why did rockists and hipsters get irrationally angry over the girl/boyband fad in the late 90s? it's just inoffensive background noise to play over the sound system while shopping at Banana Republic.
>>130437460Ask the dude who seethes at people posting Beatle threads AKA boyband fag.
>>130437460That whole trend was literally enriching fat ugly Jewish pederasts like Lou Pearlman. It was very distasteful and gross and creepy.
>>130437460it was the definitive demise of any organic music or subcultures and proof that only manufactured slop for suburban 12 year olds was going to be on the Billboard from that point onward.
>>130437460it's not music, it was just a bunch of dancing mimes lip syncing Max Martin tunes
>>130437494this.
>>130437460You would hate it too if you were there as opposed to born in 2004, OP, and remembered just how massively forced down everyone's throat this bullshit was. Even when my sister was in the target audience for this stuff she wasn't a fan, she was into RHCP and Stone Temple Pilots instead.
>>130437460idk for some reason hipsters always get butthurt at anything women and middle school girls like
>>13043746090s Beatles
>>130437532the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, the Rolling Stones, and Dylan were manufactured slop too to sell suburban boomer kids on blues and fake rebellion
It felt as though the center of gravity had shifted. what this type of dance pop thing represented: industrial pop monoculture, "music for girls," and the fact that rock no longer constituted the undisputed center of youth culture. rockists valued songwriting, performers, the beatles rock guitar/bass/drums/vocals band template. teen pop/manufactured dance pop and rap are directly against that.rap had already been around for some time by then, but it remained somewhat niche and "urban" which subjected it to a certain degree of stigma. Rockists had reacted similarly to other forms of pop that threatened rock's supremacy between the 1950s and the 2000s like the rejection of disco in the late 70s, or the hostility directed toward "techno," 80s shitty pop stars such as New Kids on the Block, Marky Mark, Tiffany etc. but these werent serious threats.however, the phenomenon embodied by Britney, boy bands, and their ilk strikes me as having been of a different nature. in the 70s, rock remained the genre of choice for a large segment of white suburban American youth, in the 80s, rock maintained a dominant position. rock purists and subcultures already existed that looked down on other subgenres, hipsters hated hair metal etcIn the early and mid 90s alt rock was the big thing and all but only one thing on the charts, however it was "cool" and "edgy". by late 90s postgrunge, nu metal, and pop punk gradually took over as the major popular styles. It was mallcore, not as edgy. they were becoming increasingly "pop" or drifting away from traditional rock conventions even as alternative rock, indie rock, and punk rock all remained, in essence, firmly rooted in the rock idiom and the tradition of guitar-driven rock. hip-hop, R&B, and this brand of "dance-pop" became the dominant musical forces while rock subcultures found themselves increasingly "popified" (exemplified by genres like emo or scenecore, which were ultimately just variations of pop punk).
>>130437758as he said, organic music subcultures kind of died off. there weren't a new pool of exciting underground bands to take over once grunge had faded. why that was is anyone's guess.
>>130437460>rockistsSince when is this a word? It just sounds like a lazy reworking of "racist."
>>130437821I remember Cuckgau's review of Sugar Ray's Floored and he remarks that they were the only passable young new band he could think of that emerged in '97. Which was true, the talent pool was definitely drying up compared to ten years earlier.
>>130437460yeah to be honest nsync is fine. jusiin bieber got all the hate of the 2000s though he even got a bottle thrown at himhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e50vqY7Szo
>>130437893>>130437821That's easy. Cool people just kind of stopped getting into music and did other stuff/subcultures instead.
>>130437460No, it isn't inoffensive background noise. It make my brain hurt, it's phisically painfull.It's like having to listen to a faggot biker riding his loud bikeIt's like nails on a chalkboardIt's like sound of a construction siteYap, that's what those boy bands from the 90's made me feel then, as a kid, and now as old man
>>130437821because of that the industry increasingly got desperate and had to invent fake subcultures like emo in a corporate boardroom. everyone knew for example that nu metal bands were as manufactured as N*Sync, none of them had any organic development in an underground scene.
