Welcome to Chatbot AI General #193, the thread for discussing and improving AI pony chatbots.▶ MLP Botshttps://mlpchag.neocities.orgSpreadsheet (CAI bots + Old repository):https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J7BeqJVDS51cXF8Pgm2YZaFq-Z6ykSJTSillyTavern website extension: https://github.com/MLPChag/SillyTavern-Chag-SearchBunch of Character Cards (Descriptions/No Greetings):https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y6LNOCqAZAWIX-OBEv55HjlzcEdpUh-XbKCpbpL6v5kCAI bots converted to Tavern: https://files.catbox.moe/ckurq1.zipbonziPONY: https://github.com/maresmaresmares/bonziPONY!!!GALLERY!!!: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/2/folders/1Ao-h5HFGMPllSrzSBKM_BvGSiU9f0c2U▶ How do I start?1) Select a Frontend2) Select an AI model3) Select Jailbreak4) Select bots5) Lovemaking with AI mares!Starting in this hobby can be confusing and difficult. If it’s your first time and you’re lost,▶ ASK THE THREAD! ◀Novice-to-advanced guide: https://rentry.org/onrmshttps://rentry.org/sukino-findings▶ SillyTavern (preferred frontend)https://github.com/SillyTavern/SillyTavernOn Android: https://rentry.org/TermuxSTPony TTS app supporting SillyTavern: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16Ss26VBmgzcSuTGzhaHqRuyVRceTf-YB▶ More frontends:Risu: https://risuai.xyzAgnai: https://agnai.chat▶ Localshttps://rentry.org/lunarmodelexperiments>>>/g/lmg/Mistral Nemo base model fine-tuned on fimfics: https://huggingface.co/Ada321/Nemo_Pony_2/tree/main▶ JailbreaksMLP JB: https://rentry.org/znon7vxeMore JB and guides: https://rentry.org/jb-listingHypebots for Tavern: https://rentry.org/pn3hb▶ BotmakingEditors: https://agnai.chat/editorGuides: https://rentry.org/meta_botmaking_listAdvanced: https://rentry.org/AdvancedCardWritingTricks▶ MiscellaneousScrapped/Collected rentries: rentry.org/mrhdChag Arts: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/2/folders/1yfajin_hB5rW_jy6WyFjRaRfDA3EUGiJhttps://rentry.org/ChagMiscellaneoushttps://rentry.org/ChagArchivePrevious thread: >>43535824**News:**- GPT-6.1-Sol released https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-6-1-sol- Claude Opus 5.5 released https://www.anthropic.com/claude-opus-5-5, Sonnet 5.5 too: https://www.anthropic.com/claude-sonnet-5-5- Deepseek v4.1 Flash released: https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V4.1-Flash- GPT-6 Astra released: https://openai.com/index/gpt-6-astra- Gemini 3.8 Flash released: https://deepmind.google/models/model-cards/gemini-3-8-flash/
Anchor for bots, lorebooks, scenarios.Previous >>43535825
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Bots corner:>Bow Hothoof:https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=anonistrator/Bow%20Hothoof.pngScreenshots corner:Lovemaking with AI Stallions! >>43535933Opus 5.5 Test >>43535934MLH Thread Simulator >>43535944Boop >>43536189Ding! >>43536415Dyx >>43536500BJ Competition >>43537196Anon Hates Hugs >>43541003, >>43541128
Screenshots corner 2:Delusional Stallion >>43539128, >>43539346, >>43539375Grandma >>43539354Past Lesbo >>43541689Invasion >>43544388Freak >>43545026Cute Ponk >>43547296Flurry Smut Log >>43547672
Screenshots corner 3:Twilight Smut Log >>43547687Blueblood Smut Log >>43547701Rarara Smut Log >>43547706Ponies Doing Hard Drugs! >>43547860Miss Windy >>43548506Cleaning Up >>43548572RD's Fic >>43549963, >>43549967Least Plappable >>43551541
VN Anchor:Godot Versions:>Websitehttps://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/>Windows>Main files + Data folderhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1OEiMXN7o_QG32shGnqmy0QndVDT6nYbF/view?usp=sharing>Main files onlyhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1Fhe-OeIlNIYFFGx2FlnpuxcIkYdOFGh2/view?usp=sharing>Linux>Main files + Data folderhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vszzn8TTfXFWSQeKiFdNAAQGXfcReTJ3/view?usp=sharing>Main files onlyhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1LPlIstcgQjyXqhOl4L_ZqMPeUQW5Xn2-/view?usp=sharing>Android (Beta)>APK + Data folderhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1WB08tguZa1PD1frJKdo7IxlGsp4XR0Wp/view?usp=sharing>APK onlyhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1nPOSGufXi_-PjmjaKES9waJ6HZZOcL9V/view?usp=sharing>Mac>Full Gamehttps://u.pone.rs/lcblgjjf.zip>Update Onlyhttps://u.pone.rs/qolpovci.zipBug reports or requests:https://scrumboy.com/je1fqcsjSource code:https://gitlab.com/ponyponyparadise/equestrai>PoneTTS Release>>43548877>Impression Modhttps://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/mods#impressionsMod>Reaction Mod https://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/mods#reactionsModNightmare AU (Renpy/Godot)https://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/mods#nightmareModG5 Worldmaphttps://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/mods#g5ModAnons' mods (Dashie mod, Nightmare AU, new cities, Calendar):https://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/modsCustom characters:https://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/charactersVN logs:Strawberry's Apple Opinion >>43535958Changelings >>43536083Oral Fixation >>43537750Wut >>43537801Big Bug >>43537836Big Pones >>43537839New Daddy >>43538617Hunt for the Blue November >>43538853Luckette >>43539947
