Greatest man who has ever lived or will ever live - Chopin edition.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI2OUGm-d6kThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>130393449
https://youtu.be/s5gAk4f592c?si=IqbokkiLKEaRQqYHi was listening to this while killing time last night. fun listen and not too demanding
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOBAnlQhjVwJust posting the best prelude.
>>130420031> I'm looking for a Saint Saens violin piece but I'm unable to find the title.> https://vocaroo.com/17uSfvCUH1qN Any idea what piece this is from? https://vocaroo.com/17uSfvCUH1qN Any idea what piece this is from?3rd Violin Concerto, movement 2?
Tcho-pinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0Hqp27cgrU&list=OLAK5uy_mEaQJrLd2P0CRGMzXaO2DW_KoUPr8oGjk&index=9
Verdi >>>> Puccini
>>130422164Puccini is so good tho
>>130422335>>130422164both shit
>>130422430kys
there's too many recordings of Chopin's Piano Concerti ahhhhHHHHHHHHh
>>130422524And only 3 great ones: Rosenthal, Cortot and Hofmann.
>>130422707Still three too many.
>>130422524Also see Chopin Preludes, Nocturnes, Etudes and Bach's Goldbergs and WTC.Could go your whole life listening to new sets of them.
>>130422745>Also see Chopin Preludes, Nocturnes, Etudes and Bach's Goldbergs and WTC.>Could go your whole life listening to new sets of them.thank god
Stokowski's Mahlerhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=mBU0NuDOZIY
>>130422851Uhm... you missed one...
>>130422851Uhm... you missed two...
>>130422851Uhm... you missed three...
>Puccini—TurandotA couple of great moments, but for the most part not very convincing. Better than Tosca at least.
>>130423101Took me a handful of listens to appreciate Turandot. Unlike Butterfly and Tosca, both of which I liked immediately.
>mfw patrician gf says I have two hours to learn to sing Mahler's Urlicht from his second symphony or we're DONEO_Ohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_a25vYVSJg&list=OLAK5uy_meeyAUBO-787v2v1qqknLY5pIS_xJh4pY&index=4
>The Classic Review:>Top Five – Rachmaninoff – Piano Concerto No. 2 – The Best Recordings>Vladimir Ashkenazy, London Symphony Orchestra, André Previn>Sviatoslav Richter, Warsaw Philharmonic Orchestra, Stanisław Wisłocki>Krystian Zimerman, Boston Symphony Orchestra, Seiji Ozawa>Stephen Hough, Dallas Symphony Orchestra, Andrew Litton>Daniil Trifonov, Philadelphia Orchestra, Yannick Nézet-Séguin>Bonus — Sergei Rachmaninoff, Philadelphia Orchestra, Leopold Stokowskihttps://theclassicreview.com/best-of/top-five-rachmaninoff-piano-concerto-no-2-the-best-recordings/Pretty great list! Thoughts?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfPE3cgYyco&list=OLAK5uy_n88DqqQM8m72wDYJq_97jZcmzfHUox1Wo&index=5
>>130423408>When Rachmaninoff began work on the Piano Concerto No. 2 in C minor, Op. 18 in 1900, he had not written anything of substance for nearly three years. The catastrophic premiere of his First Symphony in 1897 had left him in a deep depressive collapse, convinced he might never compose again. A long course of therapy with the neurologist Nikolai Dahl, built around daily sessions of hypnotic suggestion and quiet encouragement, gradually restored his confidence, and the concerto was dedicated to Dahl in gratitude. It was not the work of a confident young master, but of a composer rebuilding himself, and that personal stake is audible in nearly every bar. Rachmaninoff himself gave the premiere of the complete work in Moscow in 1901, with Alexander Siloti conducting, and the success was immediate. It rescued his career and reshaped what a piano concerto in the grand Romantic manner could sound like for the next half-century.love artist stories like this>The three movements move from the famous bell-tolling C-minor chords of the Moderato, through the long-breathed Adagio sostenuto with its endlessly arching flute-and-clarinet melody, to the Allegro scherzando finale and its C-major peroration. Few concertos depend so completely on the soloist’s command of pacing, and the discography has stratified accordingly. Some readings treat the work as monumental late-Romantic argument, weighted and unhurried. Others strip the rubato back and let the tempo markings stand. The composer’s own 1929 recording with Stokowski sits outside that spectrum entirely, fleet and conversational rather than monumental, and is included here as a sixth historical reference. The question is not which reading is most idiomatic, but which kind of Romanticism a listener wants.well said
listen to Roy Harris Symphony 3 and 43https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOXMym9VMBM4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq-ZqAkZXZ0I wish there were more choral classical that sounds like the 4th here, with more folk influence
>>130422707I thought you used to love the Zimerman/Giulini set. No more? You've gone full hiss?
don't mind me, just posting the best mahler 9https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SxYgbVWco8>In certain respects Carlo Giulini's 1977 Mahler Ninth is a sonically and orchestrally upgraded counterpart to Bruno Walter's valedictory remake from the early '60s. The Italian conductor's lovingly nuanced first movement and genuine feeling for the Ländler's bumptious gait recalls the older conductor, although Giulini's slower pace for the former allows the more sparsely scored portions more time to breathe. The Chicago brass section truly shines in the Rondo- Burlesque, while the strings dominate Giulini's anguished yet dignified Adagio. While Herbert van Karajan's Berlin Ninths stand alone for surface sheen, DG's closer microphone work in Chicago brings out more detail without detracting from the big picture. A moving souvenir of the Giulini/Chicago partnership. --Jed Distleryou see that? it makes both walter's and karajan's 9th obsolete
I tried Mahler 9 once and it was the only time classical music was too "cheesy" for me to handle.
>>130423709You've really never listened to Tchaikovsky?
>>130423634>Everything in this recording is great, the performance, the sound...until the adagio, how I loved the strings as they played the opening in such anguish but this performance was wrecked by this disgraceful post production addition, a sound in the strings right channel only, similiar to vibratto at first I was in wonder, I had never had any problems with my bowers & Wilkins headphones so just in case it was that I changed to seinheizers...the utterly annoying sound was still there so I changed to my sa-cd player and it was still there at first I thought it must be some imperfection in the disk so I ripped the cd in uncompressed audio into my computer but that wretched jittering of the strings was still there...so it was in the recording itself why? Because some stupid idiot in the mixing sessions decided to add a vibratto effect onto the master tape the result is horrific to my ears...I was transcending, in full enjoyment of the adagio's emotion when that came along I'm honest it wrecks the recording for me everything in it is perfect except for that little effect.
