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I made my own personal site with ponies along with other stuff.

https://rakanhaddad.github.io/rakanhaddad/

>>43522326
>host a static site on github
>"via upload"
>somehow fuck it up and host shit in a directory instead of the root of the domain

>>43522735
Too many ponks, arghh!

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>>43522546
I tried

bump

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>>43522735
To have a prompt and >picrel.
Do you also have headphones autism? What are you using? Cans, iems, dac, amp? Do you just book a pony to sing to you live and give her brushies afterwards?
do you even stax?

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Current desktop for fall.

>>43522326
You have a nice cock.

>>43525520
Everypony point and laugh at this fucking AUTUMN LOVING FAGGOT

>>43525038
audiophoolery is bullshit, any difference above $100 hardware is all in your head

>>43525557
>any difference is all in your head
yes, that's where your eardrums are

>>43525520
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>>43522326
That is very autistic, good job!

>>43522326
you know what. i always thought it was a bit until the ice age posting, but i get it now.
pure autism is so soul full.
i hope you find a girl, anon! keep being you
even though fluttershy should be enough for you

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>>43522326
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVVVVVVVVVVVL!!!!!

>>43522326
You know what, Rakan? You're alright.

>>43525038
I'm a bit deaf so I can't tell the difference between any headphones

>>43527670
audiofag mare?

>>43522326
Are you the real Rakkan?

>>43525753
Kek nice one

>>43522326
>Click here if you're a girl
"Hello my future girlfriend" vibes

>>43528721
I wish i could be his girlfriend.
>t. 22 year old man

>>43528773
You know what they do with people like you in his country right?

>>43528803
i think he wants that, anon

>>43528803
Isn't Jordan the only somewhat liberal Arab country?

who here isnt running systemd?
came back to it from artix+openrc
it's literally fine, i was just on a long schizo bender with artix so now i feel like im using resources that could be saved every waking moment

>>43529214
Enjoy your identity verification

>>43529214
sysD has had problems on my machine, but it wasn't THAT major to make me switch to Devuan
>>43529219
yeah hope this 1984 nonsense doesn't make Devuan go-to option for free computing

>>43529214
System D is just so much more of a pain to work with in every way
I just use openRC on gentoo like a human being. I wish there was another option especially since gentoo never really recovered from when people tried to kill it with the X11 debacle, I'd love it if there was a distro that had a reasonable package list but also didn't have dependency hell, but there just doesn't seem to be one.

>>43529229
What about Slackware?

>>43529231
it's still on KDE 5, right?

>>43529214
Got a devuan machine, yeah. If you ask me I prefer not using systemd as this garbage has given me "service X is starting (unrestricted)" and just stalking boot because network manager or some other thing that definitely isn't needed for just booting up was throwing a tamper tantrum.
I prefer my init daemon to just start things and if they don't to not stall everything else for no reason.

>>43528889
Yes, they shoot you before throwing you off the rooftop.

>>43529229
>System D is just so much more of a pain to work with in every way
Name one thing that you had to do that isn't already a solved problem in systemd.

>>43528803
I said I WISH cuz I already know it's impossible.
I'm not a faggot btw, I trully am not.

>>43529293
I'd suggest that you should perhaps read posts before you quote and reply to them, but I guess the sysD has rotten your brain

>>43529283
>>43529293
>>43529404
the urge to wipe this build clean with artix rn is crazy

>>43528384
nah, that's just one member of the Cutie Mark Crusaders: Pirate radio operators

>>43530081
kekkles

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>use standard "bottom panel, upper browser tabs" configuration
>move the panel to the top to have both tabs and opened programs on the top
>switch to vertical tabs for browser because opening all unread /mlp/ threads takes too much space
>mfw my top panel now serves no purpose other than confuse visitors that see my desktop
should I move my Plasma panel to the left also?

Has anyone ever built a functioning computer into a pony plushie?
Remember the 2000s pc modding scene when everyone was building computers into the wildest cases/things?

>>43530756
If you count the sweetie bot, kinda? Maybe someone has an esp32 in one with sensors / soundbox hooked up to home assistant so your ploosh gets to greet you when youre home?
Else why would you gut a plushie to put a PC in there? That sounds bad, I couldn't bring myself to.

>>43522326
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTzxB09HLF0
Trying way too hard to be the next CWC, my man.

>>43531559
with how he was doing this shit /for years/ I'm not sure if he's a parody of CWC or a genuine remake of his persona

I USE WINDOWS 11 LTSC BECAUSE I NEED ADOBE

>>43532725
also bump

>>43532725
>Win11 LTSC
why not 10 LTSC IoT?

>>43532741
Not that filly but I have too many negative experiences with Windows 10. I never touched any consumer editions of 11 before going straight to LTSC, so aside from being ugly I don't have many grudges against it.