VN logs 2:Soaking Wet and Clueless >>43539645, >>43539659Monster in the Well >>43540059EQG MOD! >>43540666Where Do Babies Come From? >>43541106Angry Luna >>43542206Luna Before NMM >>43542218Stairs >>43542888RD's Mom >>43545241
VN logs 3: Wings >>43545338, >>43549208Blueblood Catching Strays >>43545443Mommy >>43545576Mirror of Truth >>43546331Morning Following a Drunken Night >>43547386Zephyr Gets the Rope >>43548397Bet >>43548758Yuri? >>43549490Blown Valve >>43550562
VN logs 4: Changeling Homicide Rates >>43551019Nightmare Flutters >>43551113, >>43551171Wise One >>43551614Minions Did It >>43551653Ponk's Gone Wild >>43551679, >>43551692
Guide for Newcomers:Install SillyTavern:github.com/SillyTavern/SillyTavernModels and Explanations:rentry.org/sukino-findings#if-you-want-to-use-an-online-ai
>>43552286Full res of the OP image:https://u.pone.rs/pcsgwdkr.png
Lovemaking with AI mares!
Happy 4 year anniversary, bros. Here's to many more years of lovemaking with AI mares./)
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>>43552286>>43552319Incredibly cute. Love all the little references.
>>43552286happy 4th anniversary, /chag/ glad to be along for the ride even though I only recently discovered the thread.
>>43552362Are you the anon who posts the MLH logs?I hope the card is ready soon if so!
Today I think I will UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH,set up a massive lorebook for my Princess Molestia{{user}} goonbot.
>>43552286Is that the docker whale in the back there?
>>43552410Deepseek logo
>>43552411Never used it, pretty much stick with Gemini 2.5
>>43552425I'm safe now.
>>43552426Good log
>>43552425The face of>rape
>>43552376>start testing>get my first ever refusal from DeepSeekI guess I went a bit too far huh
>>43552584Sneed is unfiltered, is it not? Have you got anything jailbreak-y in your prompt that might cause it to confabulate a filter?
What context size is the best spot? Maxing just seems to still make the AI forget so I should stop being lazy and add stuff to memory.
>>43552591What model are you using?Between 25–40K is a good spot for most models.Some like Opus 4.6 can go above.
T sleepover system does not track dynamic location changes which leads to leads to the rather unfortunate consequence that you cannot invite ponies back to your house and have them stay the night.Conversely if you start an encounter at a spot where a sleepover is permitted, that stays regardless if the scene goes elsewhere. Pic related, we're apparently going to go snooze in the fountain. Choosing this has AJ suggesting we go back to my place, but I have not tested what would happen if the initial cast leaves and new ponies arrive, then the sleepover is initiated.
>>43552590Nope, same lean ~500 token preset as ever that has been my happy guide for the past months with Dipsy. Was there an update or something?
>>43552268Anon, we already have a preview of the location and the ability to easily edit it ingame. This looks way worse than the existing system.>>43552584>>43552590Dipsy is 100% unfiltered.Depending on what actually returned it's either possible that as anon said you have jailbreak nonsense which is telling it to hallucinate a refusal (although I that's more an 07/08 problem and 4.1 doesn't really do it IME) or you got redirected to anthropic or someone else. Or you're not using the official API and the provider has their own filters, of course, though I haven't heard many stories about that.>>43552591Depends entirely on model. DS (and I think opus etc.) more or less solved context poisoning where the model just gets retarded past 100k. What do you mean by AI forget? As in, what are you doing exactly? You shouldn't really run into that in continuous chats. The VN has a tendency to make DS repeat stuff very closely and not remember what happened if you let default prompts play out but if you give a non-default activity when you enter the scene or turn off some of the visit context additions it shouldn't have an issue.
