This is the alternative MLP fan site general thread. Discussion, development suggestions, and criticisms are all welcome here.Negligible Downtime Edition>why alternate boorus?The absolute state of Derpibooru has led to the development of various alternatives. Many altbooru staff members are present ITT, reading comments and answering questions.>why alternate text sites?Pastebin persistently purges pony pastes. Fimfiction does not allow stories in greentext format. FiMFetch censors foalcon and other material deemed "unacceptable" by its owner, a libelous hypocrite: ponepaste.org/9926>general purpose boorusponerpics.org by Pupper and Lotus [!!VL3e2tgvNo5]twibooru.org by Twifag and Filly (formerly Floorb) [!!mdpTjuXo6BG]>specialized boorusbooru.foalcon.com by Pathos (lolisho)lyrabooru.org (hot glue)>(green)text and other fanfictionponepaste.org by Aftercase [!!KXV0q+Lg38e], managed by Filly>dedicated archivesa0346f102085fe9f.github.io/IAS2foalfetch.net by Fillyiwiftp.yerf.org by Romemlpcon.infopony.games>video sharingpony.tube by Twifag and Filly>file sharingpone.rsmare.by>microbloggingpone.social by Twifag and Filly>link shorteningderpy.meOn past /fast/s:>Ponerpics duplicate queue has several hundred reports awaiting an update to Derpi metadata handling>Twibooru imports large batch of images from Manebooru>PonePaste UI improvements go live>Pony.Tube future expansion under consideration>Ponerpics disables anonymous tag editing to curb spam; results promising>derpy.me back online after purging spam links>IWIFTP relaunches Tor hidden service: 647jnod5oc7bzj3tpjq2qaaq6j73sa4h43whqeubkvkbvm52yecm72id.onion>IWIFTP launches i2p service: ow7qtlpe3u36qob4dgoo3opifaj335hbk6gxv43tfjjzhvky5zwa.b32.i2p>PonePaste domain expires; gets transferred to Filly>Pony.Tube and Pone.Social receive updates courtesy of Filly>Ponerpics prev/next image shortcuts fixed>New Twibooru scraper code published: github.com/Twibooru/nuboorumon>pone.rs ShareX functionality fixed>Twibooru SVG importer restored to working order>Ponut.Space taken offline following CP spam>PonePaste fixes out-of-memory bug affecting database dumps>Panicked purge marks The End of Ponybooru: >>43200111 >>43227018>mulpwiki.batpony.party sunsetting scheduled for Q1 2027>Twibooru server migration successful; hosting costs lowered, performance increased, and storage enlarged by 80%>Quad9 DNS block of FoalFetch successfully appealed>Twibooru swaps frontend server for improved load management>Twibooru importer/image processor experiences difficulties: long-term fix for missed images pending>Ponerpics enables Cloudflare Under Attack Mode following mass influx of scrapers>PonePaste database dumps exhibit corruption; third-party scraper set up to compensate+Twibooru fixes nginx failure with new sysadmin's help+IWIFTP restores hidden service+Pony.Tube clears registration queue of approx. 200 spam requestsPrevious thread: >>43450598
>>43544504Why is the past fast section oldest to newest instead of newest to oldest
>>43544928That's the way it's been since this general's inception as the Derpibooru Alternative Thread over 6 years ago. I feel it fits: the news section serves as a record of how things developed over time. Reading from oldest to newest lets you follow events in linear order, with context for later updates appearing before them.For added visual clarity, I've been greentexting older news items and marking fresh ones with plus signs starting with thread #110.
this creature is amusing, also retarded.
>>43545149It's always fun seeing how quick they go from>frick you nahtzee chuds I'm going to derpito>frick you derpi for not doing anything about those nahtzee chuds
Why doesn't pastedown support spoilers?
>>43545920What would be the use case?
>>43546248Spoilers
>>43546281I don't see the need for it. Most of the time it would make reading the green annoying.I rarely see spoilers used in greens (there isn't much green anyway).
>>43546326But it would be nice to have the same functionalities as 4chinz
Speaking of PonePaste. Now there are 5 pull requests.
