A better Post-Hardcore album doesn't exist, I dare you to post a better one, you won't, you'll fail.
>>1305883411. That's an EP2. It's not Full Collapse
>>130588444>That's an EPSematics, who cares?>Full CollapseNot nearly as good, too soft for a Post-Hardcore album, not saying it isn't. It just doesn't have nearly the same energy. It's good but even something like Thrice's The Artist In The Ambulance is far better.
Lynx-These Are Not Fall Colors from 1994. It’s my favourite album of all time. I’d also through In Yank Crimes by drive like jehu
>>130588502I love Thrice but you're completely wrong. I do prefer War All the Time but FC completely changed the fucking game.
>>130588341I win.
>>130588341For me it's this.
>>130589224Thursday was always boring. I think I've seen him at least two times live with whatever pickup band he is touring with. I don't know what you mean that he changed the game.
>>130589482Thursday is a band and not a guy but they set the blueprint for modern post-hardcore. Pretty much every band from that time was copying Full Collapse.
Meant to reply to >>130589608
Post-hardcore is a misnomer because hardcore still lives. Also all "post"-hardcore sucks.
>>130590013Nah. You do.
L.S. Dunes is Anthony Green's best work. That being said, pic related is the better overall album. Special shoutout to Downtown Battle Mountain II.
plebs all of you
>>130591255>DRIVE LIKE A JEWwhat did he mean by this?
>>130591151>L.S. Dunes They're good but how is this better than those first two Circa albums?
>>130591255>it's old therefore it's le good
>>130588341
>>130588341I never liked that bandplenty better albums exist
>>130592769It's not even the best Matchbook album
>>130588444>Full CollapseHell yeah, but the live album is much better.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi8aonKtYFs>>130588502>Thrice's The Artist In The Ambulance is far better.Fuck no.>>130589224>I do prefer War All the TimeSame.>>130589482I came here to post this.
>>130589979Idk I'm pretty sure a guy wrote everything and they broke up because he wouldn't let the others really contribute anything
>>130591255Correct answer
>>130588341So weird to me that this pop punk emo stuff for spergs is considered "post-hardcore". In my mind post-hardcore is fugazi, unwound, at the drive in, and drive like jehu.
>>130594603That's not true at all. Where are you getting this information? Geoff writes the lyrics and the vocal melodies but the band all chip in. They broke up because they'd been touring nonstop for like 15 years and we're ready to murder each other. Geoff also developed a heroin somewhere in there. They've been back together for a bit now.
>>130588341This shit sucks and is gay. Any post-hardcore is better.
>>130595347Name some then, nigga
>>130595322My friend who knows more about this genre of bands told me like 13 years ago while we were seeing them live.
>>130595397Your friend must have been mistaken.
>>130589336*blocks your path*
>>130591255self titled is better>>130589608am I the only one who didn't like Thursday or Taking Back Sunday even when they were popular?
>>130596002Probably. They were both huge.
>>130596093I just thought they were whiny. if I'm gonna listen to post-hardcore I'd rather bump Coalesce or Botch who are way better.
>>130596128Aren't they both metalcore?
The Artist in the Ambulance mogs anything by Thursday, so much so, that it makes their lps look like untalented shlock. Now talking about PHC, by far, the top 2 best post-hardcore albums of all-time (coincidentally also the best album ever made) are : The Devil and God Are Raging Inside Me (+ it's twin) Three Cheers For Sweet Revenge Contrarians with dumb opinions may say they disagree, but nobody takes them seriously.
for early shit it's The Shape of Punk to Comefor scenecore it's either >>130589336 or Alexisonfire debut
>>130596247I love Thrice but no. Thursday are foundational to the genre. And literally no one thinks Three Cheers is an all timer. You got at least one thing right with TDAG though.
>>130595692Or it's just my memory and it was a different band
>>130596002I liked taking back sunday. The two vocalist feud gimmick got me good
>>130596247TDAG and Three Cheers are not phxc dork they're third wave emo pop punk stuff
>>130596313It's not pop punk at all
>>130596330Closer to it than post-hardcore. Third wave emo, whatever you wanna call it
>>130596350Emo would suffice. This wave shit is stupid. It's not very post-hardcore. It has moments but they didn't really go for that until Daisy.
>>130596268>literally no one Hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) do, I know several, including myself
>>130596434They're wrong and it's not even a post-hardcore album.
>>130596389Post hardcore is so ill defined. Dance gavin dance is considered post hardcore and so is circa survive and so is alexisonfire and so is falling in reverse and so is glassjaw and thursday but do any of these bands sound anything like one another at all whatsoever?
>>130596470It's like screamo. You have to use other people's. But post-hardcore needs to retain some type of post-hardcore edge or it's something else. DGD might be melodic post-hardcore but they suck ass. Circa is like that except actually somewhat good. Alexisonfire is skramz/post-harcore/scenecore. Glassjaw and Thursday I would not object to a post-hardcore labeling. FIR is glam rock, and also dogshit
>>130596470All of these genres are ill-defined. They're kinda vague guidelines just to help everyone know what we're talking about
>>130596488Circa has no screaming, dgd makes like a weird r&b with shred guitar and then screaming for no fucking reason that ruins the music. Neither band are power chord retards which is what actual hardcore punk is and basically have zero influence from hardcore punk. Glassjaw is basically like progressive emo deftones, thursday sounds the most like 90s emo with a few yells here or there and forgettable mediocre singing, fir is trying to be like hair bands mixed with metalcore and tuned to drop c and basically started the scene kid phenomenon. I picture a scene kid with the edgly lighter meme but it says half of me is on extasy watching 3oh!3 and skrillix and the other half is twisted effffin emo rawr
>>130596751>Neither band are power chord retards which is what actual hardcore punk isExactly... that's why it's POST-hardcore. It's what came after in response to being sick of the tard-tier power chords.
