Mendelssohn editionhttps://youtu.be/seZxdt1T480This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>130499517
Happy pride, everyone
>>130512032Anon pride worldwide
>>130512013>*Saves Bach* Thank you
>>130512038Kiss me, boy
>>130512032Happy pride! Sad we didn't get Szymanowski edition, next time!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxNzIwUSwYo
so hard to find your ideal recordings when you insist on having all repeats and it being in stereo
>>130512013A pointless concerto from Mendelssohn
>>130512013Haven't heard Francescatti before, on first impression his playing seems a bit timid.
>>130512065>I want less music in my music
>>130512088More music=more better
>>130512065I used to need repeats now it's fine either way
>>130512083And at times a bit rushed and monotone.
>mogs any slow movement by Beethoven in your pathhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxqfRfg5CfQ
What's the correct way to enjoy classical music?
>>130512129Playing chamber music with your friends and/or family.
>>130512129To listen to it
>>130512127It was a bold choice of him to record it on a Nokia thrown down a well
>>130512129Humming along to it
Italian Lieder > Italian Operahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C8b0J4wpGI
>>130512083I enjoy it played in the French style from him or Grumiaux
>>130512088Anon I want the repeats I'm just venting about how hard it isStill haven't found any stereo repeat-taking recording of K. 448 that isn't on a fucking harpsichord or fortepiano
>>130512013I like really sad, melancholic, engrossing pieces, and the other day I found Delius' Late Swallows. God damn, so much of his work resonates with me.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXKCb9l5YNgDoes anybody else have any recommendations for branching off based on this style of classical?
>>130512411https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dDfJBr-sFk&list=OLAK5uy_kK4Q0zEsO8JqMCvVpavg2Y9sjdGrYbTGU&index=2
>>130512032Remind me: what was the legality of sodomy in every European country during the classical era?
>>130512508During the classical era, the concept of "European countries" did not exist, since the continent was divided between the Roman Empire and various independent tribal territories. Furthermore, "sodomy" is an anachronistic term for this period. Ancient civilizations did not categorize sexuality by modern orientations, amd legality was instead determined by Roman Law (Lex Scantinia) and Greek cultural codes, which focused not on the secual oriantation of an act but instead on the active or passive roles of the participants and their social status.
>>130512536I don't think he meant that classical era dude
>>130511864I'd make fun of you but when I first started getting into the 3rd, I used to skip the first movement entirely, so I feel you. I love it now though.
Whats next if I really fuck with the 3rd moonlight movement?
Post god-tier albums/compilations that are on or near the level of this one by Klemperer
>>130512615I mean it's a very good set. You should also check out the Abbado/BPO one. It also comes with the single-movement choral works!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21LzBupjnZ4&list=OLAK5uy_k_FZdFbhcmGzM_bbs084jVf1F1JVC-ir8&index=19https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvAC3gazG04&list=OLAK5uy_k_FZdFbhcmGzM_bbs084jVf1F1JVC-ir8&index=13https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0me6rUUCnI&list=OLAK5uy_k_FZdFbhcmGzM_bbs084jVf1F1JVC-ir8&index=7https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws0KYN90zus&list=OLAK5uy_k_FZdFbhcmGzM_bbs084jVf1F1JVC-ir8&index=2Divine! He and Klemperer both have wonderful recordings of the German Requiem too.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCln5IPzX38&list=OLAK5uy_mJhqpgPE72MH-nhZLvdFDrGM_KCBscIOc&index=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwF7RNMB99Y&list=OLAK5uy_kvwrLemlKBkouFOwP9Bk5qHEFH3axaAxw&index=1Anyway, no, I'm not just gonna name every great cycle ever. Name a specific composer and I'll be happy to help you out!
>>130512612Waldstein 1st movement?
Classical music is kinda depressing
>>130512612Every other movement of the 32!
>>130512671>implying you can be depressed listening to thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUYwqViQsCw&list=OLAK5uy_l5TZ-nmykyFt_tdqGngp4JV679xfpZ7pA&index=8yeah right
>>130512657>It also comes with the single-movement choral works!OK I have to check that out, as I'm not familiar with those. I like some Abbado stuff>Anyway, no, I'm not just gonna name every great cycle ever. Name a specific composer and I'll be happy to help you out!Any recs for Tchaikovsky, Debussy, Dvorak, or Mendelssohn
>>130512664Right this one is good too >>130512673Will listen
>>130512536Classical music era. Learn context.