>>43546248Rendering parity with this site. If someone wants to spoiler a punchline, or an author's note, let him do so.>>43546326One could take a page out of TV Tropes' playbook and implement a "reveal all spoilers" button if hovering over a few black bars is that big of a hassle.
>>43546737But would anyone use it? There are barely any writefags left.
>Russian gov't now bombs Ukrainian data centersdo we have anything poniponi hosted in UA besides firlin's websites? I'm petty sure they are hosted via github pages anyway...
>>43547644FIsn't firlin one of the only artists who still posts to the altboorus?
>>43548074>Isn't firlin one of the only artists who still posts to the altboorus?yep, although I wouldn't call his vectorslop "art" as he personally doesn't like to call himself like. Hope he's doing alright
Filly Filly Filly Filly oh Filly Filly Filly Filly come and dilly and dally round and round. You were once another but now you are Filly Filly Filly Filly.
>>43547204I'd use it
Ok, I think I'm calling it for my weekday uploads to poner. Internal server error. AGAIN. I'm at my limit for this shit. 2000+ uploads is good enough. I'm kind of on a schedule, you know? Nice fucking website THAT THE OWNER DOESNT FUCKING CHECK OR MAINTAIN. FUCK YOU LOTUS
>>43548722MIA for like a month already
Well, if you ever need any help you know where to find me.
Okay. After internal server errors last night, Pupper has admitted that we need a much stronger server. The increase in bot traffic is so great that the current server clearly cannot handle it.I don’t know when the move will happen, but I expect soon.>>43549310And I love you too random citizen
>>43550566Why not just use Cuckflare at max anti-bot setting, at least for the time being?
>>43550566>we need a much stronger server. The increase in bot trafficYou know that the bots will just hit it even harder right?I tried the same, started increasing the allowed bandwidth, number of CPU cores. Once the bots figured out they can scrape harder, they did.What you need is some way to disrupt bot traffic.
>>43550690how DO you run a site without getting assraped by scrapers in current year?
>>43550317I think he's still trying to fillymaxx or something like that. I remember that fillymaxxing thread that popped up earlier this month but I didn't put two and two together until now. I have no idea if it's ironic or not.I think it's not.
>>43551690Life would be so much nicer if we could all just filly.>VNR
>>43545149>look inside>dogshit art
>>43550317I've been talking with him in a private Discord and he's just kind of done with /mlp/ and the fandom in general. Too much bitching with little to nothing he gets in return. He said he kind of "understands what those flag waving retards are on about now" (his words not mine)
>>43552769FUD or Faggot, call it
And so FUD it was.
>>43550690>implying Lotus and pupper know what the fuck they're doingThis is the same guy who ran the alternative panel. Literally implementing fixes and then leaving IT THE NEXT WEEK. Like with the April fool's shit. You come back for one day, change some text and colors and leave it until NEXT FUCKING YEAR. YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHEN YOUR SITE GOES DOWN. What the actual fuck are you doing? Swallow your ego and ask Filly how he made his site not have INTERNAL SERVER ERRORS.And you're a fucking faggot, ignoring the guy who is single handedly keeping your site alive because even he wonders where the fuck you are?? Don't you realize the site is in such a shitty state that he asks if you're fucking alive? YOU DONT EVEN MATCH DERPI'S IMAGE NUMBERS, WHICH IS THE ENTIRE POINT OF PONER. Nobody does the community shit anymore. Ponerpics is nothing but a subpar copy of derpi now. You're fucking useless.
>>43552563i-is that a fluffy pony?
Who is ponepastes new sysadmin?
>>43552769So goodbye twibooru, ponepaste, foalfetch, ponytube, ponesocial ?
>>43552769ask if he's willing to hand it over to a different admin?
>>43554029Kind of crazy how much of the alternative site community relies on a single guy huh?
What do you guys think the biggest barrier to entries there are for people hosting pony sites (boorus, etc.)?>Cost>The technical aspect>Finding trustworthy staff/volunteers>Time>Deciding where to host>Other?
>>43554675as the marecult admin put it, the "roving barbarians of the internet", i.e. defending against bots and actual threat actors.
