Why has every single song post-1999 sucked dick? Are they trying to make people miserable?
why are people pretending the smashing pumpkins were the only band to massively fall off after a high peak? isn't that the norm for rock bands?
>>130434854Sure but with all the shit put out the last 27 years you’d think there would be at least 1 good song in there
>>130434915it's something about aesthetic trends and momentum. billy is convinced siamese dream is dated and boring. he wants to make sterile EDM music and DAW metal because he perceives it as fresh and futuristic. vile example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54IelfXA3vs&list=RD54IelfXA3vs&start_radio=1older generations grew out of the great aesthetics of their times and are now into what we perceive as absolute slop
>>130434938Billy is no different than 60s rock stars who in the 80s felt they had to have DX7 synths and giant drums on their albums to be here and now.
>>130434960yes same thing
>>130434960>>130434938there was a clip where he talked about his new guitar and pedals. he thought it was important how everything sounded new and fresh, essentially updating their old sound. people like billy at some point are convinced that albums like siamese dream are dated and people have to move on. I'm 24 and I perceive Siamese Dream as flawless, modern, complete-sounding. His new 'modern-sounding' stuff is like the equivalent of 2nd or 3rd world country acts producing DX7 and MS20 synth pop in 1995.
>>130434938holy jesus is this what hes making?
>>130434915https://youtu.be/l7D3-jXN1Kw
>>130435111sounds great
>>130435041If people need to move on, why doesn’t he refuse the royalty money?
>>130435135hopefully Butch convinced him otherwise now
What happened to that mid kinda cute girl bassist
>>130434915Oceania was good, it was the last time they sounded organic. and groovy. Can't vouch for anything after that.
>>130434832Because it’s gay Billy solo shit since then. He brought the Pumpkins name back in ‘07 because nobody gave a shit about his flippy dippy solo album or Zwan
>>130434915he gave away one of his best post 2000 songs to Taproot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPP0ebGrNiMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4sOESmvh3U
>>130437104damn i still havent checked out zwan
>>130434915i made a thread about this 2 days ago>>130419113but you also need to adjust your expectation because no band is good forever, for a band that's almost 40 years old billy still can put out some good music.
>>130434832Just listen to Gish, Siamese Dream, Mellon Collie, and Adore and forget everything else exists. That's what I do.
>>130438026zwan is legit good although some hardcore SP fans think their only released album was a step down compared to the song they had played for their initial touring.the thing about zwan it started out well, billy wanted to dip his toe to the indie scene so he brought jimmy and 2 other dudes who were already known in the indie scene. and then billy thought damn i needed a female bassist because that wouldn't be my kind of band without one and that's when all hell broke through.billy said some nasty thing about his ex-bandmates here but i think billy was just jealous the female bassist didn't fuck him but fuck the other bandmate instead and so he just lost his mind. which is ashamed though because their 3-guitarist lineup actually worked to create that dreamy sound Zwan had. current SP also does this with Iha and Kiki Wong (why is she there? no one knows) as the other 2 guitarists but they're not as good.
>>130434915you really wouldn't; creativity is rarely something you have your whole life.
>>130435258https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%27arcy_Wretzky
>used to think Billy was an arrogant shithead>now everything he says makes senseI don’t know what happened, either he changed or I did
>>130438441Every time I listen to Billy in a long-form interview he comes off as a very reasonable and thoughtful guy to me. A bit self-congratulatory, sure, but that's not incongruent with his status as a musical genius.
I think the he has the same issue Prince had, where he channeled the magic at the begining and once he had success and bought into his own hype (to an even bigger degree) his quality control went to shit and he doesnt have a good person he trusts to tell him when his ideas are mid
perhaps nobody in the band actually did it with each other, instead, the others noticed big willies burdgeoning boner for Paz and they started razzing him by doing a bit where it was like “here comes the big man here he is sshhhh” “ahem so Dave, yeah. About last night. Yeah man. It happened. And let me tel u what man it was so wild but man, man. Her bellybutton does smell of patchouli just like u said” “ah, rad man! do u think she’ll ride it (my pony) next?” etc. and then even she got on board with it as well and was like “oh pajo u forgot your nocturnal bite guard here in my guitar case but don’t worry i washed it off for u also it was so nice to do it in public for a change for once etc” and it was hilarious all until big willie lost his god damned mind and torpedoed one of the biggest indie groundswells of all time out of simple, dry-peened spite
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>>130434832There was only one person who had the balls to tell Corgan "no" if an idea sucked enough to force him to change it and constantly fought him instead of just glazing him or taking it. That was D'arcy. D'arcy left in 1999. She half worked on the Machina albums which is why they are half good. She is not involved with anything else which is why it is largely horseshit, which is now largely producers being yesmen who do not interfere with Corgans ideas since he is a legend.Her biggest contribution is not the subpar playing but being the quality control of the band. He needs someone to tell him when ideas are bad and she was the only one who did
>>130434832Stopped into his coffee shop Madam Zuzus a few weeks ago. Didn’t expect to see him, was absolutely star struck that he was in there hanging out on his computer. It was just us two and the coffee staff. Figured to myself, one of the coolest dudes I’ve looked up too is sitting right in front of me maybe he’d be cool with a quick pic. I got the guts to walk up figuring since nobody else was in there it would be cool. I said “hey Billy, I’m a huge fan of your music would it be cool to grab a quick pic with you?” He told me “sorry I don’t do pics” and proceeded to go back to his computer. Said thanks no worries enjoy your day and walked out. Hindsight, he definitely could’ve just t said ya sure and I would’ve had a great selfie. But whatever, after reading some of these comments definitely understand why he can be perceived as a douchebag. Still like the pumpkins.
