*unironically believes in the labor theory of value in your path*
I hate this fucking commie cocksucker so much it's unreal:https://youtu.be/MAFUdIZnI5o?si=CEaQi7pXD_RyIzZd
>>130719249He'd look betta with a hairier chest tho lol
I hate leftists and I hate rightists with a deep passiont. neoliberal
>>130719249Uhh does he shave his chest hair? Random and funny comment but bruh...nothings there lol.
>>130719250Why do you support other people owning what you make? Sounds like a cuck.
>>130719249The 7 Levels Of Jazz Harmony is a certified classic video.https://youtu.be/voZ8NDB4WAkhttps://youtu.be/lz3WR-F_pnM
>>130719337If somebody else came up with the idea and you just copied it, you by definition didn't make it.Not that commies understand this:https://chroniclesmagazine.org/vital-signs/the-life-and-times-of-the-king-plagiarism-story/
>>130719337Someone training a model on music or visuals you publicly publish is not someone "owning" what you make
>>130719249isn't this that fag who thinks classical music is racist or something?
>>130719441He's somewhat correct about that
>>130719395>>130719425Cool. What does that have to do with my post again? I'm talking about making something and someone else owning it. Why do you support that?
>>130719476Because if you didn't actually make the thing, but just copied it, you are not the creator, and should not be compensated as though you are.
>>130719441Yes.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr3quGh7pJA&pp=ygUXYWRhbSBuZWVseSBtdXNpYyB0aGVvcnk%3DHowever much you think you hate him, you do not hate Adam Neely enough.
>>130719502He's right. Classical shit sucks and is just circlejerked by fash trash who want to kill you and wield ye olde society as a weapon against all
>>130719512I sincerely hope you're just a troll, but you should still be beaten to death with cheap guitars for saying something this stupid.
>>130719495What does "copied it" even mean in music? Who "created" the elements in music? And how?This only works if you define "copied it" at a meaningful level of musical specificity. Music isn't one single parameter. A piece isn't just "the idea", but a configuration of melody, rhythm, harmony, voicing, texture, form, register, timbre, phrasing, structure, performance, production, etc.If by "copied" you mean literally reproducing a distinctive melody, riff, bassline, sample, arrangement, or recording, then fine. But if you mean using a chord progression, a stylistic convention, a texture, a genre formula or a general musical "idea," then no, that's not the same thing.Nobody creates music ex nihilo. Composers use inherited materials the way writers use inherited words and grammar. Literally every musician inherits a vast grammar they didn't invent. Creation is in the selection, transformation, combination, development and context.That's why treating music as property is so incoherent to me. It starts with the reasonable claim that someone shouldn't just steal an entire recording or pass off someone else's exact work as their own, but then it expands into the absurd idea that vague musical materials, ideas, patterns, styles and gestures can be owned. And once you accept that, you end up defending a system where corporations, labels, estates, publishers and rights-holders can own and extract money from things they didn't personally create either, which is peak cuck/bootlicking bullshit.So again: why do you support other people owning things that you made?
>>130719516>dood, Bach le countered the pointy points like so harder than anyone else. Now let me calmly explain why that means you need to go forth and purge amd wage mass-war on all mankind who doesn't look like raw uncooked chicken when they're naked
>>130719529Who are you quoting?
>>130719537Was quoting (You)....
>>130719502niggas like this have ruined the culture around classical and jazz music beyond repair
>>130719529it's amazing the lengths you retards go to to make your brainwashing sound palatable to sane people
>Music Theory and White Supremacy
>>130719590>quarter-assed meme posting is LE LIKE SCAWY BRAINWASHING!!!11>DO NOT EVER WRONGTHINK EVER OR DARE CONTRADICT THE RIGHTOID NARRATIVE, THAT'S LE HECKIN BAD WRONGTHINK BROUtterly lost the plot and jumped the shark, you freaks...
>>130719249I hate youtubers and 'content creators' but this dude's videos are sometimes good.One thing I like about him is that he actually seems open minded about what music can be, which is rare for super educated music theory dorks. Everybody I know IRL with formal music education always has some really shit opinions about what isn't "real music", but Adam seems to genuinely be open minded about that even though he doesn't seem to actually listen to anything too experimental
>>130719644>he actually seems open minded about what music can beno he's not watch his "Is Laufey Jazz" video. he gets hyper fixated on this autistic definition of jazz he created for himself and then uses it browbeat Laufey the entire video is just him seething that Laufey is a more successful jazz musician at half Adam's age while adam will forever be known as the youtube music guy and not his shitty ass gay band
>>130719250I'm gonna upload his music to bandcamp and take the money then, since copyright is bad.