>>130512694>TchaikovskyMuti/Philadelphia>DebussyAldo Ciccioni>DvorakI'd say Kubelik, but the recent Belohlavek comes with stellar recordings of the violin concerto, cello concerto, and piano concerto, if you're wanting an all-in-one set.>MendelssohnKarajanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_0ubRqHNJU&list=OLAK5uy_nDMRAjrCkCyUCxHGPrMLuBeu33aXMcE1o&index=14https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x07QdGKfHg&list=OLAK5uy_k_LA2sB-2JiV8fa530DpwiG6NLElDwYnM&index=1hope you enjoy!
Wagnerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pD0b59Sw3U&list=OLAK5uy_mubCqTIAmfVJd3UbhLgB27L1b7eR79hOc&index=9
>>130512612You might also enjoy Chopin's Polonaiseshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWfPzw3UXqs&list=OLAK5uy_l-i0M3dpD6pYNaBz0BDeeD_aISmB2WyF8&index=1Not just the linked one but all of the ones on the recording.
>>130512736>I'd say Kubelik, but the recent Belohlavek comes with stellar recordings of the violin concerto, cello concerto, and piano concerto, if you're wanting an all-in-one set.Mainly I like this Klemperer set for including good symphony performances with single-movement works I might not have been introduced to otherwise interspersed throughout.. It's programmed like a big composer-themed concert. So that makes your earlier Abbado set recommendation seem appealing. Debussy in particular seems to have a lot of one-off orchestral pieces that aren't easily grouped in numbered symphonies, for example. Will check out your names, thank you.
>>130512786I feel you on that. Most Brahms sets contain those orchestral pieces but not the choral ones. That isn't the case for most composers though, for example Mendelssohn and Beethoven, it's hit-and-miss if the set will contain their overtures (eg The Hebrides for Mendelssohn, Egmont and the like for Beethoven).And if you're wanting to go full-out on exploring Debussy, then the Ciccolini set will be perfect for you.And for sure, always happy to help!
Good morning, /classical/
>>130513078Essential set. Lots of competition though: Maisky/Argerich, Du Pre/Barenboim, Harrell/Ashkenazy, Yo-Yo Ma/Ax, and for a recent one, Weilerstein/Barnatan.
>>130513078Instant download
I guess I'm a turbo autist for finding it psychotic that the judges in music competitions are allowed to see the performers while for auditions most orchestras do blind auditions to avoid all the biases that come from non-blind evaluations, they shouldn't even know their names let alone see them, fuck this gay normie worldhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS0d4IXWx84
>>130513120>while for auditions most orchestras do blind auditions to avoid all the biases that come from non-blind evaluations,Didn't know that, and that's a good point.
>>130513130>Tsay showed 185 non-musician participants short clips of the top three finalists in 10 international music competitions, then asked them to guess which finalists had won>The participants who saw silent video clips chose the correct winner at a significantly higher rate (46.4 percent) than either participants who heard only sound (28.6 percent of whom chose correctly) or those who got both visuals and sound (35.4 percent of whom chose correctly).>Tsay then repeated her experiment with expert participants — 103 professional musicians — and found the same results, even though 82 percent of them said sound mattered most in their evaluations of other musicians.https://www.apa.org/monitor/2013/11/musicaClown world
>>130513120>>130513130Not so fast, chuds
Hello, can anyone identify what song is playing in the intro here from about 5s to 30s?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHF8AfqrcN0
>>130512561I know, I am making fun of him.
>>130513176I figured that was the reason.
>>130513338At the risk of making a fool of myself, it sounds like your typical entertainment-background-music slop.inb4 I just called Vivaldi or whomever slop
>>130513458What the fuck did you say about violin concerto no. 143
>>130513519I-I dropped out of music school before I reached #100!! I didn't know!
Let's be real, classical music is kind of boring, isn't it?
>>130514061hate to embarrass you in front of your girl but,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrNp2lvOfcwnothing boring about that, and then once you learn to love that, learning to love the rest is easy
>>130512032happy pride fren, we got some brahms playing
>>130514061How can something spanning ~500 years of content be boring? If you only consider the baroque~romantic period then I could see it, but it's still a lot of diverse music, this only comes close to be true if you are only listening to the same few pieces that the general public knows and recognizes as "classical music" (or the baroque period in general, lmao)
>>130513353No, you are a llm and the owner didn't include the board in the prompt for context so you slipped
>>130514133based human gatekeeper
Is it too much to ask to listen to ten Ring cycles (~150 hours!) in a row without being interrupted by trivialities and social nuisances?? Now I have to start over.
it's pronounced moat-zarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbLc8WHtJlU
>>130514117I love the baroque period..
