I did not care for Fallout Equestria. It insists upon itself.
>>43691350I lost interest in it, then picked it back up later and forced myself to finish it because people wouldn't shut the fuck up about it. The lesbian protag saves the world with a retarded plot device, then has lesbian sex with her lesbian girlfriend. I think by that point, the author had fully transitioned into a "woman". Faggot novel by a tranny author. I wonder if xe's roped yet.
>>43691350>That one part where two characters have lesbian sex while traumadumping with a backstory ripped straight from Fallout 3Lmao foe is so shit.
>>43691411Don't forget the scene where she masturbates while vomiting!
>>43691350who is fallout and why is he equestria
>>43691435geg the whole thing was just an excuse for xim to indulge xis grimdark corruption fetish and lesbian fetish.
>>43691350The entire fic is basically just a ponified ripoff of Fallout 3 with plot elements from 1, 2 and Dead Money sprinkled in, plus meandering side quest bloat that could easily be cut out with no consequence. Littlepip is blatantly just Kk-ACK's tranny self-insert with a hero complex and enough plot armor to be shredded with bullets, yet be perfectly fine the next scene after ingesting healing potions.
>>43691435>>43691367ok, i wasnt really interested before but now you have me intrigued.
>>43691367>Everything I don't like is made by trannies>I know this is true because I don't like tranniesOh boy. I hope you get to move out before you come out of the closet.
>>43691620The author really is a tranny though. I asked xim if xe was a man or a woman in IRC once, and xe said "it doesn't matter" lel
>>43691629>"it doesn't matter"based desu
>>43691571No Anon, 24 is the number of foals she wants.
>>43691444>lesbian fetishErm, it's called being normal, chud? It's normal to jack off to lesbians. Quit being a bigot.
>>43691350Part of me wants to respect the accomplishment of attempting a project that size and having it not only succeed, but become popular enough to spawn its own subfandom. But honestly >>43691448 sums it up. Kkat had very few genuinely original ideas, huge portions of the story are just bloat, the rest of it just meanders all over the place. Littlepip is one of the most unintentionally hateworthy protagonists I've ever encountered, I literally spent at least 3/4 of the story hoping she would die at the end. It's not even good as ponified RPG-lit. All of the progression is just Littlepip gaining every ridiculous power the author can think of to give her. The side characters all had the potential to be more interesting than they were, but they all got sidelined because the author was too obsessed with leveling up his self-insert. Calamity was some kind of top sniper for the Enclave iirc, Steelhooves was a Steel Ranger. Either one of those characters would have made more sense as the ultra-badass character who wins all the fights. But somehow the one who ends up leading the party and doing all the badass stuff is the rug-munching midget pipbuck technician who just crawled out of a stable a week ago and can't even aim her gun without targeting assistance.>>43691620>Everything I don't like is made by tranniesIn this case, it's probably accurate. At the very least, the way the book handles f/f attraction makes it pretty clear it was written by a male.
>>43691639I'll do her one better and give her 25!
>>43691411>>43691435Sounds cool. Which chapter?
>>43691350I did not care for [THING YOU LIKE]. It insists upon itself.
>>43691629>It doesn't matterThe polite way of telling people to fuck off. I sure hope you aren't autistic to think asking women whether shes a man or a woman is a normal thing to do.
>>43691710>He thinks Khat is a womanHAAHAAAAAHAHAHAHHAAA
>>43691350I like Fallout, never understood the Fallout Equestria thing... like, never bothered to look at what it was, a very long fanfic? okay...
Nah, it's a masterpiece.
>>43691655>I literally spent at least 3/4 of the story hoping she would die at the end.I think that despising the PoV protag' has colored your review of the story. Just a bit. Or a lot.Hard to like a story when you wish death on the storyteller.
>>43691350ok and?
Mods do act like Gods from time to time.Okay.Let's talk about what we disliked about F:E and why. I'll assume everyone here has read the story in full and so don't need spoilers.I'll go first.>The HomagexLilPip romance.Literally out of left-field. She meets the mare for about a day and instantly starts fucking her right there and then. I thought it was just a purely physical relationship after she rebounded hard off Velvet, but no. It was literal love-at-first-sight.My first reaction was "Really? Any port will do?" and then it became established that no, this was true love at first sight.
>>43691904I did not care for seeing Pinkie Pie dying alone as a drug addict
>>43691913This. Not having read it but skimming though, a million times this.
>>43691913>>43692032The deaths and "deaths" of the other 5 not affecting you much?
>>43691350I just finished Background Pony. There are times when it tries a bit too hard and feels silly to me, but overall I quite liked it. Good ol aaaah I'm going insaaaaane kinda story with pony lesson learning interspersed.
>>43692034They're also bad but it hit especially hard if it's my waifu.
>>43691640t. Island Ledger
>>43692057:canterlot.express:
>>43691904>Let's talk about what we disliked about F:E and why.The Enclave. Why did the pegasi go full Argonian and pussy out into the sky as one? How did they figure the shitty overcast they put everywhere wouldn't be blown away by magical nukes? How the shit do they have a fleet of spaceships and LOSE the inevitable surface genocide?
>>43692034Pinkie's is the only one I remember clearly.I think Applejack died of ligma or some shit.And Twilight fused with Trixie or some shit? I dunno it's been a while since I gave a shit.I never finished foe so I probably missed most of them.
>Mods give all the trolls a holiday>Thread stops getting bumped>No-one can think of anything bad to say about Fallout: EquestriaThis. Is not a Truth Bomb. It is a Truth post>>43692066Enclave felt too much like the idiot-ball being welded directly onto every winged fuckers hooves with the QUALITY solder.They didn't act like a self-actualized entity and more a plot device. The end of Fallout 3 had the Enclave invade at the final act, so Fallout: Equestria should have Enclave too!It's the curse of making a cross-over. The self-inflicted NEED to include crossover elements to justify calling it a crossover and not your original fiction. Which is actually what made me interested in it the first place; A Fallout crossover that wasn't just "Fallout stuff, but in Pony-form" but the core concepts and ideas of Fallout translated into pony-mode. I would be more engrossed in it the less direct correlations I could make between "Fallout stuff, but in Pony-form" but that would cause the problem I raised in the first place. If the story gets far enough away from Fallout influences and word-choices that you can no longer call it Fallout, why call it a crossover with Fallout in the first place and not your own original work?
>>43692071>PINKIE: Died of Nuclear Holocaust the very second she decided to go into rehab.Descendants: None.>APPLEJACK: Died of old age in her family's Stable.Descendants: Part of the incestous Stable 2 extended family>TWILIGHT: Technically only died after the War when LilPip nuked her.Descendants: The Alicorns?>RAINBOW: [file not found]Descendants: Dedicated Lesbians leave no children>RARITY: Got CLOUDED in the worst way possible, with minimal exposure but no way to prevent herself from being more exposedDescendants: Dedicated Lesbians leave no children>FLUTTERSHY: Survived the war in the funniest way imaginable.Descendants: Perhaps? She's still around to meet a nice stallion and give her foal a messiah-martyr complex being the daughter/son of the only Ministry Mare to still be alive
>>43692103>FluttershyOh right, he just copied Fallout 3's homework again and turned her into a tree. Yeah, I never read that far. I just heard about that through the grapevine.
>>43691411It's such utter shit, I find it unbelievable it has a fanbase at all.
>>43692160Bronies love sloppa especially 15 years ago
>>43692167I love slop too, as wank material. Which it seems is exactly what this story was to its author.
>>43692103You missed the part where Squiggletail only died because she gave her life to try and give another time to escape. Shame it didn't work out but, as always, Rarity is best pony.
>>43692103>RAINBOW: [file not found]It was left open-ended, but she most likely got killed by Gilda, or bled out after their fight.
>>43691411Which chapter was that? I don't remember anything explicit?