>>130438793That it was just like Madonna when she lost Guy Ritchie and Liz Rosenberg. Nobody but yes men around her.
>>130439010you should have asked him to scan the candy bar again
>>130439010does Zuzus even make him money? he always puts some bullshit exclusive release there like Siddharta and AEGEA
>>130434832>>130434915It's literally because after the success of MCIS (especially 1979 which he pretty much wrote and made just by himself), Billy stopped accepting criticism of any kind, especially from producers. Billy has written some pretty good tunes since 1999, which he summarily ruined with butt rock production and bad mixing (especially vocals) because he thinks he's a better producer than Butch Vig. He literally thought Nirvana was "stealing his sound" in the early 90s when his sound was just Big Muff and ripping off My Bloody Valentine. He's like that Cum Town bit where Eric Clapton spuriously accuses everyone of stealing his idea of putting a robot who controls him with wires and levers up his ass, but you know, real.
>>130434832>blah blah blahDon’t care, this whole interview was kino: https://youtu.be/nAfkxHcqWKI
>>130439010I mean even if he is rough he probably has gotten these requests 20x a day at his store and is tired of them when he just wants to work on it. Even celebs want to have some resemblance of a normal life at times, it is not really personaly
there are other legacy rock bands whose current output also don't match with their prime time but they can still perform well in the chartmeanwhile the last time SP's album charted well was back in Oceania and after that they immediately sank.
>>130439010Because as soon as you post that shit to Reddit or instagram, everybody would be camping out to get a selfie with him for eternity
>>130434938>it's something about aesthetic trends and momentum. billy is convinced siamese dream is dated and boring. he wants to make sterile EDM music and DAW metal because he perceives it as fresh and futuristicBilly has been obsessed with charting since his solo album band Zwan failed to make waves. He views "Siamese Dream" as having an indie sound and he now associates indie with failure.
>>130434832>Why has every single song post-1999 sucked dick?You either have the most unimaginably shit taste on the planet or you haven't actually listened to the music you're talking about. Which one is it?>>130434915Here's a small selection of various post-Machina tracks that are just as good if not better than anything that came before.>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HYtsJphB1I>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MceiDoymHEA>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT9jdrx4V-M>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m5cu9L1iyM>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7gw8H7NX38>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVCHpKvyCAg>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dpSnDmjDSs
>>130438742I like to think that Billy started Zwan as an elaborate pretext to bone Paz.
>>130439451>he now associates indie with failureThis is very smart. Indie is a garbage genre overflowing with failed musicians.
>>130439473Oh, I'll also add that while I've been a massive lifelong Pumpkins fan, they did go to complete unredeemable shit after Oceania, so a bit after 2012. Bringing James back was a huge mistake. But there is a huge amount of excellent music in that '99-'12 period. Billy did a solo acoustic/piano album in 2017 that was also very good, but I am fully in agreement with describing shit like >>130434938 as "vile".
>>130434938Holy SHIT hahahahhaa
>>130439497>Indie sucks but cheesy rock opera is cool!How about rock is dead.
It's crazy that Billy has one of the best drummers at his disposal but he's back to using a drum machine like it's 1988.
>>130434938what the fuck is this
>>130439630Seriously how do you go from jellybelly to whatever the fuck this is now
>>130439070I mean he bought a whole pro wrestling company in 2017 and that seems to be doing ok too
>>130439630At least Billy let Jimmy rip again in Aghori
>>130439558Hurray is shit but it's just that one particular track that's ireedemably horrible in the grand scheme of the vast sea called ATUM. It's like Run2Me in Monuments to an Elegy and maybe there's also that kind of track in Cyr but I'm too lazy to revisit that album.
>>130440633https://youtu.be/alMvy8H13BIProbably this
>>130434832say what you want about billy being a fucking cuntbut you're talking plain shitthe guy could make songs and had his stylemachina had some of the best pumpkins songs and even zeitgeist had somedon't pretend you don't see factstimes change and things finishthe band was done and he took over here and there at some point and later on
>>130439361Is he trying to run a business or a personal hangout on a lease? Foot traffic is supposed to be a good thing.
