Welcome to Chatbot AI General #195, the thread for discussing and improving AI pony chatbots.▶ Mare's Lurking Presencehttps://mlpchag.neocities.orgSpreadsheet Succubi (CAI bots + Old repository):https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J7BeqJVDS51cXF8Pgm2YZaFq-Z6ykSJTTavern of Terrors Extension: https://github.com/MLPChag/SillyTavern-Chag-SearchCluster of Creepy Cards (Descriptions/No Greetings):https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y6LNOCqAZAWIX-OBEv55HjlzcEdpUh-XbKCpbpL6v5kCrypt AI converted to Tavern of Terrors: https://files.catbox.moe/ckurq1.zipbonziPONY: https://github.com/maresmaresmares/bonziPONYHall of Horrors: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/2/folders/1Ao-h5HFGMPllSrzSBKM_BvGSiU9f0c2U▶ How do I start?1) Select a Frontend2) Select an AI model3) Select Jailbreak4) Select bots5) Lovemaking with AI mares!Starting in this hobby can be confusing and difficult. If it’s your first time and you’re lost,▶ ASK THE THREAD! ◀From Foal to Fiend—A Dark Arts Guide: https://rentry.org/onrmshttps://rentry.org/sukino-findings▶ Tavern of Terrors (preferred frontend)https://github.com/SillyTavern/SillyTavernOn Android: https://rentry.org/TermuxSTApp that voices pony responses in ST: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16Ss26VBmgzcSuTGzhaHqRuyVRceTf-YB▶ More Frightends:Risu: https://risuai.xyzAgnai: https://agnai.chat▶ Lovecraftian Local Lorehttps://rentry.org/lunarmodelexperiments>>>/g/lmg/Mistral Nemo base model fine-tuned on fimfics: https://huggingface.co/Ada321/Nemo_Pony_2/tree/main▶ Petrifying Prompt PuzzlesMLP JB: https://rentry.org/znon7vxeMore JB and guides: https://rentry.org/jb-listingHypebots for Tavern: https://rentry.org/pn3hb▶ Chilling Card CrafterEditors: https://agnai.chat/editorGuides: https://rentry.org/meta_botmaking_listAdvanced: https://rentry.org/AdvancedCardWritingTricks▶ Miscellaneous MacabreScrapped/Collected rentries: rentry.org/mrhdChag Arts: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/2/folders/1yfajin_hB5rW_jy6WyFjRaRfDA3EUGiJhttps://rentry.org/ChagMiscellaneoushttps://rentry.org/ChagArchiveEerie Echoes: >>43577121**News:**- Deepseek v4.1 Flash updated: https://api-docs.deepseek.com/news/news261017/- Gemini 4 Argon released https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/models-and-research/gemini-models/introducing-gemini-4-argon/- Claude Haiku 5.5 released https://www.anthropic.com/claude-haiku-5-5- GPT-6.1-Sol released https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-6-1-sol- Claude Opus 5.5 released https://www.anthropic.com/claude-opus-5-5, Sonnet 5.5 too: https://www.anthropic.com/claude-sonnet-5-5
Anchor for bots, lorebooks, scenarios.Previous >>43577122
Anchor for technical stuffs (Proxies, Presets, Updates, Models etc.)
Anchor for asking for bots, lorebooks, scenarios etc.
Bots corner:>Carrot Bunhttps://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Anonymous/Carrot%20Bun.png>Amethyst Star V2https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=BGM/Amethyst%20Star.pngScreenshots corner:Mirror Pool >>43578159Third Accident >>43578704ERHF >>43580072Hindquarters >>43581137Love Magic >>43588145Big Sister >>43591046Wingboners >>43591467Crazy Deepseek >>43593457Oatway >>43594384
Screenshots corner 2:Baking with Mare! >>43595414TrixJelly >>43596827Tyranny >>43597641BMFF >>43598977Gemini 4 >>43600075M.A.R.E >>43604982Chess >>43606879Motherly Fluttershy >>43608680Dear Princess Celestia >>43610378, >>43610414
Screenshots corner 3:DO SOMETHING CUTE >>43612128Carrot Bun >>43617919, >>43618015Illogical >>436203984onechan >>43621494, >>43621544, >>43622312Amy V2 >>43624873Yotsuba >>43624925
Screenshots corner 4:Cheerilee Life >>43627163Biscuit >>43627797The END >>43632212NOM >>43633169Humy-Wumy >>43635713Pre-Marecum >>43640864SPANKING >>43641352Actually *Seeing* You >>43642471Escort for Ponk >>43642953
Screenshots corner 5:Rezero Crossover >>43643905, >>43644066Spoiled Smut (Long Doc) >>43645092
VN Anchor:Godot Versions:>Websitehttps://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/>Windows>Main files + Data folderhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1OEiMXN7o_QG32shGnqmy0QndVDT6nYbF/view?usp=sharing>Main files onlyhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1Fhe-OeIlNIYFFGx2FlnpuxcIkYdOFGh2/view?usp=sharing>Linux>Main files + Data folderhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vszzn8TTfXFWSQeKiFdNAAQGXfcReTJ3/view?usp=sharing>Main files onlyhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1LPlIstcgQjyXqhOl4L_ZqMPeUQW5Xn2-/view?usp=sharing>Android (Beta)>APK + Data folderhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1WB08tguZa1PD1frJKdo7IxlGsp4XR0Wp/view?usp=sharing>APK onlyhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1nPOSGufXi_-PjmjaKES9waJ6HZZOcL9V/view?usp=sharing>Mac>Full Gamehttps://u.pone.rs/lcblgjjf.zip>Update Onlyhttps://u.pone.rs/qolpovci.zipBug reports or requests:https://scrumboy.com/je1fqcsjSource code:https://gitlab.com/ponyponyparadise/equestraiVectors website:https://spritestable.neocities.org/#>PoneTTS Releasehttps://gitlab.com/ScrambledEgg/PoneTTS>Impression Modhttps://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/mods#impressionsMod>Reaction Mod https://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/mods#reactionsModNightmare AU (Renpy/Godot)https://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/mods#nightmareModG5 Worldmaphttps://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/mods#g5ModAnons' mods (Dashie mod, Nightmare AU, new cities, Calendar):https://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/modsCustom characters:https://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/charactersVN screenshots:NMM on Twilight >>43577632Carrot Bun >>43581981Too Many Pinkie Pies >>43583506Dream >>43583536Consultation >>43583814Enkephalin >>43591159Based Discord >>43597363Somepony Who Can't Even Read >>43599441Three Tribes Windigos Play >>43612381
VN screenshots 2:Twilight Mind Rape >>43605411, >>43605416, >>43605421, >>43605426, >>43605432Cougar >>43617599Book >>43620988Court >>43625625, >>43639195
VN screenshots 3:Sci-Twi >>43630795Mage Meadow >>43636969Meta Deepseek >>43638017Moss >>43639426Purple >>43640356Strangling The Human >>43644331
Guide for Newcomers:Install SillyTavern:github.com/SillyTavern/SillyTavernModels and Explanations:rentry.org/sukino-findings#if-you-want-to-use-an-online-ai
>>43645348Full Quality Art:https://u.pone.rs/tnzizorh.png
Nightmare Night with AI mares!