>>130719249My pedophile music teacher who’s in prison really liked this faggot commies videos.
>>130719658damn, sad to hear. Without watching the video I get why somebody would say Laufey isn't jazz, but idk it can count if you want it to. I've only heard a handful of Laufey songs but sure, she's a jazz singer, why not?and yeah his band does suck. It's a little bit cooler than most of what I call 'berklee circle jerk' music, but it's too dorky to be serious for me
>>130719614Opposing copyright and supporting the labor theory of value should be capital offenses, Adam. You and your commie religion are hollow lies built on over a century of failure, famine, murder, and misery.
>>130719249just remembered that face belongs to THAT faggotfuark, i see that face in my nightmares unironically. something about the beak, angry brow, dark hair combined with steel blue eyes evokes fear in me
>>130719527The value is in any system that rewards nurtures, and protects the development of original intellectual creation, Adam. By far the best system, indeed the only system, ever to sustain such practice is by property ownership. By making original ideas intellectual property that can be owned and protected and profited from by its creator. Your gay race communist notion of this being a bad thing is based on the preposterous notion that labor alone should remunerate, as if so inefficient and open-ended a process as labor could possibly serve as a better system for this than market forces and strong property rights.Does this mean that homo Jonathan Mann should be richer than Taylor Swift? He's published thousands more original songs than her, Dylan, and McCartney combined. Surely that's a lot more labor. Does it matter that they're all complete trash? No! Labor theory of value! This fucking dork should be rich off gay race communist welfare!https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0uraUwBuvn8
>>130719249I'm pretty libertarian, but the current class of capitalists have lost the fucking plot entirely. I'd actually support a few years of Leninist style Red Terror because it's so fucking bad right now. These people just need to be cycled out, a reset is well needed
>>130719793Then you're not a libertarian, tovarich! You're just a commie!Please kiss a Ukranian dronestrike after getting sodomized by the Muscovites.
His latest AI video was based though
>>130719249>the labor theory of valueqrd?
>>130719600>C major is the "default" key in musical notation therefore EUROCENTRISMThis modern academic faggotry is so tiring.
So does Nelly hate-train ultimately come down to "classical trannies got their feeling hurt"?
>>130720387it comes down to he is a gay pretentious faggot like collierat least fantano gets pop culture and online cultureneely is an autismo jazz sperg
>>130720297Under a capitalist system, every commodity has a value. Since labor is commodified, it has a value no different than a bushel of corn or a box of cereal. A commodity’s value is determined by the socially necessary labor time required to produce it; hence the labor theory of value.So labor both creates value and has a value.But labor is not paid in value. It is compensated in wages.Does a capitalist pay his laborer the wage equivalent of the value she creates? Of course not. If he did, his days of being a capitalist would not last long. No profit would have been produced because profit is the result of labor creating more value than the wage equivalent of its own value. Put differently, the laborer spends a portion of the working day producing the value of its wage equivalent (necessary labor) and a portion of the working day producing value in excess of its wage equivalent (surplus labor). If the capitalist can shorten the portion of the working day dedicated to necessary labor, then more time will be dedicated to surplus labor.Surplus value or Exploitation signifies the portion of value created by surplus labor. More surplus labor time = a higher rate of exploitation. The methods used by capitalists to create more surplus labor time has an incredibly important moral component, but that stands outside the realm of exploitation as a formal economic concept. All that is needed for exploitation is uncompensated labor creating surplus value. No exploitation, no capitalism. Motives and methods for creating more surplus value is a different, albeit related, conversation.
>>130720403Oh, so it's so more of "non-musicians watch stuff that's clearly not aimed at them, don't understand the nuance and get mad", got it.
>>130720585there is no nuance in "white people are bad because i said so"
>>130720633Don't need nuance when speaking facts
>>130719441as a cucked midwit redditoid critical theorist he thinks everything is racist, actually
>>130719249Really? Sounds like some fiscal incel sour grapes to me.