>>43554675>costHighly depends on the size. Some sites cost barely more than what you pay for the domain. Some costs thousands a month.>The technical aspectAgain, depends on the site. Simpler ones can be hosted by using premade services.>Finding trustworthy staff/volunteersThis is not easy. But do you even need staff?>TimeIf you are a neet you have all the time. Simpler sites don't take more than a few hours of your life a month. Complex ones need all.>Deciding where to hostFor some site it's not an issue at all. For others it is a huge issue. Again, depends on what you want to host.>OtherKeeping it alive. Without content, people won't visit (you)r site. Just look at how many mlp focused blogs exists and how dead 99% of them are.
>>43554681>actual threat actorsHow many are a real threat and not just a schizo with unsupervised internet access (see: the cbat spammer)?
>>43554675Boorus are a major time investment (wiping CP spam and other garbage that comes with allowing user submitted content) and, if you want one that can say "fuck you" to DMCA notices like Twibooru, a huge cost.
>>43554866>DMCAAll you have to do is not host it in hamburgerland.DMCA is not enforceable anywhere else. EU has something similar but it varies country by country.For example some require either a handwritten physical letter sent through a notary via registered mail, with full address and full personal identification and also proof that the given intellectual property is yours.I bet 99.999% won't go through the trouble.And even if you ignore it the person has to sue in the host country, not from the comfort of their chair.
>>43554029Half of those are actually owned by twifag so floorb being useless won't have any impact on them being available.
>>43554909If no one maintains them, that will have an impact.
>>43554910not as big of an impact as my balls will make on your chin.
>>43554914Unlike you, I'm not a faggot.
>>43554901The problem is most providers don't like it if one of their clients is a legal hassle so they'll just boot you if they get too many complaints, DMCA or otherwise.
>>43554910kAre you offering to step up?
>>43555149Many people have offered, but Floorb maintains it's too difficult without guidance from him (I'm not disparaging here, it might actually be, this is just what he has said).
>>43555149Maybe respond to my attempts to contribute, that would be a start.
>>43555156In other words he does not want to do it nor does he want anyone else doing it. Because "no one else is good enough" and "I'm not going to help figure my mess out yourself".
>>43555173>he does not want to do itCorrect>nor does he want anyone else doing it.Rather, he doesn't want to spend the time to explain to someone else how to do it.
>>43555197>here is a photo of my house I took during building>the house is in this country>here are the keys>go get a spoon from the kitchen>if you don't do it the exact way I would have done it then fuck offAlmost like Seth and EQD.
>>43550661Under Attack Mode will stop internal server errors and related problems from bots, but it will also block the bots we actually like, like Porter>>43550690If the bots scraped up until the maximum power of the server, they'd never DDoS the website. But they do DDoS websites. So the scrapers aren't scraping up to a limit, they scrape redardless. Having a stronger server will allow more room for handling traffic, bot and otherwise.Managed Challange and blocking scraper bots has an effect, and it allows me to selectively block the bots, but it hasn't been enough to stop the internal server errors.
>>43555320Does porter use the API? If the scrapers are mostly buttfucking the website using regular access you might get away with maximum CF protection on the main pages and just leaving it off for the API.
>>43555320>but it will also block the bots we actually like, like PorterYou know that you can selectively set up the WAF right?Allow all API endpoints without any limitation and at the same time use interactive challenge on normal pages.The bots are not scraping the API endpoints, as those require parameters. All they do is follow link chains.>they'd never DDoS the website. But they do DDoS websitesThey do scrape up to a limit. This limit is set to be higher than what the server is capable of serving. If you throw more resources at the problem, they will notice that the latency went down, there are less 429 responses (if you even do those), etc. Then they increase the scraping rate (limit) up until they start hitting errors/increased latency again.>and blocking scraper bots has an effectGood for you, it did absolutely nothing for me.