>>43692147>He hated FOE so much he forgot that Fluttershy wanted to be a tree so he could justify his hatred>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y1V7utCUmS8His doctrine was immaculate. And his hateboner strong.
>>43692103>>FLUTTERSHY: Survived the war in the funniest way imaginable.I have not read Fallout: Equestria almost at all yet but i have heard read about some of the stuff about it and it's characters on wiki because i got kinda curious how does mane 6 play its part in the story because i do love them, especially Twilight and one thing that stuck to me was that Fluttershy was the one who delivered the megaspells to ziggers? And she really does survive to the end? That's honestly so fucked up if she really is the one who caused the end of the world and also got to live to the end.
>>43692224Probably the latter. If Gilda killed Dash and survived, she'd have mounted her head above the fireplace and told everyone about it.She's probably dead in a ditch somewhere. Another dead Pegasus among all the unburied corpses of centuries past....Somepony should bury them.
>megaspellsYou gotta be fucking kidding me
>>43692252Oh yeah. They have magic nukes, but they also have magic healing nukes.Don't look up what Fluttershy did before the war.
>>43692191Clowning on the striped assassins by literally turning her back on him before triggering his own grenade was fabulous.
>>43692252It's not THAT bad of an idea, but it's retarded when Equestria and the ziggers have guns and tanks and shit. A better, more original setting would've had the technology be on par with fantasy Warhammer.
>>43692244She survived because a corrupted version of Poison Joke thought it'd be funny to make her live and see the results of her actions.
>>43692321That makes more sense. Did Fluttershy had actually any regrets though? How did she feel when she saw what happened to Equestria?
>>43691904There's a lot in the story that could be improved, starting from the pointless meandering and random encounters that end up with barely surviving until the party chugs a few healing potions and it's like nothing happened to the fact it's three separate storylines in one so the ending is disjointed because it tries to end three stories in one go and there's no real climax to the story.But the actual biggest flaw with is Littlepip. She's just such a boring mary sue. I can't even think of how to describe her because she has no flavor to her at all. How does she act? What is she like? Defining personality traits? I don't know despite reading about her for 700k words.
>>43692348Little Pip is a Mary Sue, but it also feels like the author got buttmad about people calling her that, so he course corrected and made her pants on head retarded to make it seem like she has "flaws".
>>43691350Good for you.
>>43691411sauce?
>>43692348>there's no real climaxExcept in Kkat's pants
>>43692348>He forgot her hero complex over Arbu and that one colt that got DISINTEGRATEDI think you have some memory problems, m8. Get a test for dementia done, quick.
>>43691834>I think that despising the PoV protag' has colored your review of the storyProbably true, but there's a lot more wrong with it than just the protagonist. It's an objectively bad story.>>43691904>HomagexLilPipAgree 100%. There was no meaningful buildup to it. It's actually a shame because watching Pip get rejected by Velvet was one of the few times in the story where I felt any genuine sympathy for her. She spends her entire early life crushing on this mare she idolizes, then against all plausible odds she ends up teaming up with her in the Wasteland, only to get brutally rejected. She has to come to terms with her true love being just a one-sided crush, deal with it and move on, while simultaneously dealing with all the post-apocalyptic violence and death and whatnot. It's one of the few areas in the story where kkat showed some genuine maturity... then he just abruptly ruins it with>I am a dyke horse>I am also a dyke horse>want to get married?>okThat Homage is an obnoxious character in her own right doesn't help much either.>>43691913What bothered me more than anything about Pinkie's death was that shit with the Twilight statue. Pinkie's last thoughts are about how she wishes she could make up with Twilight. But it's too late, and she dies alone, clutching this treasured memento of her lost friend. Then, 200 years later, this annoying little autist just shows up and pries it away from her skeleton and walks off with it because it gives her some kind of arbitrary stat boost. It's the most disrespectful shit on earth, and the book never confronts, or even seems aware of, how utterly fucked up it is. The fact that she spends a few paragraphs of maudlin narration talking about how sad Pinkie's death was does absolutely nothing to ameliorate this. I think this is also part of the reason why Pip's later encounter with Twilight did not have nearly the amount of emotional punch for me that it was meant to.>>43692066>>43692084This. The Enclave was one of many half-baked ideas that could have potentially been interesting, but wasn't. Attributable to kkat's focus on cramming ponifications of every piece of DLC and lore from the Fallout games into the story, rather than just focusing on telling a coherent story.>>43692147>he just copied Fallout 3's homework again and turned her into a treeThe tree thing wasn't ripped off from Fallout 3, but it was an equally lazy move. It was a reference to a fandom meme that was big at the time, a lot of fanfics from that time period make jokes about Fluttershy becoming or wanting to become a tree, see video linked in >>43692242 Kkat had very little innate creativity, most of the story is just "popular thing mashed up with other popular thing," the rest of it is fandom in-jokes and memes that were equally overused by other fanfic authors of the period.
>>43693179>The tree thing wasn't ripped off from Fallout 3Yes it was. You can't tell me that this derivative fic didn't borrow Harold turning into a tree.This is the same fic that just straight up yoinked the ghoul subplot from Tenpenny tower, and Homage's backstory with the baby carriage bomb killing someone she knew. >It was a reference to a fandom meme that was big at the timeDo not cite the deep magic to me, Anon. I was there when it was written.
>>43693179>Then, 200 years later, this annoying little autist just shows up and pries it away from her skeleton and walks off with it because it gives her some kind of arbitrary stat boost.I think you're deliberately ignoring what the figurines were.
>>43692350The irony there is that one of the most egregious ways to make a Mary Sue is to give the character a laundry list of "flaws" that turn out to either be strengths, or at the very least are just quirks that don't put her at any serious disadvantage. Case in point: Pip's crippling mint addiction that actually gives her cognitive superpowers and fresh minty breath, the "one lame spell" she has that in effect is the most ridiculously OP trait possessed by any character in the setting, that part later on where she gets doused with that rainbow-colored stuff (I forget what it was called, it's been a long time since I've read the story) that horribly mutates her, but it turns out the mutations are just more superpowers. I could probably think of more.>>43693189>Yes it was.Well, fuck. I actually wrote a long blathering austistic review of FoE a few years ago, and I remember running into this exact problem over and over. Every time I came across something in the story where I felt like "hey, this is kind of interesting, maybe kkat deserves some partial credit here," someone would invariably point out "nope, this is actually just <thing from one of the Fallout games>." No matter how much evidence is piled up in front of me, part of me still has trouble believing that an author could somehow manage to write a story this size without having even one original idea. And yet, the evidence remains.>Do not cite the deep magic to me, Anon. I was there when it was written.Sorry, wasn't trying to be insulting. There's a lot of zoomers on the board these days and I'm never sure what they know and what they don't know.
>>43691350Read the slightly less cringy and somewhat more cohesive alt fichttps://www.fimfiction.net/story/440269/fallout-equestria-renewal
>>43693221>No matter how much evidence is piled up in front of me, part of me still has trouble believing that an author could somehow manage to write a story this size without having even one original idea.Honestly, the only original thing I can think of is the lesbian sex and Little Pip masturbating while covered in vomit.>Sorry, wasn't trying to be insultingNah you're good. I just like to make my posts dramatic sometimes.
>>43693220I actually don't remember what the figurines turned out to be. Mostly I remember spending most of the story thinking the statue-collection side quest was stupid and added nothing to the story, then later it was explained and I thought "well, okay, that explains it I guess, but I still find it stupid."In this case, though, it doesn't actually matter what the statues were, because at the time Pip found Pinkie's corpse, she didn't know what they were either. She was just collecting them because she's a fucking autist who picks up every random object she happens upon. Literally the scene is just Pip coming across the 200 year old remains of Pinkie Pie and robbing her grave. Imagine if you were exploring a post-apocalyptic ruin and came across two skeletons who died entwined in each other's arms, and your first instinct is to immediately pry the wedding rings off of their dead fingers. That's essentially what Pip does with Pinkie Pie. That the statue she takes turns out to be some kind of important lore macguffin later in the story is beside the point.