>>130720585His videos are pretty clearly aimed at people who don't music theory?
>>130721096*don't know
>>130721096That is not at all what I perceived when watching his videos. Talking about AI, miming performances, copyright... These things have nothing to do with music theory. If your point is that people who know music theory already know his talking points... I guess. But who do you think his main audience is? Musicians. Your average guy that has never played a note in his life isn't watching this, and if they do, they're the minority.
>>130719779This is a complete non sequitur. I didn't argue that "labor alone should remunerate", nor did I argue that whoever writes the most songs should be the richest. So well done with that retarded strawman. Obviously market value, artistic value, originality, labor, popularity, distribution, branding, recording, performance and cultural timing are all different things.You conveniently dodged my very basic question, so here it is again for you: what exactly is being owned in music?You keep saying "original ideas" and "copied it", but that's exactly the problem. What counts as an original musical idea? A chord progression? A bass pattern? A texture? A rhythmic cell? A production style? A genre formula? A melodic contour? A "vibe"? A hook? A recording? An arrangement? A performance?And no, saying "property rights" doesn't answer that. It just assumes the conclusion. Before you can defend music as property, you have to define what the property actually is. Music isn't a chair, but a multifaceted language built out of inherited materials.Also, the idea that this system simply protects "the creator" is naive. In practice, music property is very often owned by labels, publishers, estates, catalog funds, corporations and other rights-holders who didn't create the music themselves. So for the third time: why should other people own what an artist made?And feel free to actually answer my question and tell me what exactly can be owned in music, who created it and at what level of specificity does influence become copying?
>>130721290his audience isn't musicians it's aspiring musicians. people who have scratched the surface of theory but don't understand it yet
>>130720403this is just sour grapes and you're not even trying to hide it
50 posts in a thread is 2 much discussion for adam neely
>>130721290>they're the minority.all his videos explain the most basic music theory concepts with the assumption that it's the viewer's first time hearing about them, and when he doesn't all the comments are "LOL I didn't understand a thing but I like the vibes"
>>130720374this is why i fucking despise the pianoC MAJOR IS NOT SPECIALnot for any socially conscious reasons i just think it's retarded to think that way
>>130721361I may be the only person on earth to care about this but it pisses me off when people say "4/4 and C major" to signal genericity as if a mainstream pop song being in F# or whatever would be radically experimental
>>130721486i feel you. the world is full of people that know 1% of a subject and try to impress people that know 0%
>>130720435>No profit would have been produced because profit is the result of laborNo it's not, dumbass! Profit is a result of market demand. You can have done literally nothing more than buying a share of stock or a first-edition Mario NES cartridge at a thrift shop in 1998, and if you sold it more than you paid for it, you made a profit.This is how it should be! The labor theory of value, put into practice, would only reward wasteful effort. Whether Jonathan Mann's thousands of worthless songs, or the tons upon tons of whale meat left to rot in Soviet harbors because it was only caught to make quota:https://fee.org/articles/why-the-soviets-slaughtered-180-000-whales-during-the-cold-war/https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/06/history-of-soviet-whaling-greenpeace-twentieth-century.htmlIf you unironically believe in the labor theory if value, you should neither be allowed to vote, nor own property.
>>130719249Uhhhh based?
>>130720633>Don't need nuance when speaking facts
>>130721333>What counts as an original musical idea? A chord progression? A bass pattern? A texture? A rhythmic cell? A production style? A genre formula? A melodic contour? A "vibe"? A hook? A recording? An arrangement? A performance?In traditional copyright law (i.e., non-nuisance suits), nothing but the last three are under copyright, and are such only for themselves, which solves most of the issue. The deeper principle is ideas versus expression; the latter's protected, the former is not. To judge whether a work is original is whether it contains a distinctive vocal or instrumental melody, or original lyrics, because such is the most recogniseably distinctive touch of music. Are works that probably shouldn't be protected still covered? Yes, but said coverage is weak. A bit of common vocabulary, like the 'A' section of "Rhythm-a-ning", would not be protected, since it's been used in countless works predating Monk's composition. But the whole song, it's 'A' and 'B', though hardly the most original composition, is still recognisably different and distinct and clockable as such from first listen on.Are there flaws in the system? Yes. But no possible better system will nor should do without copyright nor property rights nor market forces, as any attempt to such will only produce worthless volume while doing nothing to check fraud. We know this from academia, which Adam cites as an improvement despite it being far more notorious for fraud than the commercial, capitalist music industry:https://chroniclesmagazine.org/vital-signs/the-life-and-times-of-the-king-plagiarism-story/
incel screeching thread
>incel screeching thread
>>130719735Didn't a weirdo pinko bleeding heart libtard who like doesn't wanna carpet bomb the third worlders build all modern agriculture or something?