>>43555320>LotusWhy have you ignored all my messages for the past year+? ^:(
>>43555360I'm not sure, but I can ask. Under Attack Mode works, it's just Porter that it keeps out>>43555385>You know that you can selectively set up the WAF right?I did [i]not[/i] know that, but I'll ask Pupper and Gold and see if that's a path we can take.I can tell you that the Internal Server errors are overwhelmingly caused by one specific thing - bots using the search function and overloading elastisearch.>>43555394If you want a real answer, it's because in my day job I get phone calls, text messages, and other communications from 5-15 people that I am not meeting with, and most of what they want is either something I have no new information on or I'd have to go do investigating and come back, and if I respond to 2/3 of these communications I feel like I've accomplished something, and just as a whole it makes answering emails and messages from people less exciting...But while that's an answer, it isn't really a good answer. So... Sorry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiL2AjOtjZISend another message
>>43555415>bots using the search function and overloading elastisearchAre they actually using the search function or are they following the links of the tags which will appear as a search?I have not seen scrapers actually formulating unique search queries.
>>43555425The tags. When you load a page for a tag it prompts an Elasticsearch query. At least, that is as best as I can tell
>>43555435If it's just search that's the problem you could probably get away with only using anti-bot measures on the search requests, just like Desuarchive does now. I'd be surprised if Porter needs that functionality to upload images (and it would make most sense to me if it's just using the API, which you can leave completely unprotected anyway).
Is there even any info on place.pony shutting down? For a namefag willing to be “reached out to”, he just randomly vanished and didn’t announce anything at all when the site times out forever now.
>>43555686>I'd be surprised if Porter needs that functionality to upload imagesPorter uses the search API functionality to check if the image already exists on PonerPics, both via file hashes and image intensities.
>>43555415>Send another messageSent ^:)
>>43555708Thanks for the clarification. But that's API search and not regular search, so it should work as long as the API remains open, right?
>>43555741It should still work.
>>43555714WOO!
>>43555435>The tags.So they are just following links.You can also try setting a csrf token and redirect to the main page or another lander asking to refresh the page which sets the csrf token if there is no csrf token in the request.
>>43556225Better to run a userscript so you can keep the browser's authentication.
is csrf mandatory for any website
Is there a way to transfer my upvotes from poner to twi?
>>43558346Give this a try: https://github.com/marktaiwan/Philomena-Booru-Sync/
>>43559725It's incredible how Marker still hasn't gotten banned from furpi despite all his contributions to altboorus.
>>43554029I thought Corp was in charge of some of these?
>>43560668I don't think he really does anything except pay the bill.
Fixed some random bullshit on https://vcl.yerf.org/
>>43559725Thanks. The ponerpics cloudflare thing gave me 403 errors but I fixed it. 321/379 imported and the missed images are missing from Twibooru. It would be great if Twi to fills these holes
>>43561243Twibooru and Ponerpics don't have image parity?
>>43561296No they don't. This should be well known
>>43561229getting better and betterhover over tag list in grid view would be nice (just a simple tooltip)
>trying to contribute to ponepaste>no responseHow does one reach Filly?
>>43561615I thought the problem would fix itself whenever it appeared since they import from each other.
>>43562006They do and it doesn't fix itself because something something poner banning twiporter and something something not rechecking hashes or something
>>43562223Sounds like porter really needs a rewrite. The Ponerpics ban was ages ago.
>>43562276It's not really a rewrite. It just needs to go back through thousands of images hashes and recheck those against its own database before importing missing hashes. That and it not going down randomly
>>43561696Did you try admin@ponepaste.org?
>>43562310It really should cache what hashes it found on Twibooru and Ponerpics so it doesn't have to go over them every time it is restarted.
>>43561646Alright
>>43563002yay thanks
>>43562335I'm pretty sure he gets an email every time I open a pull request.https://github.com/Neetpone/ponepaste/pulls
>>43563141Doesn't hurt to try
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should we be concerned? also on the topic of derpibooru is there any chance of it blocking scrapers/alt sites?
>>43565011Derpi is blanketly hostile to alt burus and their staff. It should be treated as nothing less than an adversary.
>>43555699Maybe he got arrested or something
>>43565011>should we be concerned?About what? Furpi deleting people's artwork? They do that routinely, it's why the alt boorus exist in the first place.>>43565180>It should be treated as nothing less than an adversary.Based
How can I stop getting called a nazi for using Twibooru?
