Why is the internet musician community so inexistent and self-alienating compared to the internet artist/animator community?The art community has its share of insane people, yes, but at least it feels like a society.>you will actually find better knowledge of art techniques in twitter threads than in art courses because everyone is eager to teach others and help beginners improve.>internet artists who are celebrities in the eyes of other artists are young and active in the community. >art challenges that everyone jumps on.>tons of collaborations between artists, and multimedia projects organised by artists.>entire meetups where internet artists gather and set up booths to sell art in cons. >clear trends that change every week keeping things fresh. >people who draw in different styles and even different mediums appreciate and learn from each other.In some senses, it has a problem with being over-socialised sometimes.Meanwhile the internet musician community, other than being tiny, self-serving, and inactive, is the most antisocial and paranoid place on the web:>every musician is seen as a competitor, so few people discuss production techniques.>everyone just seems to drop into /shill/, /prod/ or musician Discord servers, drop their music for "feedback", and then refuse to participate in any conversation.>close to no influential internet musicians, the few figures that are respected by everyone are not part of the community, they are 50-year old or dead celebrities who have never used the internet.>everyone is doing their own thing and refuses to interact with people who aren't into their hyper specific subgenre.>rampant envy and infighting for listens within musicians in any hyper specific subgenre.>collaborations don't exist, everyone is seeking to get paid for everything regardless of skill level.
Maybe it has something to do with it being more onerous to engage with? I can scroll down my twitter feed and see twenty new pieces of art in a minute of scrolling. It would take me ten times as long just to listen to thirty seconds of twenty different pieces of music, and I have to be concentrating on it harder than just looking at my phone while I'm waiting for water to boil or w/e
>>130672053I'm talking more about the way producers/musicians interact. I'm in both hobbies and while I've been to many places with artists and made tons of internet and IRL friends through art, I haven't made a single musician friend in over ten years.Even if music was originally a social activity to perform during gatherings, it's somehow almost exclusively filled of people who hate other humans.
>>130671963It's hip hop's fault/thread
>>130671963Art usually has an external subject. Modern song tends to be identity based. It's harder to build bridges when you're doing personal stuff. Focus your music on something external from yourself if you want out.
>>130672336Is this a sound cloud rapper?????
>>130671963I have had the complete opposite experiences in musician communities online. Perhaps it's just because of the niches I find myself in, but the more experienced people tend to be quite friendly and more than willing to share knowledge and give help, especially towards those just getting into the scenes because they know how tough it is figuring stuff out from zero. Like, inb4 GR15, the pony music community is one of the best examples of this. Maybe you are looking too far into normie spaces? Find the people who create out of passion, not those who have other desires.
>>130671963>Dragon quest algorithm detected >
>>130671963Lmao the art/animation community is terrible. Full of sneaky fucks worldwide, reporting each other, hacking into accounts, snide remarks every day
>>130671963I’m guilty of this. Most amateur to intermediate music is cringe and not good. I try to be open minded and give people’s music a shot if they give mine a shot but it’s usually pretty terrible. I give likes and follows but don’t actually like any of them, and I definitely don’t hop on just to browse the latest music.That’s not to say my own stuff isn’t shit from other people’s POV. I think it’s really good, but I’m sure everyone else would say the same about theirs. The only nobody songwriter I actually like is an IRL friend who doesn’t play any instruments and uses Suno for everything because he actually has great song ideas. Most people online are just weird for the sake of weird or (I apologize in advance because this is gonna sound boomer as fuck) they have nothing to say.
>>130671963>internet musician communityNo such thing>internet artist/animator communityNo such thing
>muh communityIt sounds like you have nothing better to do...
dude holy shit nophono cares about your autistic essay go outside and talk to people the irony of you calling an internet community "social" vs "antisocial" there is no such thing you cannot socialize online you're supposed to actually go outside and talk with local musicians its a good thing there is no autistic online space for autists to sperg out together
>>130674184No one cares about your autistic essay either.
>>130672053>more onerous to engage with?this was also one of my first thoughts reading the OPconsider the "attention economy" (mega cringe, i know) and the much bigger time investment in trying to engage with others in the musician "community":>3-5 seconds after even deciding to click something to judge general quality>another 5-10 scanning through a track to identify who/what it's even supposed to be (i.e what genre/community it's supposed to invite (assuming no art/profile context)>finally decide to actually listen through the full thing after>multiple minutes just to take in *one* piece if it gets past the initial filters, and much longer if you want to give genuine feedback.also consider how much more intertwined the concept of celebrity is with music: unless you investigate, you have no way of knowing the temperament of who you're trying to engage with or their goals- is this person just dumping their trash? looking for actual feedback? promoting themselves under the facade of looking for feedback? the spotify screenshot or "check out my soundcloud!!!" thing is a known meme even outside of musician spaces and casts a pervasive shadow of doubt on whether the person you're talking to would even care if you engage with them in the first place.that time investment and the inherent "oh musicians are public figures!" (among other reasons, of course) creates this sense of limited spots to hold peoples' attention, so of course this drives people to start crabbing.idk. for all the attention i've given to randoms and their music over the years, i have to say i get absolutely nothing out of it.the handful of friends i've made out of it came either out of mutual admiration (somebody who's already put in some time to get reasonably decent at what they do) or shared interest in a niche artist. the latter isn't easily recognized in the wild unless they're making type beats (lame) or there's an accompanying blogpost.idk it sucks and i think about this as well
>>130675265All this can be avoided by just having your own style that's good and cool. 99% fail at this due to the ever prevelant mindvirus of religious nostalgia
I'm an illustrator. A dirty secret is that people who are 'on their purpose' don't really have mutuals or spend their time in art circles. They're just working their ass off on something.
