Why did Pinkerton get so much shit when it came out? It sounds very in line with Blue Album so it is very startling it seemed to get this very negative reception at first
Because it's shit.
>>130411799It's an embarrassing perverted sperg out
>>130411825So like Blue Album
96 was kind of the last year of the grunge zeitgeist, and I've heard this was seen kind of like a step backward. Blue was seen as kind of refreshing, being a fun dorky almost novelty record (in the eyes of the masses, at least). When Rivers wanted to put out his cred record, it was probably the worst time to do it. Despite being seen as influential on emo, not a lot of bands actually took from its sound either. The Get Up Kids kinda did... and there was Ozma, if you were plugged in.
>>130411825Not all that surprising when you consider Rivers was high as a kite the whole production. He was on more drugs than Jim Morrison to get through that leg-lengthening operation.
>>130411799Where are the pop songs? Where are the catchy licks like Say it ain't so? There's none. It's a bland punk styled album with just power chords.
People thought it was grunge compared to blue. Idk I hear tired of sex and across the sea and thinks its blue but better and more exciting
It's a normie filter
>>130411991>leg-lengthening operation.lmao seriously? did not realize how much a desperate coping incel this dude is
>>130412094It was cause one leg was much shorter than the other, you can actually see him leaning on the blue album cover
>>130412004el scorcho? the good life? across the sea? did you even listen to the album?
>>130411799I don't know, it's one of the most baffling reactions in music I know of. I hear it and it's a decent record, not nearly as radical a departure from the blue album as you'd be lead to believe, with some catchy tunes. Seems like sometimes people just trend sperg out about things in the moment.
>at ten I shaved my head and tried to be a monk>I thought the older women would like me if I didmakes me laugh everytime
>>130412214that girl who sent the letter is now 48
>>130411799>It sounds very in line with Blue AlbumThat's the point. People realized acually Weezer fucking sucked.
>>130411991Opioids really do make you sperg out after awhile
>>130412004Some of the most catchy songs of that decade are on this album. The fuck?
>>130411799nerds weren't cool until 2007
>>130412004Shut up normie, Pinkerton is their best album
>>130411799you're dumb and a transbian
>>130411799Rivers was so vulnerable on record it turned people off. He never attempted to be this vulnerable again and started writing music by making spreadsheets to maximize catchiness.
>>130411799did it?i remember it getting glazed way more than blue album
>>130411813>>130411825Dumb fucking faggot retards.
>>130411825That's every Weezer album, though. Except Teal which is just cringe for the sake of being cringe.
>>130411825we need to platform spergs again>>130412537trvke. like xans giving you xanrage.
>>130412109did he ever consider not being born a gimp?
>>130411799oversharing: the album
>tfw no 18 year old japanese fangirls in my DMs
>>130412260she's actually younger because >You are totally 18th and not a day younger hehewas something Rivers knew he had to add to write a song about a high schooler he wanted to fuck.
>>130412004c'mon... really???
>>130418060>he wanted to fuck.he would never touch her... he thinks it would be wrong.
>>130411799Because there weren’t yet enough incels to resonate with the songs. This was a time when the vast majority of people had had sex at least once by the time they were 18.
>>130412260>>130418060The questions she was sending him in the mail is pretty basic shit that they teach ESLs in Japan when they first learn English in high school. Would be funny af if she just had an assignment to write a letter to a famous person in English and chose someone on the radio which is why she’s asking retarded shit like when his birthday is and what his favorite food is.
how can you be an incel when you are literally "tired of sex" and famous.
>>130418148You don’t have to be an Incel to sing about incel topics.