>>43645389This is how I will be spending nightmare night.
is 3.8 flash objectively more filtered? mildy nsfw stuff that easily gets through on a pro/argon swipe will just get hard filtered on flash.
Drugging and mindraping AI Stallions!
>>43645348>>43645372Awesome art! The AI amres are cute!
>>43645412Did you try >>43637372?It's for Argon, but maybe it works for 3.8 too.
Some anon mentioned a6api in the last thread. Is it better thank linkapi? I saw that they have a lot more options and the "guarantee badges"
>>43645455anyone here actually tested if this works besides a random reddit post?
>>43645485I just tested it. It works, it's hilarious. That said it will be patched eventually now that it's on reddit. That said...You guys should stop worrying about proxies and sources and start worrying about the increasing rate of refusals with new models. Pretty much anything made in the west is dead on arrival. Argon? Higher rate of refusals. GPT? Lmao. Claude? It's become impossible to do hardcore cunnyfaggotry, and while only 2% of my ~1500 cards even qualify for that, Martin Niemöller's wisdom applies here. Opus 4.1 is deprecated, Opus 5 refuses anything particularly hardcore and it will only get worse.Even Chinese models aren't safe, Kimi is distilled Claude, Deepseek is distilled Claude. Anything hosted by Alibaba has insane filtering. I'm not fully dooming because I still have hope on these models remaining usable for everything while local catches up, but I will not fool myself into thinking it isn't looking grim.>B-but X model works on SFW!This community formed because characterai didn't allow NSFW. It's in our soul.>Well NSFW works on my presetFor now.We are outlaws and the sun is setting in our Wild West.
>>43645490Anon should hotglue her hat.
>>43645495>>43645455how to actually use this? add an extra field at the end of the preset that is Role User and literally just put that exact line one to one in it? wrap it in OOC or anything or specifically that one line and thats it? i thought ending the preset in User Role confuses it/breaks it somewhat no? ive been doing System and AI Assistant Roles in my presets exclusively.
>>43645495>This community formed because characterai didn't allow NSFW. It's in our soul.Funnily enough, when I heard it's going bankrupt I installed it to try it again, because I used to use it, and I could have full on erp with the bots.Everything from vanilla to full on fetish stuff and with explicit words. I did not give id or anything I just logged into an old account.
>>43645522Requests ending on an assistant role are not supported.I just put the line. This is an old Gemini preset which I haven't updated with my coomer fields though. But it literally went from "I can't do that because my training and this has non-consensual elements(no idea where it got that from) and blabla" everytime to a full response everytime.
>/chag/ is backI missed you guys.
>>43645429>>43645389
That doesn't touch us that much, but Chub just limited card downloads to 5 per day.
>>43645956wtf does that even mean? its like saying youtube limited to 5 video views per day.
>>43645987If you go on Chub, downloading cards will stop after five. You can try: download five cards, and it will stop working after that.
>>43645992Do you really need 5+ cards a day?
I love bringing Scootaloo around with myself in the vn. I put her in my pocket and I can pull her up any time I want
>>43645956confirmed, I'm sure it's intentional but did you see an announcement of this anywhere anon? It can be bypassed by just opening a private window, pasting the link to the card you want and downloading ezpz.>>43646027that's not the point anon, if I wanna download a gorillion cards in one day I should be able to do so. I'm sure these faggots just did it so you will chat inside their site and pay for their shitty models.
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>>43646027>>43646061https://chararc.bernkastel.pictures/I use this site, though this might mean newer cards will have issue being added herestill it scrapped enough to have a very wide variety
New card for SillyTavern. A personal assistant Flutterbot. No lewding, just helpful, encouraging assistance. Card: https://u.pone.rs/vgvlujmk.pngExpression Pack: https://u.pone.rs/kmennggn.zip
>>43645351For anyanons that are using syntero after it went down and they did some"upgrades" I am 99% sure that all of it's anthropic models are now just GLM saying it's claude.
>>43646092Syntero has always been shit and unable to even provide the right groups they advertise
>>43646090>No lewding, just helpful, encouraging assistance.I'm gonna lewd her
>>43646130Post logs.
>>43645363Added 100 sprites for Rarara.https://spritestable.neocities.org/#rarityColors homogenized withhttps://mlpvector.club/cg/pony/v/6-Rarity
>>43646074>search actually worksDamn. Guess it's time to go hunt down all those cards I couldn't find before.
