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PISSFILLY SURGE

>>43544247


Ded thread >>43504872

>>43543894
Not terribly expensive. Around $150 a year for 100 orders a year. Then it's priced per order until we reach a higher order volume. So there is some expense there, but the real expense has been the time and frustration this has caused Wolvan and I.. It's taken quite a few nights of research, talking with companies, and reengineering our workflow to service the EU and UK markets specifically. We'll reevaluate the EU& UK pricing in future runs, but this has been a logistical challenge we're only now starting to see clarity on. Hope it does end up cheaper for most of you Euros. Once we've got the pipeline in place it should be less painful in the future. Just a bit more costly and time consuming.

>>43543608
I was unaware of this. I'm doing research. The initial AI reports are very grim for this project in the EU. This may actually sink the EU distribution all together or make the plushies significantly more expensive for you all. I'm getting the feeling your countries really do not want any form of trade at all.

>>43543608
This is actually rather fucked. This is the cheapest service I've found for doing EPR throughout the EU. https://pakkausvastuu.fi/en/#packages

It's fucking grim. I wasn't even fucking aware of this, and it's blind siding me. The regulations went in on August 16th of this year. I don't know what to tell you Euros. Are you willing to pay hundreds of dollars for your fillies because your countries are even more retarded than I thought possible? The UK, Netherlands, Czechia, Ireland, and maybe Italy are still salvagable because they don't require reporting or a local representative if I ship under a certain threshold. The rest of the EU looks cooked, like actually hundreds of euros per country per year cooked. I'll do some more research into this, but I suggest others do the same. For now assume that if you're in the EU and not in one of the few countries I listed that you probably won't be able to get a plushie. Your governments, in their infinite quest to "save the planet" and squish small business, has squashed us out of most of your market for now.

Thank you Anon for bringing this up, and sorry I hadn't researched it sooner. I was too distracted with the color debacle, IOSS compliance and life on top of it I thought we'd figured it all out. Man this is a pretty fucking sad bureaucratic landmine. EPR... Extended Producer Responsibility. Because I will be importing a few grams to a few kilos of trash into your countries I must often register individually, track the full packaging material weight, report it, pay for it, and quite frequently have a designated "authorized representative" in that particular country. All this to help your waste stream or something. I'm sorry Euro's, but you really did earn the name Eurocucks for a reason. I don't think we can economically sell to you.

In the coming days I will work out the best solution I can for the Euros. Truly this has blindsided me. I am going to do research on this subject and see if anything is salvageable for the EU market. This isn't trolling, and this isn't funny.

>>43544247
>90+% of anons voted for greenfilly
>go with pissfilly instead for slightly nicer feel
I am surrounded by imbeciles.

>>43544358
If worst case come to pass. Is it possible to look if any reshippers is willing to do reshipping so buyers technically are sending it to themselves from a non cucked country? Also please before cancelling orders give affected buyers the option to change shipping address (in case they have friends living in non EU countries).

>>43544358
Dumb question: how much would it cost to cover the EU taxes?

>>43544358
I don't suppose this is something that can be covered by the chinese distributor? If they're the ones producing, packaging and shipping the fillies, wouldn't they need to be the ones registered? Have you talked to Symbiote about it at all? How do they handle it?
This is indeed grim, and I am going to go seethe. Thank you for your time sir.

inb4 anons smuggling truckloads of pissfilly plushies into Europe to avoid EU laws and taxes

>>43543608
>I fucking hate the EU
Just get out. Its crazy how full of hope the future seems as soon as you leave that hellhole.

>>43544339
>sorry I hadn't researched it sooner
Yeah how dare you not anticipate the EU being retarded once again kek. I mean how would one even anticipate something like this. That would be like thinking the EU would basically outlaw having a bank account outside the EU. ah shiet wait CRD VI comes into effect january 11th and does just that

>>43544287
>I'm getting the feeling your countries really do not want any form of trade at all.
Sadly... Politicians got bribed by big players (closest comparison is amazon) who have no trouble paying that ~50k to be able to sell goods in the whole EU market. Most smaller retailers already stopped fulfilling orders if its to another EU country.
Others just ignore it for now.

Oh also by the time the (and assuming) the fillies get shipped there will be yet another 2 euro tax on each package coming from outside of the EU. Starting in November if I recall correctly. So 3 euro tax / line of invoice AND 2 euro per package. Plus VAT.

UK is not EU :)

>>43544376
If you do it by yourself completely then ~1500 euro per target country + unknown amount per package.

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>>43544358
According to what I've read, since you're in the US, liability won't fall on you but rather the importer based in the EU. I'm not sure who that is since the fillies are going straight to our addresses through the postal system. Actually, I guess that means the postal system will be liable? Which means they'd probably just block the fillies.
Although, I've also read that a warning has to be issued first when non-compliance is detected, before any blocking/seizing/etc can occur which may allow a single round of fillies to get through the system. After that you'd be out of luck, but it might allow the euro anons who ordered to still get their fillies, even if they get barred from the next plush run.
Additionally it seems that thousands of small businesses are in uproar and petitioning for changes to make the registration expenses less abysmal, but there's no telling how long that will take. Ideally you complete this run and by the time the next run is going the fees might be low enough to include eurobros again.
Please double check all of this yourself. Going ahead and shipping the EU fillies anyway might be risky since there's no telling if anons will actually get them, but it might be worth a shot and I quote:
>Authorities are told to avoid a "sanction-oriented approach"
See picrel, it may be that this means the fillies get held until you comply, or that they let them through but require full compliance before they allow any further imports after that. Apparently this warning approach comes from an FAQ provided by the European Commission.
Source: https://www.ppwrconsulting.com/blog/ppwr-faq-update-august-2026/

This pissfilly decision is fucking RIGGED

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>>43544571
>According to what I've read, since you're in the US, liability won't fall on you but rather the importer based in the EU
If he is an outside-eu seller he is the importer/manufacturer of the goods.
>Additionally it seems that thousands of small businesses are in uproar and petitioning for changes to make the registration expenses less abysmal
Yeah since almost a year. No chances yet except one EU official that didn't even want to get named saying "uh just ignore the law please."

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>>43544588
Yeah enough talk about eurocucks, the piss color choice really infuriates me. Can any anon that was at Marefair confirm with us that it's really that yellow inperson? Because I would rather go full on radioactive green with these little shits instead.

>>have a horrible past few months
>>finally come back here
>>the color was made worse

Why

>>43544247
I want to adopt a filly. Can't wait until I can try and get one. Can I sponsor poorfags during adoption too?

I have a question about pissfilly. As I understand it, the reason the poll was between "prototype 1 fabric" and "prototype 2 fabric" is because anons had seen the pictures and so it was easier for everyone to judge.

So now we know prototype 1 fabric is actually shit. Why not then go back to the drawing board and actually use the correct pantone color that was intended all along then? Or get them to use proper 1.5mm fabric in the color we want? I kept hearing that symbiote is able to match pantone and/or makes custom colors for us.
Like the entire color certification process seems to imply custom dyed fabrics, no?

>>43544247
When cum dries it turns yellow. This color is far superior for hiding those stains

So... since it's been decided to make her the Piss Filly, should we piss on our fillies when we get them to complete the Piss Filly ritual?

>>43544781
I already pissed on them in the factory, that's why they look like that. Feel free to pee on them but it's pretty gay of you to make our piss touch like that.

>>43544781
thats the plan. I bought enough of them anyway.

>>43544488
You know you can just start killing them, right?

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>>43544625
>If he is an outside-eu seller he is the importer/manufacturer of the goods
Reading through the official FAQ I found this definition in picrel which suggests that if the packaging is generic, ie not designed or specified by OP, then it is the guys in Shenzen who are the legal manufacturers of the packaging. The filly itself comes with no 'product' packaging as far as I am aware, only the transport packaging.
I'm not sure what this means for OP. If it moves the responsibility of compliance then there's still the possibility of them just refusing to ship to the EU if they don't already have registrations.
It would be nice if we had a lawyer anon around, we really fucking need one right about now.