>>130719249Classical economists like Smith and Ricardo came up with the labor theory of value, Marx merely adapted it for use in his critique of political economy
>Dude, mao zedong did a so bad famine bro. Ignore the fact that everything was basically fine afterwards for decades now, and Musk right now is doing a worse famine than Mao ever, that like just doesn't count or something!
>>130722529>>>/r/ope, leftshit
>>130719735We can see your nose from here Moshe
>>130722585denounce the prophet muhammed
>>130722529It wasn't. Not only did the Cultural Revolution and the One Child Policy and Sino-Vietnamese War, not to mention their acquisition of nukes and rapacious piracy of world fisheries, all follow, as well countless murders of everyone from Uyghur and Tibetian independence activists to Falun Gong adherents, but not all the famines combined since throughout the world were worse than the GLF.Worse still, they're still poorer today than any Sinospheric country. Until maybe now, due to the Uke War, they remained poorer than fucking Russia. All the communist suffering was for less than nothing. Even Hitler and Stalin didn't bring as much ruin as Maoist China.
>>130722485Smith also believed in the barter system, and there's even less evidence supporting that than the labor theory of value.Labor is an expense. It has zero inherent value.
>>130722589No
>>130722842Yeah it was so bad that China is only the world's second most powerful country and building blade runner cities left and roght while conservatives on the internet say they'll collapse in 2 more weeks
>>130719249The labor theory of value is necessarily true. It's literally an inescapable axiom of capitalism. You need to sell what you produce at a higher price than what it costs to manufacture, so profit is the surplus value above the costs of production (both machinery and labor)
>>130719735>Opposing copyright should be a capital offense Come get me, kike
>>130723605Which they did *after* moving far the fuck away from socialism!They don't even have as big a welfare state as the West! They have lower taxes and spend less on social services than anywhere in the North Atlantic. It's also deeply unequal, since there's no freedom of movement within the country.
>>130726490No you don't. You sell it for whatever it sells for. It doesn't matter if it's a loss nor if you put zero labor into acquiring the item to which you're selling.Value is a function of marginal utility!
>>130719735>Opposing copyright should be capital offensetongue my anus
>>130726813>>130727894>Property rights are Jewish!As if we need more reason socialists should neither be allowed to vote nor own property.
>>130722322Yes, ideas and expression are different. That's the point. Most of what people call "copying" in music is not copyrightable. Chord progressions, grooves, textures, genre formulas, production tricks, vibes, etc. are mostly just vocabulary. So when someone says "he copied the idea", the obvious answer is still... what idea? How specific is it? You also say only recordings, arrangements and performances are protected, but then immediately talk about melody and lyrics. So even you have to start splitting hairs. That's exactly why "he copied it" is too vague.The "Rhythm-a-ning" example proves this too. The common A section is not protected because it's common vocabulary. The whole tune is recognizable because of the full package. Fine, that's all I'm saying. Nobody is saying people should be allowed to steal an entire recording or pass off someone else's melody as their own. The point is that music is made from shared language. Influence, style, idiom, quotation, variation and theft are not the same thing.And "no better system is possible" is just you asserting things. Academia having fraud doesn't prove that capitalist music property is the best system. The music industry has fraud too, with labels, publishers, ghostwriters, payola, catalog ownership, industry plants, algorithm gaming, all of it. Markets don't magically stop fraud, they even usually reward it if it sells.
>>130727052That's the fantasy modern economists tell but you need to make a profit in the capitalist system, what is profit? it's the difference between total costs of production and total revenue, so no ''subjective value'' doesn't explain anything because the idea that value is subjective clashes against that ''hard-coded'' rule that price necessarily needs to be above the cost of production of a commodity to turn a profit
Adam Neely tongues my anus
>>130719249didn't he have a little fit about Laufey being considered jazz, and went on about how it's a black genre (which is ridiculous btw)?hard to take him seriously
>>130730031Pretty retarded if he actually said that. It's like saying Suffocation isn't death metal because they had a bunch of black guys.