>>43532741
I heard that performance on pro apps and some games is better on 11 than on 10 (aside from ram usage.)

its kinda the best os for me right now since I don't have to worry about software cutting the support for 10

>>43532804
>its kinda the best os for me right now since I don't have to worry about software cutting the support for 10
I'm pretty sure even vidya with malware anticheats still runs well on 10

I think I'm gonna retire my thinkpad p52s to become a home theater media machine. The keyboard is basically busted, so it seems like the best option. Soon to join the network as kirinmedia01

>>43533404
I wonder if plasma big screen would work on that, that sounds comfy. Either that or you could maybe try to convince waydroid to do android TV? But I'm not sure that'd work

>>43533467
>waydroid
I have enough android with my phones, I don't feel the need to have it spill beyond that-

I hadn't heard of plasma big screen before though, on the account of me living under a rock, so I'll check that out! My initial plan was just to install debian with KDE and just wing it from there, transfering MPD duties from my pi 3 to the laptop.

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A pic from that one time i daily drived an orange pi pc with byobu+termux. I've played a little with chafa for image view but i ended up having to use the old mplayer framebuffer mode for both videos and images. I had the script saved on in my $HOME in the sdf.org pubnix but my user has been autodeleted since then. I also had this mpd radio setup i was mainly using for the mootxico radio. and used a lot of lightweight options for messengers, browsing the board etc. It was quite fun, actually.
0% productivity i was absolutely neetmaxxing

>>43533688
3,6gb microsd

>>43533688
Very nice, what's your current setup?

>>43532729

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>>43530718
Put panels on all sides :)

how much the performance difference between kernel 6.12 and 7.x?

planning on switch to debian

>>43535474
what CFLAGS bro?

>>43535482
NTA, but I suppose just doing a -march=native should be enough to marginally help (yes, really, -O3 can sometimes hinder performance and I didn't see anything meaningful kernel wise with -Ofast, same as PiE, graphite or anything like that)
In reality, the linux kernel is already pretty well optimized and the main source of slowness you'll see is user space taking time to complete actions, not the kernel.

>>43536029
That's the joke, asking about kernel performance is a dumb ricer question.

>>43536090
it completely flew over my head as it could have made sense considering that anon anon was asking about the debian kernel vs regular kernel. Debian does a lot of things so the kernel isn't bleeding edge and has ample hardware support (no x86-v3 or V4 so that could actually have had an impact on gaming)

>>43534951

Not much going on in this thread. Do we need to start a text editor war to get it bumped?
Pico best editor.

neovim is trash and just using vim with plugins disabled is the light and the way

You fools! Emacs is obviously superior! Especially for a young lad of 87 years of age like me!

>>43537265
>Pico best editor.
who even remembers pico? Isn't it a footnote in history of GNU Nano?

>>43529214
I have to use systemd on my work machine, and yeah it's fine I guess, I still don't want to use it personally though

>>43529229
What's happening with gentoo? I've only been using it for a couple of years and it doesn't feel dead to me. Other than not having a massive marketshare but that's anything that isn't arch, debian or RH based these days.

>>43530718
panels are bloat

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>>43537664
Gnome has two

>>43537661
It's not dead, people tried to kill it and didn't succeed.
But before the X11 debacle it was constantly growing and looked set to become the #1 competitor to debian and overtake arch.

>>43537683
What was the debacle? Was it people pushing wayland or what, gimme a QRD

>>43537683
>>43537688
NTA but wasn't it someone having a melty over Xlibre/X.org or whatever bullshit du jour?

>>43537688
One of the developers (slashbeast) pushed a bunch of garbage for X11 and disabled the way that most people used it and then vandalized the wiki to try to delete the ways around it. See his announcement here
https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2020-06-24-xorg-server-dropping-default-suid.html
He then proceeded to generally push mandatory systemd with a full environment as the only valid path on the forums and like half the threads from 2020-2022 where someone is trying to get something to run on a system that is too small for a full desktop environment have him trolling in them. I remember a thread where someone was trying to get something working, he showed up and said "you shouldn't do that just use Xorg and systemd", and when they told him that the thing they were setting it up on couldn't run that he said that the hardward shouldn't be supported. He was so obnoxious that he's one of the only people that was forcibly retired from the maintainer list, but the damage to gentoo's documentation and image was done and people never really cleaned his shit up so in order to figure out how to do a lot of basic setup you have to go to deleted pages on the wiki or random explanations on the gentoo forums where real gentoo developers explain how they (basically do things the same way everyone had been doing shit since like 2014 which which doesn't exist in documentation anymore).

When you install X11 on gentoo you'll get that announcement to this day.

To be clear most of the actual damage to the package list was fixed, but the wiki isn't the same and the installation guide is a lot worse today than it was before 2020.

>>43537683
>But before the X11 debacle it was constantly growing and looked set to become the #1 competitor to debian and overtake arch.
You're delusional. Gentoo has been an irrelevant meme since Arch came out (and allowed the same ricing potential with less work). Not to mention all the actual pro hackers switched genders to NixOS.

>>43537724
>the installation guide is a lot worse today than it was before 2020.
So it wasn't just me it DID change. Good thing I use it as guidelines more than anything to double check I didn't forget anything.

