Why did Grunge appeal to so many people in the 90s when it was literally one of the decade to live in?
>>130421154I live in decade
>>130421154It was the style of the time.
>>130421154Yes.
>>130421154they wanted to rebel against all the optimistic reagan/gulf war era flag waving bs, and all that crappy rave music from england
>>130421154Because it really wasn't.Economy was fucked due to jews and 80's excess. Space was dead after Challenger so was just boring nerd shit.Cold war ended so all the cool military shit did too.No jobs, most of the world dropped free uni.It was a pretty suck time to be alive if you were actually there. Zoomies and Late State Millenials aping the style never lived through it, at best they were children who lived in a childhood bubble.
>>130421288grunge was really just describing a way of life. Cobain's generation grew up in the dirty, broken down, crime-riddled 70s-80s. the 90s were a lot cleaner, safer, and more prosperous time which was probably why Millenials never developed any backbone.
>>130421313Cobain had a pretty shitty upbringing in general, on top of general 70s grime he came from a shitty logging town in the PNW. Big part of why he was so fucked up. He carried resentment for the "hicks" in the town his whole life.
>>130421154>Why did Grunge appeal to so many people in the 90s It didn't. It was a largely North American phenomenon to begin with and even here it was still hard-mogged on the charts by Garth Brooks, new jack swing, and the R&B divas. The mythology of grunge as the official sound of the '90s only started after Kurt's death, at which point grunge was already being replaced by even worse post-grunge slop like Live and Collective Soul.
>>130421154The 90s is one of the decades of all time
>>130421154It sound good
The early 90s were pretty terrible. The economy was in a recession, crime was at its highest point in US history and the gulf war was happening. It was easy to gravitate towards something like muh depression and helpness at that point.The mid to late 90s were more prosperous and the music got more poppier and light hearted like with Third Eye Blind, Hanson and boy bands.
>>130421154I am sorry to tell you this OP, but unless we see a second post-WW2, the last 10 years are gonna be seen as "one of the decade to live in" as well.People are probably gonna wonder why so many of your peers gravitated toward little bitch persecution complex music like XXXcrement and Suicide Boys.
>>130421699>crime was at its highest point in US historythat was 1973-83. there was a spike in crime in the early 90s due to the crack wars, but that was mainly an inner city thing and didn't affect people in the suburbs. crime overall had dropped over the 80s.
>>130421288In the 90s you could learn html and become a millionaire. Median home price in 1993 was 125k. Individual median income was 15k. Household was 30k. Ground beef was $1.56/lb. Gold was $360/oz 2026 median individual is 35k and household is 86k. Median home price is 515k. Ground beef is $6.90/lb. Gold is $4,565/oz. A house in 1993 cost 4.17 years of household median income.A house in 2026 costs 5.98 years of household median income.In 1993, a year of household median income buys 41.67oz of goldIn 2026, a year of household median income buys 18.8oz of goldIn 1993 a pound of beef was .0045% of a year of median incomeIn 2026 a pound of beef is .008% of a year of median incomeIn 1993 the US population was 80% whiteIn 2026 the US population is 61% whiteWe have it worse.
I was a child in the 90s. Nothing about it seemed glorious to me. Honestly, everything felt spooky or ominous. I don’t know how the fuck it was ever real.
>>130422042The only thing for me was columbine made me think everybody gets shot when they go to high school. Otherwise it was just crazy bones, pokemon cards, pokemon and gameboy, those chip clips that played music, my cd player, 90s country on my moms radio, and friends was on for my mom at night. I had a bunch of tapes on vcr and watched a lot of power rangers. I had a sega genesis with sonic and sonic cd and jurrassic park on sonic cd. My dad bought like 400 laser discs when a store went out of business so we had tons of those too. Star wars came back and I had a bunch of those toys and then the first prequel came out and I got n64 with zelda and rogue squadron. Everything was good for a kid in the 90s. My grandparents had a farm where my uncle would take me on a quad and my aunt would take me horse riding
>>130421976And people 10 years from now will also have it even worse
>>130421281>optimisticit wasn't really optimistic. it was coke fueled hyper-activity over the top of pure ruthlessness. sociopathic greatest generation meets hyper-ambitious baby-boomers. the 80s were pretty brutal underneath the party veneer.