>>130423713I have and he is cheesy but I like it. Something about Mahler's hits the wrong spot.
>>130423720>I was transcendingkekpoor guy
>>130423737It is a transcendental piece.
>>130423747I just found his wording funny.
>>130423721btw it's not Mahler in general, I only tried the 9th symphony
Meistersinger morninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZnHpe6a2dg&list=OLAK5uy_kEJTTdpurDp5LSlMwwc09q6CrUsC2bd_8&index=1
>tfw listening to beethoven's 14th string quartet performed by busch quartet and right as I was transcending, there came a cough in the recording and ruined it, leaving me trapped here on this material planesad
Passed by a mailman transcending to Schoenberg this morning.
Why are the Unfinished and Great C Major Schubert's 8th and 9th and not his 7th and 8th? Is his 7th a lost work or something?
>>130423589It's decent yes, if you want great sonics, everything is crystal clear, but I'm fully Rosenthal/Cortot for the piano concerti now. They're perfect.
>>130423709Mahler 9 took me a while to click, but once it did, I couldn't get it out of my mind, I still can't.
Mahler 9 is amazing. Shame about the last act though.
>>130423880Surely you mean shame about the inner movements.
>>130423818kek
>>130423823https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphony_No._7_(Schubert)
>>130423893Inner movements have some of the most beautiful moments in all symphonic repertoire, shame to whoever doesn't understand the 9th is pure perfection.
Blomstedt is dying.
>>130424037Nothing of value will be lost I'm afraid.
>>130424057Fuck you
>>130423893No. I don't.
I liked Scriabin when he was still playing Jazz, before he went insane
>>130422447too busy listening to good music (hint: not by italians)
>>130424448>good music>not by italiansWho's gonna tell him
>Listen to Bob Dylan Do Glen Gould sisters really? Imr
>>130422851>No Hewitt Pseud
Redpill me on Beethoven's piano sonatas, what are the good ones, what are the skips?
>>130425023Best recording? Schnabel of course.Best sonatas? No. 8, 9, 14, 17, 21, 23, 26, 29, 30, 32.Skips? None, they're all good.
>>130425023>Redpill me on Beethoven's piano sonatas, what are the good ones, what are the skips?All the ones with names are good. Ignore the rest.
>>130425023Goodyear, Ohlsson and Pollini
>>130425187>skip 30 - 32are you retarded?
Our man Daniel looking a bit like Christ, if Christ had got a job as a sales assistant in an electronic shop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No_IiWTk8H4&list=RDNo_IiWTk8H4&start_radio=1
>>130421047>Greatest man who has ever lived or will ever liveThat's both La Monte Young and Terry Riley
>>130425023Most of them are good. Even among the early ones.
>>130424037:(I guess we shouldn't be surprised. He's lived a full life. Still sad though.
>>130424827It's the bottom-left, anon...
>When you've just finished playing an epic piece when you spot some horrifying harpy like creature nestling in the rafters
I'm just gonna ask, I don't care if it makes me pleb: is there anyone who actually enjoys the first two acts of Siegfried? If it wasn't part of a cycle, and not for my autism to never, ever skip parts of an intended cycle, I'd barely ever listen to it outside of the marvelous third act. Yet because I want to listen to DR, DW, and Gotterdammerung, I am forced to listen to it over and over, much more than I would like, and I do my best to try and space out until the first two interminable acts are finally over. That's a bit harsh. For brief moments I do enjoy it. But certainly not for 2 and a half hours worth or whatever.
RachAnon, no comment?>>130423408>>130423426
>>130426337it's my favorite part of the Ring along with the last two acts of Götterdämmerung lol. I love Siegfried as a character and his music. I think most people dislike it comparetively because it's rare to find a good singer (every stereo Siegfried singer either sucks, or he is surrounded by singers who suck, or has a conductor who sucks). I first fell in love with it when I played the 1952 Keilberth recording with the wonderful Andelhoff in the title role over good quality speakers in my lowly lit bedroom. Very cozy.
>>130426366>I love Siegfried as a characterI will say, when watching the Ring, yes, I enjoy the first two acts. The music on its own though... I just much, much prefer female vocals, and that's probably the primary source of my ire.>I first fell in love with it when I played the 1952 Keilberth recording with the wonderful Andelhoff in the title role over good quality speakers in my lowly lit bedroom. Very cozy.lovely :3
>>130426381oh I don't have a preference for male or female vocals, so maybe that helps
>>130426407Hopefully one day I can get there.
now playingstart of Schumann: Piano Concerto in A Minor, Op. 54https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQwipDLD5N8&list=OLAK5uy_nb-LkTDQoC9znHslx1bijFIYrhV-jKTok&index=2start of Grieg: Piano Concerto in A Minor, Op. 16https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw0H9FCLt0E&list=OLAK5uy_nb-LkTDQoC9znHslx1bijFIYrhV-jKTok&index=4Mendelssohn: Piano Concerto No. 2 in D Minor, Op. 40: III. Finale. Presto scherzandohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWov_zcrYFs&list=OLAK5uy_nb-LkTDQoC9znHslx1bijFIYrhV-jKTok&index=8https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nb-LkTDQoC9znHslx1bijFIYrhV-jKTok>Murray Perahia’s 1987 Schumann and Grieg concertos with Colin Davis remain the most recommendable digitally recorded pairing of these war-horses, and they bloom even more via Sony’s Expanded Edition remastering. ---- Jed Distler, ClassicsToday
>>130426337Which recording are you listening to?
>>130426337I can't even get into Die Walkure
>>130426586I've felt that way with every recording I've tried. In fact, every time I revisit a cycle, I think, "alright, this is the set that's gonna get me to enjoy Siegfried" but after about 20-30 minutes of the first act, which I do enjoy, it gets tiring, and I pretty much try and space out until the woodbird part starts.When I made that post I was listening to the Boulez recording, but again, it applies to any I've listened to. I'm just not that big a fan of male vocals, and that's all the first two acts are.
I wrote a Baroque piece and am dressed in a pirate coat that I made, feel free to call me trash if you want or make fun of my violin for being covered in rosin.
>>130426685Can you post the pirate coat? You could always black out your face like your in Delta Force
>>130426685https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUL_2uMXVU8woops, can't even post correctly.
I've been listening to a lot of Shostakovich lately. Anyone want to call me cringe?
