Did the 2000s truly begin in 1997?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyhrYis509Ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beINamVRGy4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQj--Kjn0z8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDdGrlylcEU
The 2000s didn't begin until the year 2000. Simple as. It was simply too significant of a year as the start of the New Millennium to not be considered a point of cultural shift in and of itself. 1997-1999 are more like the weird cautiously optimistic prelude to the 2000s
>>130429969>Did the 2000s truly begin in 1997?Each decade gradually arrived at their cultural generalization as they're remembered. Jan 1st 1980 people didn't just suddenly have Flock of Seagulls haircuts until 1990 when they got Jncos. You can see signs of each of them in the leading years, plus there's no reason that an even 10 year span starting and ending with a 0 needs to be the delineation. A lot of stuff doesn't fit in that box. "Late 90s/early 00s RnB" is an identifiable grouping, early 90s and late 90s feel very different culturally too.Also just looking at the song examples you posted, I'd have guessed about 97 for each of them. Those don't feel like 2000s songs to me
>>130430265>released in 1997https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0HSD_i2DvAI'm thinking OP has a point
>>130429969>"Memphis Design is replaced by the Y2K Aesthetic"this one feels like a complete asspull to be honest, I don't even know how you'd quantify that but pretty sure if you look at, say, Windows 98, Windows Me, and Windows 2000, and hell Mac OS 8 and 9, with Windows XP and OSX it's pretty obvious that the Y2K aesthetic didn't really start appearing until after 2000
since WWII the cultural shifts associated with the decades really start and end around the mid-decade, numerically speaking. the early 50s are more like the late 40s than the late 50s. late 50s and early 60s are contiguous. what people think of as "the 60s" didn’t really start until about 65, and so on.
>>130430297Software didn't look Y2K until about 2001, but hardware started looking Y2K by 97-98 (iMac G3 was 98).
>>130430301Honestly it sometimes feels like the 70s as a whole were just a quieter, slightly shittier extension of the 60s culture wise, the 80s on the other hand felt like a completely new beast to the 60s and 70s
1991-1996 = grunge and gangsta rap 90s1997-2002 = nu metal, boy bands, TRL, electronica 90s2003-2008 = scene, emo, screamo, crunk, ringtone rap, 2000s2009-2014 = quirky indie hipster vaporwave meme rap, electro pop, stomp clap hey, EDM, 2010s2015-2020 = sound cloud rap, trap, 2010s2021-2026 = hyper pop, break core, rage rap, all around boring and bland shit zoomer music era2027-2032 = ??????????? what will the future bring, who knows
>>130430301i have figured out cultural shifts occur in increments of 6 years, i have not figured out why
>>130430320>70s as a whole were just a quieter, slightly shittier extension of the 60sI agree with that. Or rather 1965-1980 was peak boomer. I've seen boomers call 70s rock like Zeppelin "the awesome sixties, maaannn".
>>130430291hmmm I'm curious how old you and OP are? I mean I was born in '91 so I was young for all this stuff but all these songs intuitively feel late 90s to me. Without knowing your age I wanna guess that you're a bit younger than me and you associate all your earliest memories with the 2000s, so these songs being from the late 90s doesn't seem to add up, maybe?
>>130430320the 70s really didnt come into its own until the mid to late 70s with the rise of disco, punk, and early rap and metalas the guy said, culture doesnt really get shaped until the second half of the decade, although there are decades where culture shifts right at the start, like never mind and grunge in 91
>>130430358'94.
Thinking of the GOOD music from the 00sIndustrial rock began in the early 80s, and derived from late 70s post-punkIndustrial Metal started in the late 80s and derived from early 80s Industrial Rock Nu Metal started in the mid 90s and derived from early 80s Funk MetalPop Punk started in the early 80s and derived from mid 70s punk rockThese sounds dont just come out of nowhere
>>130430380yeah I guess that adds up. Dunno if my theory is right but it's all I got to explain why these songs feel 2000s to yall
another thing, sometimes eras bleed into each other, its not a perfect quick turn of culture.nu metal, pop punk, and electronica came about in the late 90s but they extended into the 2000s
>>130429969bring your cancerous bullshit back to r/decadeology and fuck off forever>>130430327As if the 2010s were that fucking good. We were a part of 2015 - 2020 and you faggots were also a part of the bullshit in 2021 - 2026. Enough.
>>130429969The 2000s only existed from 2004-2007. Everything up to 2004 was just an extension of the 90s and in 2007-08 the short existence of the 2000s ended prematurely with the great recession and the early-2010s began.
>>130429969Memphis design ended in like 89-90. there may have been vestiges of it for a while, but it was completely dead for several years by 97.