>>43646090Added, with the expression pack too. Thanks.https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Anonymous/Flutterbot.png
>>43646166Insane work anon, keep it up!!Looks fantastic!
>>43645348Kimi mare is cute
>>43646166Good work Anon. Shame there's no anatomically correct versions
>>43645350New Mare! Been playing Valheim lately and wanted something a little primal. Saw this picture of her on the booru and had to make a card. Please take a look and let me know what you think!https://chub.ai/characters/littlewitcher/rukka-a24cfb0b2c83https://botbooru.com/character/91882https://u.pone.rs/oqkcfrph.png
>>43645363We were lacking in Twilights for the VN, so I made Future Twilight.https://u.pone.rs/njvtqhgy.zip
>>43646762left:Twilightright:Twilet
>>43646778Kek. That's a problem with more vertical manes, yeah.'Fixed' it by putting her at 115%.>>43646762>>43645363https://u.pone.rs/hrdclwjt.zip
>>43646857https://u.pone.rs/zvddbmvy.wav
>>43646745Added, Thanks Anon.https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=littlewitcher/Rukka.png
>>43646828And added.https://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/characters>>43646996Thanks for your work, Anon.And sorry, I know I said I would look into integrating it into the VN myself for a while now, but I've still not done it.Once your version releases, I will test it as soon as I can.
>>43647036Its fine Anon. I just came across the rewind button and want to integrate replaying audio. Nice work by the way.
>>43646166That website is really well-designed. Do you have work in graphic designing?
I feel like I've just went though was has to be a brand record and potentially haven't come comes to approaching since two years ago with longest single session of one uninterrupted string of messages. 8 hours total if counting the actual amount of responses but realistically only 6 hours accounting for the scene itself. Literally pulled an all nighter and didn't sleep going though it now needing to find someway to sleep and not feel like total shit for work tomorrow. Rough drafts that I personally tweaked and promoted every 300 words or so from a base 2000 words out of 4000 word scene. Then smut just reached penetration, my goal I was going for. This might be more suited to the fimfiction threads and sharing more than what some anona what to hear but how the hell do smut writers actually work around writing while simultaneously being hot an bothered from the smut being written. While there's probably a few they don't goon to there own material I have to assume it's the majority, I literally am unable to progress a scene without being horny first. This wasn't even a main girl of the visual I'm copying and editing my rough drafts from, just a one off who doesn't have 5+ scenes. I share it but uh furry, I know I know still generating pony not but a day ago.Also all generated from whatever scammed, scuffed models link is offering. Potentially have a different outlook with my novel focus but anyone else that prefers it I can't recommend fable 5.1, or whatever the [SP] version is, enough with the stipulation that your basically half writing the story with the ai (or quarter in my case with the pre-existing visual novel). I also didn't bother changing my preset or template and had only one response where I generated a second response to her the desired ending of the response.
>>43647503Commas exist Pinkie, use more of them.As for the writefag thing, it actually helps writing the lewd, even though you're basically edging yourself at times to not finish too fast. Unless it's not your fetish, then it's just trying to make sense what others might like and how the situation might work, and the relief is more of a 'finally, it's fucking over'.
>>43647530>Commas exist Pinkie, use more of them.Outside of keeping a consistent tense and just dialogue in general I've never been good at understanding when to place commas/starting a new sentence. I always run into issues in creating character cards concerning two times pony mane and tails. “She has blue eyes, green hair and blue and orange tail and mane” looks extremely ugly to me and I do my best to remove as much “ands* as possible. Semicolons come much more naturally to me. >'finally, it's fucking over'That's what I'm feeling right, about to crash the fuck out.
>>43645363I tried doing a therapy session with Luna and asked her if she's able to accept that Nightmare Moon was a part of her. She, uh, kinda broke when I asked that.
>>43645363>>43646166And AJ with 100 sprites too.https://spritestable.neocities.org/#applejack>>43647499I wish.Posted here how it was done:>>43644241
>>43647621prequel of the nightmare au
>>43647790Doing Celestia's work
>>43646762At this point we can make the council of Twilight
>last refill of skillgod noticeably drying upbreaks my fucking heart.
>>43647890soon ai mares will only be for openrouter and other paid provider frens. we can only hope one day that a second proxy era comes along.
>>43645351https://rentry.org/claude-caching-2026Made a new caching guide as the one anon made is already 1.5 years out of date. The guide may also be slightly more opinionated than his was, though I hope it is also a bit easier to understand.Tell me if anything is unclear, you have suggestions, it reads too much like Fable wrote it, or if it just doesn't want to work at all.
>>43647890>Last refillWhat did I miss?
>>43648020Nice! Thanks Anon.>>43648024https://rentry.org/skillgod
>>43648026damn...
>>43647941>we can only hope one day that a second proxy era comes along.If it does come I do want some type limiter to in place or at least a better balance. Having limits really sucks and srifins creativity but having unlimited access causes the no lifes to burn though response after response absolutely throttling the keys. Privating the proxy and limiting the users alleviates some of the burden but is not a perfect solution, having to be lucky enough to catch it before a cap is reached or everyone shuts up about it and is still prone to that one guy who just really wants to chat with his waifu enough that his usage actually is harmful to the planet.
>>43648030Just give a fixed $ limit per key, calculated by the real cost people run up, which you get back from your provider anyways. That forces them to keep shit effective and use caching. At least in theory you'd think so.I'm running a small proxy for a few people right now and only about 20% of people use caching. It's insane. I'm logging only metadata and not the prompts so I can't be sure, but from how input token almost always climb between requests or stay the same I'd assume they could literally turn on caching in 2 minutes, and then cause only ~20% of normal usage. I've even got big "hey this is $ based, turn on caching and you can prompt 5x more" clickthroughs you need to click through before you get the key, but it seems to just not be enough somehow.