>>43693235You're an idiot who decided he didn't like thing and then scrabbled for any reason to justify not liking thing. The statuettes were fragments of a soul. It only makes sense that they would want to be reunited.But whatever, go off queen, or whatever you shitheels say these days.
>>43693251>The statuettes were fragments of a soul. It only makes sense that they would want to be reunited.Okay, fine. How exactly does this justify Littlepip robbing Pinkie's grave?
>>43692301Hmmmm warhammer Fantasy, that I love deeply, and wish someone would make up sine kind of insane contriveance to turn equestria into fantasy battle. and now I have a excuse to remind people of this https://youtu.be/DIQod-rA9pM?si=qyq0lSS5Af6W8Tandwarves and ponies make for natural allies because their stunties of a normal proportioned thing.
>>43693261The dead have no need for possessions. Nothing need be justified.
>>43693266So... if I dug up your grandmother's corpse and took her skull home with me because I wanted to make a kickass pencil holder out of it, you'd be perfectly cool with that?
>>43693272Sure. Not really equivalent to collecting the fragments of a soul that long to be together once more, but you really don't care about if it makes sense, just that it makes you feel noble and moral about something.A bone is a bone is a bone. The dead have no more use for the mechanics.
>>43691904That it's mainly based on Fallout 3.
>>43693272Did you feel nothing for the dozens of other corpses she pilfered before and after that point?
>FOE fans would not even honor their dead family members
>complaining about the FO3 protagonist looting corpsesIt's a bad story but come on now
>>43693229You mean the one that replaced cringe for OOC edginess by making Celestia a brain-dead retard who would have resolved the cause for the Zebra-Pony war if the plot didn't require to be her to tyrant monarch demanding her people die to satisfy her ego?And made Twilight, the Alicorn of Friendship, with several more seasons worth of friendship adventures over her FOE counterpart, into a cold, unfeeling bitch of a scientist who didn't care that Zecora had a child and gave less than two shits about her friends?Because I'm reading that same fic right now and loving it for how technical it sounds and its representation of Pegasus wings is fulfilling an autistic fixation I never knew I had.On a scale of MLP <-> Fallout, og FOE falls closer to MLP with its themes of friendship overcoming adversity, FOE:R is closer to Fallout in its themes of war and innate human nature being selfish and thus overcoming it being noble. Also FUCKING PEAK OIL.
>>43692071Why did Twilight have to get fused with Trixie? Even in death Trixie still leeches to her like a parasite.
>>43693471We literally have a fag up there saying he's okay with someone else taking the bones of his grandmother's corpse to make it into some kind of ornament. Actual subhuman mindset.
>>43693523If people were so offended by disinternment then we'd be seeing uproars over the desecration of burial grounds. And yet....I think he's working backward from hating FOE to justifying his hatred. You can tell from how disjointed his arguements are>Graverobbing Pinkie BAD>Graverobbing anyone else IDC
After dropping FoE the first time I tried to read it, I gave it a second shot more recently and actually finished it. On one hand I actually think that it was actually better than I gave it credit for, but only in certain places, and 'better' doesn't necessarily mean good.For example, I actually think FoE was at its best when it was mostly just 'sidequesting', that is basically everything up to Phillydelphia. While the characters themselves may not be well written, they were decent enough that when the story was just them dungeon crawling I was actually engaged. As is, the actual plot of FoE is a typical fanfiction "and then this happens" kind of unfolding paired with retreading ideas from Fo1 and Fo3, so a version of FoE without the side stuff honestly would be lacking. With stronger characters, the 'Fo1/3 with ponies' aspect of the story could be dropped for a more character driven plot, but even without major changes to the core cast, having Pip and crew discover key elements of the plot via their adventuring instead of being handed them (usually by ponies who arguably just know a little too much more than they should) would have made the story better overall.I should also say that my opinion is very much colored by g% and the Amazon Fallout Show. That is to say that I had a lot of trouble not making comparisons to them while reading. For example, I actually think it's very interesting that Red Eye is basically just a more evil version of Sunny. Or how much of FoE can be seen in the Fallout Show, given how much both of their narratives rely on a pre-war subplot that directly informs how events 200+ years unfold. Somehow I came away from FoE thinking that it did it better, albeit only because the heavy lifting of good character writing came from FiM.Then there's aspects of FoE that just make very little sense. The biggest one of these is character's constant insistence that they're not racist against Zebras not just for no reason, but despite having every reason to be so. Even a pony like Calamity, who could argued to have the best case given that he's a seasoned veteran of the wasteland and clearly the stand-in for Dash who sided with the buffalo in 'Over a Barrel', still would mostly know about the Zebras through his Enclave education. It gets to the point of parody during one of the memory scenes when only a couple paragraphs after a pony literally saying "I'm not an anti-Zebra bigot!" the Zebras in the memory go full nigger mode. That is, the Zebras that were Equestria nationals, by the way. It'd be funny to say "See, Kkat is actually based," but in reality this is just shit and confused writing.(Cont)
>>43693594So what really is left over after all of this? Probably just the setting, considering that most talk about FoE that I see is actually about the side stories more than the original itself. Original FoE's setting being entirely developed out of an S1 Equestria and Mane 6 is probably one of its most fascinating aspects, and I think the speculation about the world in the earlier days rubbed off onto FoE. Well, I guess also the lesbian horses rubbed off a particular crowd also. But to the main point, FoE does just serve as a canvas for 'Alternative Magi-Tech Fallout', and in the hands of someone not gay and retarded could actually be really cool.
>>43693229>RenewalIt takes a special kind of autism to spend a million plus words writing an alternate universe to an alternate universe and end up making something worse.
>>43693594Your only two gripes that you have explained in any detail are>Story structureand>Kkat won't call Zebra NiggersThe first is something you can debate with other people, the second will be you insisting that it is morally correct to make the sons shoulder the sins of their great-grandfathers.PSThe>Zebras that were Equestria nationalsOP is talking about were treated like the Japanese in WW2. Assumed guilty based on race, and locked into their own ghetto.
>>43693647You really cant do any worse than the original Fo:E
>>43693786Project Horizons?
>>43693786This thread of people coping that they'll never make something with such broad appreciation?
>>43693854Why would anyone want to make something that appeals to retards with no standards in what they read?
>>43693857Same reason why people attack others based on race or gender. Envy that someone else found success that they haven't.
>>43693857Why would anyone write a fanfic in the first place?
So... What IS the best Fallout Equestria sidefic?
>>43693770I only really addressed things in detail that I hadn't really seen mentioned elsewhere, so I didn't really feel the need to explain something that most people here would probably already understand>the second will be you insisting that it is morally correct to make the sons shoulder the sins of their great-grandfathers.One of my points was more about Kkat clearly trying to write an anti-racist message but then trying (and failing) to add nuance/create moral ambiguity by making Zebra consistently awful for most of the story. That includes Zenith, who Kkat tries to present as a sort of wise figure, but in reality is just someone who tries to distance themselves from the social context of the world while also moralizing to others about it, ie they have a holier-than-thou attitude.I also don't understand why you think I'm saying that there should be some kind of retribution for the Zebra riot, or the even the war itself for that matter. The main point of that section had more to do with how weird it is that most of the characters are anti-racist given the context, not making an argument for whether or not that is morally correct.>The Zebras OP is talking about were treated like the Japanese in WW2.Yes I understand that it's an allusion to WW2 era Japanese Internment. However, it is entirely reasonable to assume that a people with ethnic ties to your enemy might value said ethnic ties over the expected loyalty to their host nation. In fact, this not happening amongst the Japanese in America is the exception, not the rule. The allegory also falls flat, because the Japanese were not rioting like niggers over internment, and there were just straight up Zebra operatives in Equestria.And to go one step further with this, we should also look at Fo3, which has a similar problem trying to make Chinese Americans like the Japanese who were interned, despite the surviving Chinese in the game overtly stating their allegiance to the Chinese Communists even 200 years later. The problem here is that the Resource War of Fallout is primarily framed as just that, one over resources and the actual ideology of both sides not mattering as much. FoE instead goes the route of showing how race and ideology can escalate a war... by having the Zebras escalate it to that point and specifically due to what Zebras believe and how they act on those beliefs.All this to say that no matter how much Kkat tried to make the Ponies and Zebras both seem equally justified, on a factual basis the Zebras are just worse. And I'm fine with that being the case, it's just that that's clearly undermining Kkat's intent with the story and much of FoE's conclusions, hence why it is bad writing.