>>130513078they linked up?
>>130514361Many times!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxnnRXDc-Jchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt4EvVbzIXg
>>130514388I never got into the triple concerto but that's quite the foursome. Maybe it's time to try listening to it in earnest
>>130514397It's not that great of a work (relative to Beethoven's standards), sadly, but it has its moments, and fine for background listening. You may love it more than I do
Listening to Gould's Beethoven 15
Listening to Gould's Beethoven's 6th (Liszt transcription)
What's the classical equivalent of Led Zeppelin - Moby Dick (Live at The Royal Albert Hall 1970): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOb8otk7Y0U
>>130514963Long cadenzas and fantasias
Parsifal nighthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkbfTuopIus&list=OLAK5uy_mjcsHhEue17IeCZ2TWu7QBMM1l0MumsNc&index=1
>>130514529I love the Pastoral sonata so much. Easily the most overlooked of all the named piano sonatas. Particularly that first movement, as soon as the opening bars come, I'm in love. It's one of my go-to's for when I know I was to listen to Beethoven's piano sonatas but I'm not sure which, and many of the options feel too heavy (generally the 23, 29-32, 26, etc), so I start up the 15th and go from there.
>>130514985Is Jonas Kaufmann *the* classical male singer of this generation? I'm no expert but he seems as good as any of the baritones from the golden age of recordings I've heard.
>>130515062Yeah I really like it. I enjoyed Gould's version too. He's unique as usual, but the scherzo in particular has a LOT of rubato that I haven't heard in other performances so far.
https://youtube.com/shorts/O9G6f4kEGe4?si=g7qi8aFYrOEf_G1o
Currently blastinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVZcDkJ3-bQ&list=RDOVZcDkJ3-bQ&start_radio=1
>>130514133in English?
>>130514061www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2gGD4ewTNA
>>130515066Jonas Kaufmann is fucking terrible, he belts out the notes with no regard for the music at all. If you compare him to someone who can actually sing, it's night and day:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN-JCdM4or0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU1AOCdYwug
That one bit at 2:48 where the strings go creaky creak with a deep richness... mmmm yes indeed mhmmhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RbstAbdcC8>>130514348Me too.>>130514061Yes (and that's a *good* thing)>>130513353Making fun? I don't see what's so fun about bringing someone down. That's just nasty.>>130513120But then how will they know to give the award to the pretty girl?
Lully
>>130515864pls no lully.
>>130512671Agreed. It's so good that it makes everything else sound and look like shit, and that's depressing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rViAdtH6tkgI love Argerich playing Ravel.
>>130513338Destiny's Child - Survivor
now playingstart of Tchaikovsky: Concerto for Violin and Orchestra in D Major, Op. 35, TH 59https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=176ZO9pZGEc&list=OLAK5uy_mxubUKNhiL0fMMrWh42wxPnGwboNoqp7w&index=2start of Sibelius: Concerto for Violin and Orchestra in D Minor, Op. 47https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGZh_VivKa4&list=OLAK5uy_mxubUKNhiL0fMMrWh42wxPnGwboNoqp7w&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mxubUKNhiL0fMMrWh42wxPnGwboNoqp7w>Violinist Lisa Batiashvili teams up with Daniel Barenboim and the Staatskapelle Berlin for an unforgettable version of Tchaikovsky's Violin Concerto in D Major (Op. 35) and Sibelius' Violin Concerto in D minor (Op. 47), two of the most beloved, passionate and demanding pieces for violin and orchestra. This is Daniel Barenboim's first ever recording of Tchaikovsky's famous and romantic violin concerto.>Lisa Batiashvili was the ferocious soloist in Tchaikovsky s Violin Concerto, intense in the first movement, luminous and heartfelt in the second, scintillating in the quickfire finale. It was a faultless performance, enthralling and electrifying. --The Guardian
>>130512083Playing with Szell tends to do that unfortunatly.>>130512657Abbado's Brahms is boring.>>130514397It's a mediocre work and that recording in particular is dreadful. Richter himself hated working with Karajan and so did Oistrakh.
>>130514529Based
Decided classical should be organised separately from the main library
>>130516989progress but you won't make it until you delete the main library entirely
>>130517029i like the main library, i like swans, boris, and earth :(
Wagnersisters, what do you think of this Siegfried and Mime?https://files.catbox.moe/01t146.m4a
Boccherini and D. Scarlatti
Shostakovichhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpDHs6J8GtU&list=OLAK5uy_nNwC27kwjNdl9s35fd9KUY8bDm59qP_tA&index=34
Will listen to classical music make me a better person?