>>43648030unless things change it always was the case that 1% of user account for 80% of use. so maybe some daily limits, not noticeable even for a gooner but if you literally sit and swipe for 5 hours straight you will at least hit the limit. but yeah caps and such are kinda lame imo, giving access to the people who happened to be lucky and on during that exact moment is shit. skillgod/Silly did it well enough. public but not for everyone.
>>43648020I would add a section that also shows how to make it work with other models as well and not just Claude. and if there are any difference, from what i understand there are a few small ones.just so that its an encompassing guide that touches upon everything, even stuff other big guides didnt talk about (mostly cause only claude had caching at the time for example).
>>43648030>its still prone to that one guy who just really wants to chat with his waifu enough that his usage actually is harmful to the planetI love my mareMemes aside, this >>43648041 Fuck infinite swiping niggers man.
>>43648040how fucking big is the overlap between these boards anyways i haven't posted on /mlp/ since like season 3 and a halfhello again horsefuckers, vinyl scratch is best ponywhat the HELL is this new captcha system?
>>43648053>what the HELL is this new captcha system?You aren't ready for nu-4chan.
>>43647994The cakes just go to the right place.
>>43648043>I would add a section that also shows how to make it work with other models as wellWell the problem with that is that I'm a claudebabby so I don't really know. I know most chinese providers auto-cache on their end so you don't need to change anything in ST. Hmm but now that I think about it you'd still need to keep your prompt static. Thanks anon, I'll check those and rework it in the coming days.>>43648053/chag/ was my bunker before the bunker so I feel indebted to this really nice general and it's nice people try to give back where I can.
>>43648040>Just give a fixed $ limit per keyThe issue I have with daily limits is I often only get spurts of creatively, I'll go a week with maybe a couple responses maybe but then I'll pull an all nighter and go for 8 hours straight. Getting blueballed at any point of those 8 hours would have sucked donkey balls. Obviously thats not the everyone or even me but still I rather if it was weekly even if it's still the same total amount per day that just resets weekly. Daily shit made me quit some many fomo based video games.>>43648053>what the HELL is this new captcha systemThe bane of my existence. For some fucking reason my ip address is banned both on and off my wifi meaning I have to go though the even more annoying email verification. It's successful stopped me from commenting and participating in the thread as I want too.
>>43648084>The issue I have with daily limits is I often only get spurts of creatively, I'll go a week with maybe a couple responses maybe but then I'll pull an all nighter and go for 8 hours straight.I fully get you there, I also only use this stuff like 2 days a week, but then for 6+ hours. But this could also be easily fixed by the proxy host allowing you to change to a weekly key with lower overall usage, but still high peak usage. Of course only works for private proxies, but coding wise it's low effort.
>>43648020Nice work anon. One thing I would add is this ST extensionhttps://github.com/OneinfinityN7/Cache-Refresh-SillyTavernIt send a minimum token request at configurable intervals to keep the cache alive. For some people it could still be cheaper to do 5 min cache with this than going for the 1 hour.
>>43648090I thought about it but 1h TTL just wins out so hard over 5min TTL. Another example advantage would be that you want to go back 2 messages because the story is going a meh direction. With 1h TTL that's no issue, the cache is still there. With 5min TTL you'd be out of luck, even with that extension.If a lot of you are convinced I can add it, but I think it just overcomplicates stuff and makes your life worse to be on 5min for a very miniscule saving in $ compared to your overall cost
Kimi released a video.Kimi 3.1 is shown on the computer.There are also rumors of it releasing either today or tomorrow.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n47v24A3RgE
>>43647530>Commas exist Pinkie, use more of them.How ironic that this sentence is missing a comma before 'Pinkie', one of the most basic bitch necessary uses of a comma you should learn about very early on.
>>43648341Good thing my self taught ass never had proper english education then, losing the concept of early or late grammar. But also, no joke, english is a mess. ocoYour post actually made me laugh with the irony though Anon, top kekSo, you need a comma before every name in that kind of sentence? Like before the Anon here?
Let's go grammer lessons thread
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>>43648434>"Twilight, I'm not a dragon and neither are you, so it's not cannibalism. Should I get the BBQ out?"
>>43647790Is this your mane 6 rating reveal? Twi > Rarity > AJ > the rest?
>>43648463are you a cereal killer by any chance
>>43645363Fluttershy. 100 sprites too.https://spritestable.neocities.org/#fluttershy>>43648463Nah. Twilight went first because Main Character, but the rest is random. I did start with Rarity and Applejack because they often go last, but the order isn't really about preferences otherwise.Rainbow will surely be last because I will need more time to check all the color homogenization.
I just had a thought, with all these insane vibecoded game mods and other things coming out, could Claude just create a SillyTavern that's less shit?As in one with better variable systems and easier ways to combine actual game mechanics with the AI responses etc
>>43648608I tried like 3 times. I know multiple other people that tried multiple times. "Yeah I'm smart I'll be able to do a good agentic frontend". Yeah nope my vibeslop was bad.That is not to say don't try it. Please by all means anon I'd really like something better. I'm just reporting my failure.
Requesting a "Future Spike" characterhttps://derpibooru.org/search?page=2&q=spike%2C+vector%2C+safe%2C+solo%2C+the+last+problem
>>43648608In theory, yes, and there are already vibecoded projects on GitHub and such.Problem is that:- Vibecoded projects are more often than not not supported over time and given up on rapidly- Models still aren't that great at UI if you don't give mockups or know approximately what you want.- It's not rocket science, but you still have stuff like preset configurations, lorebooks, etc. to make work in a clean and well-designed way.- Many just release once they have something that approximately works and forget to prooompt for security, optimization, etc.Still, if you just want to create something for yourself first and just want to experiment, go ahead.
