How the FUCK is it possible that the blues scale and blues scaled-based licks have only started appearing during the 20th century? This has always boggled my mind, like how didn't any classical composer fiddle on their piano or lute at random, happen to play a simple blues scale, and think "this sounds good, I'll write something using that"? I don't think I've ever came across a blues phrasing in any piece composed prior to late 1800s. How are there so few minor pentatonic figures in classical music? Was it simply seen as cacophonous prior to african influences becoming more and more prevalent in basically music during the late 1800s and throughout the 20th century?This is a rare example of minor pentatonic being used in a classical piece, and listen to how incredibly modern the first few bars sound:https://youtu.be/Yu06WnXlPCY?si=AVp243dPxDQ0GmyzWhy wasn't this more common?
>>130687596>and think "this sounds good, I'll write something using that"?Precisely because they thought the exact opposite when hearing it
blues scales are popular because the guitar is basically tuned to 4ths and you keep basically the same position and easy. Its why its usually the first scale you learn when your a beginner and alot of blues stuff built on it. Im sure it existed but no one was writing down babbies first scale and keeping it for 150 years ago since recorded music was a 20th century thing. I can easily picture some proto clapton shredding a pentatonic lute wank on some folk song in a pub or something but thats not what survives in the record.
Plenty of folk music from around the world uses pentatonic scales, just look at east Asia. "Classical" music (counterpoint) was also a relatively new development around 400 years ago, and is overrepresented in academia simply because there was a cultural shift at the same time, making music education a popular pastime among the elite and elevating the status of the composers hired to teach and write for them.
>>130689951Pentatonic scale ≠ blues scale or blues licks. Major pentatonic doesn't sound bluesy at all. Minor penatonic phrases almost always sound nothing like any style of pre-1900s music and are almost completely absent from anything from the baroque-classical-romantic eras. To me that intro to the prelude in b minor I linked in the OP sounds nothing like any baroque piece, and I wonder why bach and other composers almost never used pentatonic minor phrases.
>>130691137>never used pentatonic minor phrasesBecause it sucks ass and is absent all the notes that make minor sound good
>>130687596I think they might have done but they were beaten senseless by their teacher because it wasn't (((correct))) or they were genuinely too German and autistic to think it sounded good
Markiplier never said that
>>130687596I think in classical music, pentatonic scales were generally considered as sounding folksy and primitive, and classical music generally -at least until the 19th century - tended to follow a goal of creating structures and advancing society and culture forwards, not so much embracing old sounds (unless it had to do with church hymns)I have no doubt they existed in some folk musics of Europe at that time - and like in the example you play, you also could accidently end up with "pentatonic" melodies just as a result of skipping certain notes in minor and major scales.On top of that, classical music ended up becoming a lot about balancing tension and release, dissonance and consonance through harmony, and pentatonic scales are notably free of dissonance by themselves. All the interest of the dominant/tonic relationship in classical lies on the dissonance in the tritone (ie between B and F in C major) being resolved, which are exactly the two notes that are missing from a C major pentatonic.Some blues-like phrasing I can think of however that showed up frequently in classical music are chromatic appogiaturas, which kind of have the same logic of playing a note slightly too low and then resolving it like a blue note. You sometimes get diminished fifths or minor thirds over major chords that way. Calling it "the blues" is obviously a huge stretch, though.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xS8hdr5ubo (at 0:09)
You're making me think about this from a historical perspective. Typically the color blue is associated with the French throne of Orléans, which largely was a court made up of black folks. If there ever was an Orleanian music genre called Blues that was older than the 19th century, it would stand to reason that several European regimes might have tried to bury its early evidences by now