>>43537723
Oh yeah suid. The existence of elogind meant that it was at least separate from systemd for a while, though now I think they're just using the fucking upstream logind direct from systemd.
Unfortunate but I do kinda see the benefit of not running x11 as root. It's pick your poison here but yeah I see the issue with gentoo just straight up dropping support for suid if that's what happened. As a regular desktop user thankfully means that at least I don't care too much and didn't have to be involved in any of the more obscure usecases

>>43537734
>actual pro hackers
>NixOS
NixOS is the Arch of declarative distros. The "actual pro hackers" that would've used Gentoo are on Guix

>>43537812
>Unfortunate but I do kinda see the benefit of not running x11 as root.
You can still do that. The guide for how to do so is what Slashbeast deleted from it's page.
See: https://wiki.gentoo.org/index.php?title=Non_root_Xorg&action=history
and https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/User:Xxc3nsoredxx/Running_without_logind

>I do kinda see the benefit of not running x11 as root
I don't really. Not to derail too far away from pony but it's like the internet browser problem. Yes internet browsers are super insecure but they're also the program most likely to see your bank login. If somepony has access to your web browser but not the rest of your computer it's really not that much better. Sure it'll help if it's a server at work, but why are you running firefox on it in the first place then?
Same thing with X11. What are they going to do with root that they weren't going to be able to do with access to 99% of userland? Whatever sensitive thing you were going to do is probably on top of X anyway so if X windows can see each other then the fact that they're not root hardly matters.

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>>43537844
>Not to derail too far away from pony

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>>43537346
It's preinstalled on macOS systems. That's basically the only relevance it has.

>>43538455
>shipping a deprecated piece of software instead of its proper continuation
that's like using classic vi when vim and its variants exist

>>43537869
Kill yourself.

>>43538861
Blame corporate autism. macOS used to ship with Nano for ages and stopped updating it when it changed from being GPLv2 to GPLv3, until they eventually got rid of a lot of GPL stuff. No idea if anything remains, perhaps their chess program still uses sjeng.

>>43539149
>when it changed from being GPLv2 to GPLv3
why the hell would they be afraid of anti-TiVo clause in GPLv3? Macs are garbage, but I'm pretty sure they don't tivo terminal programs like nano

>>43539162
GPLv3 is bloat, simple as.

>>43539162
Probably because it gives legal work that can be easily avoided.

>>43539167
>GPLv3 is bloat, simple as.
some of its features are pretty good desu
LGPLv3 just being a giant "exception" on top of GPLv3 in an example of that

>>43539185
>avoid legal work by shipping abandonware that no one fucking uses
how ingenious

>>43539193
They're probably still shipping it because no one looked at that for the last century or so and since that was probably already discussed by legal then I think no one on the development team cares about old crust.

>>43539199
>because no one looked at that for the last century
I know that Mac users aren't really into tech, but surely NOT having standard text editor by default is a problem, right?

>>43539193
>we need a minimal fallback text editor in our system
>ok pick the one with the least operational overhead
Yeah totally irrational corporate stupidity.

>>43539204
literally no one knows about pico aside from nerds that read nano's history

>>43539203
You'd be surprised.

>>43539203
Not really, nobody uses the default preinstalled editor for anything more than single line config edits on a machine they've never used before.

On linux the default editor that is guaranteed to be installed anywhere is vi, which is no less crusty. Anyone who wants to do any actual text editing will at minimum check if vim is installed (which is the case only on some distros, so it's not the standard default) and/or just install their own favourite anyway.

>>43539231
>On linux the default editor that is guaranteed to be installed anywhere is vi
No, that's nano
if your system is bleeding-edge Arch build with no nano then there's no reason for to ssh into your system

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>>43539162
>I'm pretty sure they don't tivo terminal programs like nano
You gotta think in terms of possible future Innovations™ anon

>>43539207
IIRC nano is symlinked to pico so most people wouldn't notice

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>When you shutdown monitor connected over DisplayPort it will notify OS it has been unplugged causing everything to be re-aranged
What a great fucking desing
>The only other port this monitor has is VGA.
>all the HDMI->DP cables I ever bought died within a year
So back to the horizontal sliding bars I guess

>>43541025
Would you rather the windows stay on an invisible monitor and out of view?

>>43541050
unironically yes, every other video cable I use (VGA, DVI-D, HDMI) can differentiate between [Monitor Off] and [Monitor unplugged] except for display port which thinks it's the same thing.

I wonder if it's really that unusual for people who have multiple screens to shutdown some of them when they're not in use (I don't need all my screens just to watch youtube or write an email).

>>43541262
I think it's mostly unusual for people who shut down monitors to want to keep invisible windows on the nonexistent monitor that have to either be blindly dragged back or are inaccessible until you turn it back on.

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VLC bump

>>43542136
based vlc

EL BUMPERINO!

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>>43541269
>have to either be blindly dragged back or are inaccessible until you turn it back on.
I don't mean to sound condescending but do you use multiple monitors (more than 2) regularly? Because that just doesn't happen. Once you get used to your preferred layout you know where the windows are, you know when you can shutdown some monitor because you're not gonna need it for a while without even thinking about it.

