W editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cum3HoVhMIshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0rAB3yCwFwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--BA3fWEoBchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kylUqeREx1Ehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J897QmsByLMThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPreviously, on /classical/: >>130374019
Reminder that all paths lead to the Romantic era. No matter where you think you currently are and how you think you got there, the only way forward is Romantic.R.
>>130393449Not musichttps://youtu.be/TdJjqApa3e0
I like the song that goes WOOO BOOM WOOOO BOOM!!!!!
it looks like someone forgot to keep his farm equipment chained up.
Dvorakhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNU4V4WmdQ4&list=OLAK5uy_kQwL0hBNMPUDU_tgIkBGYsegspyB2lTAk&index=1
>>130393438the four-part forms of eleventh and thirteenth chords are quartal tetrads.
>>130393541https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RSlYY1NS10&list=RD4RSlYY1NS10&start_radio=1
>>130393436Hmm, I don't think so. I think there are not that many Haydn and Mozart enjoyers who don't also enjoy some Bach and Handel. On the other hand, i get the impression that there are quite a lot of people who only go back to Beethoven (especially late Beethoven) who don't care about Mozart and Haydn.
>>130393999I doubt it. There is way more shared musical genetics between Mozart's last symphonies, the London symphonies, and the Eroica. No one is really BABIAA outside of a meme, but the only person I could imagine insisting that they 'can only listen' to Beethoven and after is even more of a play actor or at least someone who hasn't really listened for very long or deeply enough to appreciate the music on the level of form. Even late Beethoven doesn't deviate from classical forms to the same extent as Romantic music, as that intermittently posted Charles Rosen excerpt on the use of the mediant in the late quartets pointed out. The reason that BABIAA even became something that would be in Life magazine caricature of a high culture striver is because it was a response and reaction to the continuity of the Viennese tradition, like those quotations from Reich and Gould about being indifferent to almost everything from the classical and Romantic periods. Haydn and Handel might share more in terms of vertical harmony compared to late Romantic music, but if that's all you care about, you're listening like a pop listener.
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What's the point of Fugues? Are they supposed to sound good?
>>130394263Yes
>>130394201what are you talking about?
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOdGACCDaZo
>>130395049How are you finding all these lesser-known and contemporary composers?
>>130395093what do you mean? Wuorinen is a widely recognized composer:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmz4yjUjMQk
>>130393436this place is unfortunately filled with untreated autistic people who love absolute rules and patterns
Schubert is simply the composer whose melodies agree the most with my brain and soul
>>130395720I always felt his symphonies came up short for his talents but then again he died young, so he probably would have ended up writing 20 of them -- he was merely getting started with the 8th and 9th. So sad.
>>130395830Even in his first symphony I feel the same attraction I feel from his most famous worksAbbado's is my favorite recording
>>130395850In that case, I am happy you found your soulmate composer.
Wagnerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eur0aczQ8E&list=OLAK5uy_kM1JPU5OyArmLh6zKCJyJ4t-sUPxmMuto&index=1
masterpiece
>>130394176>There is way more shared musical genetics between Mozart's last symphonies, the London symphonies, and the EroicaSure. There is also much more shared genetics between CPE Bach and anything by Haydn than between Schumann and Haydn.The original post said pre-1840 which excludes Beethoven entirely, so your babbling becomes even more nonsensical. >Haydn and Handel might share more in terms of vertical harmony compared to late Romantic music, but if that's all you care about, They shade more than just harmony, which itself is already something quite large and important. You're either ragebaiting or an actual musically illiterate tard.
>>130393449>Throughout your works I found again the solemnity of the grand sounds of Nature in her grandest aspects, as well as the solemnity of the grand passions of man. One feels immediately carried away and dominated Quite often I experienced a sensation of a rather bizarre nature, which was the pride and the joy of understanding, of letting myself be penetrated and invaded — a really sensual delight that resembles that of rising in the air or tossing upon the sea. And the music at the same time would now and then resound with the pride of life. Generally these profound harmonies seemed to me like those stimulants that quicken the pulse of the imagination
>>130397301>Sure. There is also much more shared genetics between CPE Bach and anything by Haydn than between Schumann and Haydn.Never denied this, could easily have demarcated CPE Bach/Mannheim School as the starting point. Haydn just makes the point most clearly because he's likely the most closely associated with the emergence of the Viennese/Austro-German classical forms. Not relevant to the point.>The original post said pre-1840 which excludes Beethoven entirely, so your babbling becomes even more nonsensical.Beethoven was brought up in the post I replied to, so you're the only person making the point unclear.>They shade more than just harmony, which itself is already something quite large and important.Disingenuous and evasive remark.
