>“We are like night and day, [Dylan] and I. Bob is not authentic at all. He’s a plagiarist, and his name and voice are fake. Everything about Bob is a deception.”>Furthermore, in 2013, Mitchell fired shots once more, this time while in discussion with CBC. She brutally commented, “Musically, Dylan’s not very gifted; he’s borrowed his voice from old hillbillies. He’s got a lot of borrowed things. He’s not a great guitar player. He’s invented a character to deliver his songs, it’s a mask of sorts."
>>130649508Then why did you rip your entire sound off of Joan Baez, Joni?
>>130649514In Joni's defense she wrote some good songs, Joan baez dindu nuffin I would still fuck her though
>>130649508Luv me sum dylan but she's not wrong. He was jealous of her too
Joni is leagues above Dylan musically.
>>130649514https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqku63PK-x4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pbn6a0AFfnM>accusing others of thieveryAre you freaking kidding me? Get out of here, Joni.
>>130649514she was jealous that Joan got Bob's dick and she didn't
>>130650682nobody ever said Dylan could play guitar above a rudimentary level, though that's conversely why his songs became campfire staples. anyone can play them while Joni, Neil Young, James Taylor etc had pretty difficult guitar parts with odd tunings and chords and stuff.
>>130650828>while Joni, Neil Young, James Taylor etc had pretty difficult guitar parts with odd tunings and chords and stuff.And that's why their music is better. Or at least James and Joni. I haven't listened to Neil in a while so I'd have to double check his work.
>>130649508>Not a great guitar playerSilence, bitch. Some of his best songs are literally open tuning masterpieces.
>>130650707She remade BSN on her 2001 lp. She sounds old and sluggish and the music drags. It proves that old people are no good at everything.
>>130650707besides both being females and playing an acoustic guitar, what's similar?Joan ends almost every line in that weird operatic style, while Joni sings more natural -- which is now the norm (Joan's style sounds odd, now)
>>130649508AND HIS BREATH STINKS
>>130649508that was so based of her to ban Taylor Swift from her 75th birthday party
>>130649508he's way better than this ugly cunt
>>130651326>AND HIS BREATH STINKSYup that was the final straw for me regarding Dylan. Brush your gyatt damn teeth dude.
There’s nothing worse than a Canadian white woman with an acoustic guitar, to take a page out of Christgau.
>>130649508based fuck that nasal jew
what dylan did in 1965 and 1966 was shaping modern rock music as an entire genre, he deserves credit for that alone, the man put up a framework where pretty much the entire popular music scene jammed itself into for a year or so. as influential as the beatles. these are just solid facts. we can argue about amazing niche stuff that was going on in the margins, but above ground it was him and the beatles that shaped it for the most partunlike this sour hippy, who has never created anything worthwhile except for bland folk and being covered by janet jackson (was that even her). a tiny footnote in 70s music, only mentioned because it is a woman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUosSQZSw5csoul is a fusion of rnb/blues/motown/gospel which is why it slaps.tell me this song isnt good and the writing is bad CRACKA!
>>130650707what were you hoping to prove with these two songs?nothing alike joan baez is stiff af, mitchell is expressive and fluidand like her or not she's right about dylan: he's as fake as Tom Waits
>>130649508did she publicly badmouth people before she lost her looks?she probably had as severe of a dropoff from uber-hot to kinda ugly in history. gotta make a woman pretty bitter.
>>130652411>There’s nothing worse than a Canadian white woman with an acoustic guitar, to take a page out of Christgau.Not fair though because Anne Murray was one of his favorite musicfus.
>>130652487Dylan was in the right place at the right time since the nation had just watched a president's head explode so cutesy Froot Loops music of the type that dominated the charts in the early 60s fell out of favor.
joni used to revere bob (for good reason) but it's best she moved on, her early folky stuff is great but she really grew into an idiosyncratic and very powerful musician. her records from hissing onwards through the 80s and 90s are all really excellent. having said that, Bob is definitely inauthentic, a plagiarist, etc etc. and god bless him for it, he is not attached to bourgeois concepts like originality or copyright laws (lol). 2 of his best records came out in the 21st century. bob's early days functioned more like a project of assimilating pre-modern music's sundry expressions into something literate (ie permanent and transmissible through history) than the salad days of a major songwriter. in this way he is more like Homer and Virgil than any of his contemporaries.
>>130653960i thought the 'explain it all' narrative was the beatles blew up because people wanted to have fun again after mourning kennedy.unless i see hard data, i doubt all these claims big events impact pop charts. maybe for a week or two something like 9-11 made sappy love songs sound off, but within a month 13 year old girls were right back to buying the latest love ditty from the latest teen idol.