Even then, when you decide you need some window from monitor that's currently off, I'm pretty sure even Windows has some keyboard shortcut to quickly move program windows over monitors

>nonexistent monitor
That's the thing, it's not non-existent it's still there, it's just turned off right now. When I unplug it, of course the OS should move windows so they are accessible.

and lastly:
>keep invisible windows
I don't think the use case is that weird. I do one thing, I get hungry and want to watch some show or videos while eating (or any other task switch). I don't need monitors with editor, terminal or compiled application turned on because I don't look at them anyways. so I shut them down and after I'm done I turn them back on with everything ready to resume work. It's like having multiple desktops on single monitor.

>>43543328
Interesting. When you describe it this way it makes sense.
Well anyway on linux you just set up a monitor with xrandr and you can make it not update regardless of the physical monitor, so you can do exactly what you're describing. Most people instead try to add or use scripts that auto-detect active monitors and force an update of the display geometry, but you can just not do that.
There may well be some janky freeware that does the same on windows and forces a virtual display area even if your monitor is off.

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finally got around to ricing my waybar.
artix + dinit + niri
shoutout to the anons who replied to me here, >>43529214
since i got the tablet version of the x230, i got this touchscreen setup going: https://youtu.be/eQJSEfhol9c
it works so fucking well, this is amazing for a scrollable window manager

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>>43544079
ooo, very pretty rice bump

>>43544377
It looks horrible, what the fuck is wrong with you?

>>43544079
>niri
Pretty funny the dev is a kirinfag

>>43544377
thx anon, this neofetch art is old i have a few more, me and some fastfetch anon
>>43544575
hell yea, it's like the cherry on top using this
>>43544546
you're right anon
>terri@softmare
i should have her colors as my theme, huh?

>>43544079
What's that TUI organiser

>>43544079
if ur talking about the terminal in the top right, that's calcurse
left neofetch, top right calcurse, bottom right bottom (btm)
just recently switched from btop and i love it, btop is a cuck and only runs on 2/3/fullscreen terminals

>>43544597
>>43544590
how tf did i reply to myself lul i admit im a little buzzed but that was an easy move i missed

Cool vibrations

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>>43543401
I didn't realize I can just tell xrandr to not do anything. When I was looking into it I just found some nvidia config hack that was supposed to make the driver ignore changes on specific port (and I couldn't get it to work). This could be much better.

However it's still pretty ugly hack and I will have to handle that specific monitor change separately because I still want it to work normally otherwise. I'm not as much mad as I'm disappointed because I wanted to go full display port on my next computer build (heh like if that's gonna happen now) as it's the "open" HDMI and has better specs in general. But this is just pathetic computers were able to tell difference between monitor that's off and one that's unplugged for decades

>>43546680
Have you checked the monitor's settings? There could be some power saving bullshit in there that causes this.

>>43547141
That was the first thing I did, unfortunately, this seems to be part of the display port standard:
https://linustechtips.com/topic/1402672-monitor-disconnects-from-displayport-when-going-into-power-save-mode/#findComment-15316542

I currently get around it by using Display port->VGA which works but the VGA picks up some noise on the way (even though it's supposed to be shielded, is extra thick and I try to lead it away from power cables) All the other monitors are DVI-D, HDMI or VGA and work as expected. The only reason I found out about this is that I finally bought myself Display port cable to upgrade the VGA.

finna install guix on this bihh

>>43549079
do it bro

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Given the recent changes to Dicksword (reintroducing government ID checks), do you think the board could use a FOSS chatting platform shill post? Like XMPP? I just want to see the board be rid of this plague and it'd feel like a waste to not capitalize on the brewing shitstorm.
I'm a bit hesitant about this as XMPP, whilst technically almost on feature parity with Dicksword, still have a few kinks that lazy anons will definitely use as an excuse to not make the switch, or worse, further double down on their headcanon that there's no viable alternatives.
>inb4 matrix
Mossad glowware.

>>43549980
The anons who don't like discord have been using other stuff for years and the anons who suck off discord's dick no matter what will continue to do so.
You're welcome to try to shill alternative shit as much as you want. Thing is it's not like there's any "official /mlp/ chat", different generals, groups, threads, etc. all have their own organisation and use whatever they prefer. I also know tons of anon who use discord as just a friend messager like a whatsapp for zoomers, with all the issues of network effect that everything else has.

Ultimately there's nothing else that I'm aware of that has exactly the same features as discord AND is simple to set up and use. Matrix is godawful compared to discord (on top of being gloware). Maybe XMPP is better though. But you also need some way to host it.
If you (or someone here) wants to host an /mlp/ XMPP server that everyone could use, in theory it's a plausible solution, in practice anons might not trust you and/or there will be drama and shit. Paradoxically, when discord does retarded people go "darn, corporations are gonna be stupid, what can you do" and stick around, but if an anon makes a moderation decision people disagree with everyone else will very quickly boycott your shit and leave.