>>43691350I do not care for any video game or Dragon Ball Z crossover stories with pony. They are inevitably crap.
>>43693873Pink EyesIt doesn't ovestay its welcome and the characters are charming. So, it's good overall despite the final third of the story being quite clearly not planned out and something the author came up with on the spot while writing.
>>43693854FoE is not broadly appreciated, it is broadly panned as 'fanfiction nonsense' by most people that come into contact with it. They're not entirely wrong either.Hell, I can't even say if it has broad appeal within the fandom, other than people just giving it lip service because it got a dedicated following early on.
>>43693374I mean, that's really easy to say because no one's actually going to do it. You know it's an empty threat so you can play it cool. Come on. Let's not pretend that if someone came to your house wearing Gram-Gram's skull as a codpiece, you'd just like "oh hey man nice fashion statement".
This thread has had more activity in a day than the actual foe thread has had in four.
>>43693909the actual threads have gone through everything said here multiple times already
>>43693909And the 'artist hate' thread is ten times as active as the draw thread, what else is new
>>43693917I mean shit, you could say that about like 90% of the generals.Don't let it set in.
>>43693862>Same reason why people attack others based on race or genderReddit's that-a way.
>>43693374>but you really don't care about if it makes sense, just that it makes you feel noble and moral about somethingActually I do care if a story makes sense. And wanting to feel noble and moral has nothing to do with my point.>>43693580>I think he's working backward from hating FOE to justifying his hatred. You can tell from how disjointed his arguements are>Graverobbing Pinkie BAD>Graverobbing anyone else IDCThis is way off. I never argued anything of the sort. Either you have piss-poor reading comprehension or you're just trying to put words in my mouth.I actually went back and re-read the portion of chapter 17 where this scene takes place, just to make sure I have the details down correctly. Let's take a look at exactly what happens:Littlepip is exploring one of the Ministry buildings, when she notices a statue lying in the ribcage of an unidentified skeleton. She picks it up because she's already found several of these, and each one she picks up gives her a boost of some sort. Taking it from a skeleton doesn't bother her because by this point she's seen plenty of skeletons and she's desensitized. I'm actually okay with all of this so far.Pip keeps exploring and finds a terminal with an audio recording on it. She listens to it, and learns that it's a last message from Pinkie to Twilight, recorded just before Pinkie's death. Pinkie desperately wants to reconnect with Twilight, but Twilight seems to be avoiding her. She acknowledges that she has a mint problem, that Twilight was right about her addiction, and that the fresh minty breath and magical precognition she gained from abusing mints wasn't worth the sacrifice of all of her friendships.At this point Pip puts the pieces together and realizes that the skeleton she took the statue from is Pinkie, and that the statue belonged to Pinkie.To understand why this is a problem we have to look at what the statue means to Pinkie. It is metaphorically and literally all she has left of Twilight. In fact, she literally says this:>I mean, I have you with me now, so you'll kinda be with me anyway.From Pinkie's point of view, this statue is a representation of Twilight herself. She spent her last minutes alive desperately clutching this thing just to feel closer to Twilight. The image I used earlier of the two skeletons dying in each other's arms actually wasn't that far from the truth.To Pinkie, the statue is a precious memento of her lost friend. To Littlepip, it's just a dumb collectible tchotchke that boosts her INT stat a little. Taking the statue from Pinkie's corpse is an incredibly fucked up thing to do. She could be forgiven for initially picking it up since she didn't yet know what it meant, but once she does know, there's no excuse. But what I find most galling is that it never even crosses her mind that she might not have a right to take this thing.1/2
>>43694186This is how the scene ends:>My eyes fell on the pony skeleton from which I had retrieved the Twilight Sparkle statuette. A sadness welled up in me. I felt tears falling down my cheeks.>“Celestia and Luna be with you, Pinkie Pie,” I said, not knowing what else to say.Spewing this maudlin crap while she pockets Pinkie's treasured memento of Twilight for purely selfish reasons makes this scene 100x worse.And this has nothing to do with me being a moralfag, either. If Pip's reaction to Pinkie's dying message was just "who gives a shit, I don't even know this dead mint junkie or her friend, and this statue counts toward 100% completion," and then she just walked off with the statue giving zero fucks, it would actually have improved my opinion of her. If kkat had deliberately characterized Pip as callous and insensitive then it would make sense for her to behave in a callous and insensitive way. As written, all this proves is that kkat has no idea how shitty this character's behavior actually is. And THAT is the central problem.It's pretty obvious from reading the entire story that kkat wants the reader to see Littlepip as a genuinely empathetic, caring pony who wants to fix a broken world. But her actions throughout the story show us the opposite: a completely self-absorbed, self-pitying, solipsistic twat who is completely wrapped up in her own neuroses. This becomes doubly interesting when you consider that the story was written by a probable tranny and the character seems to be a self-insert.And again, all of this COULD have been interesting if it turned out that this was all by design, and the author had deliberately written Pip to be a narcissistic sociopath who masquerades as a selfless hero. But nothing in his writing suggests that kkat is capable of that level of characterization. What seems far more likely is that he just doesn't realize what a shitty person his main character actually is.While we're on the subject:>>43693421>Did you feel nothing for the dozens of other corpses she pilfered before and after that point?As I recall, there are actually quite a few instances of her being callous or disrespectful to corpses that also bothered me. This is just the one that sticks in my memory. Honestly, re-reading this scene made me realize that if anything, this book is actually much worse than I remember it.2/2
>>43694193I don't know if this adds on to your point or not, but I think should point out that the next statuette that Pip gets after Twi is Pinkie... From Homage in Chapter 20 as part of their relationship.
>>43694265Oh, God, I forgot all about that. I remember this part rustling my jimmies pretty hard for multiple reasons. I might actually have to do another effortpost after I've had some sleep if the thread is still up.
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>>43694193>This becomes doubly interesting when you consider that the story was written by a probable tranny and the character seems to be a self-insert.This is the part that makes everyone think you are angry at the story and are trying to find ways to justify it.Replace Tranny with Republican and ask yourself what reason someone would have to bring that up when critiqueing the work. Not the Author, but the work itself.
>>43694469And you are doing your best to defend the story, same bullshit argument.
>>43694484I ain't defending shit m8. To not return Twilights statue are learning she was stealing it from Pinkie irritated me and made me remember that these things were the Vault-Boy SPECIAL bobble-head expies included because, guess what? Fallout 3 had them so Fallout: Equestria has to have them too.But what I am not doing is revealing the intentions behind my dislike by dropping the fact that KKAT is a transvestite every other post and blaming the writing quality on the fact that they are a transvestite.Your points are good, deeply personal of course and thus hard for other to connect with, but they are betrayed with every other post calling KKAT a tranny.You can't call a negative review of Harry Potter honest if it kept on referring to how JK Rowling is a TERF throughout its explanation of why the writing is bad. Anyone would have to wonder how her opinion on transvestites is relevant to the writing if it keeps on being referred to as a de-facto explanation for bad writing.
