options in the BIOS would not accept the values printed on the HDD.Not to mention how fucking instable windows was back then. Reinstalling it every 2-3 months for heavy users was more common than not.>No you don't.Again LOL.You know that 99% of places were overtaken by normies at this point? Remember early IRC, facebook like social media (myspace or other local sites, internet was not that global back then)? Now if I say NIGGER or say all fags should die that's an immediate ban.>authorities believe their status IRL lets them control the internet as wellAnd they will succeed. The goal is not control how you think. It's to make it inconvenient enough. Making it inconvenient enough means users will seek easier methods and the now "darknet" will die off from the lack of users.Look at Fimfiction. They require messaging them via discord for registrations. This cut the registrations back by a lot, even if we exclude the endless amount of bot accounts. The number of registrations fallen because a simple additional requirement.
>>43518326They're biding their time for now to not alienate their base but the current situation where you can browse whatever at any point is undesireable. Parents dont want it, politicians dont want it, normies for the most part dont really care and above all of these, payment processors dont want it. We're already rolling out chat control (EU) and their US equivalents (EARN IT, STOP CSAM,...). More than a dozen states already require a valid ID to watch porn. This is easy to extend to basically everything else. 4chan may have porn. Tiktok is owned by very unwholesome chinks so you cant watch that. Small forums? What for? No sorry.Around 2030 you'll have internet packages, like cable, and throttle (or not provide at all) the rest. Your ISP will give you safe and wholesome state-approved websites if they want to keep using banks. If you want to use anything else you'll need to have a second provider, if they can even get their cables to your door.People assume the internet is still some wild west shit because they dont know the infrastructure. When I type this I'm assuming my AS gets along with 4chan's AS and every other AS and IXP in the middle. It has never really happened yet but Cloudflare+FAGMAN could very easily strongarm whatever third rate AS into not giving service to the KKK website or they wont provide service to THEM. There's no law that prevents this.In the modern internet without payment providers you're nothing. stripe, paypal already ban porn; steam and itchio had to revisit their policy on porn,... If they decide they just dont want you hosted in the first place they'll do the same for hosting providers and CDNs and you wont be able to get a domain, and if you do you wont be able to get offline.This already happened to TV and radio. The Internet understood as something where you can just get a website going without a loicence is an extreme anomaly that has lasted until now because regulators are all boomers that still think it's a series of pipes. This is over.
>>43519170>because you're never leaving.2030s might be better, r-right?
>>43519715>not giving service to the KKK website or they wont provide service to THEM. There's no law that prevents this.I remember >Kiwi >Farms actually experiencing this and successfully dealing with it thanks to certain state laws (they went with Washington iirc) The thing with the Internet is that to truly kill it you need to control PROTOCOLSyou literally can't force all ISPs to monitor all ports for specific protocols without crashing the economy WHILE ALSO FAILING TO CENSOR THE INTERNET t. Russian, so far our censorship managed to surpass "Chinese firewall" levels of insanity, with the service sector of economy getting totally ass-raped, and yet I'm still able to watch YouTube and post on 4chan
>>43519715The worst thing: All monitors will be curved by 2030.
>>43514955>charles_leclerc.png
>>43517930>>43517958Honestly times like these are why a part of me is happy my parents are Jehovah's Witnesses. Don't get me wrong I think they're a cult and The Watchtower Organization can eat my fat asshole, but at the very least they want nothing to do with politics and abstain from participating in it. Not to say they don't keep up with current events but it's nice to get away from all the noise and just hang out the people in my life who are disconnected from all of it. Same with my brother, he's not even religious he just doesn't give a single fuck about what's happening in the world.
>>43519715>internet packagesThey already tried this back with Microsoft Channels (or something like that) when Windows 98 came around (or was it 95 OSR2?) The time wasn't ripe then but I think they can push it through today thanks to (fabricated) moral hysteria. What I'm trying to say is, the ones in charge always wanted this and pushed for this, shitty Jew companies like Microsoft at the forefront of them all. In fact, I can't think of a single company that's actually actively fighting the enshittification. Just goes to show corporatism is the cancer killing societies.