I am also not certain how well a single XMPP server supports the "virtual server"-like groups that discord has, which would let people create their own sets of channels with their own independent moderation, channel/room management, etc. Matrix spaces are atrocious in comparison btw.

>>43549980
>Given the recent changes to Dicksword (reintroducing government ID checks), do you think the board could use a FOSS chatting platform shill post? Like XMPP?
As >>43550009 said people that are stuck on discord will just keep using it.
Best that can happen board wise is to keep discouraging using discord for anything that doesn't absolutely need private behind the scenes organization and keep pushing everyone to just make a damn thread on the board for it.

>>43550016
>keep discouraging using discord for anything that doesn't absolutely need private behind the scenes organization
Even that is unnecessary, you can use IRC or Matrix or XMPP or whatever the fuck for that. People just use discord because they're used to it and it's the default choice.
And in any project where at least a couple of anons need to coordinate, all it takes is a minority who insists on using discord because it's easiest and they refuse to budge, and a majority who is not too ideologically interested in having a fight, and the project will just move to discord by default even if there's also one or more anons who are opposed to it. I've seen it happen multiple times.

>>43550009
>The anons who don't like discord have been using other stuff for years and the anons who suck off discord's dick no matter what will continue to do so.
But this has to have crossed the line, right? Government ID verification? Will ANONS seriously put up with this shit? You won't be able to shitpost anymore. It's directly tied to your real identity and is all srsbsns now. So, in theory, if there's a silver bullet solution that anons can immediately and smoothly switch to, it should gain some momentum at the minimum. Any sane anon will ditch Dicksword. XMPP is almost there!... It's just that people will need to make some decision on how they want their group chats structured, each with their own compromises.
>Thing is it's not like there's any "official /mlp/ chat"
I am aware, it's not like there's a need for it; we have this board already. Like >>43550016 says, the board should always take precedence. Though I could imagine having a town hall chat room that's openly accessible might be fun, at least for a little while. It'd be like one giant town hall thread that doesn't archive with poster IDs (namefagging).
>I also know tons of anon who use discord as just a friend messager
This is more of what I'm targeting: anons using it as a way to maintain contact, simply because the other anon is already using it. As you know, this networking effect really scales and before you know it there's all these isolated bubbles, ultimately becoming private circlejerks due to the nature of Dicksword, draining activity from the board on top of fueling mass surveillance. I'm hoping the upcoming shitstorm will shake up the playing field, allowing XMPP to gain some momentum and let the networking effect do the rest.
>Matrix is godawful
Tbdesu I never tried it due to the glowware part, but good to hear; this eliminates it from the equation completely.

Cont.
>If you (or someone here) wants to host an /mlp/ XMPP server that everyone could use
Already done :)
One anon that I know hosts an XMPP server, and we've been using it as a group for a while now.
>I am also not certain how well a single XMPP server supports the "virtual server"-like groups that discord has, which would let people create their own sets of channels with their own independent moderation, channel/room management, etc.
Yeah, this is one of the missing pieces from XMPP. Technically one of the clients can do it, but it's clearly a quick stitch solution. There's channels within one chat room and group voice/video calls, but for some holy reason chat rooms setup this way is invite only, aka a circlejerk. A sensible work-around is to simply have multiple ordinary group chats (which can be configured to be public) addressed continuously, like art.mulp@server.org and text.mulp@server.org etc, but people might find this jarring.
>>43550027
>and the project will just move to discord by default even if there's also one or more anons who are opposed to it. I've seen it happen multiple times.
This shouldn't be a problem if there's enough momentum for the alternate platform, I'd think. It's happening now because the passive majority goes "literally who" on the alternate platform, and hence stick with what they're familiar with.

XMPP is too atomized with its standards, clients and servers
fucking worse than actually popular federated protocols

there are better options
t. haven't used Dicksword since... 2021?

>>43550470
>Yeah, this is one of the missing pieces from XMPP
I genuinely think this is one of the main missing pieces from every semi-mainstream "discord alternative".
The reality is that if you "create a discord server" (and Celestia how I hate that wording, considering it's not a server and doubtlessly contributed to the public consciousness just ignoring server ownership entirely since their discord """"server"""" is "theirs"), anyway, once you create your space on discord you get full control with centralised moderation, the ability to create arbitrary channels, multiple voice channels, permission controls between users, delegated moderation, etc. etc.
I participated in a discord server for an online gaming group once (being strongarmed by all the other players in my group being discordniggers and being annoyed at me being the only one not in the chat). They had their dedicated purpose-created space, they created channels for organising individual aspects of the game, there was a channel locked only to the decision-making members discussing secret strategies to protect against spies, etc.

Matrix spaces and these XMPP "grouped channels" and IRC channel groups all have one thing in common, and that's that they're completely independent and exist under the purview of the overall server administrator. The latter is also true on discord but only matters for ToS enforcement which people are used to on public platforms. But in a "just create several channels" bro situation, there's often no good way to point someone to "join the entire space" and automatically see all the channels; no centralised moderation; there's just no shared space that you can manage entirely and make your own.