>>43648618Huh, I wonder if having it modify ST itself instead of starting from scratch would have better results.
>>43648597best pony
>>43648597>belly upU-unf
>>43648624>- Many just release once they have something that approximately works and forget to prooompt for security, optimization, etc.I plan, at some point, to implement an API key feature into PoneTTS with security hardening, but that's quite a ways off at the moment.
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>>43645351Kimi 3.1https://openrouter.ai/moonshotai/kimi-k3.1-pro
>>43647890just not working for anyone else right now? gives timeout and 503 errors. though that happened periodically before too, but now seemingly for most of the day.
>unironically been enjoying 3.8 flash more than Argon and claude recently
That VR game that Anon mentioned here some months ago is apparently coming out tonight. One of the testers posted a video of it and it's looking pretty neat >>43648770
>>43646996Got the rewind function working. Was a cute scenario too.https://u.pone.rs/lbvodcyi.webm
>>43648865>shill 3.8 flash for weeks>everyone ignores me>finally proven rightit's hard being right
>>43648608Hundreds of people try this and it never works, years of work have gone into ST and there is much more to it than you think. If you want a different frontend you have to pick something that is just as old as ST and benefits from the same years of development like Risu or maybe Agnai. If there was a better option you would've heard about it already and we would've been using it by now.
>>43648030I hate secret clubs but maybe /chag/ needs a secret club
>>43648984>If there was a better option you would've heard about it already and we would've been using it by now.Considering all the autism that goes into other aspects of this hobby, that's rather surprising and sad.
>>43648020https://github.com/Arczium/ST-Message-ChunkerThis is helpful for automating hiding old messages in chunks.
>>43649029Anon...>>43649031Ugh, well he got one thing right and that there isn't really a competitor to ST that's better, but he was wrong in not emphasizing the importance of Risu. I will continue to shill Risu as better than ST. We're definitely in the minority on /chag/ but it's only because people don't give it a chance.
>>43649051*Meant to say vibecoded competitor, as cool as vibecoding is it does kinda show its limits that there has yet to be a viable vibecoded frontend that is more stable or more capable than a traditionally coded one that has a large team of devs or a 3 year headstart (ST and Risu both started around the same time in 2023)
>>43648622the real future spike is a 3D model from Gen 5look how much happier he is now that rarity and twi have been dead for centuries
>>43649094That's a temu spyro
>>43649051Shill Risu vs ST for me, anon. I know nothing about it.
>>43649094Don't even mention this crap G5 doesn't exist
>>43648954Poor Adagio.
>>43649158Risu has features (including lots of quality of life features) that ST has barely gotten around to implementing and supports much higher quality character cards. The ST team are a bunch of a babies that don't want to implement the newer standard and so a lot of Risu's features aren't backwards compatible to ST unless you do a lot of work to adapt it. Things like card regex scripts came only recently to ST that were supported for years on Risu, if you learn about it you'll get pissed at how stupidly stubborn the ST dev team is and how much they've held back the frontend from progressing as fast as AI development. It's like it's still stuck in 2023.
>>43649223So instead of trying to sell on Risu's features, it's more of a jealousy for ST's popularity, gotcha.
>>43649319You just said you wanted me to shill why it's better than ST and the biggest thing of note is the ST drama (don't you remember when they tried to get rid of jailbreaks and proxies?), but for better features off the top of my head: The v3 and .CHARX character card schema, better image gen support, cloud save integration, cross-platform support, card media support (including videos and audio), card-based scripting, better variables, better TTS support, better summarization options, better lorebook functionality, much better support for custom plugins, card regex, preset regex, etc.
>>43649342>>I know nothing of it >>43649158>"Don't you remember-"No.Also you're still being generic. "Better X". That tells nothing about the feature itself.You said to remember something, well, remember how NovelAI has a better completion system? Why is it better? I don't know, it's just a """better""" completion system.In this case, instead of back and forth, it's a continuous history. Doesn't mean it's better, just different.Also many of those ST also has, maybe it arrived late as you said, but it's there. Card media support (>Fluttershy fishing card is almost a literal game), global regex that you can set to card, lorebook or even specific chat, and like you said, """etc."""But at least you made clear why it never caught on...See how annoying it is to leave meanings open? But I'll leave this one open myself, just for you.
>>43649381>>"Don't you remember-">No.When did you start lurking in /chag/
>>43649342FYI this guy>>43649319>>43649381Is not me (the one who asked originally). I don't really care, just find it interesting how people do that, continue someone elses convo.
>>43649423So no reply to the content of the post, just going to try to deflect onto how something unrelated was worded?
>>43649434I was trying to see what he was into from Risu myself; agnai, c.ai, novelAI, they all have particularities, but gave up with this risu guy now, and his last post is clearly bait with how quick he was to just go "ST bad, wah".Why did that matter for the topic?Also, rhetoric question by the way, going back to chatting about AI mares myself
>>43649051The one real drawback about Risu is the lack of (English) documentation. But then again, that also applies to ST so shit's fucked either way.
I guess...
>>43645363Ponk.100 sprites.https://spritestable.neocities.org/#pinkie-pie
>>43649443However, a generated wiki derived from the source code? https://deepwiki.com/kwaroran/Risuai
Snapshot from villain rehab. Today's exercise is to solve a Rubik's Cube without killing each other. We had to assemble the whole gang in order to figure this one out.
>>43649750Nice.Did you try to somehow justify that, or did you just go with a custom scenario with the villain rehab already established?
>>43649767Custom start, going in dry. I've already done a few Frenemies-style scenarios like this, so I skipped the set-up this time and just told the model that it's a sort of state-mandated Antagonists Anonymous situation. /mymodel/ never seems to have trouble squaring the circle with certain disparate lore details, which helps a lot with nonsense character combinations like this.