>>43519955Please God no. I fucking hate curved monitors.
>>43514377It's a burger thing. 9/11 was when they realized the rest of the world didn't really like them. More than that, it's when many Americans would (eventually) learn that their government had been destabilizing various nations for decades. After 9/11, they couldn't pretend they were the objective good guys. Outside of America, 9/11 mostly came and went. 4chan consensus is that things got bad in 2008, but I think that's too pedantic. I think things started taking a turn for the worse in 2014 or so. 2015 was when I began really noticing entertainment media took a big turn for the worse.
>>43514377Anyone that was an adult at the time will be able to tell you where they were at the exact moment that it happened. That's how much of an impact it made. And I'm not even an American.
>>43520101>9/11 was when they realized the rest of the world didn't really like themYou know shit all about Americans if you truly believe this.Most Americans are plenty aware that most of the world hates them. They just rightfully don't give a shit.
>>43520110>They just rightfully don't give a shit.Burger here. We really don't.
>>43514377There are still anal searches in airports all around the globe. I can't think of any single event before or after that would bring a comparable amount of pointless humiliation to humanity.
>>43519949>The thing with the Internet is that to truly kill it you need to control PROTOCOLSNo you dont, you just need to control infrastructure. I'll just not route you and terminate contract with whoever does if they dont drop you as well. Itchio "voluntarily" dropped porn from their platform just like AS4444 will "voluntarily" drop 4chan from their service, or else. It really is all a bunch of wires.Or I just knock whatever prefixes I dont like from you until you solve the problem, most likely.>you literally can't force all ISPs to monitor all ports for specific protocolsNo need. Safer Internet Initiative 2030 (20 banks + FAANG + Clouflare) would contact Trellian AS133618 and tell them if they dont drop KF they'll make sure they'll get blacklisted from every banking platform and they'll contact their upstream to tell them what prefixes to drop. Worked with itchio and they had more to lose. Trellian will absolutely terminate .0001 of their traffic to keep the rest, just like Cloudflare did. "Controversial websites" really aren't worth the hassle and everyone knows who the public would side with.>I'm still able to watch YouTube and post on 4chanRussia is physically connected to Europe and the rest of the world. Russia cannot close itself from the rest of the world and viceversa, EU cant cut off Russia by banning eg Rostelecom et al from their peeringdb. If the EU blocked every Russian AS and made all european IXPs close peering with Russia, a Russian packet could still route through wherever else and get into the EU via Turkey for example. You "can't" cut off a country unless you convince every neighboring country to close their wires too.But AS/ISP/IXPs are smaller, so they CAN do that. If all your neighbors drop you, you're a WAN. My company's AS has two upstream providers and if they drop us we're just fucked.DPI will literally never work but dropping a server (servers if you multihome) will almost always work. That's why all the piracy servers are .ru, they just rehost there because you can't hard drop Russia from the internet, Russia doesnt care and no one cares enough to start policing IXPs. They could though. If Lumen or ATT told whatever Russian ISP to please please please drop piracywebsite.ru or they'll start knocking prefixes, they would within the half hour. They don't because we've all agreed to not do this for the time being, but they could. Tier1s and roots are neutral and independent but they dont have to be.Case in point, Spain blocks half the internet every Sunday because their state-owned soccer league and their their state-owned telecomms company, Telefonica, collude to blachole whole ranges their system decides are hosting piracy. They regularly drop the bulk of Vercel, Github,... Since Telefonica owns the majority of the wires they can void whatever they want. It actually really just works.
>>43520227>I'll just not route you and terminate contract with whoever does if they dont drop you as well.Except you'll break the law in states like Texas when you do because you're considered a "common carrier" there and you have no right to decide what can and cannot pass through the wires.