>>130422089>kidthere is a big difference in experience for a kid vs teenager vs adult. each is going to have experienced that decade differently. i was a teenager when the 90s started, we are not the same.
>>130421590Aberdeen is actually a nice place. Courtney Love similarly hated Olympia despite Olympia being nice too. Both of those places are objectively better than any place in middle America or the rotted out parts of the New England that The Pixies came from.
>noooooo I suffer in the Pacific Northwest Lmao, even
>>130424139the 80s still had a lot of lingering crime and poverty left over from the 70s
>>130421167fpbpI too literally live in decade
>>130421661yes, literally one of the decades of all time.
>>130424139>>130424254
>>130421313>probably why Millenials never developed any backbone> t. seething grandpa
I wish we could go back to flip phones &/or pagers.I can read from the fuckin' Rand McNally book if I need directions somewhere.and is anyone actually gonna argue that 90s mainstream music wasn't better than the 2010s or current decade? not that there isn't great music happening now but the Spotify mainstream is a joke.the only thing that's better now is that all music is freely available and accessible for free pretty much anywhere. So when you pay for it, you know what you're getting.
>>130421154outsiders are outsiders.trump and the oligarchs ruining america just lets the rest of you finally know a bit of what it tastes like.
>>130429735>outsiders are outsiders>trump and the oligarchs ruining america just lets the rest of you finally know a bit of what it tastes like
>>130429758nice meme collection. you new here?
>>130421281More like the Reagan era milieu was seen as cheesy and saccharine, promoting a soulless, shallow and conformist view of reality in a glossy and overly slick (and fake) sheen. So music was needed about the reality of life as the musicians saw it and the way they and actual people felt.I think that's part of what zoomies miss out about the Gen X disaffection with the '90s too. For a lot of people it was boring. We'd seemingly reached the end of history and what was there to do but slave away at mind numbing, soul destroying white collar jobs so you could go back to a spiritually dead existence where you might not have wanted for anything but neither was there anything to strive for. Again, that's how they felt at the time.
I accidentally the whole decade
>>130421154because its anti-corporate maaan....>while being corporate afGruge sold on style, which is basically just a spin off of Punk in practice, same belief system and everything... Just more distorted guitar power chord spam and the lyrics were nonsensical nihilistic garbage.
>>130430071The amount of impotent seethe that Carlin creates among all you little chuds needs to be studied. He's based af for that tho fr
>>130430092he was just a grumpy old man
>>130421154>Why did Grunge appeal to so many peoplelowest common denominator music. literally music made by retards for retards. the only people this music was popular with was teenage white boys. nobody over 18 listened to this shit
>>130430092George Carlin was an asshole. That was his entire gimmick, being a miserable asshole. I don't think there's anything deeper to get out of it. I don't think he was particularly philosophical even though redditos treat him that way for some reason
Gen X oldfag here. I graduated high school in 1986, so the 90s was the first decade I spent as adult for the entirety of it. Honestly it kinda sucked. I was working a shitty minimum wage job in a super sketchy area of Little Rock, Arkansas. I think it was a great time to be an upper middle class university student in a trendy college town in the PNW, New England or the southeast. A lot of the media, music and art of the time catered to those people. I think it was an awesome time to be a child. My nephew is a millennial born in 84 and he seems look at the 90s without a lot of nostalgia and innocence, similar to how someone my ages remembers the 82-85 or so as being like an innocent golden age, when nothing really mattered.
>>130421154>Why did Grunge appeal to so many people in the 90s when it was literally one of the decade to live in?Because tit was dead by 1994 and that's when the turnaround of the economy started to happenRight around the time slick willy was elected.
>>130430100> literally music made by retards for retards. the only people this music was popular with was teenage white boys. nobody over 18 listened to this shitWhat were all the genius enlightened non-white adults listening to in the 90s then? Let me go ahead and guess you're gonna say rap
>>13043012390s R&B of course!
>>130430135Nice save, but seriously you have such strong opinions on grunge music and what white teenagers back then listened to so tell us what was the "good" music of the early 90s?