>>130397376>could easily have demarcated CPE Bach/Mannheim School as the starting point.No, you could not. There is no such thing as a "starting point". It is a spectrum. You "could have" started with Corelli just as well, since the functional harmony and baroque forms were codified by him. Or go back to the renaissance masters who preceded him. There is no limit to how much backwards you can walk this way.>Beethoven was brought up in the post I replied to, so you're the only person making the point unclear.You're making all this unclear and incredibly cringe by trying to connect your memes to someone's musical preferences.
>>130397433Yeah, you're again doing a motte and bailey thing where you state obvious banalities to muddy the waters. No one who isn't an idiot is going to disagree that music develops over history on a spectrum. That's precisely why the pretence of 'I can only listen to music before/after such-and-such year' is always a sort of stupid meme.
>>130397520>That's precisely why the pretence of 'I can only listen to music before/after such-and-such year' is always a sort of stupid memeYes, it is a stupid meme. But it is not logically invalid. You can have preferences inside of that spectrum.
>>130397596Sure, you can have preferences. But I simply don't trust that you are really a good Beethoven listener if you think Mozart and Haydn are basic and boring.
Classical would be able to convey much more emotion with vocals. I can listen to Mozart for hours and hours without feeling a single thing.
>>130397624Music is not about conveying emotions.
>>130397650wat
>>130397674Can you not read?
>Music is not about conveying emotions.
>>130397638>that make me suspicious of claims that one would love Romantic music to the complete exclusion of classical,That shouldn't be too difficult to imagine. Certain people may be more drawn to those exact romantic aesthetics in music, rather than the general forms and whatever abstract similarities there are between romantic and preceding/succeeding periods.
>Music is all about conveying emotions.
>>130393449>Listen to Parsifal>15 minute overture-skipped>Guy sings"Gawain is wounded he needs a bath go run him a bath">"But the only relief he'll get is being cured, we'll run his bath">"Good go run his bath">"Oh look here comes the wild women!">"Yes she's coming closer">"Here she is!">Wild women: "I brought Gawain a balsam, don't ask me more I'm tired">"I'll give him this balsam then he can have his bath"*Sigh and turn it off
>>130397680I can certainly imagine it. But such a person is basically treating classical like a popular music listener and I would not trust their judgement.
>>130397624Are you under the illusion that Mozart's music lacks vocals?
>>130397690>basically treating classical like a popular music listenerHow? Why would they even listen to classical music in the first place, if they were treating it as popular music?
>>130397684Who are you quoting?
>>130397705Listening to Romantic music to the complete exclusion of classical on the basis of feeling that it evokes some specific mood or aesthetic that sprung into being in 1840 rather than for its musical characteristics is not too distant from just putting on an aesthetic playlist from YouTube/Spotify. It's historically dubious and evinces no interest in the musical means by which any of these pieces achieve their effect.
>>130397699All classical does.
>>130397736>is not too distant from just putting on an aesthetic playlist from YouTube/SpotifyWhat do you mean by "aesthetic playlist"? Why does it mean I'm treating classical music as popular music if I make a playlist of French baroque music?>historically dubious and evinces no interest in the musical means by which any of these pieces achieve their effectHow? These pirces achieve their effect purely in their own terms. You don't have to understand Haydn to understand Mahler, that's bullshit. Furthermore, you can understand Haydn and still pay no attention to him due to other reasons.
Are you supposed to quietly and sadly dance by yourself to Bach's cello suites? They are dance music after all
>>130397823That you resort to this level of obtuse pedantry really demonstrates how hard it is to make the original claim sound reasonable. No, making a French baroque playlist is not treating classical like popular music. Listening to a French baroque playlist because 'I can't listen to music after 1700 as it simply lacks that fancy high society aura that I love' is treating classical music like most people treat popular music i.e. a kind of pleasurable background noise that engenders specific effects to suit various moods or to accompany other activities. Not someone I would trust to give me a perspective on Beethoven.
Actually pretty good visual representation of Bach's cello suites
What is it about Beethoven's piano sonatas that makes them so masculine?
>>130398640good taste.
>>130398640a certain ruggedness.
>>130397899>Listening to a French baroque playlist because 'I can't listen to music after 1700 as it simply lacks that fancy high society aura that I loveHigh society aura? Lol. You're really trying to make this whole thing absurd, when it isn't. People listen to specific genres and/or periods due to musical aesthetic preferences, which has nothing to do with non-musical qualities like social class.>Not someone I would trust to give me a perspective on Beethoven.Too bad this is an anonymous board so you can't really tell who's giving perspective on Beethoven.Anyway, this is incredibly boring and repetitive.
>>130398640It's not the sonatas but your little mind that can't think about anything without assigning gender norms to them.