>>130649508Stupid ugly ass bitch couldnt play for shit and wouldnt have a career if she didnt suck 100s of cocks
>>130650707does 'both sides now' mog anything Dylan put out?it's probably a better use of metaphor than anything he did and as pretty of a pop melody as even been put out.
>>130654744oh no, 9/11 instantly ended that turn of the millenium shiny suit aesthetic overnight and normalized darker sounds
>>130654756Dylan was always more about being gritty than pretty which is why rockers loved him so much.
Talentless plant
>>130649508And what has he said about her?
>>130650828He's pretty good but in his own way. I love his piano playing though (Sign on the Window for a prime example off the top of my head).
>>130655213"She's a worthless slut who banged every guy in the rock scene from the 60s and 70s" or something around those lines
>>130649508I should listen to her more as she inspired my darling.
>>130655344She still obviously had some talent because Rita Coolidge fucked and sucked as many rock stars but was always considered a lolcow nobody ever took seriously. Sleeping with people in of itself isn't enough, you still have to bring some tangible skills to the table.
>>130654808again, I need to see actual data, not narrative.here's an example to disprove the thesis that the pop charts are deeply affected by real world occurrences.this is one of Martha and the Vandellas best songs and biggest hits and was only released in 1967 (tho recorded in 64 as anyone with detailed familiarity with how each year's records sounded would suspect).Just a standard teen girl pine for missing Chad that Motown specialized in the innocence of 1964.But it still became a big hit during the height of Vietnam in 67. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi8EdYM0t3k&list=RDGi8EdYM0t3k&start_radio=1
>>130653960The Kingston Trio were the biggest act of the early 60s, accounted for a quarter of Capitol's total revenues from record sales. They were cut from the label within three weeks of the Beatles going on Ed Sullivan. Yeah, nobody wanted their corny songs in the post-JFK assassination period.
Two artists i dont give a shit about disliking each other? Lol dont care
>>130655540>(tho recorded in 64 as anyone with detailed familiarity with how each year's records sounded would suspect).>>130655597This was released '55 but sounds like the late 40s. Anyone can debate whether it was actually a fresh recording or an old as shit one Decca left on the cutting room floor in 1947 and didn't release for eight years.
>>130655344What a fuckin whore
>>130655595You should give Heijira a listen, Song for Sharon specifically
>>130655595Why did you bother commenting in a thread if you don't care? I'd get it if you really like or really hate them but just to post "eh I don't care" seems like useless attention whoring.
>>130655584lol. wiki shows Capitol released an album by them in December 1963 (AFTER Kennedy assassination) which got to #18. so so much for the narrative that musical tastes are closely tied to news events. kek.
>>130655540>here's an example to disprove the thesis that the pop charts are deeply affected by real world occurrences.of course it did lol. everything in 1980 mostly sounds gloomy because things were completely shit and they had the worst economy since the Depression.
>>130649508All my opinions on this subject are concentrated in this picrel
>>130656987He sounds like a homeless ant?
>>13065694180's were boom times in USA retard.
>>130655344Citation needed.
>>130657102In 84 onward yes but the early 80s economy was total shit.
>>130656100>wut is autism?
>>130657102No it wasn't you retard. The early 80s was plagued with record high inflation, in fact it was the highest levels of postwar inflation in American history, Covid was nothing by comparison.
>>130657280the 79-83 recession was dire, it was the worst economy since the Depression, especially in the Northeast and Midwest (if you lived in California the effects were relatively milder).
>>130657270>>130657280>>130657313sorry, you're right. I misread 80 for 80s.But still back to original point:There is little to no indication on the pop charts of any tough economic times.Same old love ditties like it always is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Year-End_Hot_100_singles_of_1980
>>130658541>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Year-End_Hot_100_singles_of_1980As I said, these are rather dark-sounding songs>>130649238As for contrast 1955 the vibe that year was high energy and cheery.
>>130658575sorry, nigga, you got to provide more evidence than simply 'i says so'.
>>130658575>As I said, these are rather dark-sounding songsi get the feeling he's gonna just argue with you for hours and go "nuh uh you're still wrong"
I must say, this is the first time someone on /mu/ has ever made the claim that music doesn't sound like the year it was released. This is a new level of schizo I never thought possible.
>>130658964earlier we had a guy who insisted Joni didn't steal her entire sound from Joan Baez
>>130659030Entire?
>>130658964you have to understand a lot of people smoke weed and have altered sense of hearing while stoned
I dont know dick about Dylan but from what everyone else says, it appears dylan was a narcissist that did in fact play a character for fame.
Dylan used his natural voice on Nashville Skyline reportedly because his hero Johnny Cash was in the room and he was too shy to use that usual delivery of his. His mother allegedly remarked that it was the first time since he was a kid that he sang naturally.
>>130659092In his later music (70s and on) he backed off on the retarded hick voice and it turned out he actually was a decent singer