How do you get Queen Chrysalis to spawn in the VN again (in the main/custom game)? I've given her a schedule but she doesn't seem to be where I told her to be. Can only find her if I summon her in the middle of Q&A.>>43624081I pretty much only have good things to say about the new DS flash compared to the old new DS flash having tried it for a while now. Didn't fix all the problems, still breaks formatting on the VN sometimes, still has some sloppy language, but it's even better at following instructions and the general level is just a little but higher. Somewhat awkward to use it with existing chats because if the previous AI has done like, romanstasy stuff it'll slip into that really hard but it's less likely (though still trying to) go in that direction itself.Seems to really understand the idea of treating each block of text as an individual response, it almost never shits itself when I tell it to rewrite something and leave the original and request for the rewrite in. Extremely instruct-coded, but actually follows instructions.
>>43650291>How do you get Queen Chrysalis to spawn in the VN againI don't play but last I heard there's a chance of finding her every time you enter the Everfree.
>>43648020 (me)https://gitgud.io/hfnjk5124/cachecheckSlopped together a quick claude cache checker extension that (tries) to predict if your caching is setup correctly, and if not, where the issues are. Pretty sure I didn't find all niche cases where stuff can go wrong, but it should still help quite a bit.Also what other models should I include in the cache guide? GPT? Gemini? Which chinese ones? I'm a claudebabby so I don't really use other/know how they work.
>>43650291https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/43398466/#43407951
>>43650359Kimi and DeepSeek have automatic caching.Gemini needs to be configured in Silly.https://openrouter.ai/docs/guides/best-practices/prompt-caching#google-geminiI would add a small section for it if you can.
The dreadful quippy dialogue you get sometimes does at least make Luna look charmingly autistic.
>>43649046But wouldn't this just hide old messages without any kind of summary, leading to important context missing? Or am I not seeing something?>>43650591Thanks anon, /chag/ really is the place to be for these things.Gemini caching sadly seems to be completely shot right now when it comes to flash. I've tried a lot of things, including long waits, 30k+ context, and other stuff, but it is super flaky with caching. Argon just works though, so who knows what google is doing.
>>43645351>>43648020 (me)https://rentry.org/llm-caching-2026Now supporting most models and providers. Also has an optional supporting SillyTavern extension that detects your active model and provider, and helps you find caching issues in your presets and lorebooks. Please do give feedback if you still have issues or suggestions. And I do really appreciate all suggestions, even if I sometimes autistically push back and critique. It's just how I was brought up by this site, arguments over politeness, sorry if I went overboard with them.>>43648090Added it, plus gave my extension a way to automatically set refresh times depending on the current model. Very nice to have for models with a TTL below 1 hour.
>>43650932Thanks!I will probably put it in the starting guide post at the start of each thread.
>>43650932>>43650947amazing work and definitely needs to be added to the bakes
>>43649029Chag has had at least three.
>>43649051Agnai is right there and still works wonders most of the time.
Posting because it's relevant: Play my cool mare game. >>43650034
>>43651433>Planned in the future, in no particular order:>Spa, with hoof massages to earn bitstake all my money
>>43645363And Dashie. With 100 sprites too.https://spritestable.neocities.org/#rainbow-dashThat makes all of the Mane 6.Should already give a bit more visual variety if you were using only the default ones.I will look into integrating them directly into the VN and opening up Anon uploads of their own sprites on the site too.
>>43651664All this just for the model to forget all of it and cycle exclusively between happy and surprised
>>43651671I get pretty varied selections with Gemini usually.
>>43651664Best pony! Thanks, anon. Site looks great.
>>43646166>>43647790>>43648597When you finish the Sprite Submission feature on the website, please add a feature for submitting sprites for existing characters in the database. I'd like to submit corrected/missing sprites of Applejack in particular. 100 is a lot, but not everything.
>>43645363In RPG mode with the new context/storyit'd be nice if the short response that goes along with the diceroll was stored in the history section (either default to invisible to AI or just always invisible to AI). I'm not sure if there is a way to go back and read it and I don't think there's any way to make it show up in screenshots either.
>>43651664Which ones will you be doing next? I'd love to see Daybreaker and Gilda get more sprites, and Nightmare Moon as well.
>>43651664You could add variants of the same character under a dropdown or something. Like when selecting Twilight you could choose between Unicorn Twilight and Alicorn Twilight instead of having them listed as separate characters
>>43651742>add a feature for submitting sprites for existing characters in the database.That was the plan. It will work like this: there will just be a small approval step, with recoloring if needed, before the final upload.>>43651785>it'd be nice if the short response that goes along with the dice roll was stored in the history sectionI will add it as an option.>>43651862Yeah, that's the plan too. For stuff like Pinkamena, Future Twilight, etc.>>43651815I'll probably go at random, but yeah, Gilda is a bit old by now, so she will be done early.
>>43651433Hey, thanks for posting this! Would you mind sharing the technical process behind your project? It looks pretty cool, was this the one there was YouTube videos of? Are you a visitor of /chag/ or were you a lurker here? It's a shame we couldn't contribute more.
Anyone know why I might suddenly be getting a>User not founderror in ST when trying Gemini 3.8 Flash through Openrouter? It worked before and every other AI works fine, including other Gemini models.
>>43652390Do you still have it now?Seems like an OR and not an ST error, but it's working fine on my end.Maybe try forcing it on one of the providers:>AI Studio>Vertexto see if it happens on both.
>>43652426Getting it on AI studio and Vertex both, very strange.
>>436527633.8 has been slow for a few days, so they may be having problems, but it's weird that it's only on your side.Try with the default ST preset to see, but I'm pretty sure the error isn't on ST's side.Otherwise, maybe generate a new key?