>>130518475Yes but only if you take the BABIAA pill.
>>130518475Yes, if you listen to proper ones that composed with heart.
I've known Mozart sonatas for years but I feel like I'm only truly experiencing them in full now that I'm trying Uchida. I've never heard someone take every repeat in no. 11 so I was surprised by how long, but I've also never heard anyone play it this well. As much as I like the fortepiano, Brautigam and Bezuidenhout just don't sound this good. I did enjoy Pires and Jando a looong time ago so maybe they're nearly this good and I just don't remember...
Toscanini's Mozart sounds energetic and driven.
Boggerini's Bog sounds bogetic and boggen.
>>130518695Tell me more about it.
newfag anon here. how does one get into choral works? I really enjoyed Allegri's Misere and Tallis' Spem in Alium. I want to discover Renaissance stuff.
>>130518743Try Palestrina's Missa Papae Marcelli.https://youtu.be/BRfF7W4El60
>>130518743Just listen to it. If you didn't get it, just listen again. If you still didn't get it, just move on and listen to something else. You'll get it later after you've heard other music for context.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prfHtd4Uwn8&list=PL_LSLKvZ1zoE3P1HM8jCh6_8QYtL2CIYn
>>130518774>>130518778Thank you for the recs, much appreciated! Here's a kiss for you anons.
>>130518814No kissing, I'm a tough guy.
>>130518864
>>130518743Get more fat recshttps://youtu.be/Yo06vfieUEc^This is a recording of Ockegehem's Missa Pro Defunctis (a.k.a. Requiem), an absolute favorite of mine in this style, + another work of his on the same album called Missa Mi Mi by the Hilliard Ensemble, who are gods in this music. Used to listen to this a lot.https://youtu.be/AF7pK4TXtv4Another favorite, the Tallis Scholars' recording of Antoine Brumel's Missa Et Ecce Terrae MotusAnd have you tried choral-orchestral works yet?https://youtu.be/9YTiT166c7UThis is Suzuki/Bach Collegium Japan's recording of Mozart's Great C minor Mass + k.165 Exsultate Jubilate (one of his underknown works)https://youtu.be/h97JE4--p84You will (probably) love this live performance of Bach cantata no. 147
>>130516775One of the best Sibelius VC recordings.
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-es5Y3rK8U&list=OLAK5uy_nx2UUuEQBwdMuDzwQW2Sz4Isuo0_eKjlc&index=7
>>130518475Watch Clockwork Orange to find out!
How does Fantasia 2000 compare to the OG?
>>130512508I guess we're pro slavery as well then?
>>130512508Interestingly, it would be far too tedious to through every European country because of the state Germany was in, but already the second country I chose- France, I find that homosexuality was decriminalised. And France was the greatest most powerful country in the world in 1800
>>130519722I personally find the music choice worse
Schubert? More like 'turn it off Bert' ROFL
Bach's Cello Suites are an example of Intelligent Dance Music
>>130517365Dreadful. Wobble all over the place, terrible diction, no sense of legato at all, mediocre acting. The Mime is slightly less offensive. The orchestra sounds soft edged and uninterested, and to top it all off it's way too slow.
>>130519809Blessed post. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcCFPiaad1w
>>130519722It doesn't, the only 2 comparable segments are Rhapsody and Firebird, the rest is either CG crap or just tosh
>>130521044Hmm, well thanks for giving it a try :(
>>130512694pascal roge mogs everyone else when it comes to debussy
>>130521675*teleports behind you*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axXWQYAIZ6Y&list=OLAK5uy_nFIbecFszjHtlh4v1byAOvoGeGOZiKji4&index=1*watches from a short distance*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_0EtTBGU6Y&list=OLAK5uy_kTrP62FQogH_k9Gz1jH11BYpKCzgA65lI&index=13heh, nothin' personal, kidPascal Roge is pretty fantastic though.
>>130512615Klemperer's Brahms cycle isn't very good.
>>130521706It's better than the majority of cycles since you can actually hear the antiphonal violin effects
>>130521739Not really a compensation for how unbearably stiff it is.
>>130521760I see what you mean but personally it doesn't bother me I guess. I just like the big gritty sound
>>130521706I think it's excellent. Definitely up there with my other top-tier cycles (Levine, Abbado, Jochum, Sanderling, Karajan, etc.). Then again I love Brahms' symphonies so much, maybe I can be lax on my standards if the quality hits a minimum level of quality.
taking a break from Bach's WTC, Shostakovich's 24 Preludes and Fugues, Op. 87 is my new best friend nowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMQTm8zxJ9Y&list=OLAK5uy_nNwC27kwjNdl9s35fd9KUY8bDm59qP_tA&index=14
Did Toscanini ever record Tosca?