>>43565798Best course of action is to laugh about it and move on, optionally taking screencaps of the retardation.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HIyXgPfW80
>>43563002Another small thing: plrase make the remote IDs clickable. Where it displays the source, I can't navigate to it by one click, I have to copy the ID manually then construct the url, etc.
>>43566544ExplainI do not know where you mean
>>43566570The ID there clickable, or make it into the full url where it was imported from + clickable.Or am I missing how should I navigate to the source where it was imported from?(not an) edit:Ok so on the left side after expanding the source metadata then the site where it was imported from then clicking on the "remote url" works. Takes 3 steps. I still think making the ID there in the screenshot clickable would be great.
>>43565798Consider if using twibooru is the reason you're being called a nazi.
>>43567226Go on Manechat and post a Twibooru link. I'll wait.
>>43552769This is entirely made up. I barely even use Discord anymore. I've mainly been focusing more on my real life job recently, because I've been struggling. Also been focusing on trying to deal with my mental health issues. Sorry for the silence.>>43554426Twibooru and PonePaste currently have sysadmin help from a long-time trusted fandom friend of mine; it's one reason they've been more stable lately, because they put in the effort to fix a few long-standing issues with the way the servers were configured.>>43561696Thanks a ton for the contributions anon, I really appreciate them. I've merged most of them, I want to test the last one a bit more because I don't fully understand the code at a glance.>>43562223>poner banning twiporterHasn't been an issue for over a year I think.>>43563141I do.
>>43566570>>43567006That was an oversight, its fixed in the intended way now
>>43567507>I've merged most of themyay
>>43568105Louder!
>>43568536YAY!
>>43567287>using manechatSo the reason is you're retarded. Got it.
>>43565187that’d be surprising considering the site only had horsepussy images up for like 16hrs at the most while he was asleep.
>>43569597>use an /mlp/ con to shill your hugbox ponychan ripoff>get SWATted by horsepussy
>>43567507>mental health issuesIf Saint Terry has taught us anything, it's that brilliant programmers are rarely sane.Hope you do better. Try to stay away from train tracks.
derpi just added a proof of work captcha to the site
>>43570766
>>43570771They're using Anubis?
>>43570771>didn't even change thr default image to ponyfucking hacks
>>43570849They're the kind of people too poor to do a donation yet too spineless to just change it anyway since it cannot be legally enforced.
>>43570852>too spineless to just change it anyway since it cannot be legally enforced.wut?
>>43570962You need to donate to Anubis to be 'allowed' to change the logo. But since it's free software (forgot which license, but GPL I think) they cannot actually legally enforce that request.
>>43570963>GPLNot even that: it's 100% Cuck.
>>43570963>>43570973 this is utterly fucking retardedOnlyOffice tried to Jew people by having>AGPLv3-only with Section 7 requirement of...>"you MUST use our trademark for modified versions!">"Trademark costs rubles :^)"they couldn't enforce this nonsense in court, how the fuck is cuck-licensed piece of shitware is gonna enforce a similar requirement kek?
Instead of circlejerking and huffing your own farts over anubis not being ponified enough, how about figuring out how this is going to affect the scrapers the altboorus rely on?
>>43571299Apparently they are too fucking stupid and the API is behind this shit too. Thus scrapers are fucked.Normal developers don't put the API behind any kind of captcha. How do they expect the API clients to solve the captcha?...Ponerpics and Twibooru stopped importing from derpi.
>>43571374Hm, nevermind. The API does not seem to be behind anubis. Maybe they do have two braincells.Then it's just the usual porter/importer getting stuck or something.
>>43571374See >>43565180
>>43571394I'm not denying that.But I checked the API and it goes through without anubis getting in the way.
>>43571374>>43571392There is still the regular "I am not a robot" captcha that occasionally shows up on the Derpi API. Their API docs refer to this as a middleware challenge and the recommended course of action is to wait a little while before trying again.
>>43571473Regardless, all derpi importers are broken.My guess is they fetch the main page or something and instead of getting the expected main page back (to only import approved posts), now get the anubis stuff.
>>43572797For Twibooru's importer, the API endpoints are returning HTML instead of the expected JSON. Probably, indeed, an Anubis page. I will look into it later.