>>130430123>What were all the genius enlightened non-white adults listening to in the 90s then?jesus jones, the cult, the fixx, new order. honestly if you want to know just look up the charts from back then. i mentioned in another thread that country music outsold rock all through the 90s. so a huge percentage of people were listening to country music. black folks can enjoy music made by non-black singers.also, do you really think anybody over 18 was listening to nirvana at their peak? i remember when MTV news went to a college campus in new york to ask some students their reaction to in utero. the majority seemed like they had never even heard of nirvana beforehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiwhwy7S4qA&t=11s
>>130430375>black folks can enjoy music made by non-black singersNo one said they couldn't. It was you >>130430100 who claimed no non-white adults were listening to Nirvana or any grunge band. I disagree as I'm pretty sure some non-white adults somewhere were listening to Alice In Chains and Soundgarden (who had non-white members)
>>130430400>claimed no non-white adults were listening to Nirvana or any grunge bandright because they didnt. look at the crowd shots for those bands back then. now how many black folks do you see?
>>130430470I'm not a race obsessed weirdo redditor who calls black people "folx" out of some white guilt complex so I don't look at every photograph of a grunge band's audience to find non-whites the way you do. That said I was alive at the time and believe it or not their were non-white people who listened to bands like Smashing Pumpkins and Pearl Jam and even metal if you can wrap your tiktok-rotted mind around that
>>130424367>>noooooo I suffer in the Pacific Northwest >Lmao, evenI mean it was kinda comfy but nearly all my friends became drug addicts. Then again Renton does that to a nigga.
>>130430494>I don't look at every photograph of a grunge band's audience to find non-whites the way you doits easy to do because there are none. everybody can count to zero
>>130430647NTA but why does the race of the audience members matter to you so much? Do you really believe POCs cant enjoy rock music?
>>130430647I like how you didn't even deny being a self-hating white cuck. You should really please Jamal and kys that would make you one of the good ones in black peoples eyes im sure
>>130430647https://youtu.be/yViEZrNGY0Q?si=P7m5Hv6spopcxZqSI spotted some non-white peeps in the audience so you're thesis has been proven wrong. Feel free to admit you're a retarded faggot who doesn't know what he's talking about
>>130430666>>130430677>>130430691think y'all are losing the point of my original comment. that being grunge only appealed to skinny white teenage nerds. this isnt about race. and a handful of non-whites at a huge festival doesnt mean they, black folks, like grunge
>>130430740>they, black folksLmao imagine being such a self-hating emotionally stunlocked faggot that you try and virtue signal how much you love blacks on a dead 4chan music board
>>130430740You admit then that you are a white cuckold who hates himself and worships random black people as gods? Why would anyone take your opinion on anything seriously?
>>130430754>>130430763>zero black grunge bands>zero black grunge singers>zero blacks in the audience for these bands back in the daylooks like pointing out the obvious that nirvana & grunge had no black fans is triggering to a lot of people
>>130430866Are you a self-hating white man with a fetish for black people yes or no? Answer the question
>>130429707>Reddit spacing
>>130430112>I think it was a great time to be an upper middle class university student in a trendy college town in the PNW, New England or the southeast. A lot of the media, music and art of the time catered to those people.try and find a decade when that wasn't the case. yuppies have money and represent an aspirational lifestyle so they'll always be a prime target for media.
>>130430894yes. and a big fan of nirvana. why are you making this about something it isnt?
>>130421976thanks, ChatGPT
>>130430971Why do you hate yourself for being white and worship blacks as superior to you? You really believe race is all that matters in life?
>>130430971You should check out the artist Jpegmafia you would love him
>>130421288this could also be applied to the 50s although most of the adults from that time are dead so we can't ask them what being a working adult was like and we just have boomers who look at the decade from the POV of a 6 year old who didn't have to worry about the job market, cost of living, etc.
>>130430986>Why do you hate yourself for being white and worship blacks as superior to you?Because they are superior and I like all subhuman white boys don't deserve to breathe the same air as them>You should check out the artist Jpegmafia you would love himI will thanks!