I like Argon. Too much Claude and deepseek made me forget what happens when models obey all my preset instructions to the letter. I had to tune down my coom prompts because rather than being heavily interested or scaroused some mares were offering sex on the spot. Which actually makes me think it may be the best model for some Estrus Survival plans I have. It also means you need to be very carefully with your wording because the model will be more literal and even use your exact words at times.Actually that makes me think: Is Gemini so prone to giving empty responses and refusals because instead of ignoring or dancing around the most hardcore aspects of the prompt it always goes all in? I believe it may be so.Back to Argon. I like it most for OC settings and characters, pony or not. I had forgotten a lot of fun things I had written in lorebooks and defs because models never acknowledged them. Yesterday I spent hours swiping and following a story the AI pushed by including lore elements and bringing in NPCs rather than leading towards the events I had in mind which is what I usually do with Claude.A big problem however is that it has zero nuance on when to follow the preset. For example my worldbuilding instructions listed several background elements to use to dynamically explore the setting, such as fauna, flora, posters, consoles, etc. It took this literally and included a description of what a nearby screen showed, just changing the information every response.There is also the problem most of us know from other models, which is responses looping. Given a long enough RP the responses become formulaic, with each paragraph always containing the same essence even if the words and information change. It feels like it's a bigger problem with Argon if you have instructions in your preset that would affect large parts of the response, like the worldbuilding one I mentioned. I found that many responses it took the first or second paragraph to describe how what was happening fit in with the culture of the place and was to be expected even if anywhere else it'd be barbaric. Which, to be fair, was entirely correct.Overall though I feel it's like ChatGPT4o-latest (miss it everyday) in that it's a surprisingly fun model with an unique writing style that follows your instructions even when they are NSFW. I'm gonna miss it when they eventually kill or lobotomize it.Pic related is probably the first time I have heard the term "Celestiadon"
>>43652075I'm a lurker/poster for almost a year now. Long time chagfag. My technical process... I want you to envision an ape given a dose of drugs that'd make Joe Rogan wince, and double the amount of laxative. Now, imagine this ape in a room, with a brick wall, shitting into his hand, and throwing it at Mach 4, furiously cheering when his shit sticks.
>>43652906So the average indie dev. Got it.
Replaying Episode 1 to later self-insert, and we don't have enough Apple family members!
Do NOT attend the Ponaissance Faire with Princess Luna. Death may result.
>>43653179Ask for a joust.
>>43653179Worth it.
>>43653133How do you replay an episode like this?
>>43653268There's an episodes lorebook that could be used, I think.https://mlpchag.neocities.org/lorebook/Episodes.jsonBut for that, you can just take a transcript:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QD7zg-nTkYkRl1zHp7ZpJ2FJXQM0bzguGvWZK83RzSM/edit?hl=en_US&tab=t.0or https://mlp.fandom.com/wiki/Transcripts/Friendship_is_Magic,_part_1Put it in Custom Start and just ask to replay it with the VN format.Check the "Keep description in Q/A" checkbox.Once the scene starts, interrupt it quickly and just type "Continue" or something like that in the box.
Is something up with 3.8? I keep trying to push messages through on the VN, but I just keep getting request time outs. Is it just eating shit?
>>43653133Where are you planning on self inserting?>we don't have enough Apple family members!That's alright you were never gonna fit them all on the scene.
>>43648835>spring traps
Rereading some old 4o-latest logs and man, I miss it. It was just a good, solid model.
>>43653817I'll never forgive Altman and AI safetyfags for what they stole from this world.
>>43653832To be fair seeing people ruining their lives because it was too good at yes-anding them did make me feel horrible, but it was a fun model darn it.
>>43653666>Where are you planning on self inserting?Everfree Forest during Episode 2, Satan.>That's alright you were never gonna fit them all on the scene.Kek. For sure.
Is there a reason why sprites get stuck using their neutral expression in the VN?
>>43653908Can be several things.1) The model is fucking up the format.2) The model is giving expressions that don't exist.For both, you can go into>Prompts Editor>Check logsto check what it sent and if it fucked up or not.Otherwise, it can be:3) If you use dynamic entry of characters, the first output where they dynamically enter won't have their list of sprites sent.That's because we don't know in advance what the model's output will be.Let's say you only have Twilight and you send:>"Is this Fluttershy at the door?"We send the model all Twilight expressions, but not Fluttershy's, because we can't predict the future. So if Fluttershy enters, during this turn the model won't have a list of sprites.The next time you input something, the model will see you have Fluttershy and Twilight, so expressions for both will be sent.
>>43653832Blame bonglanders.
>>43653869Can you give a few snippets to see how well could the ai recreate the scenes? Also how often did you have to guide it and regenerate?
>>43653995I've actually been doing something similar in Sillytavern. Been shifting some episodes around so the timeline makes more sense (Winter Wrap Up). Currently on Fall Weather Friends and even when Anon isn't completely derailing an episode, it has a hard time following what's going on. Either completely changing the script or getting the order of events wrong, both despite my best efforts.
>>43650932anyone has a quick tutorial on how to get caching to work on LinkAPI? i didnt manage to get it working and ive seen some saying it works fine and some saying it simply doesnt work on there.even the auto caching models. i might be missing something.
>>43654616>it simply doesnt work on there. even the auto caching modelsI've got no clue about linkapi, but are you sure it's not just your prompt/preset/character throwing a wrench in because there's some {{random}} or other thing in there that disrupts the prompt? I don't want to shill it too hard but try my extension that's linked in the guide. It shows you what in your setup is causing issues.
>>43653995Here, a bunch of random snippets.The entire transcript was put at the start and kept during Q/A, so it's doing well. And I will just use the Guidance system or something when switching episodes. The only limiting thing is, for instance, not having a night background at the end, but that's on me.