>>130426685>>130426695Pretty good!>>130426713Now why would I do that? What I will say is don't neglect his solo piano music.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygCFMiZl1ho&list=OLAK5uy_l6WAkMmF6QgHanobW8Q7zsPVCNTCub9iM&index=26life-changing tbqh
>>130426695I quite like it, it's short and saucy
>>130426729>>130426721Thanks :DI want to make a movement of a larger piece like a partita
>>130426615Funny, because what is happening to you is like the pure opposite of what is happening to me. I get Wagner-withdrawals whenever I start listening to other composers or something else like string quartets and masses. If I start doing something mundane like watering my garden or doing a DIY puzzle, my head starts screaming Siegfried's lines (Nothung, ho ho, hai hai), and that anvil is stuck in my mind. I think Operas are not for you. You probably dislike loud sounds, because that Boulez version is i think the softest/easy on the ear rec till date?
Download link for the Fabio Luisi/Dallas SO Ring, ripped from Apple Music. hopefully this file sharing site is allowed here, I picked the first one that would allow me to upload 2GB without making an account (so not Mega)https://limewire.com/d/Rc8wP#77ZnDM9y1Osample,https://files.catbox.moe/owkjg0.m4a
>>130426721I had been neglecting it. Idk why but I've ended up listening to his String Quartets.Part of me kinda wants to make some spacy electronic ambient based on No 15 in eb minor
>>130426815His string quartets are amazing (the second best SQ cycle after Beethoven??? sorry Mozart), particularly the soul-shattering 15th. Glad to hear you're a fan.
>>130426837>sorry Mozartno
>>130426866so you think Shosty's SQs are so much better Mozart doesn't even deserve an apology or shoutout? damn, savage
Brahms' Clarinet Sonatas have the power to change the world,no. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2Q6lZPr33sno. 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0kA6yEXaG4wow
>>130426875no, I think the top 3 SQ composers are unquestionably Beethoven Haydn and Mozart and any suggestion otherwise is simply comical
>>130426924my rebuttal,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_qFEdj2TaE
>>130426891But who has the power to slap the "power to change the world" poster
>my favorite Nocturne is 20 in C# minor How should I think about this person
>>130426837Schubert mogs all 3 of them combined but nice try.
>>130426955A newfag who might someday discover Chopin composed better nocturnes.
>>130426969ridiculous notion, not even worth entertaining with anything but a laugh
>>130422887Great performanceHe certainly takes some pretty big liberties with the score though lol>>130423634Too slow.>>130426337It leans into the recap bullshit a little too much, but I enjoy the music. It is totally unbearable if the Siegfried is shit, which, yeah, if you're listening to the Boulez recording, Jung is pretty bad.>>130426891His Clarinet Quintet, too.
>>130426955I think the only opinion and judgment I'd have relating to that is if someone told me their favorite Nocturne was the first. That would indeed cause me to react with a side-eye glance at them. Otherwise, any of them is fine as a favorite.
>>130421047Gavin Bryars - Double Bass Concerto "Farewell to St. Petersburg".https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc0y-7WhV1U&list=OLAK5uy_kc2_4COvuDMvW9eeNWGdoN-aOpIXQ-VQg&index=2Honestly one of the best double bass concertos.>>130423709>>130423721> Mahler and Tchaikovsky being cheesy I think that while they are similar in that, Tchaikovsky is very personal and Mahler is an opposite ("a symphony must be like the world; it must embrace everything.")
>>130427140The first one is amazing though. Shouldn't you really mean 9 No 2?
Daily reminder that Renaissance is Queen and Baroque is king, Do not fall under the neurotic incel spells of Brahms, Chopin, Schubert, Bruckner, and Mahler. They will fill you with anxiety, depressive episodes, and cause spiritual imbalance.Platomaxx with Palestrina, Josquin, Bach, Debussy and the court musicians of Louis XIV.
>>130427240The first one *is* amazing. The problem is it's so iconic, it's kinda the poser's choice.
>>130427248>tfw can't even argue against the BABIAA anon because I like the romantic era and I'm neurotic and have anxietyfug
>tfw no Britten (non-cello) symphonywhy livehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FOAr145LXU
speaking of Britten, forget Schubert's Winterreise, Schumann's Dichterliebe, Strauss' Vier Letzte Lieder, Mahler's Kindertotenlieder, or Berlioz's Les Nuits d'été -- Britten's Ceremony of Carols is, in fact, the greatest song (lieder) cycle of all-timehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeIl-xNhLwk&list=OLAK5uy_lm4MrfB11jasca2PBruKWqzbbudX77xFw&index=3
Haydnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfyNq0cOV-g&list=OLAK5uy_m_0CfWG-DPIfsIKP_XyI8LmPY-lTHwS4Y&index=1
>>130427275Early Debussy, Bach Brandenburg, Josquin motets, and Palestrina masses now anon!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-pVbpV4yuk&list=RDs-pVbpV4yuk&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXo5zfI8HOI&list=RDvXo5zfI8HOI&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHg70Wnrp74&list=RDEHg70Wnrp74&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HSRIDtwsfM&list=RD3HSRIDtwsfM&start_radio=1
>>130423720Too based for this world
heard a mulatto child humming Webern on the bus todayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLW1w675NHY
>>130427499I enjoy most, and even love some, of Bach, but man, the Brandenburg Concertos have never done anything for me. It's too foreign. Music for a far away land from another time for a different people. I could appreciate them playing in the background of a gala or fancy party, but as far as deriving any kind of personal aesthetic pleasure and emotional reaction from them, there is none.
>>130424037All this shows is what a sham conducting isIf a dementia patient being wheeled out and falling over while waving his arms around is still "conducting" it's probably not all that important
>>130427581Almost baited me.
>>130427592L-lewd
Uhhh Tchaikovsky disrespecters, our reply?https://youtu.be/y3pCP1US8Ig?si=55S_-cF6cqoNC6b0
>>130427140That's how I react to anyone who listens to peeano period
>>130427638I just can't take anyone who dislikes Tchaikovsky seriously. To me, he's quintessential classical for the modern ear. Anyone who dislikes him is either a snob or stodgy and cold. From my perspective, anyway.
reminder: Tchaikovsky has three great string quartetshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w7w6J5ODqc
/classical/ when entering r/chesshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2NKodxRO4A&feature=youtu.be
>Tchaikovsky, though wholeheartedly accepted by naive music lovers and sophisticated composers alike, is still suspected by the West's intellectual lower middle class. Resistance to Tchaikovsky, like most snobbery, arises out of a self-protective need. Putting down what is popular is an easy way to assert an anxious connoisseruship, but those secure in their perceptions can afford to recognize originality and expressive power, even when it is not cloaked in crowd-excluding difficult. This dismissive posture is revealing not of Tchaikovsky but of those who assume it.