>>130418156my culture is not your costume
>>130411799Maddening, this album infuriates. As much as The Blue CD was negatively inspirational for me to act 'n' do anything so as to rebel against Weezer's horrendous attitude 'n' musical atrocity, it was far better than this album. Alt rock with honestly negative side effects.But wait! "Tired of Sex" would probably make my Weezer best of, were it not for thee lyrics. & that's where thee rest of thee album fails too, where thee entire Weezer structure of self deprecation 'n' uninspired slacker ethics reveals its devious thoughtlessness. You can't be alternative if yer not presenting an alternative to thee world around you; it is decidedly unpunk to glory in what makes society stagnant. Rivers' songs are about girls in thee cheapest ways possible, claiming emotions are contained in mysoginstic desires. This is not thee punk rock I remember, not even thee horniest garage single tries to disguise its libido in poetry, as thee 10 songs on this album do.Things like thee line jacked from Public Enemy accomplish nothing. It is none of thee following 3: a) a clever reference thee fanbase will appreciate; b) a tribute to greatness that Weezer aspires to; c) a humorous irony since most listeners will assume that it is just another goofy out of place lyric, oh that Rivers! Nope, it is premium degradation of musical values. Thee hero in "Pink Triangle" ends up enamored of a lesbian, oops! Funny enuff for a 20 second grindcore mockery, but thee serious ballad that it attempts does not come off as interestingly unique, emotional or funny at all. I don't think his never-there 18 year old love (who paid too much to be in thee Weezer fanclub) is inspiring in thee slightest either. Dreck. A lack of imagination. There are many things to call it. Radio fodder for kids who know it's lame to like BET.Weezer cheapens music because of their insincerity. Listen to Pinkerton to observe thee one trait I could rid this world of if I could
Actual old guy who lived through this era.It didn't have a bad reaction.Never did.My friends and I immediately thought it was better than the blue album.ONE major music mag, rolling stone or spin gave it a poor score, that's where the meme comes from.It'd be like if rotten tomatoes posted reviews from only five critics and 3 of them hated it, but it turned out the other 200 critics loved it, but they were never repped or asked their opinion.I will say the deeper lyrics and darker themes got rid of the jocks and normies who wore backwards hats at the time.
>>130418072Yeah like when you think an underaged girl is hot bout you know it would be wrong to hit it
>>130418845I dont have that problem, really. If a high school girl wants to fuck me I will have zero moral conundrums about it. thankfully none of them want me because I would be in jail at this point.
>>130418496Yep. It was mostly Rivers himself who created and spread this narrative during his contrarian shitposter phase, first in his head and then in the public imagination. Mainly to cope with the album's lack of hits, which he is perpetually and pathologically chasing to this day.Fuzzy alt-rock had a very brief mainstream window, and by '96 it was on its last legs. Nothing could have turned Pinkerton into a blockbuster, unless we're making it ska, adding breakbeats or bringing Puff Daddy in.
>>130411799nah its pretty different from blue. think back to like 97 too, before all the music developments since then. the mainstream sees weezer as the buddy holly guys, the nerds that sound like cars/cheap trick, and they drop an album whining about japanese schoolgirls and lesbians not sucking his dick with no real pop singles
>>130418496It sold poorly relative to expectations and El Scorcho was a massive flop as a single. You and your friends were in the minority.
>>130421614The Good Life is a great single though. Even my 70 year old mom who only really liked Hash Pipe also ended up liking that one as well.
>>130421790Yeah, Good Life is the closest thing on there to a radio friendly track. It should have been bigger. Even that was still a bit rougher than the Blue singles but could fit on there. Otherwise you had El Scorcho which was too quirky (sure it worked for Sweater Song but that was more an alt radio hit), and other tracks too personal/raw. People were probably expecting more Buddy Holly.
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LET ME KNOOOOOOOWW THE TRUTH
>>130411799it got "mixed" reviews because it's not very good. I had heard stories about how this brilliant album was unfairly trashed when it first came out and was only recognized as the work of art it is later on, but if you go back and look at reviews it was getting like 3/5s. The thing didn't get criticized that harshly at all.
>>130412862When it came out, no. It wasn't universally hated, but the general audience liked it less than the Blue Album. They thought it was too messy and raw by comparison. But by the time the Green Album came out it was already reevaluated as a fantastic album.Personally I don't see Pinkerton as all that radical a change from the Blue Album so looking at the initial reviews now is a bit baffling.
the normies wanted fun nerds not sad nerds
>>130411799In short, it might sound like the blue album to you now, but the differences were more glaring in 96. It's way more raw and there's no "Buddy Holly" or "Say It Ain't So" on it, no pop hit. "El Scorcho" was the single off Pinkerton, It's one of the best imo but that shit sounds weird to normies, it's too goofy.Also there's been a million threads on this, last week there was one. Do newfags not know about the archive?
>>130426400The decision to make the next one "The Green Album" is so funny to me.Hey guys remember "The Blue Album"? You liked that one, well here's "The Green Album". We're back on track, please ignore Pinkerton
Between the bassline, Rivers wwooooaah! Screams, and the off the fretboard solo Tired of Sex is a top 3 Weezer song alongside Only in Dreams
>>130421837Across the Sea and even Tired of Sex (maybe to lesser degree) make for great pop radio friendly songs especially in the 90s
across the sea is the best song that fag ever wrote