>>43552620I'm still getting by fine, but then, I don't gen fillies or >rape or those sorts of things that'd make models panic. If you're getting it through OR, check your logs and try banning the provider that's sending you the refusals.
>>43552628>Anon, we already have a preview of the location and the ability to easily edit it in-game.Yeah, but ideally I'd have something to manage them all in the main menu too.For adding to the main game, I was especially looking at:>preview of the locationbecause I know it was asked for on the Scrumboy.If I do that, I'll check for performance too. Not adding it if it taxes too much.
>>43552600I have most Opus models up from 4.5 which is the one I have been using. Will keep it in mind, thanks. >>43552628Just the AI forgetting some context that was around 50k I think. Maybe it is because of it being 4.5. Don't really know if that is the best Opus but it is the one that has been working well for me.
>>43552628Yeah but there's no preview in Q&A if you want to manually change location.This lets you see the location background and description in one click from any chat.I'm sure the VN anon can think of a better solution if they want, but if anything I personally think the current method involves way too many clicks.Besides, this doesn't replace *anything* it's an extra feature sort of thing.And, to be honest, this lets you go through them way faster than through the map...The main point of this mod was to add the overlay on sprites anyway, this was just an easier way to implement that for more streamlined usage.I will admit one thing, somehow the preset shit doesn't work on that version.For anyone interested, here's a fixed version:https://u.pone.rs/npwvnuri.rar
>>43552611>The sleepover system does not track dynamic location changes, which leads to the rather unfortunate consequence that you cannot invite ponies back to your house and have them stay the night.It should. Just tested it: met Pinkie during the Afternoon at Town Square, dynamically moved to my house, and the button is there.>Conversely, if you start an encounter at a spot where a sleepover is permitted, that stays regardless of whether the scene goes elsewhere.>Pic related, we're apparently going to go snooze in the fountain.Kek. It's sort of intentional. For small stuff, for example, where you start at AJ's farm and then go to the barn or the row of apple trees, etc.Or let's say you started at the Golden Oak Library with Twilight, then went to an evening picnic on the lake and had a nice romantic scene. You want to return to sleep at the tree without forcibly roleplaying coming back to town then to the tree, so you press the button.It will bring you back to the logical place to sleep and should give you a good narrative too.>I have not tested what would happen if the initial cast leaves and new ponies arrive, then the sleepover is initiated.There are several possibilities:>Started at Sweet Apple Acres with AJ, went to let's say Town Hall with AJ, RD arrives, AJ leavesThe button disappears because AJ, who is the owner of the farm, isn't there anymore.>Started at Sweet Apple Acres with AJ, went to Carousel Boutique with AJ, Rarity is there.The current location takes precedence over the one that was registered before, so the invitation is for Rarity's place.I'm sure there can be some fuckery with some combinations, but overall that's how it goes.
>>43552620>>43552628 (me)Alright, I'm 99% sure we're getting redirected to Claude (or someone else, but this wording feels like claude in my extremely inexpert opinion). Specifically using the wording that is most likely to trigger filters:On the left: two attempts with the exact same instruction, authors note and main promptOn the right: same thing, but me cropping the thinking block and adding the last line then hitting 'continue', otherwise identicalNote that the thinking in the bottom left uses>The user's underlying needwhich I haven't really seen from Flash 4.1, so I'm inclined to say that this isn't DS and the chinks are redirecting us to the other models. I guess this might be opus 5.5 or whatever getting harvested for responses to DS usersSo uhdon't change anything just wait for the storm to pass I guess.
>>43552286Damn, 4 years already? We should do an Event for the anniversary! Is there any interest in that and if so what sort of theme would y'all be interested in?>>43552319Love your art bug!
>>43552290https://x.com/OfficialLoganK/status/2105388054274080946/>Introducing Gemini 4 Argon, our new frontier model, rolling out to cyber defenders starting today, and more widely as soon as possible. I am really excited by the progress we have made here. Argon is priced at $2 in and $10 out during introductory pricing!
>>43552772pure corpo slop with a use only in coding? though who knows, maybe thats just how they are selling it.
>>43552772Finally.
>>43552734>don't change anything just wait for the storm to pass I guess.It will only get worse, anon.
>>43552734Modern chinkbots are mostly made of distilled Claude, famously to the point that they'll often tell you that they're Claude if you ask them to identify their own make and model. That's why they sometimes throw out Claude-like refusals, despite not actually having the real Claude's safeguarding; it's just the heaps of Claude gens in their training data inclining them to respond how Claude would respond. It's not exactly bulletproof. Getting 'filtered' by one means that you've just gotta keep swiping until the token distribution lands in your favour.