>>130427761Many such cases
rhinemaidens: oh dont worry, only someone who renounces sex can break the gold's magic and take it, it's safe4chan anon: *swipes*rhinemaidens: :O
>>130427761That's why I always say low-brow x high-brow alliance, down with the midwits
>*takes a full 15 seconds to start the recording*Is there a lamer gimmick Looking at you DG (dogshit gayfaggots)
If you aren't listening to Hogwood's Requiem you aren't listening to Mozart's Requiem fyi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCfH6MF-Hdk&list=OLAK5uy_nXpf3d8NZdJeFm6cPN0_hjR1mA4atpP4cWow I can almost hear the music through all the ambient niggernoiseFully expecting a BEEP to start any time
>>130426337Maybe it helps to be more invested in the story/libretto? I admit most of those two acts can't really be appreciated as absolute music, I just love how expressive the music is of the drama.
Strauss's Alpine Symphony spergout is unlistenable. Glad he's dead
>>130428452yeah that one I really have to be in the mood for but Ein Heldenleben? oh babyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFmlD85SQdand then of course the DR suite (so sweet)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahoZwPouYU
>>130428452Another one filtered by Strauss.
>>130427564Romantic neuroticism has given you an aversion to the joyous sounds that exudes from Bach's music. You at least enjoy Chabrier, Offenbach, Grieg and Franck no? Those are probably the only Romantic composers that have a serenity and joie de vivre to their music.
>>130428627>Those are probably the only Romantic composers that have a serenity and joie de vivre to their music.No Dvorak?
Sorry Furtwangler, sorry Kleiber, sorry Bohm, sorry Karajan, sorry Solti, sorry Barenboim. This is the best Tristan und Isolde.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxujqo-i4Ow&list=OLAK5uy_nevn2_pvsNVTR3OAVcR_szQLZNEnmFgik&index=1
>>130428709For a long nap maybe
Franckhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS0xKPYkp9U&list=OLAK5uy_kPEya52Kf7pJ9fNh8YbiIzSagLGme0tPI&index=5serenity and joie de vivre indeed!
>>130427964Not even kidding when I say I really like Norrington's requiem.
>>130428732*smack*
>>130427564The Brandenburg Concertos are my favorite Bach pieces and what initially started me on classical music. Try Musica Antiqua Koln's #1 and Pinnock's #5 and see if you still feel the same. They always give me goosebumps
>>130428745Hey, I hope to like them one day. But for my entire life of knowing them, which is like fifteen years by now, I've seen them the same way I see antique Greek vases or African tribal paintings -- pure historical artifacts. Art for a different race of humans from foreign age.
>>130428728*swaps your melatonin sleep medication for a love potion*
Palestrinahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khNLku3EDK8
>>130428758Huh, that's kinda weird. Do you feel the same about about Handel op. 6 or Vivaldi op. 8?
>>130428758>antique Greek vasesBut they're obviously beautiful.
>>130428797>Do you feel the same about about Handel op. 6 or Vivaldi op. 8?Yes.
>>130428804In the same way Chinese calligraphy is, I suppose. True aesthetic appreciation requires a kind of subjective understanding brought about by spiritual connection. I don't feel that with Chinese calligraphy, that vase, Vivaldi's Four Seasons, Corelli's or Handel's Concerti Grosso, or Bach's Brandenburg Concertos. All the power to you guys that do.
>>130428851As a weeb who can fluently read Japanese I have a funny appreciation of Chinese calligraphy where it's a coinflip whether I'll know the characters being written or not. Also, unlike Four Seasons, Handel's Concerti Grosso, and the Brandenburgs, I never managed to appreciate Corelli.
>>130428888>I never managed to appreciate Corelli.A Corelli recording was the first classical album I ever listened to because it was the first link in the OP for these generals like... 16 years ago? It almost turned me off the form entirely!
>>130428888>As a weeb who can fluently read Japanese I have a funny appreciation of Chinese calligraphy where it's a coinflip whether I'll know the characters being written or not.The characters are occasionally similar?
>>130428915They're often identical or just different versions of the same character
Sorry Karajan, sorry Barenboim, sorry Blomstedt, sorry Wand, sorry Chailly, sorry Szell, sorry Rattle, this here is the greatest cycle of Beethoven's symphonies.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEzANqD-x8o&list=OLAK5uy_n-jO5APIL_q9quwfY7tAEEkDnD4KI0MPA&index=18
>>130429015That's not Kletzki
>>130429015Not even the best cycle with the VPO. Also half the cycles in your post fucking suck.
>>130428709gayest shit I ever heard
>>130428758this guy only sees antique greek vases as historical artifactspoint and laugh!
Would you say that EDM is the modern version of classical music?
>>130429303No, Mr. Frog, I would not.
best Greshwin recording coming through, the Rhapsody in Blue in this one is otherworldy.
>>130429460Now that you mention it, I've only heard the wonderful Levine/CSO recording. I'll check that one out next time I'm in the mood for Gershwin.
>Cilea—Adriana LecouvreurBoring.
Schumannhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_Uk0dNNOsQ&list=OLAK5uy_nxaSetpTOaS0hS7UhZWcVf1clXl3XcBgU&index=4The photographer said, "Alfred, give us one of those tortured artist kind of pose" and Brendel took it too far.
>>130429648Instead of wasting your time on composers and works that sound made-up, you should be trying different recordings of Tosca until it clicks.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvgdtEbIaco&list=OLAK5uy_mYF9VQzWJqkzBUcSnaQZ8Gncxy7e0PEsU&index=28
>>130429670Hell no. The next opera I'll listen to will be Andrea Chenier by Giordano.
>>130429684>One reason for its survival in the repertoire is the lyrical-dramatic music provided by Giordano for the tenor lead, which gives a talented singer opportunities to demonstrate his skills and flaunt his voice. Giuseppe Borgatti's triumph in the title role at the first performance immediately propelled him to the front rank of Italian opera singers. He went on to become Italy's greatest Wagnerian tenor, rather than a verismo-opera specialist.interesting
>>130429660He was channeling the spirit of Schumann.
>>130429115I've been wary of listening to Bohm's Beethoven. Is it essential? I've heard from a lot of people that it's not really in his specialty area.
>>130429901Relative to other acclaimed cycles and Bohm's most well-regarded recordings, not really, but it's still pretty good I think.