>>130430301>the early 50s are more like the late 40s than the late 50s. late 50s and early 60s are contiguous.it's really three blocks. 1950-54, 1955-58, and 1959-63
>>1304300592000 still felt like the late 90s for the most part.
>>130430265Every year back then was its own thing culture-wise and had a completely different vibe to it.
>>130432834>Everything up to 2004 was just an extension of the 90s2001-03 were very much not the 90s.
>>130430301>what people think of as "the 60s" didn’t really start until about 65the 60s breaks down roughly into 1960-63, 1964-66, and 67-69.
>>130433464Yeah the early 60s was essentially a different decade from the late 60s altogether and almost every big name from 60-63 fell off after 65.
00s began 9/11/200100s ended 1/20/2009
ten years is a long time, 1990 and 1999 were very different and had little in common despite being notionally in the same decade
>>1304299693D gaming truly started in 1998. 1997 was the final year of mainline 2D games on a home console, which still applies to this day.
Some people argue that a decade begins on the 1 and not the 0 year, meaning in fact 1990 was the last year of the 80s and 91 the first year of the 90s.
>>130433592No one argues this except people who think decades are cardinal like centuries (so retards).
>>1304299692000s cinema started in 2001 with Fellowship of the Ring (same way 90s cinema started in 1991 with T2).
>>130433592not true. Centuries and Millenia begin on the 1, since there is no 0AD in the Christian calendar, so 2000 is 1999 years since the birth of Christ and not 2000 years. also there is a small difference between how you label centuries or millenia: the 1900s was 1900-1999 whereas the 20th Century is 1901-2000. The 1000s is 1000-1999 while the 2nd millennium was 1001-2000.
>>130429969Do you not understand numbers?
>>130433037Taco Bell still used it in the entire 90s
>>130429969Y2K began with WipeOut (1995)
>>130433428True because 2001-04 was the 90s.
>>130429969>TV shows end every year, and the biggest '90s shows (Seinfeld, Friends, X-Files, Simpsons, etc.) were still running>Memphis style had already been replaced by the David Carson grunge style>Wrestling continued to be trash TV for children, manchildren, and rednecks>Nu-metal didn't really go mainstream until Follow the Leader debuted at #1 in late 1998>A slight branding change for your cartoons is not a "cultural shift">2D and 3D gaming existed side by side then as they do nowThe only point here that's both accurate and indicative of an actual sea change in culture is the Shiny Suit Era taking over in '97. The rest is pure out-of-touch autism like all of these types of infographics that fixate on certain years, with the only difference being that it's 1997 this time instead of 2007.
>>130429969I was 15 that year. The only thing I noticed is that rock became a lot more niche and real metal was pushed even further to the margins in favor of punk. I was an outsider then and was listening to Obituary and Sepultura (i actually didn't like Roots too much) a lot so I never fit in. I did like 80s hardcore too but the whole metalcore thing hadn't quite taken off yet, though my buddy and ex-band bassist and I used to trade copies of Victory Records compilations a year or two later.
>>130434185no it wasn't and especially not after 9/11
Y2K is it's own microcosmial thing, kinda like the Covid era of 2020-2021. Everyone knows the 2000's didn't officially start until 9/11
>>130433696companies don't change their logos every year. Burger King were using a groovy 60s bubble font logo for almost 25 years.
>>130430366The counterculture era really ended with Nixon's reelection and there was a rapid change in 1973 as the era of polyester and Quaaludes began.
>>130433620>>130433592It's safe to argue that 1960 was the last year of the 50s rather than the first year of the 60s, and 1980 was the last year of the 70s rather than the first year of the 80s.
>>130434853yet still, the first previews of the 90s were coming as early as 1988 when alternative rock began cropping up on the charts and hair metal was pretty much spent and only running on inertia.
>>130430327>break coreWas a thing of the late 90s
>>1304348261969-72 albums are dry-sounding, beginning in 73 sounds shift to being bigger and lush and counterculture themes and politics disappear from songwriting.
>>130434869'87 had the last big burst of hair metal albums and after that, and excepting Dr. Feelgood (a nice sendoff to the format), they're mostly forgettable OHW acts. After that, Tracy Chapman, Edie Brickell, the first Soundgarden album, The Real Thing, Mother's Milk, and Facelift clearly showed where things were headed.
I wonder what direction American culture would have gone if 9/11 never happened.
>>130433503even the Beach Boys. by 68-69 nobody in the US gave a shit about them and most of their audience was in Europe.
>>130434853most of the hits in '60 sounded kind of maudlin. it was a good year overall, better than the two surrounding ones, but '61 was a lot cheerier sounding.
>>130435245The tail end of the Eisenhower years and there was a recession was why 1960's hits were mopey.