Otherwise, discord is literally just IRC + voice and video + laughably mediocre file upload and embedding. Chat-wise, it's trivial to replicate; it's the UX of owning and managing your own space that's missing from every major alternative.

Oh, that and reliable screen sharing (that kids call "streaming" nowadays), somehow discord solved that while every other platform is still slow and laggy. That doesn't necessarily matter for the majority of chat servers; it's pretty commonly used for friends hanging out together and watching each others' games, but probably irrelevant for /mlp/ type servers.

>>43550523
>but probably irrelevant for /mlp/ type servers.
watch parties might we nice with that desu
>cytube!
desyncs, (Not Available In Your Country) and cuckbox blocking some IPs can get ugly at a larger scale

>>43550554 (me)
>larger scale
as in "a dozen"

>>43550554
Yeah watch parties are nice, but on discrod you have to have an account and join the dedicated "dicord server" first, so it's not really good for public parties.
Cytube is a different thing, cytube requires a source to embed, all it does is handle syncing. If it desyncs it's because it's imperfect, but most of the time it works pretty well. But cytube does not stream anything by itself.

The only time the usecases overlap is if you have a movie file and you stream yourself watching it over discord, but doing that crunches the quality since you're basically recording your video player and discord tries to ultracompress your bitrate to save on their own costs, so 99% of the time I'd rather take cytube anyway.

>>43550483
>there are better options
Shoot.

>>43550523
>and Celestia how I hate that wording, considering it's not a server and doubtlessly contributed to the public consciousness just ignoring server ownership entirely since their discord """"server"""" is "theirs"
Yeah it's evil genius type wording. That's why I refer to them for what they are: chat rooms.
>once you create your space on discord you get full control with centralised moderation, the ability to create arbitrary channels, multiple voice channels, permission controls between users, delegated moderation, etc. etc.
Is "moderation" and "permission control" really that important? Honestly I don't see the use case. It just seems like LARP. Just have one or two janny remove illegal stuff, I'm sure anons can handle themselves otherwise, like how the rest of the internet works. AFAIK Dicksword is the only platform with this strange moderation/roles obsession, everything else works just fine without it.
>there's often no good way to point someone to "join the entire space" and automatically see all the channels
I think the persistent, contiguous group chat address idea will work. Just make the list somewhere highly visible. Otherwise the channels within one chat room feature of that one client will work.
>screen sharing
Theoretically that's also supported, but none of us have tested it yet. Low expectation on the reliability, as you said, especially once it scales to lots of participants.

>>43550577
>Shoot.
ehhh telegram signal email 4chan?
idk I don't have many friends

>>43550579
>telegram
glows
>signal
glows
>email
not viable.
>4chan?
not suitable for maintaining contact with friends, aka the main use case of chatting platforms.

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>it's another "autistic freetards don't understand that people may have different use cases than them and that software is not picked purely on technical merits" episode

>>43550577
>chat rooms
A chatroom is often a single chat, the point is to group multiple chats. So I say "space" I guess, which is also the Matrix terminology. There's mutliple rooms or channels within a space.

>Is "moderation" and "permission control" really that important?
Depends what you need. If it's literally just a hangout for you and three friends to shoot the shit and play vidya together, yeah, irrelevant. But for anything else, basic moderation tools are indeed very useful.
I'm not even talking about roles obssession and restricted channels or whatever, but just for example the ability to have one or a few people that have the permission to create new channels/rooms inside the space, or to invite other people. IRC had roles too, you had voice, channel ops, server ops, admins, you had invite-only and invite perms, etc. None of the discord LGTBBQ autism but enough for basic moderation actions - though of course IRC has no concept of a "space" either so it's still per-channel. Unless you host your own IRC server and treat that as your entire space, which I've done in the past and it's not hard actually, unfortunately zoomers are allergic to /nickserv syntax.

Like shit say you host a minecraft server and it's got three chat channels for different purposes and some guy joins and starts spamming goatse. On discord you just ban him from the space and you're done with it, on matrix or XMPP you have to ban him three times. And if tomorrow you add a forth channel you either gotta manually sync the ban list or he can come right back and start spamming again.
It's not the end of the world but it's kinda the equivalent of having to fuck about in the terminal to fix your xorg configs because something broke, vs. simply booting your computer in windows or macos. And I use linux day to day btw, but for some things I just want to open the program and have it work rather than having to micromanage cross-channel permissions.

>Otherwise the channels within one chat room feature of that one client will work.
Most of what I describe could absolutely be done client-side. Including even automatically syncing moderation across related channels, even if it requires the client to silently repeat the same action on the server because the server treats them as completely independent. But the client has to be built damn well then and not just vaguely try to paper over it, and also everyone is then forced to use that client.
And one thing which I think a client can't enforce is room creation permissions within the space. Either anyone can create a *.mulp@server.org room and then it's chaos as everyone spams room out of control; or the server needs explicit support for managing the "mulp" namespace and having one user and potentially a few other admins.