>>130429895>tfw whenever your best friend Brahms comes over he spends all his time hitting on your wife Clara
>>130428627I want my music to be as depressing and moody as I am tyvm. Joi de vivre and whimsy rings hollow and sarcastic in my life, like a mocking bird at a gallows. Give me someone who's soul has been hollowed out by the worst conflicts of the 20th century.
>>130429915Brahms was more the sit-quietly-in-the-corner-and-watch type.
>>130430126Almost all of the great composers lived through the worst times in human history
>>130430307Maybe. But the mass mobilisation of the Great War brought it home, to all the classes, on an unmatched scale and you see it in the arts in a way you only see, a generation before, in writers and poets who served as war correspondents.
>>130427248Bach is more sure to provoke depression and spiritual imbalance
>>130430126I don't know of any. Penderecki is a kind of a bleak fellow, he was a child in Ukraine in the second world war but I don't know much beyond that. Olivier Eugène Prosper Charles Messiaen was in an internment camp in the second world war and there might have been more
>>130430126That’s less common the further back you go where that kind of music would have been regarded as unconscionably morbid, and probably even Satanic somehow, but there are a lot of modern composers like that, I’m sure you probably know them, but here are a few anyway just in case:Arvo Part, obviouslyHenryk Gorecki (Symphony 3)Ligotti’s RequiemI also personally like Julia Wolfe. Try Anthracite Fieldshttps://youtube.com/watch?v=DxeLU9nyia4&ra=mLess modernly there’s Verklarte Nachte and Isle of the Dead
Gouldilocks and the Three B's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS7ynrlvwD0But you'll have to listen to find out which one is just right
>>130430750To be fair, there's quite a few pieces of renaissance liturgical music I find quite moving and even mournful.
Wow. Just last night I was talking about how Corelli's concerti grosso never did it for me unlike the concerti of Handel, Bach, and Vivaldi. But now I'm listening to him again and this time it just clicked for some reason after several failed attempts a couple years or so back. And I'm checking different performances with significantly different styles, too. All of them are doing it for me. I'm glad to have more concerti grosso to enjoy.
The Gouldberg Variations in Salzburghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NRuwd-4kDI&list=RD4NRuwd-4kDI&start_radio=1
>>130432339How could you have possibly not liked it on the first listen? This is why I don't even talk about why I love /classicak/ music with normal people.
>>130432568I don't even know. It seems obvious to me now but at the time it didn't click. But that's happened with lots of pieces. But yeah, this makes it hard to recommend pieces to people IRL, because you never know if there's just gonna be bad mojo and they fail to hear what you're hearing.
Pretty good
Couperin and his comically oversized guitarhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2mGjvrGbcE&list=RDR2mGjvrGbcE&start_radio=1
enough jazz for me, I'm itching for some classical. which recording of Scriabin's piano concertos would you recommend?
>>130432604Pretty slow
>>130432686You must leave Jazz and Scriabin behind, listen to Weber instead.
>>130432686He only did one right?
>>130432717hence
>>130432686https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UMDrCxN_Kg&list=OLAK5uy_nsESauPHuAGiRUfXy4gnjOi2jiDgP-cY8&index=2
>>130432686You must leave Jazz and Scriabin behind, listen to Webern instead.
It's timehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67dfIrWsVf8&list=OLAK5uy_n0MKl5u6s8IF9avqh9zgB1UHGcpitVOGA&index=72Going from the Boulez cycle directly to this one is a fun juxtaposition, complete opposites in approach.
>>130433394Blue board my guy
>>130433436They're not real
Monthly reminder Beethoven's Archduke Trio has the power to save the world,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWtxoFPAJ1U&list=OLAK5uy_m7L6Ru8QWdynfog4nf7VutoxLKpkm1md8&index=24
>>130433440Lots of girls have boob jobs doesn't mean you can post them
in my country, this man is everythinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnl-3rHFG-Q
>>130433394whos the stage director?ed gein?
>>130433567this is Alberich, the man who runs the world
Can we stop denying the obvious truth in front of us all? Chopin's Nocturnes are the apex of human artistic expression.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hHPYNxYV-0&list=OLAK5uy_k8n5UGlP9d7mebMw5i_KSNYIDA1Zr31tQ&index=1
Schumannhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5aUUJWau3M&list=OLAK5uy_ngfDIQOGiOWvzKDxWpuu7Sf9zk5l0Ea5I&index=8
>>130433669just try posting the music without being a faggot
>>130433619Uncle Fester?
>>130433876Just trying to add some fun and flavor to it, anon. This is 4chan after all.
>>130433876>t. truth-denier
>>130432756>>130433026I like Webern but I was in the mood for Scriabin>>130432792Yes>>130432891Thank you, this was excellent.
>>130434052Glad you like it! Not sure if you ended the recording right after the Piano Concerto finished, but if you did, you might enjoy the closing piece as well as it's a tone poem with piano, so similar to a piano concerto.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHsM988bzuM&list=OLAK5uy_nsESauPHuAGiRUfXy4gnjOi2jiDgP-cY8&index=5
>>130434089I did finish it. Prometheus is one of my favorites, it's such a slow build up and goes out hitting nirvana right at the end. Beautiful. Now I'm listening to picrel.
>>130422468What Italian works do you want me to hear?
>>130433928I'm sorry you can't have fun and flavor without being faggot>>130433946>t. faggot
>>130434052>I like Webern but I was in the mood for ScriabinIt's *WEBER*Get it right.
https://youtu.be/EZSm_7yd3VQGood stuff
vay-burrrr *cold*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRvh4jy7gQIvay-burn *hot*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLuCTtw6Zas
Howard Shore did what Wagner would wish he had done.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlmiRndxkU8
>>130434114Donizetti's Lucia di Lammermoor
Is that one Strauss expert anon around? What's your rankings of his operas? Obviously Der Rosenkavalier is god-tier, and some order of Salome, Elektra, and Die Frau ohne Schatten. I'm more curious where the others stand.
now playingstart of Glière: Symphony No. 3 in B Minor, Op. 42 "Il'ya Murometz"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTABdbCe1RQ&list=OLAK5uy_n5WKpKWWj-CJp1ezPSPnx2OO_5YgTWJFw&index=1https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n5WKpKWWj-CJp1ezPSPnx2OO_5YgTWJFw>This flamingly multicolored, unashamedly grand-scaled symphony receives a performance here so sonically beautiful that it's practically visible. The work is programmatic and tells of the heroic deeds of a medieval knight-strongman, (translated as) "Il 'ya from the town of Murom." Given the orchestration--quadruple woodwinds, four trumpets, eight horns, four trombones, tuba, timpani, percussion, two harps, celeste, and strings--he comes across as a combination of Superman, Batman, Robin Hood, and Wagner's Siegfried. Leon Botstein brings out great warmth in the London Symphony's string section, the flute bird-curlicues in the second movement are luscious, and, in general, his leadership has nice forward propulsion in a work that can easily sound bloated. If this sort of huge, Romantic palette is your cup of tea--and it is sort of irresistible--then look no further. This realization is ravishing, and Telarc's sound is an audiophile's dream. --Robert LevineOne of the handful of non-standard repertoire hour-plus symphonies. Unique and fun, definitely worth checking out!