>>43520227>bankingcrypto ^:)
>>43520260I don't think I am at all, can you provide the law?Regardless I wouldn't really care, as soon as you leave TX im blackholing you. If the server is inside TX and you're outside, or viceversa, you're not getting there. If you're both inside TX you can just get another local AS that provides the same service, non issue for both of us.In general you as an AS/IXP are not obligated to peer with anyone, its up to both sides, they're private companies unless you can argue discrimination or something.>>43520296Not having Stripe or a bank account at all is for a webring or a libertarian romanian hosting provider but it's not really fine if you're a real company with actual clients and a light bill to pay.
>>43520314>Not having Stripe or a bank account at all is for a webring or a libertarian romanian hosting provider but it's not really fine if you're a real company with actual clients and a light bill to pay.4chan has been crypto-only for YEARSonly recently they switched from >coinbase to stripe
>>43520296More like "one phone for banking and official stuff and another for porn and wrongthink".For every setback there's solutions, because lawmakers and pooliticians are always one step behind the technological curve. That doesn't mean things won't get worse, they will. Things will get more difficult or "dangerous" if they're not wholesome and kosher to the powers that be, but this doom and gloom "OH NOOOES THE INTERNET IS OVER" nonsense is just tiring.
>>43520318That's because 4chan has the luxury of being state-owned.
>>43520320>"one phone for banking and official stuff and another for porn and wrongthink".yeah thishere in Russia "Maxophones" for storing State-enforced malware are getting quite useful, esp. when the apps are actual fucking malware that gets removed from app stores, lmao>>43520332>4chan has the luxury of being state-owned.4chan doesn't look state-owned unlike harkach, lmao
>>43520314>I wouldn't really careYeah because you're not in charge of anything, you're just a NEET doomposting on 4chan. The people in charge actually do care about not alienating an entire state, even if they wish they could not.
>>43520318Yeah, a website, not Trellian. I'm not dropping you from banking, I'm dropping Trellian if they dont drop you and Im dropping everyone else that has routes to you, like Cloudflare dropped KF.My policy as AT&T is to not route to websites in the Known CSAM Providers list as defined by the Safer Internet Initiative 2030, and I only peer with companies that adopt this policy as well, which are all of them since I'm a tier 1 in the US and my main shareholders are the same as every other tier 1. If you want to rehome to Belgrade and use a Serbia-only ISP I dont care. Your clients are here.
>>43520341>doom doom doom oh woe the world is endingYou're tiresome.
>>43520338I'm not alienating Texas though, I'm alienating your website because its politically toxic and I dont want to be peering with you if you carry poopoo.shart because my shareholders dont like it. And your shareholders will like it even less because im a tier 1 and you're going to go out of business if i depeer you and your websites that arent poopoo.shart start leaving.All other content for Texas goes through and 99.999% of users wont care. Actually kind of easy for whoever cares to cast your shit league ISP that does host this as the ISP for pedophiles and have the median texan actually genuinely hate you.I used to be the wagecuck handling abuse requests at a 4th rate ISP that allowed Tor (so we got a lot) and let me tell you we genuinely couldnt give less of a fuck either way. If hosting Tor was made illegal we would've dropped those contracts same day. If our only remaining upstream told us to do a gay little dance for them we would have because they fucking hated us.You didnt find the law because it doesnt exist by the way.
>>43520372>You didnt find the law because it doesnt exist by the way.It's in the works, but again, you're just doomposting, so it's pointless to talk with you, because you'll always come up with some doom and gloom scenario to reinforce your point.
>>43520372>If our only remaining upstream told us to do a gay little dance for them we would haveNice job outing yourself as a cuck btw
>>43514733I'm already 31 and haven't changed since I was 16
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>>43520382I'll help you, you were referring to the law that makes social media a common carrier, HB20. It specifically doesnt cover ISPs just in case, but it wouldnt cover ASs or IXPs. You can do whatever you want on your WAN, obviously. No one can force you to host or carry anything you dont want.I'm "dooming" because you dont want to hear it, that's fine, I wont tell you. You can act surprised when it happens and pretend no one could've seen this coming or you can learn how the internet works and what's going to happen and build your own AS and tunnels, for example, so it can't happen to you. It'll happen though. The internet is extremely fragile and power is concentrated at the top, they can just cut you off. CLOUDFLARE, the world's largest CDN, dropped Kiwi and you think im like abstractly dooming. Get a grip please.>Nice job outing yourself as a cuck btwYeah no problem. I work for $$$ not to virtue signal about how much I loved the free open internet in 2005. I do that in my free time.
