The great debate
>>130564040Both mogged by pic related
>>130564040>>130564065a challenger appears
>>130564040Mellon Collie is just bloated. If you cut it down to the length of Siamese Dream by only keeping the good parts, then it'd be slightly better, but as it stands it's a worse album because of all the filler.
>>130564107Agreed. SD is tighter and has no filler. Listening to MCIS all the way through is a slog, although its high points are fantastic.
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>>130564107I say this on here all the time and get called a pleb lmao
>>130564040Siamese Dream by a hair
SPACEBOY, THEY'LL KILL MEBEFORE I'M DEAD AND GONE
siamese >> gish >>>>>> mellon
Mellon Collie if you cut out Here is No Why, Zero, To Forgive, Love, Cupid de Locke, Take Me Down, Tales of a Scorched Earth, We Only Come Out at Night, Beautiful, By Starlight, Farewell and Goodnight, Lily
>>130564040both of them sound like crap desu
>>130564040Nothing else matters except "1979". So Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness wins.
>>130564040Siamese Dream is the superior albumMellon Collie is the superior double album
>>130564107nah, its a journey and evokes different emotions. to strip it down like your dumbass suggests, would erode its emotional foundation
Gish is better than both
>>130564107The title track piano instrumental is so pretentious and gay.
>>130566051Well it's a concept album and the concept is being pretentious. "Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness"you just don't get it
>>130566059No I get it, it's still just really gay.I've written better piano instrumentals sitting on the shitter, anon. 1979 is the only good song on this album.
>>130566082sure you habe ranjeesh. fucking embarrassing
>>130566306Sorry I took so long to reply again anon, I was taking a shit.I wrote another piece on the throne though, it is entitled, "Your Mother Feeds Me Strawberries While Fanning Me With Palm Leaves"
>>130564040Apples & Oranges. Both are amazing for different reasons. Mellon Collie might be the greatest album of the 90’s…..might be.
>>130564040mellon has the better album cover
Siamese >>> Adore > Gish >>> Mellon
it's not "who was better... Corgan or Cobain?" it's "who was better... Corgan or Mozart?"put him up against somebody in his weight class
>>130566375lol Mellon Collie is not the greatest album of the 90s. That is ridiculous. If by "might be" you mean "somewhere in the top 20 but not in the top 5-10" I'll give you that. But it is nowhere near the No. 1 spot.
>>130567574It's in the discussion. It easily clears 90 percent of rock albums ever made.
>>130567545>it's "who was better... Corgan or Mozart?">put him up against somebody in his weight classlol Fuck off! Mozart is arguably the most naturally gifted and influential composer who has ever lived. Mozart inarguably rests among the Top 3 Greats of the world's musical canon. Billy fucking Corgan is not anywhere near that caliber lolLet's just wait and see if Corgan's oeuvre is studied, routinely performed, and universally lauded 100 years from now, let alone 234 years. Literally, every single major composer who followed Mozart regarded him as the prime example of absolute musical perfection and sourced him as a major influence on their work. Not even Beethoven or Bach had that kind of influence on the population of time tested immortals who followed them well into the 20th Century, and beyond. And this remains true even when considering the fact that Beethoven near singlehandedly spawned the foundational zeitgeist of all modern music makers. (i.e. - The composer is first and foremost an independent artist who has has an obligation to serve no one with their work, save for themselves. And the primary motive of their work is - above all else - the expression of their subjective emotions and experience of the world. And the composer is permitted to experiment to whatever lengths necessary in order to meet this goal, regardless of the opinions of the public or any claimed authority.)
>>130567574post your top 20 faggot
>>130567626I agree that is probably true, but there is some stiff fucking competition when regarding Mellon Collie's placement being anywhere near the top spots, especially if you want to extend the scope of the debate to "all rock albums ever made."
>>130567705Well, because you called me a faggot for simply disagreeing with your sensitive soul, you can go fuck yourself. Honestly, I'm not even sure Mellon Collie is objectively better than Siamese Dream, hence this thread and the old debate continued. Mellon Collie is a great achievement and definitely a great album. But I don't think it's perfect. I never felt like it justified it's length. On the other hand, Siamese Dream certainly does justify it's length.
>>130567755Siamese Dream doesn't waste one second
>>130564323pleb
>>130567772Exactly. Every song is really, really good. It is just as demonstrative of Corgan's genius as is Mellon Collie. Not a single bar is wasted on that record. I can't say the same about Mellon Collie. Therefore, whatever placement a SP album may have on the "Best of all Rock" or "Top Ten of the 90s" or whatever, Siamese Dream is automatically placed ahead of Mellon Collie, as beautiful as Mellon Collie may be in segments or when considered as a whole.
>>130564040The guitar solo on Soma is better than everything on Mellon Coolie
>>130567697>The composer is first and foremost an independent artist who has has an obligation to serve no one with their work, save for themselvesBeethoven had to shop around his work to royal patrons and publishers, what do you mean. A composer who writes just for himself would mean you wouldn't even know about his works.
>>130567697too pure for this world anon. >>130568082the real comparison is between smashing pumpkins and ride since billy loves to go on podcasts telling zoomers he invented alternative wall of sound… well here’s ride giving a performance 100x better than anything SP has ever done all the way back in ‘90… https://youtu.be/Xy44DgD_F6gimagine darcy trying to match that instrumentation lol.
>>130568118your shitty bongbands cant rock for shit, nigel. leave it to the amerigolems
>>130568118come on man. only the drummer stands out but chamberlin blows him out of the fucking water. they got not chance. at all. wtf were you thinking lol
>>130568118shoegaze is laughable compared to siamese dream. it's not layered but bloated with effects. the better comparison would be built to spill years later