>>130437758Yeah but that's rock's fault. It became lame as fuck.In the 70s, Bowie, Iggy Pop, Robert Plant, Mick Jagger, Jim Morrison etc were dangerous, sexually charged, and counter-cultural. Elvis scared the old people. In the 90s, Cobain was a legitimate, unpredictable threat to the mainstream establishment. Even clowns like Kiedis had swagger. But by the 2010s? Mainstream "rock" was just Adam Levine (Maroon 5) getting a bad chest tattoo and doing falsetto pop, or literal Mormon geeks from Imagine Dragons and The Killers yelling over a synthesized drum machine. Black Keys making music engineered to be played over a montage of an F-150 rolling in mud narrated by a gravely voice actor. You know what I heard on rock radio growing up? If it wasn't Nickelback How You Remind Me or some other buttrock, or the alt station playing Red Hot Chili Peppers and U2 Beautiful Day 1000x it was Keane/Snow Patrol/The Fray/Coldplay/Howie Day/Daniel Powter/Gavin Degraw/James Blunt type mid 2000s sensitive white guy moaning over a piano that sounds like The Office theme. The grit, the sweat, the risk, and the danger were completely sanded down by PR agencies and focus groups.
>>130437998Yes, exactly. Those were all manufactured groups they weren't organic and none of them got signed because an A&R guy found The Plain White Ts or something in a club and decided "ah, this is the future of rock-and-roll."
>>130438050Weren't Foreigner the first early experiment in lab-generated rock?
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You wanna see something crazy? This was released less than a week ago.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a39_tRGjk_A
>>130438197Close but it was actually the Eagles.>bunch of session guys that were assembled into a group after Dave Geffen and Irv Azoff decided to create the perfect rock group that would check all boxes on a list>give them top tier songwriting help from John David Souther, Jackson Browne, etc>they could just buy top musicians like Joe Walsh the way the Yankees would buy a pitcher
>>130437460it's a bunch of trafficked Disney sex slaves doing choreography
>>130438251Thats giving way too much credit to any of the Eagles (and especially JD Souther) before the they hit it mang. Bernie probably was the biggest being in Flying Burritos Bros before or maybe Randy in Poco but I dont think anyone expected "dudes mostly made up of Linda Rondstats backing band with failed bands before" to becomes the biggest selling american band in history. Jackson Browne literally just brought his friends to Geffin and he saw another band to exploit and he said sure.
>>130437460I don't think it was all bad, but NSync was really lame in hindsight. It was pretty much already Justin's solo career, but with worse songs than his actual solo career, and the rest of the group were his glorified backup dancers.
the production on those albums was not quite as awful as 2010s production, there was for example no Autotuned 808 bullshit
>>130438335>implying they're not still doing that>implying implications with Olivia Rodrigo
>>130437998>In the 90s, Cobain was a legitimate, unpredictable threat to the mainstream establishment.What? He was completely swaggerless had the most basic-bitch liberal opinions on everything. His music couldn't have been too threatening either, since the industry flooded radio with Nirvana soundalikes for the next 15 years despite grunge's limited popularity even in its prime.
>>130437460i mean, yeah "Bye Bye Bye" totally did give off that "shopping at the mall in 2000 vibe."
>>130437460why did rockists and hipsters get irrationally angry over Taylor Swift? she's just inoffensive background noise to play over the sound system at Ross while shopping for pants.
>>130437998>>130437893>Telecommunications Act of 1996>Matchbox 20 debut in 1996And rock was never good again.
>>130437460Rockists get angry at any genre especially if it involves synths.