>>130730059i'm probably overstating it, but that was the feeling I was left with.let me link it ...naw, I didn't overstate it:https://youtu.be/68zOvCLwcL8what an annoying racist twat
>>130730031that video soured me on adam so much like he just wanted to dunk on laufey and gatekeep her out of his autistic basement jazz he's salty people consider laufey jazz meanwhile no one gives a fuck about adam's faggot band. he spent his entire life trying to become a successful jazz musician and to see laufey succeed so young in "his" genre triggered him
Part of the problem with LTV discussions is that in Marx's day, "theories of values" were concerned with a very heady, philosophical idea of truly finding this 'origin of value'. It was basically assumed there was a true answer. What modern 'economists' actually do is decline to answer this question, they say "let's just assume value and price are the same thing, or rather, that value sort of doesn't exist."The modern field of economics is fundamentally more interested in just studying the concept of 'scarce resources'. Versions of Marx's LTV as he further elaborated on it are kinda workable just because he begins to circle around the scarce resources thing. That's what the "socially necessary labor" bit is doing, recognizing that some labor is more valued by people than others, and the reason is that it enables more access to something scarce basically. Still, ultimately LTV is a philosophical/ethical argument to say why Marx thinks workers deserve better treatment, or rather, an argument to CONVINCE workers that THEY should 'take back the world' using their numbers. Don't see what Marx has much to do with music. Does Adam Neely ever talk about how Maoism destroyed music schools and murdered musicians because they thought music and music history so far was too entangled with pre-communist ideas so it should all be wiped out?Tantacrul has several good videos in part or whole about totalitarians censoring and destroying music. Tantacrul is funny because he's clearly very left wing but is mature enough to hold a high level corporate job. I guess in modern usage of terms he'd probably identify as "democratic socialist" or something. Censoring the press and public discussing is where a lot of communists historically seem to lose the plot. EVERYTHING not glazing themselves becomes counter revolutionary sentiment.
>>130730059>>130730093get the feeling he'd view Laufey very differently if she was black not White/Chinese.he comes off as pretty ugly in that vid
Jazz might genuinely be the worst genre of all time. This guy being a Jazz fan is all I need to know about him
>>130730160Filtered pleb
>>130728248Only a jew would say the state should execute you for torrenting music. You are, at minimum, spiritually jewish
>>130730095this is just cope to try to not abandon the obviously ridiculous labor theory of value. it's like if einstein were wrong but he kept trying to defend equivalences by just redefining what each side of the equation was over and over for decades
>>130730379I am ethnically Jewish and most of my friends are Jewish and I do not think torrenting music should result in execution. Though I do think intellectual property is somewhat valid. (I do not consider AI pretraining to be an IP violation, in itself. Reproducing someone's work verbatim and distributing it - particularly while collecting revenue - clearly is IP violation.)
>>130729950How does any of this claptrap make labor valuable rather than an expense?
>>130730839>I am ethnically Jewish and most of my friends are JewishI have nightmares like this, but then I wake up and realize that thankfully it wasn't real
>>130729918Markets are incentivised against fraud from a number of angles. For one, among the few legitimate purposes of governments is to adjucate disputes. For another, business build value through good reputation. A firm with a bad reputation loses value. A fraud within the institution will not stop at cheating outsiders, but will cheat inside as well.In Adam's model, trying to make music more like modern academia, there is zero incentive to police against fraud, since nobody would lose money if a record was improperly credited. The only party that stands to lose in academe is the institutions themselves, for not filling more useless journals with trash articles nobody reads, and not giving out more increasingly-hollow credentials to the state-subsidised DEI hires who infest its halls, so the incentive is always on ignoring fraud whenever possible. This was already a problem in the '50s with MLK, and it's worse now than ever. To think such is a good idea for anything in the 2020s is tantamount to supporting the Soviet Union's invasion of Hungary in 1956, which I'm sure Adam also supports as well, little commie faggot.