>recording opens with applausedismissed
some contemporary classicalhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOZ7nmDqbsg&list=OLAK5uy_m0Xc1cHjhRVQcLWEGbLdMOIljnrmapYbA&index=1review,https://www.classicstoday.com/review/alexandra-pajaks-sounds-of-covid-19/>Alexandra Pajak’s Sounds of COVID-19>When this release arrived for review, I looked at the title “Sounds of COVID-19” and wondered just what could this be. Chaotic goings on in emergency rooms captured in sound samples? Andrew Cuomo’s daily speeches spliced and diced? Or musicians isolated at home playing together through the miracle of Zoom? The answer is none of the above. Sounds of COVID-19 is a 44 minute suite by Alexandra Pajak involving string quartet, clarinet and piano. All of the musical material derives from the virus’ genetic code. For example, scientists abbreviate DNA’s four types of nucleotides (adenine, cytosine, thymine, and guanine ) as A, C, T and G. Pajak assigns the pitches A,C and G to their corresponding nucleotides, while arbitrarily selecting D to represent thymine. Pajak then translates the DNA sequence for each of the virus’ twelve proteins into corresponding sequences of pitches.why does so much art created in the postmodern era use some kind of a contextual gimmick? anyway, could be cool. there's often posts from anons looking for contemporary pieces (there was one the other day specifically looking for stuff composed after the start of COVID!), so whenever I come across something I feel obligated to share.
>>130435015>why does so much art created in the postmodern era use some kind of a contextual gimmick?Most modern composers are not talented enough to create music that stands on its own and they instinctively know it.
>>130435015"Serious" art is too self-aware now. People who draw fanart of their favorite anime characters are more naive and untainted than people in the art establishment now.
>Bohm was not exempt from criticism either-although a noted interpreter of this work, it was felt that this reading was rather “po-faced “and lacking in character compared to Kempe especially.lol what does that mean. is "po-faced" a corruption of "polished"? I don't get ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_kuUYxMpZY&list=OLAK5uy_n341o84IhxWdPDyIKNeZJi7VpkTy-O-Ws&index=1
>>130423408my favorite is Ashkenazy/Kondrashin
>>130435177Huh, didn't know that existed! I thought it was only Ashkenazy/Previn and Ashkenazy/Haitink (the set I started with). Cool, added to the backlog.
>>130435139British expression. Means too stiff and serious, maybe a bit pious/priggish.
>>130435187also Ashkenazy/Ormandy is my favorite 3rd, check it out if you haven't.
confession: when I first started seriously getting into classical, the YouTube channel whose library I stayed within contained mostly hiss recordings from the 50s-70s. For a while, I genuinely thought all the recordings were like that because there were literally no new recordings of the works since.
>>130435214ah thank you
>>130435052Your forgetting that everything has already been done to death in the classical world
Young la flame >>130433669The preludes ya
favorite recordings of Beethoven's Piano Concertos 4 & 5?my favorites so far are Gilels/Ludwig & Schnabel/Stock
>>130435830https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8ZoO0mVl04https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcQlNAWuXrM
Mozart brothers what are some of his most underrated pieces? I feel like I have become familiar with nearly everything he has made, and Schubert and Haydn are the only things that sort of scratch that itch.
>>130436098https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw0UHkK2iYM&list=OLAK5uy_mDLXpJF9NuDe6h_d5XpVpMYibOfF1Y9J8
I've got another confession to makeChopin Prelude < Scriabin Preludes (op11)
>>130436098Is K. 618 well-known? I've loved it all for a long time because it just happened to fill out the end of a record I got into over a decade ago. I've never heard of it being recorded or performed as a main event
>>130435830>4 Hofmann/Ormandy, Hansen/Furtwangler, Curzon/Boulez, Fischer/Philharmonia>5Gieseking/Rother, Fischer/Furtwangler, Katz/Barbirolli, Casadesus/Mitropoulos, Hofmann/Lange (if you can tolerate the drunken wrong notes)>>130436098K. 563 is a top 10 Mozart piece but for some reason I never see anyone talk about it here.
>>130436559Oh, right, I forgot Hess/Kurtz, another all time great Emperor.
I am listening to a mature rendering, led by Karajan, of Eine Kleine Nachtmuzik, and my pleasure is augmented by my knowledge of the fact that no poster here has power either to stop me from my listening, or to effectuate the diminution of my enjoyment of the music itself. Your collective impotence in this matter crowns the zenith of my joy.
>>130430126Bruh you need some head from a Greek or a latina or something, whimsy makes the bitches wet
>mfw the musical Court of King Louis XIVhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh8XnnmpOFE&list=RDlh8XnnmpOFE&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1HGRmExbDs&list=RDn1HGRmExbDs&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OAZukcPeCI&list=RD2OAZukcPeCI&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmyxYFhyfFQ&list=RDcmyxYFhyfFQ&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMoRPxLdSQ0&list=RDIMoRPxLdSQ0&start_radio=1Drink up lads, were eating good tonight in the Sun Kings court, vive le France!
Poulenc
>>130437402
Rachmaninoff GOAT
thoughts?https://youtu.be/Uz6ZSpzTEc0?si=KL89Fc5cNxbT8HG8
>>130435830Uchida/Sanderling, Brendel/Levine, Perahia/Haitinkthere's so many great ones though
>mfw I learned I can listen to the 24th Prelude and Fugue of Bach's WTC without having to listen to the rest of the set first:Ohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1gIF4P8h-w&list=OLAK5uy_lJ-Ly7AxpRC2tHhG_cSAi-7uXbpdVrjFw&index=47https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK6Jho8kCvg&list=OLAK5uy_lJ-Ly7AxpRC2tHhG_cSAi-7uXbpdVrjFw&index=48
>>130438919it's like the London sewer system: impressive as it is disgusting.please don't post here again.
