prog should be up there with Classical and Jazz as high genres
>>130633155Prog is often specific to a specific production and the band who wrote the songs. Classical and Jazz songs can often be performed a hundred different ways in different settings.
>>130633155Prog is sexless as fuck
>>130633155prog fans are already sexless and annoying enough
>>130633155Don't forget about Tech Death Metal!
>>130633185So is Jazz and Classical
>>130633155Classical isn't a genre.>>130633248Wrong.
>>130633155is jazz a high genre now?
>>130633155>>130633239>>130633429Classical is not a genre and jazz, the rest of popular genres are not "high" genres a.k.a. serious music a.k.a. art music a.k.a. classical music.
>>130633155This is a low quality bait/falseflag thread and OP will probably use this as an example of "delusional prog fans" in the future.
>>130633155lol
No.
>>130633875you sound delusional
>>130633184So what you're saying is OP is a faggot
>>130633155It isAnd that album has in fact Jazz (Fusion)
>>130635109it has even less jazz elements than bjork or stevie wonder, get a grip
>>130635239It opens up with a jazz fusion song lol
>>130635308i've heard the album retard, learn how to read
>>130633248Miles Davis was famous for his sex appeal and loads of classical fans call Liszt dreamy and shit, you are mad out of touch lil pup
>>130638522Liszt does look like an indie rock frontman
>>130635109Jazz fusion doesn't have prestige among elitists, it needs to be something like progressive big band, post-bop or something along those lines. Maybe a band like Motorpsycho would count.
>>130638588big band fucking sucks dude sounds like fucking super mario bros 2 musici take a shit on big band, i take a shit on ragtime, i take a shit on bebop in fact i take a shit on all brass trumpets in existance shut the fuck up and learn to play piano , a real instrument
>>130633155>prog should be up there with Classical and JazzWhy? So-called "classical" music (we all know it's not technically a genre, relax autists) is about unique forms and structures (rondos, fugues, sonatas, polonaise, rhapsodies, concertos, obviously nocturnes and preludes and symphonies, etc) and using these forms to manipulate motifs and such, and almost all jazz is about improvisation and interplay and balancing individual freedom with call-and-response communications. Prog isn't good at any of this. It's mostly riffs, even during their 20-minute so-called "epics". That makes it part of the pop/rock paradigm, not the classical/jazz idioms.
I like doowop
>130638628
>>130638633Can Yngwie claim classical heritage? He is classically trained.https://youtu.be/Mylvwhy63bk?si=PVwWXVW5v_y78oUI&t=1560
>>130638645It unironically has more in common with classical and jazz than prog
>>130638660IMO yes he counts. You can hear real classical ideas and tonalities in his playing. Whereas for example, symphonic black metal or symphonic prog rock is just rock riffs and rock rhythms but they might have violin and keys or whatever the fuck.
>>130638660Yes. Anyone who says no is retarded. Some Prog Rockers are classically trained too or were Jazzists. But don't tell newfags they get triggered.
>>130638687you dont listen to classical or jazz so no one cares what you think
>>130638693>Rick Wakeman (Yes)>Studied piano formally.>Attended the Royal College of Music.>Deeply influenced by classical composers.
>>130638738good for him. too bad you still don't listen to classical or jazz.
>>130638751currently listening to Nocturne in E-flat Major but ok
>>130638760No you're not little timmy.
>>130633155Based but this is going to trigger a lot of people.
>>130638633What about Gentle Giant? They were by far the most sophisticated and classically-oriented (almost every member of the band studied classical music) prog band in terms of harmony, rhythm, counterpoint, etc. but all their songs are verse-chorus-verse-chorus and 4 minutes long
>>130633185not everything needs to have sex appeal. maybe you should grow up
>>130638687>>130638760no one takes you seriously because you unironically post hayley williams reaction images
this is a very mentally ill "discussion". almost /pol/-tier retardation. why even bother writing the reply if you're just planning to rub shit all over your face immediately?
>>130639951Sexist.
Prog Rock is good.https://youtu.be/Gx-0BmYg5Z8?si=0Ecu-enO5E2KLLxV&t=3015
>>130638645good taste>>130638660no, he's an embarrassment for classical fans
>>130640810>no, he's an embarrassment for classical fanspshhh lmao ok dude. Play us a tune bro lets see your skill level.
>>130633155Yes.
>>130633248>>130638522Not to mention classical composers like Scriabin and R. Strauss literally wrote music *about* sex. And I've heard jazz being described as this primal, sexual energy thing countless times.>>130638660>>130638687>>130638738"Classically trained" isn't the same as making actual classical music. Neoclassical metal isn't classical, it's just metal inspired by classical music. Classical music isn't defined by whatever education you have or wanky playing and an orchestra acting as filler in the background. It's defined by the way the music functions and how its written, performed and stored. Which is much different from pop(ular) music and folk.>>130638681>classical ideas and tonalitiesWhat are these again?>>130640933Fawning over Malmsteen is like jazzfags fawning over Collier. Nobody wants this crap. Not very appealing stuff.