>>130596828Seems to me it's*supposed* to have screaming. The one thing that they abandoned 100% is blues conventions and over reliance on the pentatonic typical I IV V. Honestly it has as much or more influence from grunge and new wave. There is more smiths and nirvana in the majority of it than black flag. Especially the soft loud soft loud from nirvana/pixies. Honestly pop punk is post hardcore punk where people already got tired of the shitty lack of melody and inability to write a hook.
>>130596268Dude, TCFSR is by far the best selling phxc album (and yes it is one, just not "pure phxc") sites like RYM/aoty have a knack for making irl virtually irrelevant albums seem like "larger than life" records. Spiderland has sold well below 100k copies by now, Wrong around 100k, Relationship of Command way less than 0.5m, no Unwound album sold even 50k copies, meanwhile, TCFSR sold over 4m copies. To put this in perspective, if you combined the sales of the entire discographies of those 4 bands you still wouldn't reach even 30% of the sales TCFSR alone had. Unlike what rym may suggest, WAY more people consider TCFSR the best phxc ,and even all timer, album, than all 4 put together, I'd put the estimate at around 3m to 5m.
>>130596960I don't give a fuck about album sales or RYM and I suggest you take your ass back over there if you think their opinion means anything. Three Cheers isn't and will never be a post-hardcore album. The only vaguely post-hardcore album they had was their first one. It stops there. Three Cheers is emo and pop punk. Fine album. I like them just fine but they have no place here. Your sales stats are fucking bizarre though. Who brings that up when discussing music?
>>130597304Wikipedia, multiple music critics, and myself, all agree TCFSR is post-hardcore, whether or not you agree is completely irrelevant, that's just your opinion. I brought up rym because it is the largest music discussion platform on the internet, and I mentioned sales because that's the only measure, other than subjective taste. When someone says "no one blah blah blah..." bringing up sales IS EXACTLY what one should do, who the fuck was/is buying all those records if "no one..." anything ?.
>>130588341gay ass vocals
>>130592291indeed, specially with post-hardcore, with how many zoomers think Scene mallcore stuff can even compete
>>130597767I'm a millennial, and a lot of "mallcore" beats anything Drive Like Jehu ever recorded, Glassjaw, Finch, Discovering The Waterfront, even The Used... are all better.
>>130597797Many are saying this
>>130597741Those retards can agree all they want to. Wouldn't be the first time critics were wrong. That album is straight up emo/pop punk all the way through.
It is funny how people who like 2000s (onwards) Post-Hardcore awill fight here with the 90s fans of Post-Hardcore.Better Post-hardcore than Saosin though;>Drive Like Jehu - Yank Crime Been posted several times but for a reason insane production and musicianship>Thursday - Full CollapseSome people try to minimize this album's impact and its qualities, I think that is dishonest, this is a master-piece many bands which were influenced by it could not match, it still retains 90s song-writting and through it makes some absolute master-pieces like Paris In Flames, very few Post-Hardcore bands that were inspired by this album are able to replicate this album's intricate guitarwork, melodies and just sheer raw emotional impact, Geoff's lyricism are not only best in the genre of Hardcore but maybe just Rock period.>Circa Survive - JuturnaThe most unique Post-Hardcore project, mixing Progressive and Alt.Rock elements with Post-Hardcore and creating soundscapes that cannot be compared to any other existing band, truly one of a kind.And I used to think TCFR was a Post-Hardcore album, but it's not, but it's not really Pop-Punk either, it's more like a Melodic Hardcore album more than anything else.
>>130596247Thrice is excellent, I don't think they are very comparable to Thursday, they developed and went into different directions, Thursday stayed a Post-Hardcore band while Thrice decided to become a Muse/Radiohead band with some Hardcore influences. While they were Hardcore their music had a lot of Alt.Metal/Metalcore influences something Thursday never really took from. I still think Thursday just made far better music than Thrice, Artist In Ambulance is an excellent album, is it better than Thursday at their best? Absolutely not.>>130596960/v/ way to discuss music "my sales are bigger than urs!" This is how a child talks about music and why something is better, you don't have the vocabulary to discuss musical elements so you use something simple like sale statistics.>>130597741If you have to cite others as to why something is a certain genre maybe you just don't know what the genre is, listen for yourself and see that it just doesn't have Post-Hardcore in it.
>>130588341>no>>130588444poser trash >>130589482garbo >>130591151lol>>130591255the first good album in this thread
>>130592769>cringe >>130595993both are good>>130596085get the fuck out of here
>>130597767>>130597797>>130597939Seriously? I think it's entirely subjective. I'm a Zoomer and I'd put Drive Like Jehu above all of them. The Fall Of Troy come closet to me as id probably put the above Unwound. No one can speak for everyone. Also I think the biggest problem is that we have two separate genres sharing the same name.
the fall of troy > dance gavin dance > rest
>>130598408I think most people are just aggravated because it's hard to have a discussion without Drive Like Jehu autists coming in and saying they're the be all end all. I like them just fine. I like just about all the bands that have been posted in this thread. The superiority complex DLJ fans come in with is obnoxious.
>>130588341Literally every single Unwound album, even their s/t