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>picrel
Who the heck wrote this?
My understanding is that although it is the manufacturer's legal responsibility, the importer (OP) is obligated to ensure that they do not allow the manufacturer to place packaging on the market that violates the regulations. Or that everyone involved is equally liable regardless of whose job it is to provide compliance. That's what makes the most sense anyway.
Anyway that's the best I can do. Now I'm just gonna go ahead and pray for pony plush salvation.

>>43544361
soft filly is more important than filly color
also its funny

>>43544247
>piss color
Honestly glad I didn't order one this time around. The dark green looked so much better

>piss filly
I hate it. And I assume 99% of Anon's don't cuddle with the filly. I for sure don't. She is sitting on the shelf if she is not doing something mischievous.

>>43544790
Filly piss jar?

Not enough effort is going towards the majority decision for the color of the filly because the project lead is biased to the pissfilly color.

I think we should poll again and see if anons want to go for the pissfilly, or a slightly more radioactive green. It makes more sense then reverting to a decision that the majority of anons do not enjoy. This could reduce the likelihood of anons canceling their order just because they don't like the way it looks, leaving the project creator with an overstock.

>>43545189
what if anon fillies are just born yellow and as they grow up they turn green

>>43545189
He already said there was no time to do another poll. and when people complained about the color issue a few threads ago he just called them faggots if they said they wouldn't pay so I don't think it'll matter much

>>43544739
>Why not then go back to the drawing board and actually use the correct pantone color that was intended all along then?
Because the Chinese twist our arms and demand us to make a choice right now.
If this run succeeds we absolutely MUST have the full specification and samples from them in advance.
>I kept hearing that symbiote is able to match pantone and/or makes custom colors for us.
They lied.

>>43545189
>radioactive green
Fuck off. Not what I ordered at all.

>>43544247
>Piss
God exists and he loves us, get fucked all the non-piss believers
>EU
Nevermind God is an asshole.

>>43545238
>Because the Chinese twist our arms and demand us to make a choice right now.
But Symbiote is an american company.

Anyway I don't know if I'm the only one in this, but these projects take months and months and months to complete anyway. I really don't have an issue if it's delayed a bit while they sort out their fabrics, rather than rushing to take a decision immediately.

>>43545213
>He already said there was no time to do another poll.
There is infinite time, he wants to rush for some inexplicable reason.

>>43545303
>some inexplicable reason
Like having them produced and shipped before Christmas?

>>43545309
It's a single one-off run that might never be repeated, and which takes like 9 months to run from start to finish.
IMO it's a bit more important to make sure it comes out well than to rush it out. There's Christmas every year, there won't be new anonfilly runs every year let alone possibly ever, or at least for several more years and probably not the same design either.

>>43545309
Tbqh I don't care about Christmas at all.

>>43544247
I measured a bunch of my symbiotes and a lot of them dont even use 1.5 mm minky and they feel just fine and I cuddle them all. You held the prototypes and hand them and never said shit about the feel so give us what we decided on or you are going to have a shit ton of canceled orders and be on the hook for all that money. You cant just drag out this stupid color shit for a month then go "lol nvm guys" I am never supporting this shit again.

>>43544247
>bro just work with symbiote to pick the best color, you have the swatches we just have photos on poorly color graded monitors
>"noo here have a week long poll"
>ok fine
>"nvm we're ignoring the poll's 98% result and going with the option nobody voted for because I say so. also we don't have time for any discussion anymore I'm doing this right now. also we're invoicing you 20% extra."
Nigger, this is the worst run /mppp/ ever. Which is a fucking tragedy because the symbiote design is actually good and was looking to be better than oly's chinesium.

I like the pisscoat meme and I think it will make the fillies extra special

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>>43545465
Her powers will know no limits

>>43544247
i actually don't mind pissfilly i think it's still a cute colour on her, but it isn't what i and the majority of other anons voted for so i'm a bit annoyed

I still think we should push back on Symbiote to fix their fabrics. They promised a Pantone match, unless they physically are 100% incapable of doing better and will just not manufacture anything if we don't approve one of these options, it's worth negotiating more with them to get them off their asses and actually put some effort it.

so about ordercancelling, is that even possible? I'd hate to get called a faggot if I don't want the dozen+ plushies I've signed up for, just to get bait and switched to a piece of shit omorashi OC that costs more money.

>>43545545
Not the organiser but the previous announcements did say you can cancel if you don't like the changes.
And anyway also you can always just not pay the invoice and nobody can force you to, an explicit "cancellation" is only truly necessary for the 20+ orders that have already paid.

>>43545484
All the fillies I've watched pee out from under their tail, not forward...

>>43545547
understood that of course. on one hoof I don't want to be a cancelfag, on the other hoof it's pretty shitty that OP is expecting payment for a shit-tier product that like two people on the board want.

>>43545554
>a cancelfag
OP is not owed your money especially when the product is changed post-order like this in this way, even after explicitly taking a week to ask everyone and absolutely sure everyone hates that option. (And now suddenly there's no more time and it's a rush decision.)

Normally excessive cancellations might be difficult to deal with for the project, but also normally there's no reason for "excessive cancellations" and any individual anon cancelling due to personal preference is never really an issue. If the projects ends up being so mismanaged that a significant portion of anons individually all decide to cancel, and it creates issues for the order, that is very much the problem of the project and not that of any of the individual anons like you, IMO.

>>43545554
it'd be a pretty funny thing to watch fags that haven't checked thread since putting in their order get caught completely blindsided when they get an /mlpol/ esque colored yellow anonfilly instead kek

>>43545552
It's a boy filly.

I think the whole piss thing is waaaay overblown desu. Yeah, she looks slightly more yellow when put right next to and directly compared against the other fillies, but on her own, I think she looks cute and is still recognizably Anonfilly.

>>43545601
We need the guy who bought filly prototype 2 and 3 to post more pictures of them in various types of lighting

>>43544247
>>43545601
I'm not a fan, and I'm also irritated that it came to a >90% vote, especially after so long, and he still decided completely on his own to change the color. If you're going to give us control over something, stick with it. Hold a 2 day poll to see if anyone gives a shit about a .5mm difference in pile length. If the color wasn't your call, that isn't either.

>>43544339
>>43544358
You are probably not the producer and are a "smallest enterprise" which means more exceptions, maybe naming a representative is required.
Possibly all you have to do is ask Symbiote if they're compliant and since they ship to the EU they obviously will have had to handle this.

>>43545601
Anon, you are missing the point. Both colors look good. But 98% of Anons voted for the green color. What was the point of voting if the results just get ignored?

>>43545709
Not just voting, but then announcing the change as immediate because apparently the project is now in a hurry for some reason.

>>43545564
The voting for color change was after the orders closing. Anons are still getting the original product that they ordered.

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>>43545316
Agreed, I'm willing to wait a few more months if it means getting the right color. As someone who ordered 10+ , I always thought the 2 color options wasn't green enough and the greener option just barely did it for me.

>>43545741
He’s an offboarder trying to kill the project so he wouldn’t know

>>43545309
This >>43545316 and this >>43545751
I ordered 10 specifically so I can give them out for Secret Santa in the years to come. Which means I already plan to give them out for later Christmases. In that context, having them for this one specific Christmas is not very important.

Since every faggot is throwing their opinions out now, I'll throw mine in too. I think the color looks good, I don't want to wait, and I want what I ordered.

>>43545646
This. OP needs to ask Symbiote before jumping to conclusions.

Okay, so what is the pile length of the regular Symbiote plushies? Are they 1mm or 1.5mm?

I really wish I had examined the prototype fillies more closely when I was holding them at MF... though I didn't really notice a difference in feel when I was holding all three.

It's probably better to go with the color a majority decided on, rather than a slight difference in feel. Especially considering there was the poll, and it was a 98% decision.

I'll probably be happy just to finally have my Anon Filly plushies, but it will certainly be relieved better if it's the option that most everyone decided on in the poll

>>43545757
>muh offboarders
NTA, but God, you faggots are insufferable. Blow it out your ass. Blow whatever quippy reply you've got out your ass, too.

>>43545741
The vote was held to have anons decide color. If OP had intended to simply make the decision himself, he shouldn't have held a vote to begin with.