>>1304347349/11 didn't change shit.
>>130436073that's 1983. when black and red were the hot color combination in everything.
>>130433558Also 1970 and 79 were very different.
>>130430265You can kind of feel it now where the 2020s have a lot of lingering trends and ideals from the mid 2010s. We've been in a long Trump era more or less. COVID kind of fucked with normal cultural progression though.
>>130435572Sure, if you were born in 2004, which you were.
>>130433401https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t8wwWzbMD0#1 song of 1952. Hard to imagine that being a hit in '59, although really it was a bit old-fashioned even for '52.
>>130430366Yeah, this seems to be the case for a lot of decades.- The 50s didn't really begin culturally until rock and roll became big in '54 and '55- The cultural 60s started around '63 with JFK's assassination and the rise of Beatlemania- The 70s were around the middle of the decade with events like Nixon resigning like >>130434826 said- I feel an argument could be made for the cultural 80s starting anywhere right from 1980 with the death of disco and the rise of politicians like Reagan and Thatcher, but also possibly like 1983 or so when artists like Madonna came to be- 1991 is a pretty good year for when the 90s culturally started with grunge
>>130437737The 80s really starts in 82 which is when everything definitely no longer sounds like the 70s.
>>130437630the early 50s were a transitional period. tape recording and 45 discs were in and allowed new sonic possibilities. crooning had died off and the style in pop vocals was being loud instead of sleepy. however, mainstream pop was still quite conservative and did not deviate from the established Tin Pan Alley format, that took the rise of indie labels, especially in the South, to truly create a new sound.
>>1304348531978 feels more 80s than 60s, lots of bands started using synths that year, most notably Rush.>>130430353They were my dad's favorite band until around 77 when country started to appeal to him more.
>>130434953You still had the .com crash in 2000. Obviously not as traumatic as 9/11 but still strong enough to end the 90s economic optimism. Plus Columbine in 1999. It’s possible you have that darker cultural turn without the attacks, though probably more subtle.
>>130429969The 2000s do not truly begin until like 2006 with italians do it better when johnny jule realizes mixing late one night on the console that trevor horn understood the 80s and realized the importance of italo disco
>>130437949>1978 feels more 80s than 60sthe aesthetic was closer to the 80s but still had that nihilistic 70s vibe and not Day Glo 80s optimism
Why the fuck do people split the 00s into parts all the time? Yes the early and late 00s were different but so were every other decade.
>>130434953woke would've started a decade earlier
>>130444345recency bias my guy, also I feel like this doesn't apply to the 2010s, the 2010s overall were pretty homogeneous until it ended with covid
the 70s were clearly divided into 1970-72, 73-76, and 77-79.
The reason decades bleed into eachother culturally is because culture doesn't neatly fit into artificial boxes like that. Decades themselves are a social construct. We shouldn't even be relying on a base-10 epoch anyways since duodecimal is the superior and more elegant numbering system. AD/BC doesn't even make sense as the start of the epoch also because Dionysius Exiguus, the person who invented it, got Jesus' birth year completely wrong so it's based on an incorrect assumption and we all just accept it.
>>130445667as someone else said, ten years is a long time and 1990 and 99 really had nothing in common despite being in the same decade on paper
>>130445687decades are a fake and gay concept. They didn't exist before the 1920s and I'm so glad they're basically dying conceptually
>>130445613You're better to view it as mini-decades like this.
>>130445824not true either, the 1890s were popularly known back then as the Gay Nineties even though most of the decade was marred by a severe economic depression
>>130445379No lmao. Early 2010s were vastly different from mid to late 2010s.
>>130448661>>130446057cf. here. 1959 was nothing at all like the early 50s.
1997-2006 was one era
>>1304499892006 was nothing at all like 97 and you would know that if you weren't 2 years old in 06
>>1304334282000-9/11 really did not feel any different from the mid 90s
>>130435572Zoomer and Gen Alpha take
>>130429969This is very US centric.
>>130437949>1978 feels more 80sThe 80s started around 1978 with new wave anyways. The whole aesthetics and music of the following decade was already established.
>>130450686that was more an extension of the late 90s but not really like 94-95 at all
>>130448679you could half-argue the aesthetics of the 60s were in place by 1958 as well
>>130429969fuck you op you stupid fucking piece of shit retardwe asnwered on tv alreadyfuck you and die fucking bitch
>>130453587>you could half-argue the aesthetics of the 60s were in place by 1958 as wellask the average person and the image of the 60s that they have in their heads is cops beating up protesters outside the 68 DNC as "All Along The Watchtower" plays. nobody thinks of the "60s" as being 1958-66, come on. they 100% totally think the 60s were 67-69 even though by your metric the 70s actually started in 68.