>>43694330Are you that GlimGlam guy from you know where that wrote those funny reviews and had to constantly put Nigel in his place? If so, I used to like reading those since I never really bothered with the bigger/popular fanfics until then.
>>43694469>everyoneSpeak for yourself, faggot.
>>43694502>stealing
>>43694502>wordswordswords Sounds to me like you're pretty invested.
Pipmare requires rape correction to make her straight.
>>43694580What do you think the Calamity pornbrain insert is for?
>>43694573No more or less than the two guys I assume they're two guys effortposting about how a single scene of FoE has lived rent-free in his head for years. Causing him mental anguish everytime someone mention Fallout or Equestria.
>>43694643Sure but you're just as bad, so don't think you can take the high ground. You're invested for a reason.
>>43694502NTA, but Kkat's personal socio-political leanings are extremely transparent throughout the story, with many characters (not just Little Pip) being mouthpieces for it. Because of that, the discussion of Kkat being a tranny is pre-written into the story, not being read in. This opposed to Harry Potter, which in the modern day has very little to actually do with Rowling, and was only a very narrow view on her beliefs, at least compared to something like FoE.In short, Rowling being a TERF has very little if at all to do with Harry Potter as a whole, but Kkat being a tranny does have actual consequences on why FoE is the way it is. In fact, if I had to guess why Little Pip is a biological mare that reads like a dude, it's probably because FoE predates the metastization of the modern tranny and ONLY exists to fulfill the author's wish of being a lesbian horse, with Kkat's social and political views being secondary to that end. Of course, that is definitional autogynephile behavior, or probably more accurately, the fate of most self-insert characters.
>>43694740>>43694573
>>43694743Okay, anon, I have to flip the age old question on its head:How does some random anon disliking trannies affect you personally?
>>43694740Oof LittlePip is now just like anonfilly. A disgusting tranny controlling the body of a filly/mare to live out its degenerate coomer fantasy. Velvet dodged one giant fricking bullet.
So, invested because his association got attacked, as expected.
>>43694469I think you're kind of projecting here. Either that or you're getting me confused with another poster. The latter is actually possible, it's part of the reason I wish this board had poster IDs. Anyway, these are all of my posts in the thread so far:>>43691655>>43693179>>43693221>>43693235>>43693261>>43693272>>43694186Anyone else you've been arguing with isn't me. I've only mentioned the tranny thing once or twice in passing, and then only to note that there are some similarities between Littlepip's neurotic behavior and the way trannies have a tendency to behave. I honestly don't give a shit if kkat is a tranny or not, my point is that he's a bad writer.>you are angry at the story and are trying to find ways to justify it.I mean, it's pretty much the complete opposite of this. If anything, I would say you're the one doing this. You're selectively reading into my posts to find things that justify your assumption that I'm just irrationally angry at the fic because the author is/might be a tranny.I dislike the story because it's objectively awful for a wide variety of reasons, and whenever I analyze any portion of it closely I find numerous things that make me angry. This is why if you get a couple of beers into me and ask me about Fallout Equestria I will immediately launch into a multi-post tirade about how much I hate it.>>43694518Yes lol that's me, I was kind of wondering if anyone in here was going to notice. this thread has actually put me in the mood to start doing fic reviews again. I might get back to Project Horizons.
>>43695508Ooh, review Not Now Big Brother.
>>43695519Is this the one?https://www.fimfiction.net/story/77079/not-now-big-brother
>>43695508>SpoilerI salute you, because it's SO much worse than the main FOE.>t. read it back to back twice a decade ago
>>43691435She masturbates then vomits, but the two weren’t connected.
>>43691350It was fine when I was reading it at 16 years old but as time goes on and I've continued to have it forced into my face here, I'm just completely done with the whole "ponies but they shoot each other with realistic guns" schtick, to include both FoE and EaW. Nothing could be more childish.
>>43695921An important inclusion regardless for her character development
>>43695906I've only read the first 12 chapters so I might be jumping the gun, but from what I've seen PH is better written than the original FoE. The early story does a good job of establishing an actual life and background for the protagonist. We get a sense of how she lives, what day to day existence is like, the social ecosystem, etc. Blackjack feels like an actual character with an actual identity. The stable feels like a real place that has its own internal politics, problems and power struggles.Blackjack is tasked with tracking down an escaped broodnigger who ran away because he was about to be holocausted, and finds him hiding in the attic with Anne Frank. Meanwhile, the overmare makes a deal with some bad guys who pretend to be Microsoft tech support so she'll let them in. She lets them in, and they immediately start killing everyone. Blackjack figures out that they want some MacGuffin file the overmare has on her laptop, so she steals it and runs off so the bad guys will chase her instead of slaughtering everyone in the stable, which is... actually pretty noble. The broodnigger she rescued goes with her and they form an uneasy partnership. Once outside, her immediate goals are to evade capture and figure out what the deal with the MacGuffin file is.So what we have here is:>a protagonist who feels like an actual character>a setting that feels like an actual place>a supporting character who also feels like an actual character>a series of events that jump-start an actual plot>a set of tangible goals for the main characters to focus onThere's plenty of substance here to engage readers and keep the plot moving for awhile.Compare this to the early chapters of kkat's FoE:The story opens with a long infodump about how PipBucks work, then introduces us to a generic self-insert OC with no defining traits beyond a desire to lick carpet. We don't learn much about her life or the place where she lives. Her idol-crush runs away from the stable one day for mysterious reasons, and Miss Generic Self-Insert decides to go look for her. She escapes the stable without incident, immediately gives up on her goal of trying to find her idol-crush, gets captured by slavers because she's a retard, escapes, and then wanders around aimlessly for multiple chapters. Something like a plot eventually takes shape, but you have to stick with the story a long time to get there.What we have here is:>a boring protagonist>a dull setting that only exists as a launchpad for the main adventure>a mystery and a goal that could have driven the events of the early story, had the author not made the baffling decision to have his protag immediately abandon both>not much elseAgain, though, I've only read 12 chapters of PH. PH is twice the length of FoE and I've heard it gets absolutely ridiculous later on. But based on what I've read so far, PH seems to be the better of the two stories.
I never actually finished the story and I still like to shit on it.
>He's praising the opening chapters of Project Horizon>He's unironically praising the edgelord version of FoE>He's called the rape victim a broodniggerExplains a lot about you, really.
>>43695953Yeah this. The entire idea of Fallout Equestria is shit by definition because it combines two genres that cannot be combined by definition without creating teenage edgelord garbage. Ponies and "post apocalyptic wasteland" do not mix.
>>43696475Well, like I said I've only read the first 12 chapters. From what I've heard PH gets much more bizarre and controversial later on. I read all of the original FoE and didn't like it, whereas I haven't read enough of PH to form a strong opinion. But based on the opening chapters alone, I would still argue that yes, PH is the better constructed story.
>>43696640The only way it could work is if it wasn't taken seriously. Unfortunately, it's probably taken WAY more seriously than even the most unbelievable of infection AUs, which are basically the same thing as FOE.
>>43696773I remember reading a post on here that refrained FOE as some silly filly in normal Equestria larping with her friends on the playground.It doesn't save the story, but it made me giggle.
>>43691350FoE is not good, it’s just foundational fandom autism. It’s badly written and just overly edgy for the sake of it sometimes. Like fluffies, but unironically. I thought Murky was decent though. I haven’t read any of the other stuff, but the concept can be done well. I’m horse gay if that matters.