Hmm... Piss Filly... Pilly...

>>43545945
>98%
Why do you keep using the same incorrect percentage? It reeks of samefaggotry in here.

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She looks completely fine. Christ, you faggots will cause drama over literally anything.

>>43545964
Anons already ordered the pissfilly when that was all they could get. Only after was the color change even suggested. I agree that the organizer holding a vote to just ignore it is fucked up. They should've figured things out BEFORE doing anything. Flip flopping like this is not conductive.

>>43545978
stop being antisemitic

>>43546002
The organizer didn't even notice the color was wrong until after. The ads made by other anons "color corrected the lighting" and made her more green than she actually was. The anons trying to argue that those who placed orders actually wanted the piss filly and aren't allowed to make changes after are retarded

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I don't necessarily hate the color itself. I just really hate the way this has been handled.

First of all don't do a poll on the colors when multiple anons correctly pointed out photographs are a bad way to judge fabric samples.
But once you've done the poll, don't just fucking come back and ignore the 157 to 13 result, picking the option with 13 votes.
Now if it turns out that option is actually materially superior, then at MINIMUM open a discussion in the thread. If you already had a poll, then do another one to overturn it, or if that's too much trouble, at least give anons a few days to respond in the thread. Chances are a lot of people, if not even most of them, would've said "yeah if you've held the fabrics and this one is clearly better that's fine, go ahead with your judgement". Don't just announce that the decision has been already taken behind closed doors without ever updating the thread about it, because you're rushing to meet some arbitrary self-imposed deadline that hadn't stopped you from launching multiple-day-long polls before.

Just don't do any of these stupid steps and it'd probably all have been fine, but no OP had to do everything in the most aggravating way possible.
And this at the same time as announcing a tax hike for a quarter of all anons, and refusing to bill it separately resulting in a double tax hike (granted this isn't as bad as the color fuckup because for at least some anons it's at least cheaper to collect from the post office as a result).

Oh and also was there ever any update that actually said "sorry Symbiote actually can't do Pantones, we have to choose from these swatches they gave us"? Because I followed most of the discussion last thread and missed it if so. Maybe I'm retarded though. But the impression I've had up till now is that the poll was between the existing prototypes mostly because it's what people had already seen photos of and so could vote semi-reliably on rather than asking for some arbitrary green. The fact that it turns out they can't dye fabrics for shit and we have to choose from their local chinesium catalog came as news to me right now.

tl;dr is just a massive failure in communication.
Which can still be fixed by OP coming back and actually gathering some feedback on the color, and also explaining more clearly why the fuck we can't have Pantone (unless I've missed that explanation). Rather than just going radio silent and letting everyone assume he had already approved production at Symbiote before even updating in the thread.

Gonna have to throw a +1 on the discontent over the color change, I think you would have been much better off going for a darker green instead. Dont want to be a cancelbro but I might consider reducing the number of preorders...

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I've been staring at this image for a while and maybe there's just something wrong with prototype 1 but 2 and 3 are shaped so much nicer. the legs are thicker, the snout is more nicely shaped, I'm aware the stanky leg was a specific problem on filly 1 so I won't point that one out, but it looks like filly 1's fabric is inferior in more than just fluff length.

>>43544652
I ate spaghetti with the piss fillies and the thought "wow they look yellow" never entered my mind, I just thought "Oh wow they're smaller than I thought, very cute, glad I ordered a couple"

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>>43546107
she just kinda looks like someone pinched her whole face

>>43546107
Yes, IIRC the shape did change. That's why there were multiple prototypes. The different color fabric is just a side-effect, the main purpose of prototyping was to nail down the shape and pattern. (That's why they used random color samples for the prototypes, and we were led to believe they'd pick the "real" color afterwards as they were just refining the pattern and using whatever vaguely similar fabric they had on hand, but apparently now those colors are actually the only colors they can use or something? I'm still not clear on that.)

>>43546064
Only actual offboarders who don't use adblock saw the ads. Everyone who was actually here during the prototyping stages has known what color she was going to be since May, and there was near-universal acclaim for prototypes 2 and 3 until OP started forcing the pisscoat meme.

>>43546076
Agreed. The communication throughout this has been absolutely shit, unfortunately. His heart is in the right place, but god damn, what a mess this has turned into.

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>>43545978
Sorry, 92.35%
I just remembered it being over 90 and went with what the other Anon said.
Not that it makes much of a difference.

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>>43546107
I don't know why OP decided to use that low quality pic for the vote when there are several much better pics he could have used to compare the colors.
It's also really obvious from these higher quality photos just how much softer and fluffier an extra 0.5mm of minky is.

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>>43546128
nothing a squish can't fix.

>>43545995
>Greenleg One-Four, this is Alpha Two-Eight. Fire mission, over.
>Grid eight-seven-five-zero six-three-eight-zero, over.
>Hardened structure, four-zero meters wide. Request one-oh-fives, one-five-fives in effect. Fires north of my position, trailing south. Danger close. Fire for effect, over.

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>>43546157
ewwww someone shaved her wtf

>>43546188
yeah I don't care what shade of green she is I want my filly to be soft

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she's perfect, the snout, the eyes, the body, the fur, and you know what? who says fillies don't darken as they get older? anonmare is always drawn as a dark green and she's HOT AS FUCK so why can't the real young fillies be a super light green?

>>43546107
>>43546157
>It's also really obvious from these higher quality photos just how much softer and fluffier an extra 0.5mm of minky is.
It just looks blobby and weird.
Far right looks by far the worse in both pics. There could be some argument for the middle, even if it's a worse color, but there's no doubt how much cleaner and prettier left is. Especially the longer and the closer you look at it, where the issues with middle start to become apparent as well. Being softer and fluffier is not an objective gain, and it makes for a much uglier toy in this instance.

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>>43546201
u know it babe

>>43546204
the snouts on V1 and V2 are too small and V1's fabric is that cheap shitty soft-but-not-fur type fabric that a bunch of the licensed plushies ended up being made out of over the years

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>>43546204
>"No you look blobby and weird, faggot!"

>>43546212
>V1's fabric is the type of fabric that plushes of this sort are supposed to be made out of
Yeah. And they're actually the shape that they're meant to be, too.

Like you can prefer something else but the pissblob just looks works and is a worse product IMO.

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>>43545525
>so i'm a [little] annoyed
That's pretty much where I'm at.

>>43546218
This anon's art is so ass.

>>43546157
You know, without the colored box outlines, the difference in color seems a lot less extreme.
Really the thing that gives it away is the contrast between the mouth/nostrils stiching, and the fabric.
I think I may have noticed the color difference when I was holding them at MF, but it was more a thought at the back of my head than anything.
I was more looking at her shape, her eyes and her hoovsies.
Though I do have red/green colorblindness, so there's that.

>>43546218
This anon's art is so sex.

>>43546252
I'd fuggit

>>43546201
>>43546209
I would love to get a Anonmare plush in the future.

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>>43546263
I was thinking that, myself.

>>43546263
Only if she's lifesize

>>43546132
The ads were posted in the thread you moron

>>43546330
The ads were made with only a little over a week left to preorder. Anons who ordered 20+ had already been invoiced by that point. Anyone who based their purchase solely on those ads either showed up at the last minute at best, or is an offboarder at worst. Either way, I don't give a shit about their opinions.

>>43546139
Was one of the 7.65% who voted for pissfilly. Reckon if everyone is that displeased there’ll be a lot of cancelled orders, but I don’t really get why people are bothering to complain as if it’s going to change anything. It is what it is.

>>43546496
I didn’t vote for the yeller feller, but I’m fine with her. I like the fluff she has on the newer versions, so I probably would have voted for piss had I known that was also a factor.

>>43546496
>I don’t really get why people are bothering to complain as if it’s going to change anything.
Well in theory it's a thread project and OP is supposed to discuss shit in the thread.
If OP has already locked in the order and can't change it anymore, and complaining is pointless at this point, well then that's part of the problem because in that case he didn't even update the thread and give any chance of response before doing that. In which case complaining should at minimum make OP realise that it was a bad move and, hopefully, be more communicative for decisions like this in the future, if nothing else.