>>130431112Wow thanks for the ego boost I am very glad im not you
>>130421661True, I'd even put the 90s ahead of the 80s, but even though it was quite the decade, I'd still say it was behind the 2000s.
>>130421154Look at the late 80s music scenes.The downcast mood did not start with Nirvana at all, it was already there, even in mainstream music.Depeche Mode was already highly successful with their electro-pop with neurotic moody atmospheres.And then REM broke into the charts from the college rock scene with their woe-is-me Losing my religion tune. Obviously that college rock scene wanted to hear something else than just constant glorification of corporate lifestyles in rock, with cocaine, whores and playing on skyscrapers with spandex pants on.There was this undercurrent of moody music that was the vibe of that late 80s generation and grunge just happened to capture it well, because Cobain was a master melodist that could both appeal to normies through hummable tunes and to rebel teens with the noisy raw sound and the fuck authority let's smash guitars attitude.So there was acknowldegment that there wass more to life than just pretending to worship corporate lifestyles, there was that "other" side to life that nobody wanted to talk about.That's what grunge did, it brought that to surface, much to the eternal seethe of cockrock fags who would rather see the 'positive' trannified rock go on forever than admit any tragic streak in their lives.
>>130430071Carlin was far less nihilistic than the larping radpol no-action all-talk bums who spam this stupid image.
>>130421154MTV started playing grunge. Quit making it more complicated than that.Hair metal got popular in mid 80s for same reason.Most of the brass at MTV were obviously coastal lib whites and they couldn't have been happy that a lot of metal stars like Axl Rose and Sebastian Bach were starting in late 80s to use their national stage to spread non-lib viewpoints (see 'One in a Million' and SB's AIDS t-shirt).So they found a ready-made scene in Seattle of (lib) whites playing loud guitars and they switched out hair metal for grunge and it stuck. Added bonus, it was a whole lot easier for normie white teens to dress like their favorite grunge dude than poofy haired hair metal dudes.
>>130432071Bach was always a liberal. He was one of the first people to publicly speak on how racist Ted Nugent is.Idk when Axl's liberal views started but he has had severe TDS since 2016 so I have massive doubts he was ever anywhere near racism.Marketing fags don't give a fuck about persecuting white losers with bad politics they pick what they sell based on what they think WILL sell.
>>130431914The mid-80s (1984-86) had bright, optimistic sounds but you notice a slightly darker vibe returning in 87.
>>130432071>>130432112Bach said a fan just randomly handed him the shirt and he thought it was a funny pun (it was) and just held it up and got a picture of it. He has always been a gen x normie liberal
>>130432140Yeah87 https://youtu.be/u1ZoHfJZACA90 https://youtu.be/7smG_3QdYtw84 https://youtu.be/hnpILIIo9ek83 https://youtu.be/NNJeKXr1I2w86 https://youtu.be/UNZbP3ZVem4
>>130432071Wrong. Nirvana broke out on radio first, not MTV. They actually were planning on releasing Come as you are as a first single, because they thought it had crossover pop appeal. But to their surprise it was Teen Spirit that just exploded on radio.So they decided to make the video then the rest is history. They did not blow up thanks to MTV, that was just an amplifier.And record labels were shocked to see that this kind of underground rock could have mass appeal. Until then they relegated bands like Sonic Youth to their 2nd tier 'experimental' labels, where at most they could be hoping to sell 100k album copies.Nirvana just blew that script away and proved you could have mainstream appeal no matter what label execs decided you were meant for a niche audience.
>>130432292Nirvana was popular with all the weak little white boys who were depressed their tiny pink cocks could never please a woman, those are the only "people" who were fans of Nirvana back then
>>130432152bro, that lame excuse (he apparently was seen wearing the shirt on multiple occasions, so did he forget to look to see what it said each time? kek) just shows how out of line his views were from those of the actual (lib-dominated) music industry gatekeepers were.he realized he stepped in it and did a quick (and embarrassing) backtrack as fast as possible.
>>130432292no they didn't retard. all acts broke on MTV first in 80's and 90's.if not, please name one, just one act, that broke big time without a video.
>>130432450>he apparently was seen wearing the shirt on multiple occasions, so did he forget to look to see what it said each time?And surely this is substantiated by more than one picture of him wearing it.