Rockists could have fully pushed Bring Me The Horizon into the mainstream but instead the purists had to cry about how it wasnt real rock o algo even though they were a million times better than those other Bands who were representing their genre in the mainstream
>>130437460boy bands = girls like them which means they're gaygirl groups = girly and feminine, cringe
>>130439169>Telecommunications Act of 1996had nothing to do with underground scenes drying up. that happened organically. the industry had in fact been pretty consolidated since the 70s when everything centralized in LA.
>>130439662Not even girls as in "women" in this case, literal grade schoolers were the audience for boyband slop.
>>130437757All of those bands were organically created by their individual members who through their collected passion for music, dedication, and work ethic created timeless art that still stands the test of time. Those groups werent handed a career they were nobodies who had to prove themselves on the road and face hardship to make it. Its nothing like you see today with popstars
>>130437553That was the irony of it all. "Plastic fake people who can't sing or play instruments" While Max Martin was a literal musical genius behind everything. At everything! Harmony, melody, killer basslines, key changes, etc. etc. and layered in this frenetic energy with his bombastic short orchestral bursts. He was literally more talented at music than blues-bending Boomer schlop like Clapton.
>>130437460>why did rockists and hipsters get irrationally angry over the girl/boyband fad in the late 90s? it's just inoffensive background noise to play over the sound system while shopping at Banana Republic.You say Justin Bieber- I say Avenged Sevenfold You say Miley Cyrus- I say Pantera You say T-Pain- I say Led Zeppelin You say Lady GaGa- I say Metallica You say hip hop- I say rock You say Pop- I scream Metal!! 92% of teenagers have turned to hip hop and Pop. If you are part of the 8% that still listen to real music, copy and paste this message to another 5 videos. DONT LET ROCK DIE !!Remember that copy-pasta all around YouTube? Good sóyllenial times.
>>130437460Max Martin is proof that Europeans don't understand American music and shouldn't try.
>>130443990I don't even think it was fair to downplay the actual members' talent. They could definitely sing, for starters. Back when the boy band fad first started, the labels made a point of having all these groups sing a capella in TV appearances and such to prove that they weren't Milli Vanilli. Usually at least some of the members would be heavily involved in writing the songs too, like Justin and JC were doing the songwriting for NSync for example.But yes, Max Martin doesn't get anywhere near enough credit. Guy was multitalented too, he was in a metal band on the side.
>>130437736That's not Oasis
If you guys want to redpill yourselves on why music went to shit in the late 90s, look up the Telecommunications Act of 1996
>>130437460>it's just inoffensive background noise to play over the sound system while shopping at Banana Republic.I think that's what made them irrationally angry lol. I can post-ironically enjoy some of this stuff now, like really peak American imperial music. This Backstreet Boys video is really great, very late-90s, big budget, same year that George Lucas came out with the Phantom Menace:https://youtu.be/MEb2CecR11I>>130437998>The grit, the sweat, the risk, and the danger were completely sanded down by PR agencies and focus groups.I think the post-9/11 cultural atmosphere also had a lot of effect.
>>130437460An interesting postmodern thing about these bands is they'd also have fun with the idea that they were manufactured commercial products. The album cover has them being dangled on strings. NSYNC has a video where they're like dolls in the toy section of a Kmart:https://youtu.be/GQMlWwIXg3M
>>130437460structurally there’s little difference between the best 90s boy band tracks and songs from the Motown hit factory. Both follow formulas for universal appeal, the only changes are the vocals and production.
>>130444500No, already answered in here. Corporate slop has always existed.>>130441685
>>130445026>Both follow formulas for universal appealdude...boyband slop was not "universal" it was aimed specifically and only at 9 to 12 year old girls
>>130444946>The album cover has them being dangled on strings.IIRC, that was actually a diss to Lou Pearlman. The cover art and title were all about them breaking free from him.
>>130444500I don't think music went to shit in the late '90s. Radio certainly started to, but it's foolish to bame it entirely on corporate consolidation of the station owners when the bigger culprits were the labels pulling strings. I doubt Nickelback was being forced into every format under the sun for a decade just because Clear Channel and Viacom thought they were good.