Homage was meant to give the MC a place to feel like she wanted to go back to. The insta-romance was a bit cringe, but the rebound hookup was not completely out of place given the Velvet stuff prior.Taking notes from Fallout and basically ponifying the experience and stories was kinda the point from the start. Weave in some of the plot lines with some of the earlier season's (when it was written) lore. As for some of the more miserable endings like Pinkie Pie's, just remember that 99% of the pieces you ready throughout Fallout are from people who met their end in unhappy ways, and remind yourself that this is just a ponifying of those games.It's not a groundbreaking or particularily unique fanfic, but it was fun to read through even with some of the glaring issues. Of course the mane 6 were going to have some pretty bad endings when they're pinned as the head of Equestria.
>>43694193I do things to survive is the mantra of these kinds of stories. Life sucks, the world sucks, I need to live first and foremost. There's points where characters in stories like these get pushed to their edge and the writer has a choice to make them fall or rebound on their morals, and there's multiple points it happens in the fic itself. It's been at least 10 years since I've read the fic, but I swear there was a pervasive thought of 'I will bring you together again' related to the statues.
>>43696828When she got a full set, separate from her own, she gave it to Velvet, I think, and made her promise to never seperate them ever again.
FoE's alright I guess
It's spiritually israeli
>>43697542Ponies?
>>43691350peta the horse is here
Fallout Equestria is the perfect example of the idea that you don't need good or even decent writing as long as your work makes your audience feel things. It's bad, but it has stalwart defenders and a big fandom. Personally I preferred Murky Number Seven.>>43691620Kkat Is a tranny though. Also a furry guro artist. It's a shame Project AFTER forums went down as some guy there made a good write-up of KKat's story.>>43691655>Littlepip is one of the most unintentionally hateworthy protagonists I've ever encounteredhttps://rentry.org/5sa9oi5u
>>43696828>>43696895>I do things to survive is the mantra of these kinds of stories. Life sucks, the world sucks, I need to live first and foremost. There's points where characters in stories like these get pushed to their edge and the writer has a choice to make them fall or rebound on their morals, and there's multiple points it happens in the fic itselfThat's not what's going on here though. Taking this little magic statue that provides a small stat boost isn't really a matter of life and death. And the problem I ultimately have with it isn't even whether or not she takes the stupid thing, it's that the act of taking it never even bothers her. Pinkie's tragic death and the fact that she died before she was able to make amends with Twilight is the whole point of the scene, but the author completely undermines his own point by having his protagonist commit this incredibly insensitive act while shedding crocodile tears over Pinkie and Twilight. If Pip just spent maybe one or two sentences of internal monologue grappling with whether or not she ought to put the statue back, it would make all the difference. Even if she ultimately ends up keeping it for some pragmatic reason that makes sense in a post-apocalypse, just adding that one extra beat would at least prove she understands the problem and feels bad about taking the statue. That would have made all the difference.>I swear there was a pervasive thought of 'I will bring you together again' related to the statues.>When she got a full set, separate from her own, she gave it to Velvet, I think, and made her promise to never seperate them ever again.I went back and looked some of this up. It's eventually revealed that the statues were created by Rarity using some kind of weird forbidden zebra magic. They're constructed from pieces of Rarity's soul along with aspects of the rest of the mane 6 that she collected by having them walk across some kind of magical soul-collecting carpet. It's bizarre and overly complicated, but the basic idea is that in the last days of Equestria when everything was falling apart, she created these statues that are kinda-sorta made from the souls of her friends so that the six of them could always be together. Pip eventually learns this and at that point her collection of the statues becomes more about symbolically reuniting the M6. And I think she does indeed give them to Velvet at the end. However none of this info is revealed until like ch 37 or so, at the point in the story we're discussing she's just collecting statues she keeps finding.
>>43698277This list actually hits I think just about every objection I had to this character.>Fallout Equestria is the perfect example of the idea that you don't need good or even decent writing as long as your work makes your audience feel thingsAgreed, with the addendum that it doesn't so much make the audience feel things as it emotionally manipulates the audience with tearjerker scenes that distract you from the fact that the protagonist of the story is an absolute cunt most of the time.
>>43698277>https://rentry.org/5sa9oi5uI'm failing to see how any of this is different from the morality of the average person. Your average dude is a hypocrite. The ones who claim that they are somehow better than others are usually hypocrites twice-over.I don't know where the whole "Littlepip is portrayed as a hero" thing comse from, to be honest. I never saw her that way. I saw her as a naive wannabe-hero who fucked up a whole hell of a lot but managed to come back from it and do some good, usually because she had people in her corner despite all her myriad fuck-ups. Seems pretty human to me.
The fandom will give every unicorn twilight level magic like magic wasn't why she got her cutie mark.But the moment you give an earth pony super strength it's a big deal.
>>43698471yes because this is a unicorn supremacist board and worst ponies deserve nothing
>>43698486I'm gonna do experiments with your anus.
>>43691634no it isn't. Being a contrarian faggot isn't based
>>43698471Strength is more of a pegasi thing anyway, but really strength is more of a pleb thing. Fallout is a setting where luck is literally a main stat so powerful earth ponies should be cranking that shit beyond all reasonable measure.
>>43691655i was never really bothered by how OP littlepip is since i just read her as being written like both an average fallout player and fallout protagonist. the epilogue was dogshit with making her fine and still being able to see her friends and fuck homage at the end though, completely killed the build-up about how she was going to be sealed away forever for the greater good.
>>43698738>>43698724it is though
>>43699123No, retard.
>>43699123It really isn't now that the entire internet has been overrun with disingenuous, emotionally compromised subhumans that regularly lie, gaslight, strawman, act obtuse, appeal to triviality, and mock to prevent any kind of good faith discourse since they can't handle any kind of criticism about their favorite things.
>>43699500Why are you talking about yourself here?
>>43698724>>43698738How the fuck is not posting about your personal life on the internet "being a contrarian faggot"?>>43699500>good faith discourse>hurr durr tell me who you are irl I only care about your identity
>>43698795>>43698371Unfortunately these are too reasonable of a take to be responded to by the turbo-autist who can't believe people actually like FOE in spite of its flaws.
>>43699513>peopleWe call these "cattle", son.
>>43699517>Why don't I like this popular thing?>Is it because I have different tastes and expectations to others?>No. Those who like popular thing must just be inferior to me.You're not special because you don't like FOE. You are special because you're boasting about how not liking it elevates you above others.
>>43699523Not liking an objectively poorly written fanfic that only cattle can enjoy does elevate me above others. Sorry!
>>43699523NTA, it does.
>>43698743Earf charisma is undefeated
>>43699513I'm going to respond, you turbonigger. Unlike you I actually have shit to do with my time that doesn't involve arguing with retards on /mlp/ all day.
copeseethemaldIn that order, please. Until you burst a blood vessel over how angry FOE makes you.
>>43700116Do you usually do this over things that you "don't care" for?
>>43691350I just do not like the gurokawa theme at face value, and I also agree with another Anon that crossovers tend to be shit. I have never read FoE.
>>43700116>cope>seethe>mald>In that order, please. Until you burst a blood vessel over how angry FOE makes you.
We got a touch guy around here, huh.
>Rollspammer like foeOf course
Does rollfagging not count as spam to the jannies?
>>43700435God I love Strawbfag. I haven't seen him in a while.
>>43700445Kill yourself
>>43700448OMG HI STRAWBFAG!! I LOVE YOU!!
I wanna roll too, how do i do it?
Rolled 29 (1d100)>>43700453>>anons taking the b8First day?