>>130633155I say classical and jazz should be down there with the rest of the genres.
>>130638738So did Elton John, but his music is not more complicated than Paul McCartney's, who can't read sheet music.
>>130633155Even the best prog is only shitty jazz.
>>130643283Yeah but he was a fag so makes sense >omg it hurty my fingies and i want to use them to spread my asshole to take cockhe unironically said this on an interview
>>130643648>he unironically said this on an interviewbased
>>130643648Wild ass nigga
>>130640442>Flower Kings Garden of DreamsBased Hayley poster
>>130638660I remember a post somewhere about a guy who went to a music classroom in Japan and they had portraits hung up on the wall: Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, and Malmsteen
>>130643829Based he knows whats gud
It's all just nerd music
>>130633155It's a little too saturated with corny stuff that's just ok.
>>130639909>What about another riff bandlol
>>130643648uhhhhh based???
well arguing about this stupid shit is at least more in the spirit of classic internet usage than shit spamming the latest gooner bait bitch. I guess it's an improvement?
>>130633155kek This album is a perfect example of why it never will be.>The 2nd half of Moon child >Trying to do jazz improv >Just slop
Fuck no. Hilarious bait take, OP, made me respond
>>130640442tacky, corny clown music
>>130643899Aphex Twin fucking sucks dude its ambient music at most. He sucks at coming up with melody literally stfu and go away. I dont give a fuck if its /mu/core so it's Shizoid album from King Crimson anyway it is also /mu/core. Just get the fuck out that guys a hack. zero fucking musical educaiton he is a "self-taught" pleb. These fags need to go to school "hurr durr but im too old for school it would be humilliating" private tutor, hire a private pianist to help you learn.
>>130648196sounds more like medieval fantasy protagonist music and it's good, melody is good so the song is good. All that matters is melody if you fail at this you fail at music.
>>130639909They didn't write concertos/sonatas/etc. and they didn't improvise, that should answer your question.
>>130648233tacky, corny clown opinion
>>130639909Gentle Giant is just Rock based on Medieval Music... It's good but I wouldn't say its "classical". I mean I guess if you consider medieval music as classical which it technically is but usually when people think about classical it is slightly more in the future. Renaissance and so on. Baroque, Romantic, blah bah, etc.
>>130633155Truth Nvke
>>130638560literally looks like this dude:https://youtube.com/watch?v=-QpTic2BPcA
>>130640442this isn't rock
>>130650001"literally" no he doesn't
>>130640199>i dont have anything smart to say but if i act smug i win!
>>130638738>ywn https://youtu.be/yloSElRUbrY
>>130638738https://youtu.be/zppfjeculUs?t=1768
>>130638628jazz fusion is BY FAR the one jazz subgenre best associated with nintendo and vidya music and im sincerely impressed there are retards out there who still don't know that lmao
>>130650036yep, that's your post in a nutshell
>>130633155Facts.
>>130650438>>130650426based, like when rich people are generous and let poorfags with talent to expand their knowledge like DaVinci getting sponsored by the Medici
>>130633248You can definitely fuck to jazzy music. Half of it sounds like shit though
>>130650468>OOGA BOOGA KILL WHITEY BOOGA
>>130639969
>>130639909>almost every member of the band studied classical musicHow many times does it need to be repeated that what you study doesn't determine whether you make classical or not? Neither does harmony, rhythm, counterpoint, etc. by the way.
>>130633155songs that don't have melodies SUCK
>>130654583True, that's why prog sucks. Classical and jazz have most of the all-timer melodies in their repertoire.
>>130651516Its a huge reason why we're so culturally depraved now. Not only did the rich become demographically replaced and cease to patronize, they now aspire to be the lowlifes themselves.
>>130654872kek beat me to it
>>130633248Skill issue. I've fucked to Alexander Scriabin and Larry Young before, turns out you can bang to interesting music if your bitch isn't a stunted disney adult
>>130654583True thats why Prog Rocks
>>130650454>Just Mario Kart and other Japanese Racing GamesThats all you got?
>>130656274No.
>130652009
>>130653961progfags and by extension many metalheads can only understand music history/theory through extremely pedantic and autistic lenses, as if it works exactly like dna inheritance, as that's an analytical concept they can wrap their heads around, unlike artistic concepts. they also overwhelmingly dont listen to classical in any personal or meaningful way, so they like it when their rock/metal bands list a classical composer influence so they can claim second-hand prestige by proxy.