>>130439981The London Sewer System is cleaner than the surface, there's less feces and rats down there
>>130439983and Indians.
>>130424429Scriabin never went insane.
>>130440060He never went insane... he just realized that society had been insane all along!
>>130436326Based.
>>130436098Piano Sonata No. 15 (K. 533) is one of the greatest piano sonatas ever, but nobody wants to admit that.
now playingstart of Barber: Concerto for Violin & Orchestra, Op. 14https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hubHqr2lKjE&list=OLAK5uy_l5bMb8nRWaBTOn6BSH8862s3jk9smYBMM&index=2start of Korngold: Violin Concerto In D Major, Op. 35https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh4Xg6iySbc&list=OLAK5uy_l5bMb8nRWaBTOn6BSH8862s3jk9smYBMM&index=5start of Korngold: Much ado about nothing - Incidental Musichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHu6XGODIWc&list=OLAK5uy_l5bMb8nRWaBTOn6BSH8862s3jk9smYBMM&index=7https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l5bMb8nRWaBTOn6BSH8862s3jk9smYBMM>There have been so many great recordings of all of the important masterpieces that critics and listeners are often justified in thinking that there's no point in recording them yet again. Then along comes a recording like this one, which revives one's faith in the future of classical music. Gil Shaham is competing with classic performances by Isaac Stern in the Barber, and Jascha Heifetz in the Korngold. And he's as good as either of them, not to mention far more impressively recorded. In particular, the Korngold Concerto--a masterpiece just now coming into its own--has never sounded so resplendent. What a great disc! --David Hurwitz
It must be an amazing feeling to contribute to a recording as a musician. For the rest of time, you can put on the release, and say "hey, that's me making the sound"
>>130440136Unless it's a bad sound.
>>130440136I imagine most don't give a fuck. They enjoy playing the music for the live audience.
>recording doesn't have a cool coverdismissed
>>130440141>If you listen carefully to the new Nelsons Mahler 5 with the Vienna Philharmonic, right at 54:33, you can hear a solitary violin play an out-of-tune note during the Adagietto. That's me! It wasn't my fault! This girl violinist who'd I'd been flirting with the entire rehearsal process brushed up on my leg with her bare toes and it messed me up. And now it'll live on for the rest of time.
Mozart SymphoniesFirst movement: 40 > 41All other movements: 41 > 40
Late Brahms > Chopin
bury me to the divine sounds of Durufle's Requiemhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9j6G9EQr0k
>>130440510And other hilarious jokes you can tell yourself
>>130440510In fairness, late Brahms is better than almost any other composer so it's not saying too much.
Late Wagner > Brahms
late Strauss = early Schoenberg
>>130440584In fairness, late Wagner is better than any composer except Chopin so it's not saying too much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWKGuTq_uNEIs this the best Queen of the Night on disc?
>>130440740Pretty amazing.
they should add a hiss filter to Spotify and YouTube Music, so I can make any recording sound like it has the subtitle "Live at Salzburg 1954"
>>130440740yes.
>>130440671you obviously haven't heard late strauss. it's more neo-classical in style.https://youtu.be/kA9hMF76xck?si=KSFMMzY-MAvO2-Mp
>>130436098duos for violin & viola, k.424 especiallyhttps://youtu.be/JaJ08y58PR0?si=WnWu1aS7JAWqC_JZcheck out his lieder, there's a few pretty oneshttps://youtu.be/L5jVYHQy_L4?si=UYDsW55ynaSmBaLahis church sonatas are almost completely unknown, and there's a bunchhttps://youtu.be/YvASbhwa50I?si=hCpYJT1FRIlgPv76listen to every thing written for wind ensemblehttps://youtu.be/k6dhxCDbInI?si=RUzZmICxVRuXuQUI
Apparently Beethoven sonatas op. 49 (no.19 and no.20) are amateur pieces composed for students and/or compositional exercising and published against the composer's wishes by his brother.No wonder I never heard of them being discussed anywhere and thus I might not even have listened to them at all. Although now I might learn to play 49/2, since it's technically easy and I want to play some of the harder sonatas later on.
>>130434862>essentialsalome, elektra, rosenkavalier, ariadne, frosch, capriccio>very goodintermezzo, daphne>good (mostly just a few good arias)helena, arabella, danae>don't botherthe two early ones, friedenstagnb. schweigsame frau appears to be quote popular with strauss fans, but for me it hasn't clicked (yet).
>>130441312the truth is, they kind of suck.
>>130441355They do and I don't really like all Beethoven sonatas at all, however I'm down to learn them, they're not horrible pieces and would be fun to play still.
>>130441325Much appreciated!
>>130441312>Part of the original idea for the project was to explore the sonata cycle in chronological order. I wanted to follow Beethoven on his path and treat every sonata as I believe Beethoven would have treated it: as the pinnacle of what he was able to achieve at that point in his creative life. But I must admit a mistake of ignorance; when I was planning the cycle, I did not know that the two sonatas Op. 49 were not, in fact, written at the time their numbers (19 and 20) would suggest – that is, between Sonata No. 18 (1802) and Sonata No. 21 (1804). Instead, they are much earlier works. Based on sketches in one of Beethoven’s notebooks, Sonata No. 20, Op. 49, No. 2 was probably composed immediately before Sonata No. 4, Op. 7, while Sonata No. 19, Op 49, No. 1 is likely to date from 1797 or early 1798, around the time of composition of the Sonatas, Op. 10, and before the Pathétique.The manuscripts then lay unpublished for years until in 1802, Beethoven’s brother Kaspar Karl, serving as part-time secretary to Beethoven, included them in an offer to a publisher. They are mentioned almost as an afterthought: ‘two little easy sonatas of two movements each’, following a list of more major works available for publication: a symphony (No. 2), a ‘grand piano concerto’ (No. 3) and two ‘adagios for violin with complete instrumental accompaniment’ (the violin Romances Nos. 1 and 2). Considering the very long delay since their composition, it is probable that Beethoven never intended these ‘two little easy sonatas’ to be published at all. To quote Ferdinand Ries, Beethoven’s friend and pupil, ‘all trivial pieces and many things which he never wanted to publish, because he did not regard them as worthy of his name, secretly came into the world through his brothers… even small compositions which he had written down in notebooks were thus stolen and engraved.’