>>43520384Frankly, if such matters were customarily negotiated through gay little dances in >>43520372's country, I would seriously consider migrating over there and learning to dance gay. Not knowing what to do is the gayest dance ever.
>>43520419They kind of are everywhere if you're carrying stuff no one wants to carry (tor and similar, doxxing sites, niche porn sites, forums that get a lof of abuse complaints).Your upstream expects you to kowtow and do your gayest little dance whenever THEY get the serious complaints and if they ever have anything to ask of you you dance harder. There's a reason most larger ISPs wont bother, it's not worth the hassle, especially if you're a physical ISP (as opposed to cloud, which is what hosts the majority of objectionable sites).I've done gay little dances all over, I'm a professional gay little dancer. Statistically in your country as well.
>>43519936>Expecting things to get betterThat's a good one, anon.
>>43520398>I work for $$$ not to virtue signalYeah, you have no spine, and it shows. You got the jab too, didn't you? Thankfully, there are people who ARE willing to fight for freedom on the internet out there, who don't bend to the slightest pressure. Because yeah, nobody is denying it's a battle, but your attitude of just doing what you're told without question is literally what's destroying the internet right now.Don't even know what law you're quoting nor do I care. Again, you're a doomposting bore, so it's pointless to argue with you.
>>43520391I'm almost 24 and I haven't changed since I finished primary school. Everything since high school has just been a constant kick in the groin for the things I liked.
In reality the Internet hasn't really changed all that much in 30 years, at least in what is allowed and what isn't. Of course the demographics have changed considerably, but let's be serious for a moment here, before 4chan there was hardly any place on the Internet where you could say Adolf Hitler had a point, you would get banned instantly from just about any forum. Posting porn is being made impossible? Uh, as far as I'm aware, you weren't able to post porn on your Geocities or Angelfire page either. The fact you could do so on Tumblr for a long time is, just like 4chan, actually the real anomaly here. Porn and the wrong opinions in normie spaces were, frankly, NEVER accepted, and it's high time we stopped kidding ourselves thinking it should be accepted everywhere, it just won't. And let's not even get started on weirdo stuff like loli or other niche fetish shit, it was never accepted, the only reason you managed to find people to share it with in public is because the normies hadn't caught wind of you yet.
>>43520397Kill yourself you parasite.
>>43520855Hi Strawbfag!
>>43520905Not that nigger, you're mindbroken.
>>43520521>I tell you what if it was me in that helpdesk I would've told Verizon what's whatThe "I would've punched that cop if he spoke to me that way" of the much maligned keyboard warrior.>There are people that fight for freedomYeah people that join thankless underpaid jobs on tor-and-porn cloud ISPs at 17 to keep the infrastructure running, not grandstanding virtue signaling faggots that always could or would or will, but never did or do.You dont bend under any pressure because you've never been even close to being asked anything except doing the dishes, posturing nigger. I bet you would've kept the jailbait bestiality site (dogs, not horses) up for 3 more days before upstream cut 80k sites off just to spite them for no reason, and deprived the internet of a libre as in libre beer resource because you're autistic and would rather throw a tantrum than compromise on any front lest you lose izzat.Or you wont because you're a retarded LARPer and 'freedom on the internet' for you is a nice sounding abstract you 'defend' campaigning on /mlp/ and using void linux. You'd fight the good fight for freedom to the death but you won't do a gay little dance for AT&T?>There's a law I can quote>ok hold on let me find it its coming>I dont care about that lawYeah we both knew.
>>43521056I stand by what I said, especially after this post. You have no backbone. You got the jab, that much is clear.
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