Gibbons editionhttps://youtu.be/p7DJhZeC9MQThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>130736315
>>130770271imagine not being Anglo.
>tfw no Solti Rachmaninoffwhy live
So with this year's release of his Bach's St John Passion, Raphael Pichon now has recordings of that, Bach's St Matthew Passion, Bach's Mass in B minor, Bach's motets, Brahms' German Requiem, Monteverdi's Vespers for the Blessed Virgin, and Mozart's Requiem. Which is to say, hopefully this means he'll release a Beethoven Missa Solemnis in the next year, one that'll no doubt live up to his consistent track-record of stellar performances.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbMJ4B4MYSo&list=OLAK5uy_knFZeu6J3JD9k3hHzlMsMxmpO0Pfzz2xU&index=24
Andras Schiff's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEqBamNZDEE&list=OLAK5uy_n2QSBclnOSBe6pNnRQGbdD4ZmePfVCQeg&index=3
>>130770313Fortunately I don't have to imagine.
>>130770434>>130770122Okay thanks I shall not
>>130770500A good decision. Schnittke's sonatas are much more worthy of your time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFFBxHVL36Y
>>130770500wtfJust listen to one new one every morning or at the start of your listening session, then move on to whatever other composer. You'll have explored the rest of the 32 you haven't heard in no time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwTRP1Z5Rto&list=OLAK5uy_mJBG-0UYD6UZt9tqrqzP2FvO2oiHqmEO0&index=18
Where to begin with Scriabin?
>>130770520Just stop dude. It's not worth it. I used to like some early sonatas but I never looked back on them, there's better music out there.
How would you describe Beethoven's late string quartets emotionally? A portrait of the struggle between life and death? Or perhaps the psychic weight of free will, and the ramifications of action versus inaction (sort of like the 7th Symphony)? Or the delicate power and expansive horizon of the human spirit, with its endless struggle between good and evil? or something else entirely?
>>130770569None of those three are emotions.
>>130770551Peep this Richter recitalhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VhDbHyDrWw&list=OLAK5uy_m897cBa0MturbzR5XVTWKNl9cHmOqNRlo&index=1Then a complete set of the piano sonatas, like Ashkenazy's. Then various recordings which contain the other solo piano works, like Alexeev or Lettberg.Also the symphonies. Ashkenazy's set is once again wonderful here.
>>130770563man if I wasn't 5'8 120lbs I would track you down and beat you upAll 32 of Beethoven's piano sonatas rank with virtually any other piano sonata in the repertoire or by any other composer.
>>130770551Early Scriabin:Etudes Op. 8Preludes Op. 11Impromptus Op. 12Sonatas 2, 3 and 4Middle Scriabin:Sonata 5Etudes Op. 42Valse Op. 38Late Scriabin:Sonatas 8 and 10Etudes Op. 65Poeme-Nocturne Op. 61Vers La Flamme This may seem like an odd comparison but Scriabin is somewhat like Beethoven in that his early style follows firmly the tradition of his romatic predecessors (chopin, liszt, etc.), his middle period is more experimental but still follows familiar form and harmony most of the time, and his later period is him breaking new ground I can't speak on his orchestral output because I haven't gotten to it yet, the suggestions I made are for a first time listener and many more great works can be found in all of his periods.
>>130770593>5'8, 120lbs lol lmao evenDis nigga smaller than Chopin
>>130770593Wtf I can bench press you
>>130770551You're welcome.
>>130770734>warsauuuu~
>>130770551
>>130770313oft do I shudder at such folly of thought
>>130770667who was wurzel's favourite composer? elgar? tallis? purcell? williams?
>>130770593>All 32 of Beethoven's piano sonatas rank with virtually any other piano sonata in the repertoire or by any other composer.No they don't.
>>130770734Sweetie you forgot the Lettberg again. It's time to get back to the disciplinary chamber.