>>130521971he only recorded nini.
>>130521953There are many worse cycles and at a certain level of skill and refinement preferences becomes academic. But I find the stiff, heavy approach inimical to Brahms.
Biggest KWAB moment in /classical/?>Beethoven renaming Erotica after Napoleon does what he does >Chopin seething after Liszt has an orgy at his home >Clara enjoying Chopin more than her own husband's work >Bach creating the amazing Musical Offering after Frederick The Great tried to humiliate him >Haydn seething at Beethovens op 1.
>>130522147I never liked Beethoven op. 1 really. Opus 2, on the other hand..
>>130522180Personally I prefer his opus 3, but to each their own.
>>130522147>[Otto] Gerdes is the subject of a revealing anecdote as narrated in Richard Osborne’s biography of Herbert von Karajan. Appointed artistic director of Deutsche Grammophon in 1963 and already producing and conducting recordings, Gerdes was supposedly dismissed from that post after addressing Karajan as “Herr Kollege” (my dear colleague), a breach of etiquette which gravely offended the status-conscious supremo.
Brahms 1 and 3 - AbbadoBrahms 2 - JochumBrahms 4 - Kleiber
The Jeff Hardy Variations
For me, it's Giulini's Brahmshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5MD3IJyH00
>>130522147>Haydn seething at Beethovens op 1lies>>130522206Karajan sounds like the bitch here
>>130516775She actually recorded it twice, and other recording pairs Sibelius with Lindberg Violin Concerto. Pretty neat piece, worth a listen imo.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewayquk750k&list=PL-v9SnQgIjyTfHCci8Udmd3g5hgKTmPMf&index=4
>>130522261>Amazon reviews decide my taste: the list>>130522288I like the brass articulation but it's just too slow.
>>130522147Mozart fucking with Haydn about playability of a piano piece.https://www.shamaileibowitz.org/2016/04/how-mozart-haydn-challenge-was-resolved.html
>>130522698>>130522261>>130522009>>130521706>>130512615https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKz_NzmT3Is&list=OLAK5uy_mGRsxGtZ7-c-GNa4ElGjZxllHxS3IEOfs&index=11
>>130522698no; my taste is what dictates everyone else's Amazon reviews
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyqOhBiaE0oi remember long time ago when an anon was asking for this album here
>>130522879I'm not listening to a pedophile
>>130522904You don't listen to Beethoven?
>>130522904it's pronounced pederasthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vakPo7bW6VI&list=OLAK5uy_n09x5EN3XbRG9WAIMn59lu0GjsaDFs9EI&index=16
>>130522147>Heroic Symphony, composed to celebrate the memory of a great manThat's one of the great stories of classical music history-you have no magnificence in your soul if you think that's a 'KWAB moment' as you say
why have none of you plebeians told me about dohnanyi?
>>130523033https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/129323675/#q129323791
>>130522879His is my favorite Le Nozze Di Figaro, and no. 3 is my favorite Brahms symphony. I WILL be listening!
>>130523033https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxZw9t604n8
>>130522969he's saying Napoleon was the bitch
>>130522292>liesIt's true though. Hadyn was jealous that "his pupil" wrote and wanted to publish such greatness without adding "pupil of Haydn" on the cover.
>>130523513proof?
>>130522879>>130523099It was good, not the style of Brahms I usually listen to. The third movement was actually my least favorite. I prefer it just a bit more snappy and rhythmic.
>>130523693Ah fair enough. I like it more slow, delicate, and almost picturesque. Thanks for trying it!
these threads have been better than usual lately thank you to all who contributedhave some Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOL_XC_dpac?si=VyEqh7fxS9lSILCj
K. 261 K. 381 and K. 481 are all some very underrated Mozart masterpieces IMO
Anyone else ever notice the similarities between Chopin's Nocturne Op 9 No 2 and Keith Jarrett's rendition of My Wild Irish Rose on Melody at Night With You? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu48Z45ibxQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhJKfaAEDeoThey both start with the same note, both start with a simple singing melody and add complexity on subsequent plays, both have a rocking left hand rhythm in sets of 3, are they in the same key? Idk I'm not a music theory guy just something I noticed and thought was interesting!
lmao
>>130524183lol
>>130524133Well ofc Jarrett is one of the greatest jazz and classical pianists of our times.