>>130441312>>130441581>Whatever the case, both sonatas are certainly not unworthy of Beethoven’s name, the first in G minor perhaps being the stronger work of the pair. The narrative of its first movement (0:06) is sincere and heartfelt, filled with an artless, touching beauty. The puckish second movement (4:30 – in G major!) is a delightful companion, wonderfully catchy and very fun to play. It reminds me quite a bit of the finale of the G major Sonata, Op. 14, No. 2 – the same irreverent ease, the same drive and mischievous humour, and the same unexpectedly calm ending over a bass drone.>The first movement of Op. 49, No. 2 (0:04) is the only one where a certain uneventfulness could perhaps be reproached, but Beethoven imbues even such a respectable, dependable Allegro with elegance and a refined sparkle. The second movement (4:35) is a minuet, thoroughly lovely and charming. Its inherent appeal was recognised by Beethoven, and he re-used the theme in the third movement of his hugely popular Septet, Op. 20, perhaps another oblique indication that the early Sonata was not meant to be published.https://beethoven32.com
How's Yujas body of work?
>>130441688Revealing and titillating.
>>130434961>Complete & Uncut>Leon Botsteinhehe
>>130441688i'm going with kathia
is it sho-pan or sho-pin?
>>130442381It's Chopin as in chopping your balls off lmfaoo
>>130442381pan, but the n be silent
>>130442447bay-toe-vah
>>130442458bait ho (as in ho) van
siegfried: fear? never heard of himsleeping brunnhilde (woman):siegfried: oh god i can't see or breathe heeeeelp
>>130442482relatable
>>130442482Many such cases!
>>130442482meow
Monthly reminder that Sibelius does in fact have solo piano musichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnyXyrJ9l8g&list=OLAK5uy_m6DpBoVIy865OVN1NCjbyTZNy32m3pvvo&index=6
>>130442508Part of me wants to print out this picture and put it on my wall. But the rest of me knows it's a bad idea because I'd spend all day staring at it with an ":3" face
>>130440493For me it's just the finale of the 40th that doesn't live up to the other 3 movements.
>>130437112What if you're gay with a thing for sad twinks
giueseppe birdivsgiacomo zucchini
Mahler 1 morninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNNRkiQhZAI&list=OLAK5uy_kM6EON2HCCmu2i7VASq5if7j8ftNB-89Q&index=1>The Czech Philharmonic and Music Director, Semyon Bichkov, continue their acclaimed Mahler cycle with the composer’s First Symphony, one of the most evocative and colourful symphonic debuts in the history of the genre. Mahler once famously said that “a symphony should be like the world, it should encompass everything.” In his First Symphony, he creates just such a world, filled with animal sounds, hunting horns, rural dances, klezmer bands and allusions to his own songs and folk song melodies such as Frère Jacques. These elements all function within a highly subjective, immersive symphonic drama, providing a blueprint for most of his symphonies to come. Semyon Bichkov and the Czech Philharmonic approach the composer’s firstling with their esteemed eye for detail and pacing, matched by their unmistakably Bohemian sound.Semyon 'Lohengrin' Bichkov
It is high time that we admit to ourselves that this civilization, and everything good in it, has derived from the Catholic Church, including the music, hospitals, schools. It is like when you’re playing Sid Meier’s Civilization VI and, when founding a religion, you realize that all the traits/benefits available (and a lot that are not), irl belong to the Church.
>>130443374Only Mendelssohn, Chopin and Tchaikovsky's first symphony are good.
Time to add some woman composers to your life, anon, starting with Elsa Barrainehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE9wZT21474&list=OLAK5uy_kPT8LjHw0-BN506uZ0ryJbdNxJwK-P2xM&index=1>Elsa Barraine, a notable and politically intrepid figure in her lifetime (1910-1999), is a composer whose distinctive voice is being heard again. Under it's music director Cristian Macelaru, the Orchestre national de France performs four works by Barraine: the Symphony No 1, completed in Italy in 1931; the compact, but powerful Symphony No 2, composed in 1938 and ominously subtitled 'Voïna', the French transliteration of the Russian word for 'war'; Song-Koï (Le Fleuve rouge) - an eight-movement evocation of the Red River which flows through Vietnam, composed in 1945, the year Vietnam declared it's independence from France, and, dating from 1959, Les Tziganes, which, as it's name implies, takes inspiration from gypsy culture. Rooted in tonality, Barraine's music is confidently and soberly crafted, it's orchestral palette both clearly defined and subtly shaded as it reflects it's times and the composer's philosophical and spiritual concerns.Man, 20th century composers really love this modulating, wall-of-sound aesthetic. I don't mind because I enjoy it, but I gotta say, once you finish listening to the work, you're always left without remembering a thing.
>>130443406in ALL of classical!?!?
>>130443440Yes. Most first symphonies are boring or garbage.
>>130443233Really? For me the inner movements are far below the two outer. It's just that the 4th movement of 41 is so phenomenal that hardly anything can compare to it.
>>130443406>Chopin symphonyu wot
>>130443451See, that's what I thought you meant at first, but Chopin doesn't have any symphonies, much less a first symphony...!?!?
>>130443476Shieet I meant the first Piano Concerto.
>>130443487Well I love Mahler 1. And really, really like Brahms 1. And Dvorak 1 is fun to play in the background, only paying half-attention to. Oh, Schumann 1 is quite nice too. Prokofiev 1 is a short, delightful, jaunty piece which works well to open anything.
>>130443513Impressionist and late Romantic are not enjoyable. I don't know why anyone here likes it.
>>130443405>posts a picture of a Protestant
I honestly don't get how people don't enjoy Mahler 1. It was love-at-first-listen for me. It's so inspiring and tuneful. And like all Mahler, totally unique. I've heard some people here say they consider it cheesy and kitsch? Baffling.
>>130443552It's just kind of diffuse compared to his later works.
So far I’ll say skip Scriabin’s first Sonata
>>130443564True about the long and winding finale fourth movement, which admittedly I no longer care much more these days. But the first three movements? Perfection.
Chopin concertos are so peak. They are like the most loveliest smelling garden at a royal palace. The ultimate pleb filter, beloved by great pianists, composers and alike, as well as the general audience, yet totally alien to the some of the "West's intellectual lower middle class". Concerto for those who enjoy piano as an instrument, rather than means to achieve an end:>"The orchestration of the concertos is not incompetent... It is, rather, thin—deliberately so, to let the intricate textures of the piano writing shine through without being muffled by heavy brass or thick string section tuttis."- RosenA rare Celibidache performance with the great Koczalski:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fAcrqosOEg