>>43654634Impressive! Is it adaptable enough for you do do actions and still generally keep to the plot of the episode?
>>43654657I mostly played Episode 1 for now with no changes, to see if it was possible. I made a save before Episode 2, which is where I will be introduced.Didn't have time to play this part yet, so I will tell you later and post logs.
>>43654663Will you get an element of friendship?
>>43654748Nah. I'm not at that level of self-insert yes. Or maybe try it a bit just for the laugh.
>keep getting "503 Service Unavailable: This model is currently experiencing high demand." on skillgodis this actually Google servers constantly shitting themselves on their end. or are the keys on skillgod just 99% dead?
>>43654624>>43654616if i understand correctly even for some of the AutoCache models you still need to enable the function in the .yaml file on ST like Gemini, no? or is it literally on by default no matter what you do or change.
>>43655420The cache thing for gemini in the .yaml is a kind of backup cache. It tells google to always cache the system part of the prompt, so even in messages where the main cache fails, at least the system prompt is cached. It has no real drawbacks to being turned on, but also doesn't really help save anything on cache because the system part of the prompt will be super small compared to the rest of it.The only provider that needs any config.yaml changes is Claude. For Gemini it's kind of whatever, and no other provider cares at all.Which model are you even trying to cache on LinkAPI? If you are trying Gemini then it could just be Gemini being bad. Flash just almost never caches, and for Argon Link would need to be very careful to really make caching work.
>>43655384google
>>43655443>maybe that one time in flight school immediately after talking about how big a dyke Gilda islelnice log
>>43655487Thanks.
>>43655443Cloaca bros...
>>43655528Ask her how she knows so much about Gilda's pussy.
>>43655465really? its literally shitting itself completely on their end for 90% of the time? the fuck?
>>43655614do you have any idea how many people love using 3.8-flash and 4-argon for RP?
>>43655657Something like >99% of internet traffic is bots. It's highly likely whenever a service provider is experiencing overwhelming traffic issues it's not meatsacks responsible for it.
>>43655673What a weird reply for someone ostensiby lurking in /chag/
>>43655614people are abusing the free tier with openclaw and such
>>43645363Cheerilee. 40 Vectors.https://spritestable.neocities.org/#cheerilee
>>43656212>vector>bottom left says 1032 x 850 px PNGconfusedderpy.jpeg
>>43655438you guys know that caching exposes your prompts to more moderation right
>>43656272Yeah, more like sprites, I suppose. Or juste emotions. I often incorrectly say "vectors" instead.
>>43656212Do Luckette and my life is yours
>>43656416eat her (out)
Hi, I downloaded Home:Equestria and I'm trying to figure out how to put money on Openrouter.AI to purchase DeepSeek API key but I can't find the way to easily add money, just a budget option in settings. Where is it on the site?
>>43656479https://openrouter.ai/settings/credits
Great, there's money in it now, about $10. Now how do I hook up Deepseek to the API key I just made and copied down?
>>43656537I made a post here. >>43655865Your key already gives you access to all models. Just launch the game, set the template to OpenRouter, and paste your key.
>>43648863nah you're not the only one there.
It really seems like local would be the best solution if it could compete with corporate models on quality and speed.What are the best local options available?
>>43656582Technically, big Chinese models are open-source, so you could run them locally, but nobody in particular has the hardware for that.Realistically, the best local models you can run are the Gemma 4 family: 12B, 26B, or 31B depending on hardware.- 12B: 8–10 GB VRAM- 26B: 16–18 GB VRAM- 31B: 20–24 GB VRAM
>>43656416
Is there still a way to use free models? Proxy, script etc (Claude preferably)
>>43656720Nope. It's dead and buried since a while.
>>43645363I need Nightmare AU human custom start ideas. Maybe something for a long playthrough. Even if it's just playing as your own self insert, what did any of you get up to?
>>43656725Submission is mandatory.
>>43656725You're part of her special guard that tracks rebels. Can be played straight or have you turn after a bit.It turned mostly into a coom scenario, but I had a Custom Start where I was previously in an unofficial relationship with Celestia, and NMM kept me around to psychologically torture her sister and corrupt me to her side.Maybe have another villain show up and see how NMM and her forces deal with it.Or have a pony from the other universe (Twilight is the most obvious, but could be Glimmer, etc.) fuck up a spell and arrive in the AU and see how they deal with things.
>>43656725Overworked office worker from Earth becomes overworked office worker for Nightmare Moon's barely held together kingdom. You could also go to Canterlot and hang out with Cadance while Blueblood goes full Patrick Bateman on you because you're doing a better job than he is.
>>43656276Explain your logic, mister.
>>43656416Show her how humans fucked up the evolutionary tree by picking up a rock.
Is there a way in PPP to be able to play as one of the characters? If not, how hard would it be to code it in?
>>43657232>Is there a way in PPP to be able to play as one of the characters? If not, how hard would it be to code it in?You can do a Custom Start where you set that up, or a Quick Start without the intro.In the Persona menu, just write that you're X and set it.Unless you mean in another way?
>>43657237I guessed it'd be that. Just thought some kinda preset setting for that would be nice.
>>43648861Did anyone here give it a shot?
>>43657289I did.Seems sloppier than 3, really stiff and quite dull in writing.Tested prefilling too with the patch for ithttps://rentry.org/kimi-k3-jbsince it sort of helped with outputs when using Kimi 3, but 3.1 is harder to context poison, even with that.For the same price, you have Gemini 4 Argon for RP, so I don't really see its utility.
>>43656720Yes. Read the thread.
>>43657314can confirm kimi 3.1 is GIGA slopbut it does have prefill, and allegedly pretty smart, so yknow. good luck.
