How do melodies evolve exactly? You can't find melodies in the 1960s that sound like Blink-182, for example. But all the notes were there.What would even happen if you played math rock for someone in 1971? They wouldn't have any frame of reference for what they were hearing.
>>130509157I think about this a lot.
>>130509157Jews letting slip the secret sauce every now and then.Peak mind manipulation
>>130509157Some of it is the instrumentation and production on records, those affect a lot of what you can do.
>>130509157Hot Mulligan is a great example. They make pop punk, but their pop punk sounds nothing like nineties pop punk or 00s pop punk. The melodies are nuts. 2020s style melodic phrasing
>>130509157https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BuZGe4aXD0how do you think this has such a uniquely 60s melody that couldn't exist in any other era?
>>130509157melodies stick in peoples minds and influence them. and they mutate somehow. and evolve into new music
It's complicated because it's not just music evolving in a vacuum. It's also some sort of collective psych style, that gets reflected in the zeitgeist of that era.Like during the classical/baroque period, melodies were very playful, speedy and ornate.Then once Romanticism appeared, they got more understated, simplified, sombre and didn't indulge as much in flourishes.Early 20th century this effect is more obvious as social and cultural crises led to atonal music, things were getting more dada and schizophrenic in high culture.Then high culture committed seppukku, faded out of the picture and after the war, cheerful and stupid mass culture started blooming. Simple tunes, jumpy rhythms, silly lyrics.Everything grows from some kind of previous ground. And the mass psychology of that particular era gets reflected in how melodies are made too.So you can't simply isolate things and say music evolved purely as its own separate thing. It engaged everything.
>>130501347Most of the hits in 1960 sounded a bit sodden while 1961 sounded bright and cheerful. That's easily explained--there was a recession in '60 and it was the last year of Eisenhower, things were sort of bleh while everyone in '61 was riding off that Kennedy optimism.
>>130509157the best person in this image is Cobain, and he wasn't even that great.
>>130509975Bro
>>130509157you can find melodies that sound like blink 182 in the 60s they just arent the same rhythms
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>>130509157>What would even happen if you played math rock for someone in 1971?I wonder what it would be look if someone played music to us from 100 years in the futureI bet we would understand it pretty well
>>130512904Oh so a junkie who killed himself is somehow better?
>>130509157>60s harry styles in imagethis image is so yassified and served cunt. i'm gay and a huge beatles fan btw.
>>130514791>is that… JohN Lennon in the photo… OH GOD!!!! IM GOING INSANE
>>130514791>is fine with Freddie Mercury, who is gay
>>130509157some popular jpop songs have math rock feel to themhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO_aopUeFnw
>>130509157i dont know who is the ginger or the nigger
>>130509157Killing Himself is what made Kurt famous btw. Nirvana was dying off by the time he offed
>>130514761than pedophiles and fags? yes
>>130509157It's obviously hard to answer, but one thing to keep in mind is that we almost never hear melodies un-accompanied, so we often get tricked into thinking similar melodies are different because of instrumentation and harmony when they aren't so much.Generally though, from the 1950's to today, I'd say the general trend has been:>less long melodies that "tell a story" with a beginning, middle and end, and more focus on repetition and clear hooks>less reliance on functional harmony to guide the melody along towards clear progression with moments of tension and releases, and instead more chord loops and focus on building different ideas on top of this loop>much more focus on rhythm and having melodies that "groove" even without the backing instrumentation>(this one is more from the 80's to today) less and less use of blues vocabulary and blue notesThere are of course a billion of opposites in all eras to this, but when it comes at least to popular music I feel like those are the general trends.
>>130509157>New melodies are created out of "combining" old ones or changing them slightly, this is probably the biggest factor>Different instruments or combinations of instruments>Changes in technology>Changes in music production
>>130514972Awesome morality. Go shoot up and die please.
>>130509157Top 4 mog bottom 4 hard holy shit
>>130515999>>130509689A lot of 50s-60s groups did updated covers of standards from earlier times. The Flamingoes' "I Only Have Eyes For You" being an example, and it sounds totally like its own thing, not earlier versions.
example is Christmas standards, recordings from different decades of the same song are all different and sound like the year they were recorded
>>130515152https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLtODFQ_R5kmusic in the 50s had more flow to it, more emphasis on instrumental or vocal skillhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLtODFQ_R5kby 2000 not so much, more just talk-singing over a static backing track
>>130509157>You can't find melodies in the 1960s that sound like Blink-182.All The Small Things is basically just a 60s pop song with lyrics changed to appeal to whiny kids.
>>130509157>What would even happen if you played math rock for someone in 1971?They would clown it for ripping off Yes.
>>130509975All 4 of the people in the top row were more talented performers than Cobain.
>>130514965They hit fame back in early September 91
>>130517991Lennon with his whiny ass voice definitely wasn'tAnd Jacko with his a-hoos and eeks was weird.Cobain at the top of his vox was great, though Staley was definitely above him, but not as talented a songwriter
>>130518080>Lennon whinier than CobainYou liveth not in reality.
>>130509157>You can't find melodies in the 1960s that sound like Blink-182, for exampleYou probably could if you did enough digging
>>130509186Link a song demonstrating this
>>130518108https://youtu.be/0KtRe6oxMbk?t=91
Zeppelin was more relevant in 70s than queen
>>130509157how could those boomers possibly understand math rock???https://youtu.be/QDUqOfErTjM?si=kb0oiWjhLBgnQKZa
>>130509157never heard of the last two, no idea who they are
>>130515152https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtBorKd8P6ceg. that typically muddy 70s pop sound