Rolled 3 (1d10)I rate this thread 7/10
>>43700116>enters thread about how FOE is bad>is mad that people are discussing how FOE is bad
>>43698358When storytelling is done well you don't notice it and enjoy the experience. When it's not you feel emotionally manipulated. You're correct here. If you'd like to see more from the guys who made that list they had a mock of the fanfic and a good deal of it was archived, here is a html archive with the links: https://files.catbox.moe/mg0aq6.html Just download and open it in your browser. I was way younger when I read it so I don't know how much the "guys make fun of a bad fanfic" humor holds up now. The first page also links to some evidence of Kkatman being male.>>43699513Actually no, I didn't reply to >>43698371 because he is one of the stalwart defenders I mentioned and I don't feel like going in circles with someone who "believes" the average person is like that or that Littlepip isn't meant to be a hero despite her portrayal, fate, and dialogue.>people actually like FOE in spite of its flaws.People have been liking garbage that appeals to them before we had the internet and they will continue to do so.
>>43700705>stalwart defenderI'd bet you money I posted that image before you even heard about 4chan in middle-school. You're probably more of a hypocrite than Pip, tbhdesufamalampai.
I don't know who is arguing for what side anymore now, but I just want to say FoE is garbage.
>>43700719Aw baby is mad
>>43700844
>>43700847You know the rules.
>>43700847>>43700850NEW RULE: posting the GIF that shows the movie sped up in its entirely doesn't count.
>>43700850https://thepiratebay.org/description.php?id=5985856Sure do. Just don't fucking care anymore. Not like newfags watch good movies anyway.
>>43691350The worst part of it is how it’s basically just a rip off of Fallout 3 right down to copying dungeons and locations from the game. To say nothing of how cringy it is that it tries to incorporate VATS and level ups into the story. The only reasons it got any praise was because it was the first MLP fanfic to have an epic scope and also because the peak of FiM’s popularity coincided with the peak of Fallout’s popularity.
>>43700854That's not a stream link, son...
>>43700856You're not a stream link. So there.
>>43700860S-shut up!
>>43696640I think post apocalyptic ponies could work if it leaned more into fantasy rather than trying to force guns and Fallout-esque aesthetics into it.
>>43700855>copying dungeons and locations from the gameIt's really bad when you remember that Khat was capable of coming up with his own renames, like the Steel Rangers which is badass, but HAS to make a pony pun out of Tenpony Tower. I get it's more in-line with the show because of shit like Manehattan and Las Pegasus and whatever the fuck else, but that's usually a source of criticism, especially from this very board.>To say nothing of how cringy it is that it tries to incorporate VATS and level ups into the story.That was probably one of the more downright retarded parts of the entire fic, and that's saying something.
>>43691350It's a great concept but the story is stupid. Samurai Applejack would be a way better crossover.
>>43701134The puns don’t bother me. Even in the show, I find the puns endearing, since the show always had a very playful and tongue-in-cheek tone. My main issue is genuinely that FoE is a mediocre story at best from a craft standpoint, yet it’s hailed as a masterpiece to the point it got an actual publication and acknowledgment by Bethesda. I still feel that My Little Dashie is the best of the “classic” MLP fanfics. I feel that one is a solid melodrama even if you take ponies out the equation. Also, Littlepip being a lesbian really feels like wish fulfilment and redundant to the plot.
>>43700861no
>>43691350the fanfic is written like ass, but I personally really like the idea of fallout reinterpreted through the lense of a different setting, and equstria is a very stange, unique and magical place which makes it very engaging with it sort of magitech edge to the whole thing, so I only really engage with tetriary content like other people's fanfics set in the setting but disconected from the plot and characters of the og fanfic, and game projects like FoE remains, and that one 3d one that I saw got an update but I have yet to actually check it out.
>>43701156>I still feel that My Little Dashie is the best of the “classic” MLP fanfics. I feel that one is a solid melodrama even if you take ponies out the equation.I'm inclined to agree. MLD isn't especially ambitious but it's good for what it is. FOE is a much more ambitious idea attempted by a much less skilled writer.
>>43698342I guess my other problem with your autism fit is that these are horses that are propped up as some who committed the worst crimes and lead to the distruction of Equestria. While there'd be a little sympathy for someone cowering in the corner wishing she could see her friend again, at the start of collecting the trophies, they're just remnents of a time long passed with a history far greater than she could of known. As she finds out more, she's moved emotionally and empathetically to find all of them and reunite them. The more she actually learns about their story, the more she feels attached to them in some way.Again, this is all me going off my memory of reading the fic 10+ years ago. I still have a physical copy sitting in my closet, but I haven't touched it since that reread.
>>43692301They also could've just had the setup be "Human shit from the Fallout universe appears in the pony world, and radically alters the status quo." Just accept the premise is ludicrous and get on with the moral dilemmas now that they're here.
>>43702858Okay. So what exactly are you trying to say here?
>>43692052Good fic, one of my favorites. Been about a decade since reading in full, but can remember most story beats well.
>>43691350I think it's pretty ok read, wasn't something amazing but not bad either.
>>43691350trve
There are FoE fics that are better than the original.
>>43704109Like?
>>43704154I'll answer when the thread is on Page 9/10 to hide the fact I'm bumping this thread to see if anyone bites my bait so I can continue my unhinged rant on why LilPip taking a dead pony's doll make her literal hitler.
>>43704393Well? I want to hear your unhinged rant.
>>43691435>Don't forget the scene where she masturbates while vomiting!May I see this? For a friend of course.
>>43691411>>43691574>>43691661>>43705079>https://www.fimfiction.net/story/119190/17/fallout-equestria/chapter-fifteen-whispers-in-the-darknessFrom>“No! Don’t go! I’m trapped!”to>Suddenly, I felt a heaving inside me, and the taste of bile. Pushing to the edge of the bed, I vomited into the crevasse between the bed and the wall.So next time someone claims such bullshit, and they can't provide the sauce, you know they are trolling and/or a delusional neurotic. Or they've been so mentally broken over others enjoying something they personally don't that they areA) Knowingly lying about events from the story because it makes them feel betterB) Having actual trouble remembering the story
>>43705190That's pretty hot.
>>43705190>Or they've been so mentally broken over others enjoying something they personally don'tisn't it usually the other way around since you have to be mentally retarded to enjoy something like foe?
>>43705190First of all, I don't know why you replied to me. I have nothing to do with the vomit masturbation.Second of all, he was slightly off about his description. It's like, 90% accurate.
>>43704393lmao, I'm the guy who wrote the effortpost about what was wrong with Pinkie taking the statue, and I haven't made a substantial contribution to this thread in days. I'm amazed it's still being bumped. At this point I'm genuinely curious to know why this subject makes you so buttmad.
>>43705268He was as accurate comparing the act of pissing while sleeping to the act of sleeping after pissing. He deliberately muddled the facts so he could post something you usually see in tabloids.Also,>>43705190>they can't provide the saucemeans its easier for him to claim whatever he imagines will get him the moat replies.
>>43705190neat
>>43705591I see vomiting. I see masturbation. Sounds about right to me.
>>43705591>He deliberately muddled the facts--Mmm, no.
>>43701156>Also, Littlepip being a lesbian really feels like wish fulfilment and redundant to the plot.Littlepip's entire character is wish fulfillment but unlike a retarded board OC like say, anon, she doesn't have the decency to be funny>>43705190The reason why people can't actually argue on why FOE is shit with people like you is because how disingenuous you are.>W-well acshually she didn't vomit while masturbating! She just masturbated while her friend was sleeping next to her and THEN vomited. Gotcha you're mentally ill!>delusional neurotic>mentally brokenEasy there Optoma, nobody besides you is mentally affected by a shitty oldfic. People read it, found it silly and when they saw a thread about not caring for it they pointed out their opinion. I can tell theory of mind and self-awareness are not your forte but trust me when I say that they are not the ones coming across as affected.
Das a hole lot of cope to not admit you're wrong. Hopefully when this thread dies because you're not around to bump it any more for... whatever reason you have for doing so, you can move on with the rest of your week instead of spending it seething that there exists even one person who dares defend why they like something you don't.
>>43705847You are quite possibly the biggest retard I've ever encountered on /mlp/, and that's saying something.