>>130731199All my favourite artists are Jews or half-Jews
>people defend this homoHis dad was a bona fide Arlington Virginia glowie, specifically for "instructional systems", at the same time his "educational" YouTube hit the big time.
>>130732156why you putting things that you have no idea what they mean in quotes?
>>130730824Take human labor out of the production loop and Capitalism self-destructs. Machines cannot create value.If you replace human labor with robotized labor then with what money are people going to buy what the robots produce? The M-C-M cycle breaks. Profit comes from the exploitation of the surplus value (unpaid labor) produced by the workers. The LTV is inescapably true
>>130734446Capitalism has generated unprecedented human prosperity by *eliminating* human labor to unprecedented degrees. Literally everything you do or use today was formerly the product of substantially greater human labor than is the case today. Farm labor before the tractor was literally backbreaking. Mining before machines was so awful, it was typically the domain of slaves and convicts.Labor is a cost. Not a value.
>>130734564Human labor is what gives value to commodities in a capitalist paradigm, because profits is the appropriation of the unpaid labor of the workers. Without this Capitalism breaks down. Imagine an economy that is 100% automated, who is going to buy what and with what income if most people would be out of jobs because of automation? This is why machines cannot create value for capitalists to profit from. Capitalism need human workers to reproduce itself, the profit is realized in the M-C-M cycle, it's a symbiotic parasitic relationship between capitalists and workers, take human labor out of the equation and Capitalism simply stops being sustainable
>>130735331>Human labor is what gives value to commodities in a capitalist paradigmNo it's not. This is utterly nonsensical. Jonathan Mann has worked at least as hard as Taylor Swift, and he has ten times fewer subscribers, and far fewer regular viewers, than Lil Tay, who doesn't work hard for her music at all, and can't even correctly pronounce the lyrics to her very simple songs:https://youtu.be/5NXu7F_GPPY?si=YqA951D46hn9eQ_6But this is hardly an injustice, because Jonathan Mann's music is all complete trash! His labor, his thousands of songs of labor, has produced nothing more valuable than an obnoxious Bany Yoda novelty song. He's lut over sixthousand songs on YouTube, and not one's worth even as much as Lil Tay's popsloot career:https://youtu.be/B187Z1HZYd4?si=JHULu5QJbgqzxnLX
Labour has value because it's finite. Just like a cryptocurrency that has to be mined. You can't just conjure labor out of nothing. The fact that labour can be meaninglessly consumed without producing value doesn't mean it's not valuable. I can fire a bunch of gold into the sun, doesn't mean gold is valueless.
china is mogging the west right now following the teachings of marx
>>130735803China only started getting anywhere when they ditched socialism. Dengism isn't marxism
>>130735803China isn't mogging anyone and Marxism is exactly what is holding them back. They have a per capita GDP of Argentina, the only reason they made it anywhere is because they have over a billion people. If they were capitalist instead they'd have cities on the moon by now
>>130735877sustaining an enormous population sounds like mogging to meif i was playing civ i'd be sweating
>>130735900>sustaining an enormous population sounds like mogging to meIndia isn't mogging anyone saaar
>>130734262because they are quotations
>>130735789Labor isn't by any means finite. Innovators and entrepreneurs, inventors and engineers, all have brought the world the greatest prosperity ever known because they made old ways of doing things obsolete. It is impossible to imagine decent society emerging from a majority agroworker population.
Communism is gay, and so is jazz
>>130735877>he only reason they made it anywhere is because they have over a billion peopleIndia has even more people and is decades behind China
I watched some of these dude YTs back in the day. They'd always be shit into my algo. The only thing I remember from it was he'd always have these contests with this jewish dude who would always mog the shit out of him with the final song.
>>130736166Indians are just special
>>130736166No one really knows how many people are in Indian and China.
>>130722922>doesnt value his own laborlol ok bro
>>130734564oh ahit its this guy from lit again >muh machines and industrialization and capitalism saved children from working in the mines" lol fuck you no they didnt. jews and socialist and the good christian women working for a better world did. assholemuh cost not value, eat shit bitch.