>>130432476NirvanaThey broke on the radio first, just read some books
>>130432476Actual retard.
>>130432391Well that population now numbers a whole lot than it did back then, so I guess the band was so ahead of its time
>>130432527Wdym cracKKKer timmies are going extinct that's why we don't have to be subjected to their terrible rock "music" anymore
>>13043214084 and 86 were the years that had the brightest and most good-time fun vibes of the decade.
>>130432560in the 60s every year from 61-67 sounded optimistic, only the first year (1960) and the tail end (68-69) sounded dark
>>130432527>>130432537yes saars we BBC ceos make timmy jealous with our buggattis
>>130421154>>130421281>Why did Grunge appeal to so many people in the 90sZoomer, no one outside coastal Murrica and the UK cared about grunge, I don't remember hearing Nirvana even once on the radio and I fucking spent all day glued to it to make mixtapes, the early 90s sounded like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d73tiBBzvFMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYIaWeVL1JMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6FVk2k4qsM
>>130432674ditto country, millions people listened to that and for them Garth Brooks and Vince Gill were the face of the 90s rather than Nirvana
>>130432495Here's what Skid Row's bass player said: "Some kid had given it to him up in Winnipeg, and he put it on when we were in Los Angeles. I distinctly remember telling him: ‘I wouldn’t wear that if I were you’. But he did it anyway. By that point, the stupid sh*t he was doing was almost becoming sociopathic. He seemed to feel that he was above all rules and regulations.”The notion that a person as image-conscious as hair metal lead singers wouldn't know what the shirt they put on said is taking /mu/ retardation to previously unimagined levels.
>>130432513still waiting for even one example of a band who still broke nationally without a video in the 80's and early 90's.they even know the bitch who got a reluctant MTV to start playing Nirvana heavy is (Amy Finnerty) which would seem to be unneccessary if, as you implausibly suggest, it was actually a big national record before MTV started playing it.
>>130432391kekBut seriously, Nirvana is waaaaay more popular now than in the 1990s, I've seen many post-zoomer kids in real life wearing the Nirvana smiley t-shirt, while in the 90s I never saw anything Nirvana related ever.
>>130430100thisGrunge is formulaic as fuck, which is why there were A LOT of cookie-cutter bands shat out then quickly burn out and disappear. Also spawned one of the worst male vocal styles of all time. Tantrum music.
>>130432812>"Smells Like Teen Spirit" was released to radio on August 27, 1991. On September 10, it was released as the lead single from Nevermind, Nirvana's major label debut on DGC Records. The song did not initially chart, and it sold well only in regions of the United States with an established Nirvana fanbase.>The single was intended to be a base-building alternative rock cut from the album, and was not expected to be a hit; the follow-up "Come as You Are" was planned as the single that could cross over to mainstream radio formats. >However, campus and modern rock radio stations placed "Smells Like Teen Spirit" on heavy rotation. Danny Goldberg of Nirvana's management firm Gold Mountain said: "None of us heard it as a crossover song, but the public heard it and it was instantaneous ... They heard it on alternative radio, and then they rushed out like lemmings to buy it.">The video received its world premiere on MTV's late-night alternative rock program 120 Minutes on September 29
>>130432777since it was the conservative-leaning Reagan-Bush years and the average hair metal fan not being especially concerned with political correctness, he was in no risk of cancellation and his audience probably got off on that shirt
>>130433042>Smells Like Teen Spirit" was released to radio on August 27, 1991.So that would mean we should see SLTS in the singles chart close to that date if, as you implausibly claim, big 50000 watt rock radio stations (and not just dinky 1000 watt college/alt stations) just randomly started playing an unknown band's song and it miraculously blew up.However, SLTS did not enter the Top 40 singles charts until December 7 (after MTV put it on heavy rotation ..... duh)."Nirvana’s "Smells Like Teen Spirit" officially entered the U.S. Billboard Hot 100 Top 40 on December 7, 1991."