>>43546076
>And this at the same time as announcing a tax hike for a quarter of all anons, and refusing to bill it separately resulting in a double tax hike
I told you twice last thread that that's not how it works and you keep going on about your tax headcanon. You can bill it however you want and it's not going to get cheaper. Even if you put it on a completely separate invoice it'll still be a charge for the plush that's being delivered, and that incurs VAT.
Do please read up on how tax laws work if you want to keep ignoring corrections, then you can present your plan, and I would be very happy to be wrong about this. But I assume you're just trying to stir up shit so you won't do that and will just keep repeating it again and again.


Also green > yellow, but 1.5mm >>> 1mm. I agree that this should have been a vote, but the result would probably have been the same. But EU is the bigger issue at this point

>be stuck in BOD meetings for two days
>have to juggle my actual irl job
>fuck up both nominations
>lose to zemming
>go sleep after work
>check board first time in three days
>my threads archived
>my filly is piss colored

yeah I think im just gonna fuckin call it here guys, someone send a signed picture from mom to my grave. see you faggots in hell.

>>43546623
Yeah, yeah, see you next week, faggot

>>43546496
>They made a vote
>People voted what they wanted
>They then disregarded the vote, going against what over 90% of people wanted.
>People are upset.

How do you not understand that this would be the obvious outcome?

>>43546603
Fair enough. Hopefully they communicate better next time.
>>43546776
I understand why people are upset. Not everyone gets what they want from a vote, and I was content either way, even if it wasn’t my choice. Shit happens. If you don’t like it, so be it. Don’t pay the invoice, and keep it pushing. That’s the point.

>>43546496
>I don’t really get why people are bothering to complain as if it’s going to change anything.
I hope that the future runs will not have the problem where the manufacturer fucking lies to us and we blindly trust them.
I can't believe that the "American" company is more chinky than a certified Chinese bootleg merch producer (Olyfactory).

>>43546816
Are you fucking retarded or something?

>>43545552
She is clearly hunched and leaning in a way to get it to go forward

>>43545995
Y'know you're right anon, she does look fine as she is there in cool natural outdoor lighting. To be honest I just want to actually receive her at all at this point.

>>43546935
No more than you, if I have to call it.

>>43547014
No faggot, you're just a retarded dumb fuck.
KYS

>>43546132
>Only actual offboarders who don't use adblock saw the ads.
I have adblocker on 4channel disabled because most ads are from 4channers shilling their projects

>>43546816
>Shit happens. If you don’t like it, so be it.
But this is the thread to for the /mppp/ project. Why would people not talk about the current direction of the /mppp/ project in it? I really don't get your point here.

This isn't some fact of life where some corporation somewhere did something we don't like and everyone's seething. It's a group project where OP is organising everything and gave an update, and everyone else is giving him feedback on that update.

>>43544358
Maybe send all euro plushies to one Anon, who could reship them as gifts? Then you would only need to worry about importing to one country.

>>43544247
stupid question but where do (or where will I be able to) order?

>>43547487

>>43544247
>Preorders are closed. Thanks to everyone who ordered! Latecoomer adoptions will occur about a month after invoices go out.

>>43528359
>>when do the paypal invoices arrive?
>Mid-late November. Depends how long Symbiote take to summon 3000 green demons into this world.

>>43547487
you missed it

>>43547487
These threads have been up for half a year now. No sympathy for latefags and tourists.

I was thinking about it and what if euro anons volunteered to be the local representatives for small horse imports and handle the administrative burden in their home country? That would remove third party fees and needing to pay for a representative, limiting the costs to whatever the local regulations demand. Of course I don't know what the process or requirements for this are and (you) would become legally liable for reporting everything correctly, but it might be the only way to get around the EPR if Symbiote can't help us.

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>>43547721 (cont)
Source: https://www.coolset.com/academy/ppwr-authorised-representative
It's a lot just to get single digits of fillies into a country, I'll just leave it there on the table for now and hope there's an easier option. I'm gonna assume anons who ordered a plush were not looking for it to come with legal paperwork.

>>43547765
The issue is that the registration for EPR costs ~1500 euro/country or something like that.

My best bet is just to completely ignore the whole thing. Send a few packages as a trial, and see if they go through. If they do, send the rest.

>>43547788
This, I don't see why the EU would give a fuck for a single wave of fillies that can be easily declared as "gifts" or person to person mail ins.

>>43547792
>"gifts" or person to person mail ins
This isn't working for a long time. They just ignore that the sender is declaring it as gift.
They will ask the recipient for an invoice.
They basically made it impossible to receive packages from outside of the EU even from family. There are numerous complains about it.
Also they do care about a single wave of packages. If they don't then what's the point? What's the limit? One package? One hundred? One thousand? Everything is automated these days. The system just marks the package that it is missing whatever and automatically tosses it out into the burn pile.

If a single Anon receives all the fillies destined for the EU then send it within the EU using currier services (not through normal post) that would maybe work. But this would mean additional import taxes, but no 3+2 euro tax on each package. But handling VAT would still be a bitch + needs a company within EU. Plus the EPR shit still stands.
Assuming we want to keep it fully legal.

>>43547788
>EPR costs ~1500 euro/country
I checked the organisation responsible in my country and it doesn't list any kind of registration fees, the only fees I could find were the costs of different packaging types per tonne. Of course I'd need to contact them and verify that. It might be impossibly expensive for specific countries but it might be affordable for some.

What concerns me more now is the Declaration of Compliance documentation, getting representatives and registering is pointless unless the manufacturer can supply those documents, similar to the color testing. If they're not willing to do it then we're outright done.

fimby

>>43548255
stop bumping this shit the project is dead now because op is a nigger rigger and the eu is just nigger

>>43548263
fligy

>>43548263
"project is dead now because I have to pay around 2 more dollars per plush" fuck off third worlder

>>43548281
gigy

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Quick update. I was talking with the company that does our IOSS compliance and I was informed that they just launched a EPR compliance suite that covers the whole EU. It is an order of magnitude cheaper than the nearest competition too, and should work out to only adding maybe a dollar per order to the EU orders. They handle all the bullshit with having representatives in countries and registering with each government. They act as our legal representative for the EU, nothing else changes. We keep our distributor and current model. You Euros just will have to pay even more for your onerous regulations. Please don't pass any more laws that restrict free trade for the next little while. I can't take much more of this shit for your union.

Anyway for now EU orders should be able to happen... until the next piece of BS legislation blows up in our faces. Just expect your filly to cost closer to $10 base price instead of $9.15. More details will be posted as I hammer them out.

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>>43548602
OP you magnificent faggot you just made my day.

>>43548602
I like how she looks in the picture here, very sunlit like early spring foliage.

>>43548602
cute lil faggot

>>43548602
nigger

>>43548602
Oh fuck yeah, I'm a US buyer but I'm really happy to hear this for the EU anons. Thank you so much for the work you're putting in for everyone.

>>43548602
Uh not to be too negative, but do maybe check you're not being rugpulled. Are they registering your LLC, or are they offering to sell in your stead? Because anything else wouldn't be correct afaik. And if they're registering your LLC, what are the yearly renewal costs?
I'm just wary because they conveniently offer something way below market price. I'd of course be very happy to be wrong

>>43545945
I too would like to know what length Symbiote uses for their normal plushies. To me, they feel perfectly fine, but the plushies I've made are with 3mm length minky, and I love how soft they are. I also voted for the greener colour, so it makes deciding which I would prefer to be quite tricky.
>>43546076
I mentioned 2 threads ago when the colour thing started that OP seems to be rushing and making things worse for himself. I don't know if it's Symbiote, someone in China or OP who is setting this arbitrary deadline for the fillies, but everything is becoming so muddled at this point.
I for one would much rather discuss changes and make sure everything is sorted instead of rushing production. Anons are paying money for these things, and it's a limited time thing to boot, its only to be expected that they should want what they voted for, and they are angry when things are changed without discussing it first.
There is a point where OP needs to take charge when it comes to certain things, it is his product after all, but going about it like this isn't the way.