What is it about Beethoven's piano sonatas that makes them so feminine?
>>130399249supreme taste.
Schumannhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2WugU0yWSE&list=PL5MVVDCvbwLyWLLwomfN42tr6vm8L2DYP&index=40
>>130398967More pedantry and obfuscation. What exactly are the 'musical aesthetic' qualities that you're referring to, since you've apparently excluded real musical qualities like form? Those characteristics you dismiss are what give music its qualities. Without that, yes, you are indeed left with vague non-musical concepts like 'romantic aesthetics' or 'high society aura'. There is little difference between my somewhat satirical example and calling all music before 1840 basic and boring on the basis of 'romantic aesthetics' that you refuse to define musically.
>>130397650retard take>>130398640big balls, caffeine and poor hygiene
Glenn Gould on Sonatashttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpvS5xBv5ZU
>>130397624This is just so wrong. I remember hearing from a music teacher before that "all Mozart is opera", yes, even his non-vocal works have operatic melodic qualities, just listen to his Violin Sonata No. 32 in B-flat major. Not to mention Mozart literally composed entire operas, and are arguably, the best works of his career.
Truth nuke: Neville Marriner's is the best recording of Hanel op. 6
>>130398001soulless piece of shit cover. if it doesn't have casals smoking, then it's not worth listening to.
Scirabidi Toilet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiAln1Gd7tE&list=RDoiAln1Gd7tE&start_radio=1
>>130399901Always kino
>>130400225I think it fits the cello suites
Option A: All recordings before 1955 get erased from historyOption B: All recordings after 1955 get erased from historyWhich one do you choose?
>>130400316Option A obviously
>>130400316Huh? That's not even hard, obviously A. Now, if the demarcation was 1970, 1980, or, god forbid, 1990? Now we're talkin'. Much more of a question.
>>130400316option A, no contest.
Dvorakhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1UkK5jFALY&list=OLAK5uy_mvtk-SNRqtvWuT8laeO3eOD5Wm4d7JOp0&index=1>Mstislav Rostropovich is the world's greatest cellist, and he has actually made at least five recordings of this greatest of all cello concertos. I have a certain preference for his later version, with Seiji Ozawa and the Boston Symphony Orchestra on Erato. This version has long been a prime recommendation, and in this new remastering at mid-price, it's an even better deal now. Herbert von Karajan accompanies with his usual expertise, and the Tchaikovsky performance is quite simply the finest around. This concerto is one of those pieces of which you'll want to have five or six copies. Just make sure this is one of them. --David Hurwitz
Are cellist Rostropovich and conductor Rostropovich the same person?
>>130400384Yesn't.
>>130400384Yessir. Same with pianist Barenboim and conductor Barenboim.
>>130400384Conductor Rostropovich is the same as cellist Rostropovich, except too old and frail to hold a bow.
>>130400316B
>>130400316I choose option C: all recordings are erased from history and music returns to a live-only artform.
>>130400408B-ased
>>130400421That's option D.
>>130400421yeah, so classical music would be dead within years due to prices skyrocketing.
>>130400609Music lovers would become amateur musicians and within years, community orchestras would be flourishing.
>>130393449It's almost June and with it 25/26 season is at the end. Which concerts have you enjoyed the most this season?I'll start, in no particular order. American Road Trip album played by Augistin Hadelich, especially: Filter, Hartke - Netsuke, Adams - Road Movies, Copland Two pieces for Violin and Piano (Ukelele Serenade). Amazing solo violin sometimes accompanied by piano.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOoEVrT8yDE&list=OLAK5uy_lSb2sNQnnnNoSgPhyNPN89o0IF5p9H5hc&index=15Steve Reich - Music for 18 Musicians played by Ensemble Signal. Very relaxing music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHlgiNgGACUTerry Riley - In C. Cello version. I really got into minimalism this year. Never really understood minimalism before.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX96z7AuICsBerlioz - Symphonie fantastique. Heard it before a few times, even went to a concert two years ago but it didn't really click. But now I heard it conducted by Klaus Mäkelä, with Chicago Symphony Orchestra and enjoyed it immensely.https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mByjCGHQNfquYNFetIF49tUQhBGUYSZaULiadov - Symphonic poems. Shame his output is very small. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iVX6soRQK8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvsVKIm0VXshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDKhr1ZdPcQFrom the standard repertoire heard Bach Cello Suites, Tchaikovsky 6, Dvorak 9, Mahler 1, Beethoven Violin Concerto. All as good as they were a few hundred years ago.
>>130400621that's wrong.
>>130400777Nah, they're right. It could actually save classical.
>>130400421Yeah and more people would be listening to Andre Rieu's performances
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7uyk9NANmY
>>130401099absurdly fast tempo