>>130633248alice sara ott and esperanza spalding are way hotter than any prog goblina i've seen
>>130647631100%that song single-handedly made most prog listeners swear off improvised music in general yet they still think they can put on airs discussing the genres that pioneered proper improv KEK. you cant make this shit up.
>>130633155>high genresI think you mean high Art. "High genres" should refer to psychedelic rock and whatever else. Maybe proggers would be taken a bit more seriously if they could figure out how to use basic terms.
>>130643844that would be true had malmsteen been replaced with bartok
>>130633248So are*
>>130656772Dangerously based.
>write cheesy as fuck songs>add in lots of boring wankThats 90% of prog.King Crimson are one of the exceptions but most of it is autist baiting trash
Prog Rock is fine and I'm tried of pretending it is nothttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rCq374J8Wc
>>130656904>Prog Rock is fine and I'm tried of pretending it is notenjoy your Final Fantasy 5 music:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH-Pddk-_4whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdmWN8YSVF0
>>130656975Jokes on you I like this and FF5 is the best FF gameplay wise because of the job class system.And yes everyone already knows that Nobuo Uematsu the composer got inspired by Prog. Uematsu has repeatedly cited bands such as:Emerson, Lake & PalmerYesGenesisKing Crimsonas influences on his writing style over the years.
>>130657011>has intimate knowledge of video game music>likes progDo you struggle to pick on other people's emotions via visual cues? I'm betting you do
>>130657011>i bet you like final fantasy>JOKES ON YOU I LOVE FINAL FANTASY
>>130656975>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdmWN8YSVF01:38Honestly, those progressions are pretty good I need to steal those ideas and re-arrange them so I don't get copyrighted. This gives me ideas for melody.I kneel.
>>130657090You're dealing with an autistic gentleman, go easy
>>130657139cool action figure did you mom buy it for you
>>130657090top kek
>>130657139>caring about chord progressionsNothing could be more superficial and trivial
>>130657164post music you have madenow
>>130657179go fuck your mother
>>130657208yeah I knew you had nothing lelget fuckedyou are here to "not be cringe" take no risks and therfore you have no creativity
>>130657220ntago fuck your mother
>>130657179You'd wouldn't like it. Your austist brain would find the chord progressions to "simple", and that's the totality of art to fucks like you: Arbitrary and easily categorizable nothingness that soothes your defective brain in lieu of processing human emotions like a normal personGo ask ChatGPT to write some interesting chord progressions for you, you'd fucking it.
>>130657179>I DONT LIKE THE WORDS YOURE SAYING POST YOUR MUSIC SO I CAN TELL YOU ITS SHITcringe
>>130657262I think you can't play.
The best "progressive" acts are the ones who squeeze as much as possible out of the established format of popular music, instead of sodomizing the already tortured corpse of classical.Although I wonder if true classical/rock fusion really exists. Imagine a fully fledged sonata for standard rock instruments with generic power chord harmony and a blues riff treated with motivic development
>>130657401>The best "progressive" acts are the ones who squeeze as much as possible out of the established format of popular musicCould you post some examples of who fits this bill?(asking in a sincerely curious way)
>>130657401blues suck and dont go together with classical tbqh extremely overrated genre some blackie chan will get triggered because i said this but i dont care i am right they are wrong>hurr durr but its muh genre muh dikyeah and its not that special we all can agree nothing mogs classical its only limitaiton is acoustic instruments in a world were synths exist and can aggrandize music a fuck load
>>130657164>>130657262Chord progressions are literally the architecture of music. Just because they're easily categorizable doesn't mean they're trivial, a lot of facets of art are. Also, I really love when self-hating autists on the internet vomit out thoughts that would never occur a non-autist to prove how much better they are than all the other autists
>>130657497>Chord progressions are literally the architecture of musicBricks are the building blocks of literal architecture but they're absolutely trivial
>>130657497Let him get mad. He doesn't produce music who cares he just wants (You)s. His musician career has been frustrated. Yeah Prog aint as great as Jazz or Classical but who cares it's fun.
>but who cares(You).
>>130657497it's figuratively, not literally, you mindless chimp
>>130657458your victimhood is showing a tad
>>130657542>>130657520
>>130657516>>130657516>Yeah Prog aint as great as Jazz or Classical but who cares it's fun.If you think you can rank something as broad as the most general genres of music, you're completely full of shit. As if the cliches of one modality are inherently superior to another. The logical follow through being that simply composing in that modality in the most prosaic way possible is better than composing in the less superior modality with maximum creativity. That's the definition of superficiality
>>130633155as long as the fans remain uppity unfuckable doofuses it will never happen. prog dorks (the musicians and the fans) know more about anime lore than something as basic as hard bop vs post bop or romanticism vs modernism. theyre too ignorant and too shallow to ever be taken seriously.