>>43548602
Can you explain symbiote's color selection process again, and why exactly did they claim pantone matching and then force you to choose between two chinesium swatches

>>43546076
I need to remind everyone that 100% of the problems in this project so far are caused by Symbiote.
They are just feeding us wrong information:
>Silently changed the color for prototype #2 and #3
>Lied that they can make any Pantone color
>"Forgot" to tell that different fabric colors have different length

I expect more "surprises" like this in the future, so I agree with other Anons ITT that we need to cool down and get as much information from Symbiote as possible before ordering anything.

>>43548885
>I need to remind everyone that 100% of the problems in this project so far are caused by Symbiote.
Yes but 100% of the annoyance in the thread so far has been caused by OP coming in and saying "oh btw since Symbiote fucked up I took this executive decision that I know 157 anons voted against, kthxbye!"
And now he's back to cheerfully posting updates about random euro shipping and ignoring the entire color issue as if there's nothing to discuss

>>43548893
156 anons, I've changed my mind and I want the filly exactly as she already is.

>>43548967
That's not the point, the point is that when OP announced it, as far as he knew it was 157 and he still didn't bother discussing it at all.

>>43548977
I agree that it's kinda fucked he isn't saying anything about it but I get the idea he's gonna post a thesis on it later.
Also, the quiz assumed that we were only choosing a color. I bet the results would have been very different if we were choosing between green-but-not-as-soft VS less-green-and-soft.

>>43548982
>I bet the results would have been very different
I ALSO agree but that is why you TALK about it in the thread once it comes up rather than just secretly taking a decision and then pretending to ignore all consequences

>>43548993
Yeah.... one of the biggest things you learn over time and even through the show is that nothing tops communication

>>43548982
The poll also lacked an 'either is fine' option.
We need a new poll to work out how mad anons are.
>https://strawpoll.com/1MnwkEkPxn7

I harbor malicious intentions towards OP, but will not act on them as I lack realistic means to do so

>>43548982
I think the EU thing was probably the bigger issue that OP was focusing on. I expect he'll address the colour issue soon now that he sorted that headache.

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>>43548850
I'm more upset with Symbiote promising us they can do an accurate color in the beginning, only to stab us in the back.
>lol actually these are your only color option, sry :P
OP, are you sure you can't take the time to make a more accurate dye color for us?? Delay is nothing compare to looking at my piss stain fillies for years to come.

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>>43548872
Not him, but judging on the photos in the last thread, it works like this:
>Symbiote has some fabric catalogue with custom codes (D175, D233, D232, D231, D294)
>>43542613
>Different colors have different available fabric lengths
>Symbiote workers have a Pantone Formula Guide Set, the set on the photo uses colors for Paper & Packaging (PMS), not for fabric (FHI)
>>43505995
>They use it to choose the fabric with the closest color (but they're colorblind)
>>43506624

>>43548602
Note on this update, I haven't spoken with the representatives from their EPR side of the business specifically. So I only know they offer a service claiming to handle EPR across all 27 countries for a reasonable price. I've already signed up and I have a meeting set up with them on Thursday where I'll be able to get the full details. It looks like this has no gotchas... but I don't trust anything with the EU. The company is called EAS if anyone wants to check them out, they are very legit.

To put to bed the color and timing conundrums once and for all. The aim of this run has always been to get plushies in hands before Christmas, ideally before people send out their secret santa gifts. I fully intend to keep the promises that have been made. The design and colors are set, now it's only manufacturing or bureaucratic delays that could cause us to miss that goal. Both of which I can't effect. As for the fabric color, I should have never put it to a vote to begin with. At the time I put it up to vote I was unaware that Symbiote's supplier could not actually provide that exact color in 1.5mm. It is FAR more important to have 1.5mm pile minkie than a slightly different shade of color. On the advice of both Symbiote and the plushmancers I spoke with to verify their claim 1.5mm provides a much more workable fabric when sewing, stretches better, and of course has better hand feel. All in all I feel that the 1.5mm fabric is essential for the highest quality product. I also did get sent all the other similar greens that Symbiote could choose from, and none were nearly as good a fit as the "piss filly" green. It wouldn't even have been an issue if I hadn't thought it could be voted on. My mistake, and a good lesson for the future.

Anyway that ought to cover all the questions regarding color decision, why we have a Christmas goal, and some lingering concerns about EPR for the EU market. Here's hoping for good news Thursday. I'll keep y'all updated on any more news as it happens.

>>43549229
Clearly anons want a lower quality product after Christmas if it means they can go with a color that, in person, isnt nearly as bad as they think it is.
Theres a reason why nobody wants to take up the /mppp/ mantle

>>43549229
>before Christmas
stop trotting out this bullshit before christmas time pressure line that was never mentioned until you rug pulled the colour vote and started getting pushback from your deeply retarded decision
Own up to your spergery and work with the thread to fix the product we're paying for

>>43549236
Anon, I already paid Symbiote the money and they started production. You don't understand, the decisions I've made are final. It's the direction we're headed. All that is left is getting the fillies into hands, learning what more there is to learn, and moving onto Floorb.

>>43549241
Sorry m8, but it was never an actual decision to begin with. I'm sorry it looked like it was one we could make. The show goes on, and the fillies are spring garden green.

if you dont like it, join us in ignoring the invoice emails come november

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>>43549158
>Delay is nothing compare to looking at my piss stain fillies for years to come.
You faggots have completely mindbroken yourselves with this piss meme. She looks fucking beautiful, and everyone agreed at the time until OP came up with his creative little nickname for her at the last minute and permanently poisoned the fucking well.

>>43549229
I know you already said you accept all the blame, but I'll never not be mad about how you tarnished, betrayed, and sabotaged this filly's good name. You've bred a whole bunch of retards who are going to look at this filly forever, the first one we've gotten that isn't that fuck-ugly, oversaturated neon green, and think of fucking piss.

FUCK YOU.

Look at this filly. Look at her. This cute, sweet, pastel little filly who went on a camping trip with you. Who saw the glory hole with you. And know that you've cursed her to a lifetime of being remembered as a piss filly.

Look at her and apologize for your UTTER BETRAYAL.

And then kindly get your fucking shit together for the Floorb and Reckless runs because I need those to be good, thanks.

Oh, wait, I get it now, its like how the Steam Frame is totally dead according to /vg/
And like how on twitter if you make a joke, no you didnt its just that serious.
Okay I understand now, thanks anon.

>>43549243
Looks like we're locked in. Those who complain below me know that your opinions will go into the void. And even if you don't pay your invoice there are enough whales, latecoomers, and Americans to fill the gap. I'm not going to let my exclusive pissfilly ($200 aftermarket) get away. The only thing you're doing by not paying your invoice is hurting our chances of getting Floorb. Do it for her and don't be a faggot, it's literally the price of a meal on the west coast per filly.

>>43549254
lmao looks like my piss after chemo from the cancer I got trying to do literally any projects with /mlp/

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You know a lot of this could have been avoided and figured out weeks ago if there had just been a proper photo shoot done outside during a sunny day.

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>anons will look at the filly on the right and think of urine
ISHYGDDT

>>43549269
>please accept this plate of shit so i can afford to shit on your plate again later

>>43549281
If your piss looks like that, I am concerned for you.

>>43549284
>calling >>43549281 a plate of shit
Just say you're color blind and hate ponies already.

>>43549280
>a lot of this could have been avoided and figured out weeks ago if
Symbiote were not fucking scumbags.
If I ordered something and a seller took me on a ride like that I would never order from them again.

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This is unreal samefaggotry

>>43549254
Of all the criticism I've read, which has been a lot, yours cuts the deepest Anon. I did poison the well before anyone even had a chance to drink. I'd offer a sorry, but those aren't worth much from me.

>>43549292
Is there even an alternative to symbiote for these kinds of projects anymore lmao

the only ponies taken for a ride were the 157 (-1) who were told their voices mattered

>>43549250
>join us
No, I won't be joining you and your dicksword friends in doing that. I've been regretting only ordering one since preorders closed though, so thanks for increasing my chances at getting another.

>>43549298
If my filly arrives safe and sound I'll consider you absolved.

>>43549254
Think about it this way: It being THE "piss filly" will likely give it extra juice in a few years on the second hand market. Like star-less scarves being worth more due to being unique. It's all autists and newfags who care about this stuff. Think of the big picture.

