>the key to being a good writer is saying what you need to say in the least amount of words possible>the key to being a good director is showing not telling with minimal edits or visual noise>the key to being a good music writer is.... to write long songs that overstay their welcome with pointless key changes and long solos or instrumentalsWhy the difference in music writing?
>>130646226>the key to being a good writer is saying what you need to say in the least amount of words possible>the key to being a good director is showing not telling with minimal edits or visual noisewrongyou sound really gay and retarded
Songs with insufficient build up or end too soon are seriously blueballing. What's harder than making a good short song or a long song, is one that does just enough. best example I can think of on the spot are Tom Sawyer and Sweet Trip - To the Moon
Any song past 5 minutes sucks balls
>>130646766Tiktok attention span
>>130646226>>130646766people used to write 5 hour operas
>>130646226Because music isn't a movie or a book, retarded fucking cunt
>>130646226>>the key to being a good writer is saying what you need to say in the least amount of words possible>>>the key to being a good director is showing not telling with minimal edits or visual noiseAccording to what retards? Minimalism is the most dogshit artistic movement in all of recorded human history.
>>130646766Thank you for your worthless opinion
>>130646986>According to what retards?William Shakespeare?
>>130647097Shakespeare is opposite example of that.
>>130646226>>the key to being a good music writer is.... to write long songs that overstay their welcome with pointless key changes and long solos or instrumentalsJokes on you this has no key changes and is just one long jamhttps://youtu.be/EVi-UTF9PL4
>>130646226>the key to being a good writer is saying what you need to say in the least amount of words possibleFilrered by Finnegans Wake
>>130646226fair enough
>>1306467662:30 is the perfect song length, but long songs are fine as long as there is development.
>>130646226>I made up all these points said by different people and am now telling you that YOU said all of these things and believe them
>>130646226>the key to being a good writer is saying what you need to say in the least amount of words possible>the key to being a good director is showing not telling with minimal edits or visual noiseAccording to...?
>>130646812Nah man. If you can’t get your point across in 5 minutes, then it’s noodling bullshit
>>130650951>According to...?Pedantic autistic children
>>130646226>Why the difference in music writing?Because you can vary the same underlying idea of a song various times to give it a different feel while staying within vibe. Like a song within a song within a song.Before you criticize listen to all of it you will understand what I mean:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u32GKcxFIOU
>>130646226>WYWH has BASEDCD>Meddle has EchoesLOL wtf it's not even close. Echoes mogs
>>130651313>Shine On You Crazy Diamond became BASEDCDthat tracks
>>130647110he is probably trolling anon. Shakespeare is verbose af on propose he writes with a lot of subtext and metaphor "the milk of human kindness" etc or whatever.He wrote a lot like how Gabranth from Final Fantasy 12 talks like:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLpAripIK_Y>WE ARE DESTINED TO BATTLE LIKE CARRION BIRDS FEASTING UPON EACH OTHERS FLESHH BAAACSH Its poetic language. Honestly for lyrics writing like this is Total Gold. And you should learn it as a lyricist.
>>130646226For me it's the decline by nofx
>>130646226bros never seen uncut gems
>>130652003my dick is an uncut gem
>>130651208There is no chance that you are an adult
>>130646226All of these assertions about 'good' versions of art are just preference. Art is undefined.
>>130646226because 2 minute long pop music *doesn't* usually say all that it needs to say in its short timespan. It's like comparing short films to full movies, a short film can be great, but they almost always make you wish that they were lengthier so that they could fully describe their point or tell their story. A 2-4 minute song can be great, but their full point could usually be better conveyed if given 6 or more minutes to fully develop musically and lyrically.
>>130652271song length depends on the style of music and intention. I can think of lots of great short songs, its dumb to compare it to movies and short films cause songs are different. You don't need to make a 10 minute long song for it to be great unless you wanna make progressive rock or something
>>130646226True that's why you suffer by napalm death is the best song
>>130652027kek
Ima say it cuh a lotta bands actually fucking suck live and dont actually have the talent to play long ass songs yeah some can do it but a lot cant and it fucking shows how those techy sound guys do all the heavy lifting in making bands sound good on cd then you remember at live shows they gotta do like a big ass setlist man a lotta bands put down more than they can chew man shit
>>130646226>>the key to being a good writer is saying what you need to say in the least amount of words possibleYou absolute retard.
I mean the "greatest" works of lit (like the bible) and cinema (citizen kane) are pretty long.Also yes there have been shorter piece of music that have captured the attention of critics, stuff like the Commercial Album, Minutemen stuff, and if you want to go classical, György Kurtág is well respected