>>130432818That's cause whites are pathetic subhumans who can't think for themselves or create art without stealing from superior Black and Brown people
>>130432876Yup, whites cant make any art that is beautiful so they just throw privledged temper tanturms and call it "music"
>>130433087what aren't you comprehending? the kids might not have cared either way.but the exec's who decide what gets played and what doesn't do care, and seeing as most MTV exec's are libs, it's probably not wise to openly spout things opposite of what libs are supposed to back.and that's why SB made his ridiculously implausible excuse that he had no idea his shirt said that. kek.
>>130431914>Obviously that college rock scene wanted to hear something else than just constant glorification of corporate lifestyles in rock, with cocaine, whores and playing on skyscrapers with spandex pants on.the 2010s version of that was buttindie and Drake, yet there was no longer any alt music scene by then to challenge it
>>130433042>>130432513>>130432292Further proof you fell for a myth that Nirvana's manager pushes:It literally wasn't even a top 100 best selling album of 1991, which obviously wouldn't be the case if it supposedly was selling like hot cakes nationally right after its release.https://bestsellingalbums.org/year-end/Billboard_Top_Albums_1991
>>130433488>the 2010s version of that was buttindie and Drake, yet there was no longer any alt music scene by then to challenge itCorporate slop has always existed and always will. The reason it's not challenged anymore is that all the cool people do things other than music.
>>130421154the early 90s had a recession though
>Why did Grunge appeal to so many people when 90s was literally one of the decades?>101 repliesJust kill me already
>>130430071you can criticize yaweh without being a nihilist. swear to god you christcucks are incapable of nuance
>>130421154Gen X saw the faggotry of the 80s and invented their own counter faggotry.
>>130438416Half of the replies are just lonely indian men sperging out
>>130431112Good morning sir.
>>130439540I am ceo with bbc and bugati
>>130421288this but we had mtv and you’d turn it on after midnight on sunday in the 90s, they’re playing closer by nin for the first time. kept it from total suck
>>130432292this was what caused Nirvana's breakthrough, just like what happened to dozens of other alt bands in the late 80's/90's.MTV made Teen Spirit their Buzz Bin video in early October and Nevermind made the album charts in November."Andy Schuon is the most powerful man in the music business. An overstatement? Perhaps. But consider the evidence. Each week, he and a committee of 20 MTV employees choose which videos will go into the Buzz Bin-MTV’s name for the heavy rotation of selected alternative or cutting-edge clips. Roughly 75 percent of songs in the Bin will push their respective albums to gold or platinum. In a matter of weeks. It’s called instant stardom, and it’s happening with astonishing regularity. Moreover, it is happening with bands that no one would have considered contenders for mainstream success five years ago. Acts like Nirvana, Arrested Development, and the Red Hot Chili Peppers have all leaped to the top of the pop charts since the Buzz Bin’s inception."https://ew.com/article/1995/03/17/taking-care-buzz-iness-meet-alternative-rocks-best-friend/
the grunge era was the last time authentic underground bands broke into the mainstream. it never happened again after that.
>>130421154When rock music is played to individuals that makes individuals remember the 60s but a lot of individuals are not used to the sound of freedom so that those individuals start to seethe and can not handle rock music and understanding how badly individuals sold out during that decade and just briefly waking that long dormant memory for a moment cause the conformity to the current day seethe and simmer and individuals start listening to the velvet underground and distortion and feedback again and verse chorus verse and crescendo crescendo
>>130421154>>130421154Take any moron music addict you know and ask him what was the “popular” song three weeks ago, and he will not be able to tell. These songs are so lacking in all that the term “popular” means as regards their acceptableness, that they die overnight, unregretted. Directly the Yiddish manufacturers have another “hit” to make (it is always the public that is “hit”) a new song is crammed down the public gullet, and because it is the “latest,” and because the Yiddish advertisements say that it is a “hit,” and because the hired “pluggers” say that everybody is singing it, that song too becomes “popular” for its brief period, and so on through the year. It is the old game of “changing the styles” to speed up business and make the people buy. Nothing lasts in the Yiddish game—styles of clothing, movies nor songs; it is always something new, to stimulate the flow of money from the popular pocket into the moron music makers’ coffers.
>>130432674>the early 90s sounded like thisit sounded like this AND insufferable Nirvana singles everywhere after Cobain died.
it was one of the sounds of the times