>>43549300
>Is there even an alternative to symbiote for these kinds of projects anymore
There are many alternatives, but they require careful research.

>>43549229
>It is FAR more important to have 1.5mm pile minkie than a slightly different shade of color
BASED BASED BASED
>>43549254
Not only do you speak the truth, but I see NO piss here, and I cannot wait to get my faggots in the mail because that's ADORABLE

>>43549308
Oh shit, I didnt even think about that. The color difference is such a non-issue to me after I saw it in person that I upped my order from 1 to 10 on the last day.

>>43549311
>but they require careful research
Well get to it anyone who thinks symbiote should be abandoned.

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>>43549281
>sunlight

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>>43549281
Wtf they're green now. idk who to believe. GREEN YELLOW AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>43549301
3rd worlders never mattered, it seems like there will be a bunch of latecomers to adopt the cancelled orders. Everything will solve itself.

>>43548602
>work out to only adding maybe a dollar per order to the EU orders
>Just expect your filly to cost closer to $10 base price instead of $9.15

So which one is it? Per order or per filly?
And as was mentioned in the last thread, do send an email to euros. Now they will get an invoice thats 1/3 more expensive than what was expected.

>>43549323
That's because they're next to a window, which is going to be a big source of blue light

>>43549248
OP, What the fuck happened between mare fair and now? Where the fuck did all the good will go?
Thank fuck you haven't taken the money yet, this is turning more and more scammy with every post. I feel sorry for the anons that ordered 20+.
>>43549269
With the way this has gone you think floorb will go any smoother? She'll come out actual piss yellow if it this run is anything to go by.

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>>43549323
Color depends on lighting. The reason she looks properly green despite looking yellowed in other photos is because pic related.

If you liked Piss Filly get your tight little anus ready for Cum Floor Bored

>>43549343
i'm so fucking ready

>>43549338
>With the way this has gone you think floorb will go any smoother?
If Symbiote stop being niggers and honestly answer our direct questions about their capabilities, there is a chance.

And I must say this: FORGET about accessories. If they make such a mess with plain fabric you don't want to know what they can do about intricate details.

>>43549229
The idea that you wanted to get these out before secret santa is fucking stupid anyway. Its more than likely if you're participating in /ss/ this year you've probably already ordered one. Its FUTURE /ss/ you need to worry about because those have much more of a chance of including ones who missed out.

>>43549359
Yeah every single year of Mare Fairs plushies sucked ass and are sub par, avoid Symbiote.

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>>43549338
>OP, What the fuck happened between mare fair and now?
His resolve was broken after witnessing the unspeakable horrors.
https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/43534795/#43534846

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>>43549384

>>43549229
>my mistake, a good lesson for the future
I think that's the best way to take it. It happens - all we can do is try our best and I think it's obvious you have been. I can't wait to get the mountain of fillers in and i am still so excited for the future mares.

>>43549229
Why is Christmas even relevant to this? Like I said here >>43545804, I bought ten for future secret santas but I don't really care about having extras for THIS year's secret santa.
It was a nice date to aim for, but you're shooting yourself (and all the rest of us) in the foot by being a slave to deadlines at the cost of quality.

>>43549229
>a good lesson for the future
The lesson for the future is to never trust the chinese

>>43549375
And replace them with what??????

>>43549529
Option 1: one of 1000 plush toy manufacturers that work in the same region of China.
Option 2: manufacturers in other countries.
We really should not hold the mindset that Symbiote is the only option in the world.

>>43549535
I'll do it, each pony will cost $200 and I will get all of them done in five years

>>43549436
>at the cost of quality
Except the quality is why he went with the lighter green did you not read? 1.5mm fabric is superior and what is often used for the plushies that feel soft and are easy to work with, Symbiote didnt lie about that.

>>43549529
Given how long the process to make plushies, and I wont get into all the work that goes into the other merch as well, then who fucking knows. Researching the '100's of companies' around them and getting samples, and trying to get a working relationship isnt fucking easy for one or two people alone. It takes weeks, if not months, to get to the first few prototypes. Depending on whether or not you have a 3d model, which is required for most all plush making companies.
Symbiote may not be perfect, but they're at least on par with every other plush manufacturer I've met and talked to.

>>43549565
>each pony will cost $200 and I will get all of them done in five years
Sorry, mate.
Makeship, LaunchPlush, Plushiyo, Maple Eye Toys, Custom Plush Toys, KINWIN, Leeline Toys all have better conditions.

>>43549566
>Except the quality is why he went with the lighter green did you not read?
Yes, the lower quality of the uglier and worse formed plush that was forced in the face of a >92% vote against it

>>43549229
I genuinely don't remember you ever promising them arriving before Christmas
These projects always take a million years to complete so I would be very surprised if anybody had ordered actually expecting and relying on them arriving before Christmas this year

Symbiote fuck us in the ass and instead of getting them to manufacture what we fucking want you just bent over going "yes daddy". That's what fucking happened. You can accept the blame all you want, that doesn't change the facts

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These threads are an amazing shitstorm

>>43549298
>pisses in the well
>refuses to apologize
Holy based

>>43549703
>I genuinely don't remember you ever promising them arriving before Christmas
He didn't.
Anyone giving a cent to this retard is just encouraging more lazy scammers to target the board.

I'm still very much looking forward to getting my filly, just hoping that when we move onto Floorb that the mistakes made this time around will be learned from. Relax some of your autist rage, anons.

>>43549281
>basically white in the light
>weird and fat
>feet look awful
It's actually crazy how much better the left looks than the right. Like there's a huge drop in quality going left -> center and center -> right.
>>43549287
>calling >>43549281 a plate of shit
Anon just look at it. Look at it for like two seconds.

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so is this like a sharty raid or something

>>43549844
>sell product
>after product has been sold but before it has been shipped, swap it out for an inferior product
>get pushback
'wow are we getting raided'

>>43549844
>so is this like a sharty raid or something
Yeah, they raided Symbiote and trolled us with piss fillies.

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it'd be less obvious if you didn't both respond at the same time

>>43549857
Nah, then you would say that it's a samefag.

>>43549835
>just hoping that when we move onto Floorb that the mistakes made this time around will be learned from
Tbqh it is hard for us control it.
Basically, they are colorblind, so we need to get their full color+length fabric catalog and choose the colors ourselves.

I was a proponent for the greener filly, and even contributed to the sandbagging of OP before his most recent update. But let's be honest and outline a couple of details with where we currently stand.

1. Unfortunately, what has happened has happened. Even if many are upset by it, bitching will not change the outcome.
2. Continuing to bitch is only going to serve to discourage OP from continuing to head the /mppp/ debacle.
3. Unless (You) are planning on taking a stab at heading the project, and begin to post actual evidence of doing so, then OP is our only option. Do we really want to bite the hand that is feeding us?
4. As this >>43549415 post stated, the only action that can be taken by OP in the future is to remember the pitfalls of this current run and attempt to avoid them.
5. As this >>43549269 anon mentioned, refusing to pay the invoice will likely not have the effect that several of (You) are hoping for. There will be others who are happy to buy the excess. If not, then you are screwing over the only current anon who is actually putting work into getting other anons a /mlp/ plushie.
6. Who's to say that anonfilly won't be revisited further down the line, resulting in the rarity of this run increasing?

Yes we are upset. Yes we wish that things could have been approached differently, but the way that I am looking at it is: having an anonfilly < no anonfilly. If we bastards suspend the butthurt for a second and consider the larger picture, I believe that we will be happier having paid our cheap ass invoices (compared to other plushie prices on the market) and enjoying the filler than if we had opted not to. For those who remain assmad, enjoy your FOMO as I move the goalposts on what makes me happy to better enjoy a product that may not be perfect, but is a reflection of the imperfection of all anons sitewide.

>>43549873
Lel.