>>130657601Funny, I've always thought of Prog as the anime of music.Supposedly complex and thematically heady but truthfully schmaltzy and puerile, with a handful of exceptions
>>130657580Classical sounds better than Prog and Prog just sounds fun, its capable of entretaining me. But it doesnt "lift the soul". Jazz makes me groove, dance but its not beautiful the tradition classical fags have of classical improv is way more beautiful than negro jazz. When it comes to beauty it is solved classical music mapped beauty to near perfection. Like i said its only limit is they are still using wood. Synths and Electrical Instruments with their extreme modern modularity can be pushed a lot and have a lot of potential. Classicfags that explore all the electric side of music often end up becoming great and highly respected modern composers.
Semi-relevant story time: I once met this fat neckbeard who insisted that the band Thank You Scientist was some cutting edge jazz group that was pushing harmonic and textural boundaries that no contemporary jazz musician could do. I listened to an album or two of theirs later on and it was some incredibly bland, corny, cheesy mishmash of shit. Some jazzy melodies, sure, but played with incredibly basic rock rhythms/structures/voicings/etc. I asked the guy if he ever heard of major contemporary jazz individuals like Brad Mehldau, John Zorn or Marshall Allen. He hadn't. Didn't even know who Max Roach was. Despite knowing next to nothing about the genre, he had such immensely arrogant overconfidence in worshipping those unmodulated and un-improvised seventh chords.
>>130657601Don't know if they count as prog but this description fits like half of the King Gizzard fans I've met.
>>1306577187th chord rotations are the easiest way to make you seem advanced at music because they sound beautiful even tho its easy to get them down in a week or less of practice.
>>130657678>its not beautiful the tradition classical fags have of classical improv is way more beautiful than negro jazz. When it comes to beauty it is solved classical music mapped beauty to near perfection.You're confusing your own melodic tastes for some objective measure of "beauty"You just outright stated that you think music is a process to be "solved" and "mapped" like its a fucking rubiks cube. An absurd stance that if followed through would lead to the complete embrace of AI as the most perfect composer
Reminder the best prog album is this. And prog fags seethe at the thought cause they can't accept that Floyd is prog. And weren't classical or jazz influenced (maybe except Richard Wright)
>>130657718>Thank You Scientistyou literally could not imagine a more reddit band name.
>>130657798No m8, progs better when's its 10mins of time signature wank interspersed with Michael Bolton tier songwriting
>>130657798Floyd is psychedelic not prog (its prog)but i dont find it that amazing no more, sorry. I prefer Genesis or Yes or even Magma and The Flower Kangz
>>130657739King Gizzard are the most reddit thing in existence
>>130657438>Could you post some examples of who fits this bill?The example that immediately comes to mind is Cardiacs, their songs essentially abuse the discreteness and spontaneity of structural elements in popular music like choruses and bridges to their fullest extent, they're treated like scenes or even characters in a film, introduced with seemingly no relation (or even in stark opposition) to each other but are deeply rooted in one unified harmonic world. They almost never resemble a linear sequence of events but rather unfold and reveal more of themselves as they proceed. Tim Smith taught himself music theory by transcribing the entirety of Quadrophenia on paper as a small child and may very well be the only real pop/rock composer.
>>130657875true.
>>130657678>HOW DO YOU DO FELLOW HIGH GENRE LOVERS
prog rock peaked here to be honesthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUo611chkQQ
>>130657986based and that drummer dude looks like Conan The Barbarian
>>130657986>christian vander memepretty good, needs more hitler and trane worship though
>>130657956I just wanted to cover as much as possible without going into detail or boring people, I don't think I ever used "impenetrable" terminology intentionally but I guess some of what I said was redundant
>>130657999maybe he can hide a semi-transparent swastika tattoo on the hand driving the car. I would put it on his brow but his hair covers his brow.
>>130657601>hard bop vs post bopthats easy, everything to them that isnt swing or stride is jazz fusion, kek>romanticism vs modernismgenerous to assume they've ever encountered these terms
>>130657875>>130657956>>130658007Ignore them what you said was comprehensible , it just wasnt a shitpost which confuses some postersCardiacs are actually a band i've struggled to enjoy in the past, but want to get into just because I fit the profile of the average cardiacs fan. A bit of a while whale for me i suppose. I've only ever given them and some of Smiths solo work a cursory listen desu
>>130658080Who the hell doesn't know about Romanticism. I don't even listen to classical that much and I know about the Romantic period.
>>130657986Didier Lockwood was only 19 here, absolutely insane.
>>130658213Growing up in the music conservatory will make you git gud early
>>130657833But of course. Are you saying that's what makes them prog?
>>130657875>>130658096What's your favorite cardiacs album. I've always found song to God kinda overrated. For me on land and in the sea and the whole world window are their peak. Pretty consistent discog also