>>130735818>>130735877China isn't capitalist, but its also not a Soviet style planned economy or Maoist. It's a regulated state managed, almost corporatist market economy where private enterprise is allowed but activity is directed towards the interests of the state rather than excessive private concentration. The population was already a billion+ back when they were eating dirt and riding ox carts pre-1978. Numbers alone don't build jack shit if your system is broken. They restructured everything and unleashed productivity that made the West's industrial revolution look like a weekend project. Per capita upper-middle income now (over 10k USD), lifted 800 million out of absolute poverty, averaged ~9% GDP growth for forty fucking years, and now they crank out 30% of global manufacturing. Condensed centuries of development into decades. Your "billion people" excuse is just seething that a bunch of gooks out-industrialized the "end of history". Every shithole that swallowed the Washington Consensus/neoliberal pill or did Russia's 90s shock therapy "therapy" ended up as a raped oligarch playground with hyperinflation, collapsed industry, and middle-income trap hell. China did gradual state-managed transition and dodged those landmines. Their system lets the state spend money on unlimited resources into long-term projects without kikes lawyers, NIMBY San Fagcisco faggots suing for 20 years, or quarterly profit jewing everything. High-speed rail? 50,000km network in record time while the West argues over permits for one line. They dominate physical future infrastructure because they can actually build instead of virtue signal.Tech lead? From 2003-2022 the US went from leading in 60/64 critical techs to China leading in 52 of them, everything: EVs, batteries, telecom, solar, you name it. Not "held back by Marxism." They're the ones lapping everyone in the real world metrics that matter. They're the future, US is the past.
>>130736605this would be a really good post except for the really idiotic anti-queer and antisemitism. you think its just nimbys and queers stopping trains? lol fuck you. are you for sale? does fuck you sound simple enough?
>>130736605wumao fag using deepseek to write his propaganda
Adam Needy
>>130735771What you just said is utterly nonsensical. In fact this is the classic ''objection'' rightoids who don't understand the basics of the LTV always make, thinking that Marx was a simpleton just like them. First of all the LTV is concerned with generalized commodity production, not shit like making music like in your example. And Marx is interested in the socially necessary labor time that is expanded to produce a determined commodity, that is the market average. Marx isn't concerned with INDIVIDUALS wasting their labor doing pointless shit, do you really think Marx was like ''uhr dur the more you work on something the more valuable it is, Grug take 3 hours to make pizza, Grug can now I can sell pizza for 200 dollars!''. Like do you really think Marx was a drooling retard like that?
>>130736721>Marx is interested in the socially necessary labor time that is expanded to produce a determined commodity, that is the market average. Marx isn't concerned with INDIVIDUALS wasting their labor doing pointless shitIt's literally impossible to know what labor is or is not socially necessary absent market and meritocratic forces, both of which tend towards inequality of outcome and the rendered obsolescence of most competitors. The vast majority of people were once agricultural laborers, and every step of societal advancement in history has involved making most of their efforts obsolete. Paradoxically, this very expropriation of most laborers from food production has let simultaneously to the greatest surplus of food supply in all of human history; itself the product of INDIVIDUAL innovation, which appears incomprehensible to society outside of retrospect. Hence why rhe USSR and the PRC were never able to out-innovate capitalist states. They owed the vast majority of their own successes in development to intellectual property theft, which was given complete encouragement by no force more deeply than the Soviet constitution:https://www.marxists.org/history/ussr/government/law/1961/civil-legislation/ch04.htm
>>130737338>No copyright is acquired by non-citizens of the USSR for works first published or existing abroad except on the basis and within the limits of international conventions concluded by the USSR on this subject.A tremendous convenience that the copyright of literally everybody outside the USSR was unrecognized in advanced, and could never be attained for non-citizens even in principle:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77Fz24EKGAc
>>130736643The logic of socialism is inherently anti-queer and anti-minority. Diversity fractures unity, which is by far the core of state stability. Homosexuality is also inherently parasitic against society. It's supportable and defensible as a lifestyle choice only in the context of a society that recognises the right to individual liberty as inherent.
>>130730379>torrenting someone's work and not paying them is okaywhats your job? mind if I steal your shit and not pay you?
>>130735331robots already do things better than humans at certain things. CNC machines for cutting metal are way more efficient than a human manually cutting the metal themselves. This is a net positive and way more efficient than manual labor
man half the people in this thread really need to take a course on economics and understand the concept of supply vs. demand
>>130738710shut the fuck up idiot
>>130738854thats likely not truepost some evidence.humans are fucking skilled
>>130738890why?