>>43549872
>3. Unless (You) are planning on taking a stab at heading the project, and begin to post actual evidence of doing so, then OP is our only option. Do we really want to bite the hand that is feeding us?
But OP isn't feeding us. He's just another random low quality retailer that doesn't care what we think. The only difference is that he took money from some of /mlp/ and the rest of us haven't fallen for it yet and paid him a cent at all, so basically no different from any other supplier.
>2. Continuing to bitch is only going to serve to discourage OP from continuing to head the /mppp/ debacle.
Based. It's not like continuing to wait on someone that clearly has no intention of giving a fuck about what people in the thread want is going to make him magically start caring about what people have asked for or what has been agreed on. If he breaks promises this easily now why are you holding out hope for him to make and keep new promises in the future? He obviously isn't regretful in the slightest.
>resulting in the rarity of this run increasing?
Yeah man because the only reason people were buying this was as a rare collector's item, not because they actually wanted an anonfilly plush. Blow it out your ass.

>>43549298
Urine is actually not poisonous provided you aren't infected, especially in low concentrations

>>43549292
It's not just them taking us for a ride, it's OP just saying "sure all good :)" instead of replying "yeah no we're gonna need something close to the color we were promised (AND in good quality minky), not this garbage"

>>43549872
Agreed, I'd rather have /mppp/ still exist and be a little subpar than not exist at all. They seem to forget the guy behind this is just human after all, can't make everyone happy the first time around.

>>43549871
Well I'm guessing that since the color choices have caused such an uproar (deserved or not), it'll be handled better and with more anon feedback next time. I just want my filly and neet pone.

>>43549892
>(AND in good quality minky)
Stop accepting the lie. Both fillies are in good quality minky. The difference between the 1mm and the 1.5mm is mostly in appearance, and as you can see from any of the photographs the 1mm looks way better, enough so that more than 9/10 people voted for it.

>>43549895
>They seem to forget the guy behind this is just human after all, can't make everyone happy the first time around.
Sure, but he could have made 157 anons happy instead of making 13 people happy.

>>43549844
Yes. Fucking retards completely exposed themselves as offboarders who couldn’t even learn the details of what they’re raiding against when they revealed that they thought the vote had anything to do with choosing the plush's pattern or shape kek. Lazy fucking niggers.

So the filly I ordered isn't actually going to be the filly I ordered? Am I reading this shit right?

>>43549911
Correct.

Does OP know he still would have had his prototype pissfillies if he had fulfilled the order that everyone actually asked for?

>>43549872
You're absolutely right! Let's be honest here and unpack the circumstances, so we can be clear where we stand. The honest truth is --- what has happened has happened. It's not just disappointing --- it's upsetting. But bitching about it now will not change the outcome.

>>43549928
>Does OP know he still would have had his prototype pissfillies
Oh, offboarder, you’re so stupid it’s almost funny

>>43549879
So are you going to fulfill your invoice or not? There's really only two options, and your bitching doesn't matter in regards to either of them.
>Yeah, I'll fulfill my invoice
Then be happy with what you have and stop bitching.
>No, I'm not going to fulfill my invoice
Then your opinion is irrelevant and you can stop bitching.

Take your pick.

>>43549966
>p-please stop complaining because I said so!!
Not an argument

>>43549966
>If you give me money you're not entitled to an opinion
>If you won't give me money you're not entitled to an opinion
Yeah okay retard

I assume you're just shitstirring intentionally because as fucking awful and retarded as shitcanning the project that he had spent all this time setting up over a let minute kneejerk personal preference was at least OP didn't frame it as anything else. You're just being a faggot for no reason.

>>43549895
My thoughts exactly.
I don't want the organizer to become demoralized by the spamming retards. There have been far too many works killed by things like this.
I want this project to continue.

>>43550031
Well you're in luck: the organizer doesn't give a fuck what anyone on /mppp/ thinks, so whether the project lives or dies has literally nothing to do with what happens in this thread

>>43549900
If the slim difference between both shades of green bothers all the anons this much then their level of autism is higher than I even fathomed, once everyone actually starts to receive their fillies I imagine that the criticism will greatly die down. We're getting decent quality plush at a low price, ironically, don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

>>43550084
>gift
>I paid for it
shut up retard

For all the pissfilly voter fags who keep shitposting about how people are complaining about the color issue:

It isn't so much the color itself as much as it is about how the whole situation was handled.
Sure, a lot of us are disappointed about the color, but it's the complete disregard and failure to communicate that has people irritated.

OP should have communicated the situation sooner, rather than telling us after the fact, and clarified with Symbiote what was actually available before even making the poll. Yes, some of the blame is on Symbiote's part as well, as it appears they aren't the best at communicating either.

But it looks like the lesson was learned, and more care will be taken in the future. Hopefully OP is able to get a swatch set from Symbiote's fabric supplier, so future projects can run more smoothly.

However, acting like stupid arrogant niggers will NOT help the situation!
So stop acting like cunts, and telling people they don't have the right to be annoyed. You're just causing more ill felling towards it when we should be moving on.

In short: STFU you dumb faggots

>>43550141
>wwwaaaaaaaa stop being mean waaaaaaaaa!!!!
go back to r*ddit

I think the filly should be purple instead

>>43550144
It's not "being mean"
You're just being a dumb nigger.
KYS

>>43550156
go back

>>43550008
I never said that you weren't entitled to your opinion and your ability to post it. I called your opinion irrelevant. I simply highlighted the only two options available to disgruntled anons who received invoices.
>"Waaah, I can't accept the fact that this product isn't going to be exactly what I want so I'm going to needlessly continue to shit up the thread with my bitching and moaning. That'll teach 'em!"

In case you needed a reminder, I started my post by stating that I voted for the greener filly as well. I'm just trying to move on and be an adult about it while providing reasons for others to try and do the same. Is it a cope? Absolutely, but it's either cope and move on with a filly that is a slightly different color, or spitefully walk away with nothing and continue to seethe needlessly. You're simply choosing to remain butthurt about it, and lash out as butthurt individuals tend to do. I just want to know if you're fulfilling your invoice to know whether or not I should call you a hypocrite in addition to a butthurt baby.

You have every right to be upset (and post about it) just like every anon that voted for the greener color. I am simply calling into question the efficacy of it at this stage in the production run. OP acknowledged the pushback regarding the forced color "choice." Nothing is going to change. There's nothing we can do about it. Move on and find a way to enjoy your filly, or shut up and let us find a way to enjoy ours.

>>43550141
>But it looks like the lesson was learned
Was it?
OP just decided based on something which the vast majority of people already gave their opinion on. We were asked "do you want XYZ or ABC" and then when almost everyone said XYZ he just went and said that because XYZ doesn't have B, he'll go with ABC instead because it's what everyone would prefer.
Even though basically the entire thread voted against B in favor of Y.
Like whether or not you disentangle the greenness from the 1.5mm or not the question posed to the thread with visual aids was between 1mm Green and 1.5mm Yellow. Pretty much everyone voted for 1mm Green based on those visual attributes. The argument for 1.5mm Yellow could have been made better, but "oh I didn't shill my preference as well as I could have" isn't a good reason to turn around and utterly disregard a blowout vote of preference for the thing that wasn't OP's choice.

There's been no contrition on this point offered. OP is still sticking by his guns that dumpstering the thing that almost everyone wants because it comes with something else which by all accounts almost everyone wants instead of one thing he personally prefers was the right move and the only thing he should have done better is communicate more. Sure, he should have communicated more. He also shouldn't have done it in the first place.

Literally right in the OP is
>Due to limited fabric color options at 1.5mm pile length, and the overall superiority of 1.5mm over 1mm, we are going with color D232, the same color used for Prototypes 2 and 3. Hard call, but necessary for a superior filly.
1mm is superior and was overwhelmingly requested, yet here is OP just declaring the poll irrelevant because it disagreed with his opinion. I'd be just as mad if he had phrased the poll as 1.5mm vs 1mm and then when 157 people voted for the better looking filly OP decided that 'umm actually I prefer yellow so that's what you're getting and you're wrong if you disagree'. The filly is getting fucked over on two different axis and both of them are not what I agreed to.

no way you niggers are out here writing essay replies please seek help

>>43550169
>I called your opinion irrelevant.
Your opinion is also irrelevant. As you say, OP didn't care about your vote in the slightest. There's no point offering either praise or criticism because OP isn't going to pay attention to it, the only thing that you can do is either hate on OP for fucking you over or bend over and suck his dick.
>Nothing is going to change. There's nothing we can do about it.
So why are you in the thread still posting? Your entire post is just you repeating the claim that I'm powerless and have no voice but every part of that applies equally to you. If you really intended to just sit there and pay for whatever slice of turn OP serves up without saying anything then you might as well say nothing about the people offering pushback as well.
>Move on and find a way to enjoy your filly, or shut up and let us find a way to enjoy ours.
Nah, eat shit. If you want to circlejerk about how much you love getting fucked over by people who don't give a fuck about the thread without seeing criticism then you can do so off the board.