Good sign. The one writing benchmark that lines up with my own tastes
>>43552758>Is there any interest in that and if so what sort of theme would y'all be interested in?Don't know about the theme, but I wouldn't mind making bots for anons.Even without an event, I'll at least try to release some this thread.
>>43552820Anon part of the way that they distill claude is by literally serving the user to claude/claude to the user. If you've used DS for a long time you'd have seen other days where you get refusals every few messages (or 90% of messages if you use a sufficiently aggressive prompt like I did) combined with a general spike in sloppiness.Like nothing that you're saying is wrong but I don't think that the possibility that some of the refusals weren't DS responses is pretty high. Like I said, "user's underlying need" is a phrasing that DS has given me for over a month, so while of course it's possible that nothing changed I do think something was probably happening.
>Four yearsWew. Doesn't feel that long ago I was blown away by char.ai. Then the Anni came around which limited my usage before the lobotomy kek
>>43553083I remember when consensual NSFW got filtered, but rape worked perfectly fine lol
>>43552307https://u.pone.rs/vsuojowd.wav
>>43553172Nice
>>43553175I'm irked. The web interface and ST behave fine, but the VN outputs are a constant challenge.
>>43553197What makes the difference exactly?
Is there any source for gemini flash? I'm a rocket jump nigga, but lately it's always crowded and can't be used...
>>43553450which specific version of flash? one of my newapi ones might have it
>>43553512Anyone. To be honest, after 3.1 I don't notice any difference at all
>>43553540my shit should have it then, do you have a burner i can send it to?
>>43553542adlgit@proton.me
>>43553554sent
>>43553542would it be possible for you to share it to me as well? I honestly dont know what to do ever since my source of gemini dried up weeks agoI'll put my burner just in case, kramfaust@proton.me
>>43553584sent
I out autism'd the femcel mare.
>>43553604thanks and much appreciated, anon
Is there a way to install PPP on Android without rooting the device to place the /data/ folder?
is anyone still using *******link.com source that was shared here a few weeks ago? im just now using it and its giving me garbled responses
>>43553660You need to do that.https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/43311664/#43322107I don't believe you need to root your phone.>>43553722Yeah, it's fucked.>>43553606Cute.
>>43553722turn off streaming
>>43553743thanks, this worked! i was trying to find the issue myself before asking but i never thought of just turning off streaming
>>43552772Well, I guess >>43547899 was right.>>43552776Gemini 3.8 was mostly sold for similar uses: https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/models-and-research/gemini-models/3-8-flash-and-3-8-flash-cyber/But that's just because it's where the money is. My RP/writing experience with Gemini 3.8 has still been one of the best among the Gemini models, or even AI models in general in terms of raw writing quality & slopiness levels (except, y'know, during those periods when Google servers are shitting themselves)>>43552820One thing I do that help avoid Chinese models hallucinating themselves into Claude-like behaviors is to directly name the model, the company who trained it, and the provider in the system prompt.It is not 100% reliable, I still get refusals, but it helps steer the token probs in the right direction more often without using heavy jailbreaks that are increasingly likely to trigger the models' prompt injection detection (which itself is heavily trained on Claude so it can cause backfire)
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>>43553969It's the Flutterrape card, so it's alright
>>43553218Its due to how the VN sends requests. There's an emotion strength tag that gets sent with each line, whereas by default the webUI defaults to neutral unless otherwise specified. I'm still playing with that side of things.
>>43552293Anyone willing to help correct lack of tatzlpony bots?
>>43552307>why is this so hot
>>43554002Tia would never.
is gemini shitting the bed for anyone else?
>>43554083the last few days, yeah.
>>43554086it's gotten especially bad today, incomprehensible stream of consciousness babble
>>43554092Gemini 4 SOON.>>43552772So it will be like this for old models for a bit too.Small company, please understand.
>>43554095>Gemini 4 SOON.It is worthless to me if my provider does not have it. I've felt the same with Claude desu.
Anthropic is taking Sonnet 4.5 out back on November 24th.
any plans on adding other wild creatures beside Timberwolfs
Is fable 5.1 an upgrade compared to 5.0 or more like a sidegrade?
Woops. That's what happens when you have two AI threads open at the same time.
>>43554257An update, I guess? But both aren't that great for RPs, IMO. Still, if you liked Fable 5, you should like 5.1.I find Opus 5.5 better than both if you have access.>>43554376Wrong general.
Testing a Windy card. I don't know if the modesty line is a post-correction thing or not, but it's cute and fits the show.
>>43554398ask her about it.
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>>43553987I'm on it anon
>>43552319Amarezing, there's so much history in a single pic. I had missed ya mare.