>>43550579
>"there are many options!"
>ok name them
>"uhh idk I have no friends"
Telegram and signal and the like (whatsapp etc. too) are built on the model of being normie phone messaging replacements. They are even worse at supporting group chats than XMPP or even IRC, they often require phone numbers to sign up and then use your phone number as your username/contact, the desktop clients are usually an afterthought and they have even worse chatroom or space grouping support than fuckign matrix.
>email
Not a chat platform. Don't get me wrong I love email, and people used mailing lists for decades to great effect, but it's nowhere near what's needed for a discord replacement.

>>43550599
The point is that discord's technical merits are real and I don't know of any platform which actually matches them.
People's "use case" is 99% of the time "it's what my friends use", aka the network effect. This is well known and understood. The problem is that discord sucks from a privacy standpoint, so it'd be good to not have every community or chatroom ever hosted on it.
But the entire problem with THAT is that there is nothing else that can match discord on the technical level, and therefore it's generally nearly impossible to get normies to leave because every alternative you suggest ends up being worse or more annoying in some way.

>>43550613
>the desktop clients are usually an afterthought
telegram-desktop is alrighjt

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>>43549980
I had a longer post but I'll put my opinions this way, please believe me I have no ill will towards (You) or any anons here. If you need my resume, I use native Matrix + Discord/Telegram/IRC bridged, Signal directly, a bit of IRC at times.
>full-time "official" IM place for /mlp/ will likely be net negative for poniponi
>temporary IM places set up for some projects say, marecon might be net benefit for poniponi, so I would timidly confine inner reeees deeply
>whatever tools anons converge for those IM places will be reflected by what tools they're already familiar with
>introducing new (to general populace of ponyfags) tools would have to bring near 0 downsides compared to current tools, solve problems they have with current tools, and take good care of network effect
>people are accustomed to relatively high quality, availability and globality of tools which are provided free of cost due to VCs or dirty business practices; you're a relative poorfag who needs to compete, so I'd avoid forcing separate tools until they're ready
>Matrix while a shitshow in UX wouldn't say XMPP is much better at least has a culture of bridging all platforms possible, this has downsides but is a good way to overcome the network effect problem

Perhaps offering reliable XMPP and Matrix, if I may shill humbly bridging services for board projects which settled on Discord would be a good idea? Use your autism to fix the inevitable yet foreseeable tech/federation issues and you'll have anons from open platforms and walled gardens participating together. A small step for ponyfags, but big step for poni.

up we go linux frens

>>43551563
speak for yourself

fucking hell i feel like my battery has been killing itself everytime it runs
im just running waybar and scripts and it feels like dank material shell handled the battery better

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Had a poke around Matrix. The UX seems fine to me desu. If Matrix's UX is terrible, then the XMPP hack I mentioned earlier is just bait. So yeah, if people are expecting the same Dicksword chat room quality, XMPP isn't going to cut it at all - still perfectly fine for small group chats though. Otherwise, the only FOSS alternative that looks promising is Fluxer. It looks like a direct Dicksword clone, but it's still very new, released on January of this year. I think it'd be worth playing around with once someone gets a self hosted server running, otherwise some features are paywalled on the official server. There's no E2EE yet, but that doesn't make sense for a public chat room in the first place.

One really promising planned feature of Fluxer is mirroring chats onto the internet, indexable by search engines, like a forum. This should have been the default behavior for any public community/project group chats in the first place, another major evil of Dicksword, so that's really good to see.

So yeah, I agree with everything mentioned in >>43550916, minus the bridging part; to me this just seems like yet another excuse for anons to stick with Dicksword. If the goal is to let anons familiarize themselves with the alternate options, a much better strategy would be what >>>/g/109934204 said.

Also found pic related while on the hunt :)

>>43552696
>Otherwise, the only FOSS alternative that looks promising is Fluxer. It looks like a direct Dicksword clone, but it's still very new, released on January of this year.
You know it's funny I keep hearing about "FOSS discord clones" every now and then and they are almost always immediately forgotten.
Trying to think really hard, I remember Rocket Chat, Guild-something, uhh and I know there were probably at least a couple more. It seems like nobody uses them, people only know of Matrix, XMPP and IRC as alternatives.

>There's no E2EE yet, but that doesn't make sense for a public chat room in the first place.
I used to think that way too, but honestly I think there is some benefit when the servers are hosted by some third party. It raises the barrier to snooping from "just read the databases on the server" to "individually join every chatroom anyone has created on your server". Possible, but is very likely to get noticed especially if done in a systematic or automated manner, especially in smaller rooms where mostly everyone knows everyone over time.
So it adds, not so much hard security, but a certain layer of trust against the server host.
And it's also possible to configure such that older messages can't be decrypted when you join (Matrix does that, I expect any good E2EE implementation should be able to nowadays) so you can even be certain that if the host or anyone else joins your chat in the future the past conversations will still remain private.

Anyway that's neither here nor there.