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>>43549879
>Oy vey cancel your order anon, follow the FUD. Let the rest of us increase our stock so we can sell it back to you premium.

>>43550202
Cancelling the order is apparently not the best option when we already paid the money to Symbiote.
But literally no one in the thread wants this to happen with other plush runs where this color/fabric difference is unacceptable.

>>43550031
>I want this project to continue.
This. Can't let a few bad actors tarnish this project. We'll actually see how many anons were willing to cancel their order once the invoices arrive. I expect a nothing burger.

>>43550127
>never heard of an idiom before
Sure you're not the retard?

>>43550144
>mismanaging the project is "mean"
You are a gorilla nigger

>>43550169
Well, yes, lessons have been learned.

They already signed the contract, made the order, and started production, so even if OP wanted to make changes now, they can't. It's a done deal.

However, things will be handled better for future runs. Either getting more accurate information before holding a poll, or simply avoiding a poll entirely.

And I'm not saying that people aren't justified in being upset or anything, but that these pissfilly niggers are only making the situation worse.

>>43550226
it literally means a gift of inferior quality not to be looked at critically you absolute mongoloid and as I said it is a paid product thus making it not a gift and something that SHOULD be criticized

>>43549911
see >>43544652 (right one)
This is what you'll get.

>>43550231
>However, acting like stupid arrogant niggers will NOT help the situation!
So stop acting like cunts, and telling people they don't have the right to be annoyed. You're just causing more ill felling towards it when we should be moving on.

>In short: STFU you dumb faggots
>>43550231
the retard crying is saying we are being mean you absolute fuck head

>>43550239
Alright nigger tell me where else you'd be able to get an anon filly this cheap without /mppp/? The criticism is fine but nothing is going to change in this run so give it up.

>>43549911
technically it wasn't going to be and now it is the one people ordered and were perfectly fine with before op called her a piss filly and started this shit

>>43550247
>it is cheap so it is okay
you and all other normgroids are why chinesium products and the enshitification of all things has been accelerating unchecked

>>43549229
>It is FAR more important to have 1.5mm
Imagine not wanting latex filly.

>1mm is superior and was overwhelmingly requested
No it isn’t and no it wasn’t
>OP picked yellow because that was his preference
>offboarders actually believe this

>>43550253
oh fuck that is kinda hot... I am keeping that in the back of my mind for a custom commission of anonmare or something...

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>>43550253
Hot but probably highly impractical to manufacture

>>43550235
Keep the polls, but we just have to be more strict when judging the prototypes. I am however more worried about rigging the polls especially for choosing the next OC.

>>43550247
>tell me where else you'd be able to get an anon filly this cheap
NTA but dude, I don't give a fuck. I'd happily pay 4x to actually get the filly that I was promised.

The novelty of /mppp/ was getting a decent plush to (communal) request without needing to deal with an individual creator hand-making it. It's now no longer to request and IMO, no longer decent.

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>>43550259

>>43550252
I'm not going to keep arguing with a faggot who can't read and keeps repeating the same criticism as everyone else. NOTHING is changing this run, save your whining for the next run if nothing has changed by then.

>>43550263
>I'd happily pay 4x to actually get the filly I was promised
Okay, do that then and gtfo of the thread.

>>43550269
>Okay, do that then
But I can't because OP has arbitrarily decided to ship a piece of shit instead

>>43550259
custom inflatables are a thing so you could probably make it happen just saying... imagine the pocket possibilities and ease of cleaning

>>43550267
you are the one who cannot comprehend the english language nonny so get ass blasted

>>43550271
Well if /mppp/ falls apart because all of you autists keep sperging out over a minor color change then don't go complaining about it. I just want poorfags to get a board plush, and if it matters so much just wait until the next run to see if things will change.

My people were promised this piss filly four thousand years ago so please understand inshallah!

>>43550273
>get ass blasted
You sure do like to talk about blowing and blasting asses, faggot. It makes it painfully obvious that the retard who’s been writing multiple whiny essays for the last couple of days is just one really autistic faggot

>>43550286
>samefag allegations
I will accept your concession

>>43550277
>Well if /mppp/ falls apart because all of you autists keep sperging out over a minor color change
/mppp/ can't fall apart from anon feedback when OP doesn't fucking read feedback in the first place. For all intents and purposes it is already dead anyway, since there's no difference between waiting until a /mppp/ project is past the point that the fuckwit can't make a last second unsolicited change and just buying from anyone else.
>a minor color change
It's a pretty significant color change. There's no need to be disingenuous. But I'm way more pissed about the change in material than the color anyway.
>I just want poorfags to get a board plush, and if it matters so much just wait until the next run to see if things will change.
There's no fucking way I'm trusting this retard with my money unless he has a finished product physically infront of me so I can see he's not about to swap it out for something different, and even then I'm going to need to double check what it's actually made of.

Like I get it, you're mommy gave you $20 for a toy and this is the only way that you're going to get a plushie. But I'm not a poorfag and just wanted something machine made that wasn't garbage and this isn't it.

>>43550291
nta and I am mad about the color change and it getting changed on us without warning but the fabric is technically better than the color we wanted although I do agree the extra length obstructs the detail and 1mm would of been better I just wanted to point out some stuff thanks

>>43550291
Then commission somebody. Do you know the purpose of /mppp/? Do you know what the actual fuck /mppp/ stands for? The purpose is to make dirt cheap plushies for everyone. If it's good enough, it's good enough. You'd cry from the quality of a V1 filly.

>>43550291
>you're mommy
Lmao esl melty

>>43550299
also I want to add for anyone who doesn't know but the fabrics are technically the same and the length is the pile on the fuzz itself which holds no structural value

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>all these retards whining about a minuscule color discrepancy

>>43550308
getting the color right should of been the bare minimum anon but the anger stems from it being changed after it was voted on and the fact that op branded them as piss fillies forever now

>>43550299
>the fabric is technically better
It's not. Like there are pros and cons and as you've agreed, it looks worse. The thing is OP talked to people who make their own plush toys and those people told him that the thicker material was better because of course they did. Thicker materials are way fucking easier to work with and you're much less likely to damage it in the process of making the plush. But these aren't hand made. They don't have the same limitations. We don't need to settle for a worse looking material with a different (IMO worse) feel to the one on the plush that we asked for.

Part of why this sucks so much is that trying to make a toy that looks like the original prototype by hand would be a huge fucking pain in the ass and require me to not fuck up a really involved process and just buying a premade one from chinks would have been a breeze. Instead we're being told that because OP (and essentially, OP alone) doesn't want that it's garbage or nothing. If all I wanted was a soft blob I could just make or buy one at like any con.

>>43550291
God you autists are so fucking entitled, its a cheap yet nice looking plush and you're expecting commissioner level of feedback response. It's not a huge color change to people who have functioning eyes, it's still fucking green just a lighter shade. If you think it's garbage then commission somebody, the filly is still cute. Next time learn to use the right 'your' and spit out the cum of the other sperging complainers you so love to suck off.

>>43550303
>Then commission somebody.
See >>43550322
>You'd cry from the quality of a V1 filly.
I don't know how telling me that I'd be driven to tears by how good the thing I'm not getting because OP flipflopped at the last moment is meant to make me less bitter about not getting it.

>>43550322
yeah you are right I just wish op put the order in a month ago instead of pointing out the color stuff because technically we all okayed the one we are getting now before he called them piss fillies

>>43550327
it is yellow dude quit sucking ops dick after he betrayed us and the fillies