>>43705847I sincerely pity your existence
>>43705847Are you mentally well? Curious.
Holy crap Fallout Equestria is such fucking shit lol
>>43705847>Is proven wrong>"DURR DAS COPE LOL! I TYPE LIKE I'M ON REDDIT!"FOEfags, everyone.
>>43706549Nobody said that though
>>43705847>Das a hole I said this when I saw Littlepip's ponut
>>43706551I did.
>>43693594>>43693876>>43694740Anon of these posts (and a couple others but I'm getting spam filtered) here with some more driveby thoughts:I picked up Pink Eyes recently, and so far (I'm only about halfway through chapter 5) I think it does many things better than the original FoE. For one, it does seem more focused on telling a story than trying to fit blatant wish fulfillment into one. I was also kind of worried that it'd be nothing but "isn't this so fucked up this is happening to le heckin fillerino???" It's still early, so it could still end up like that, but so far nothing has really come off of as overly done to me.I see a lot of anons bringing up the level ups and game mechanics as part of the story here, and I think in the wider context of contemporary story writing FoE actually is unique in how it handles it. When I was younger I definitely would've agreed harder that the game mechanics have no real place in the story, but now being more exposed to the gamelit/litrpg genres, I can say wholeheartedly that FoE is not the worst offender in this regard. In fact, FoE is almost close to my ideal useage of this, as a way of giving the reader a barometer how bullshit what a character does in a story is, without having any real bearing on how characters act. That is to say, it's a writer's promise that those are in fact the exact capabilities of a character. However, FoE breaks that promise pretty consistently, so its actual value is lost. The only saving grace here is that none of the characters directly talk about or explain the system (something that is too common amongst these kinds of stories).>>43701156I actually think should be clarified that Bethesda didn't just acknowledge FoE, but rather it's likely that FoE has had more tangible influence on Bethesda Fallout from 4 onward than even Fallout 3, let alone Classic Fallout. I could imagine Emil being jealous that people generally pan his 'great American novel' of F4 while 'literally F3 with gay ponies' gets to sit in the Library of Congress, and that kind of leading him in a direction where modern Fallout has to do the 'real' versions of those ideas. Or maybe bad writers just think a like, who knows?
>>43707319>it's likely that FoE has had more tangible influence on Bethesda Fallout from 4 onward than even Fallout 3As soon as the memory orb shit came up in FoE, I immediately suspected Fallout 4 copied that in its Memory Den plot. It's way too close not to draw parallels with. Not to mention the fact that the Wilson Atomatoys location has blatant references to FiM in its terminal entries.
>>43691350>You are in a small panic room with Twilight Sparkle, Rainbow Dash, and Fluttershy.>The fire sprinklers above you are slowly filling the room with water, threatening to drown you all."Well, since we're all gonna die, there's one more secret I feel I have to share with you.">A pause, as you ponder your next words."I did not care for Fallout Equestria.">The room goes silent, save for the sprinklers.>Twilight was the first one to speak.>"What?""Did not care for Fallout Equestria.">"How can you even say that, Anon?" Rainbow Dash asked."I didn't like it.">"Anon, it's so good! It's like, the perfect crossover series!""See, this is what everyone always says. Whenever they say, it's like, 'oh my-' everyone always says-">Rainbow Dash begins listing off the names of various popular FoE side fics.>"Murky Number Seven, Pink Eyes, I mean-""Listen-">"You never read- PROJECT HORIZONS?!" Dash practically screams."I know, fine. Fine side fic, did not like the main story.">"Why not?""I couldn't get into it.">"Explain yourself, Anon," Twilight said. "What didn't you like about it?""It insists upon itself, Twilight.">"What?""It insists upon itself.">"What does that even mean?""It takes forever getting in. They spend nearly three and a half hours, and then- You know, I can't even get through it, I can't even finish the story. I've never even read the ending.">Silence.>"YOU'VE NEVER READ THE ENDING?!" Rainbow Dash yelled.>From her quiet corner of the flooding room, Fluttershy speaks up.>"How can you say you don't like it if you haven't even given it a chance?">Rainbow nods her head. "Yeah, I agree with Fluttershy. It's not really fair.""I have tried on three separate occasions to get through it, and I get to the chapter where Littlepip sneaks out of Ponyville.">"Yeah, it's a great chapter. I love that chapter." Twilight added."It's not a great- I have no idea what they're talking about. It's like they're speaking a different language, that's where I lose interest and walk away.">"THEY'RE SPEAKING EQUESTRIAN!" Dash yelled.>"You know what, Anon?" Twilight's voice rose. "The language they're speaking is a language of subtlety, it's something you don't understand!""I love Five Score Divided by Four. That is my answer to that statement.">"Exactly, you're a TF faggot.">You are surprised to hear that slur come out of her mouth, but considering you've been around these ponies for a while now, it's no big surprise they've picked up on your particular vocabulary."Well, there you go.">"Whatever.">The room grows silent once more. Water continues to sprinkle down from above. Then Rainbow Dash speaks up.>"I like that story, too."
>>43707439Yeah those, plus the direct 'Sunshine and rainbows' dialogue with Preston, and basically the entirety of Nuka World. I haven't played 76, nor do I really care about much related to it, so I don't know if it has any either. I am suspicious of the Amazon Show being a loose adaptation of PH, since a lot plot points/summaries I've seen make it seem like there's way more than just a coincidental amount of similarities between the two (as an aside it also might have influenced the Frontier lol). It's only a suspicion since I haven't actually read PH to make that judgment fully, with the obvious problem there being reading PH.
>>43707439>Fallout 4 is influenced by FoE>It's pure slopIt really makes you think
>Find a thread critiqueing a fanfic>It's infested with troon-obssessed sub-/b/tards circlejerking over how enlightened they are for hating popular thingMy expectations were not set low enough.
>>43707824>"Everyone I hate is from X board!"FOEfags, everyone.
>>43707925Long ago, he would have just blamed ponychan.
>>43707925What's crazy is that many of the critiques in this thread are also ones I've seen from FOEfags when discussing the original. Which leads me to think that this is mostly about people calling Kkat a(n obvious) tranny over anything else being said here.
>>43708072ZZZZZZZZZ....
>>43707470A lot of people wouldn't have bothered to rewrite the entire bit. You did. Kudos.
>>43707319>>43707439>>43707676As a extremely long time fallout fan thus makes way too much sense as to why everything has been so dogshit.But at the same time the idea that Emil and the other fags at Bethesda are taking mist of their inspiration from a fucking poorly written mlp fanfic, is inducing this strange and immensely painful nauseating vertigo in me that kinda makes me wanna cry.
>>43708094>Posts Anonfilly Pottery
>>43708540I mean, people were predicting the fall of Fallout long before FO:E, to be perfectly honest. If you can stomach it, /v/ probably has the screencap of all the predictions that came true.
>>43708900>"POSTING A BOARD OC IS... IS LE BAD, OKAY?!?!"FOEfags, everyone.>>43708540>the idea that Emil and the other fags at Bethesda are taking mist of their inspiration from a fucking poorly written mlp fanficI'm pretty sure it's not THAT true. Preston mentions ponies once and a terminal has Derpy's "I just don't know what went wrong" line. I haven't played that much of F4 though, so the other anons may be right or not.
>>43709112The Preston dialogie is only like five or six lines, but it's still a direct reference to FoE's ending. Put it in the light of the "Why FNV Sucks, Actually" presentation Besthesda did. I was one who said that maybe Emil was jealous, but it's equally likely he or some other writer at the studio holds it in high regard, and much higher than the good entries in the series. However, if it was one of the writers I guess it wouldn't explain why the Amazon Show also seems to take a lot from FoE despite not being made by people who played any of the games. Unless pic related is true...
>>43709460Is that Todd and Josh Haber?
>>43707470Nice green.