>>43552696
gosh that ui looks so comfy. how old is that?
and what is that, kek

>>43553681
https://tox.chat/clients.html
Looks like the client looked that way since its inception in 2014

>>43552771
>raises the barrier to snooping
Why are you even worried about this? You got something to hide?

>>43552696
>The UX seems fine to me desu.
Just basic message sending is perfectly fine yeah, it's hard to get that wrong, nowadays even IRC has good UX if you use a client/webclient with a login form and a clickable channel list.

I've used matrix for a while in the past, I've organised a "community" on it (for a game with anons), and I've helped run a server. There was just tons of annoying stuff.
>every client is electronbloat
True for a lot of messaging services, but Element is actually fucking bloated, and being the official client is usually the only one that is up to date with actual features. The only other up to date ones are usually ones that are built on top of the Element codebase and so are doublebloat.
>VOIP sucks
Also common for most things that aren't discord, but voice and video/screensharing is unreliable, Jistsi is cumbersomly integrated and video transmission is terribly unsmooth.
>Lack of a "community" feature grouping channels together
I already talked about this above, but basically if you want to have one chat for same general game chat and one for organisation notes or one for specific events or whatever you have to create independent rooms and then every new user has to join each room manually. If you're kicking someone you have to kick or ban them from each room manually. If you have in-game jannies that you want to make chat jannies you have to mod them in each channel manually.

These are issues with many protocols (including XMPP minus the electronbloat issue), but there were also three MAJOR issues with Matrix specifically:
>e2ee key exchange autism sucks BALLS
"Message could not be decrypted" happens ALL the fucking time in encrypted group chats. I think they have improved this over time, I remember some news about this recently and it might have been more frequent 1-2 years ago than now, I admit I haven't used matrix so much in the past few months to a year. But it basically made encrypted groups near unusable because at any point someone might just be randomly unable to read someone else's messages with no clear fix whatsoever.
The solution is not to enable encryption on group chats but IIRC you can't disable it once it's enabled, and it's not like there's any sort of warning that says "btw this will randomly brick users in your chat so don't do that :)" when you select the option. So I've seen lots of people enable it on their channels because encryption good right?, and deeply regret it.
>the server sucks balls
Synapse is extremely bloated python shit and is fucking SLOW, hogs resources like a MOTHERFUCKER, and running it is just so much more of a ballache than running a chat server should ever be.
They had a Go reimplementation called Dendrite. They fucking killed it and are now selling it as "Element Pro"; the open source codebase is in maintenance mode and doesn't get updated with any new features. So the only FOSS way to run Matrix is with the flaming piece of garbage that is Synapse.
(cont.)

>>43554475
>federation sucks balls
This is somewhat related to the server sucking balls, because what happens is if you federate with some "large" servers (such as the matrix.org official one), your server will randomly end up peering some massive rooms with 50k users and it fucking DIES. I'm pretty sure matrix.org almost definitely runs their own Pro server to handle that, but as mentioned above this is now a proprietary offering.
So then you have to defederate from some servers and you end up with a fractioned network. Users told to "just use matrix" register on matrix.org because it's the default one when they search for matrix/element, and then they can't join your server.
I also don't know if it's my skill issue but I've also seen constant issues with room federation even among servers that were supposedly not blocked, and people seeing different "views" of rooms with messages missing or the room just being completely empty for them.
I also don't remember for sure because it's been a while, but IIRC by default your server mirrors ALL media from all rooms it federates. Which means you're gonna end up storing dozens of gigabytes of random media and images from rooms that some user from your server happened to join somewhere else. This also ties into the server again sucking balls and being heavy as shit, but this problem is specifically around federation.

I've used multiple servers whose message delivery took multiple seconds just because Synapse was falling over or they were ran by some small guy who didn't realise what was happening and was bottlenecked the entire server on federating and catching up to some unrelated room from a completely different community that gets 1000 messages/minute. Or sometimes it's not even clear WHAT the issue is, other that "synapse is slow as shit and my messages are taking multiple seconds to be delivered".

Overall, the tl;dr is that matrix is enormous, heavily bloated, extremely heavy, difficult to run correctly, and they made a FIXED server and made it proprietary only and killed the old open source implementation so you're stuck with the Python monolith.

This leads to users constantly complaining
>I can't see this guy's messages, says "unable to decrypt!"
>I just don't see any messages at all from today, I thought the room was dead today
>why are my messages taking 20 seconds to send, I can't participate in conversations at all
>oh I wasn't in that channel, I didn't realise we had multiple!
>spammer joined a channel and got kicked then shat up another channel, mods forgot to ban him from there too so now the channel is a mess
>matrix is being unbearably slow!
>I can't see the encrypted messages!
>I can't see any messages from user X, I'm only seeing half a conversation!

I don't know if it was a skill issue on my part but I've just never had a good experience on Matrix, whether running a server or using it on other people's servers.

Where can I buy Google accounts using crypto or something like that? I need one so I can use Colab for image generation.

Obviously searching for it with Google won't give me any results, so I'm asking here.