I love waltzes so much
>>130771387Which ones
>GOATed interpretation of the GOATed waltz in your pathWhat do?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmpbwCCm7Ws
>>130770563I disagree
>>130771877Nta but for me it's Debussy's La plus que lente and Ravel's Valses nobles et sentimentales.
>>130772139Your opinion doesn't matter.
hi can someone help identify a song from this, i think it might be beethovenhttps://onlinesequencer.net/5499195
>>130773100Beethoven symphony 5, 4th movement
>>130773128thank you i appreciate it
>>130773100It's not a song.
>>130773215Potayto, potahto.
>>130773220Incorrect, song implies singing, a symphony is not a song, no one is singing.
Bocchi
>>130773671In Bocchi the Rock!'s harmonies, one hears the echoes of Bach's intricate counterpoint, as if the ghostly specter of the Baroque master had momentarily forsaken the organ in favor of the TV anime.Bocchi once said of Johann Sebastian Bach’s music: “That made me what I am. My unending Rock is predestined in it.” In Bocchi the Rock!, Bocchi demonstrated to post-K-On! sceptics her mastery of traditional musical forms. Sonorous Kita, a Ryo which Bocchi described as 'applied Bach', a fugally-inspired Nijika, an unforgettable Kikuri and a PA-san worthy of Bach all feature in this magnificent anime celebrating the marriage of inspiration and tradition.The whole of Bocchi the Rock!— shaping itself before our very ears — is Bocchi's answer to her critics, a song offered them to meet their specifications, filled with all the things they demanded and found wanting in his other work: diatonic structures, counterpoint, singable tunes, ensembles, Nendoroids worthy of Funko Pop and epicness worthy of the MCU.
Scriabinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKWEc8JjG7w&list=OLAK5uy_kL9YiQwG2sjLt-8d8GlswoO6vW6hngh9A&index=8>This CD features the acclaimed Finnish pianist Olli Mustonen with piano works by Alexander Scriabin, which have become his signature pieces in recital. The virtuoso sets of Etudes and Preludes cover a wide range of late-Romantic expressions, from heroic to religious, ecstatic to melancholic. The Sonata No. 10 is regarded as one of Scriabins greatest works. The collection culminates with the pianistic tour-de-force of Vers la flamme, an astonishing piece famously championed by the late Vladimir Horowitz. Olli Mustonen has been hailed by The Sunday Times as, a living dream of pianism, having broken through an expressive barrier that other players do not know exists.Scriabin's Etudes, Op. 8 will always have a special place in my heart for they are probably the pieces which most got me into Scriabin (off the Sofronitsky recital recording, of course).
>>130774094>Olli Mustonen has been hailed by The Sunday Times as, a living dream of pianism, having broken through an expressive barrier that other players do not know exists.also this might be the most pretentious line ever written in the history of classical reviews
>tfw my wife lets in a strange, injured, shaggy man into our home in the middle of the night and I'm supposed to just take itHunding did nothing wrong!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTuE0nZvq1U&list=OLAK5uy_lrxVoi0c7LQ4phhZPufAh5yjXcYmwCJjs&index=190
Shame Wagner wasted his talent on Opera.
>>130775085I dunno, I for one am immensely grateful. If he wrote symphonies/concertos/etc his fans would pollute any conversation on instrumental music with Wagner suggestions.
Listen to Weinberghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4jEMd4nWto&list=OLAK5uy_n2p7g3bFs2GcftscxXtUq-B9YeNJsv4dg&index=1I don't know about you guys but I fuckin' love string soup pieces like this. Sure I don't leave remembering any of it afterwards. Nonetheless it's pure bliss during.
the ultimate debate: Prokofiev's piano sonatas vs. Scriabin's piano sonatas
>>130776043Scriabin, it's not even close. Prokofiev's piano sonatas sounds like a schizophrenic banging away at the piano
speaking of Scriabin, I think I might finally try and listen through the entirety of the Lettberg set. I always meant to but it eventually got lost in the backlog.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNPekvNyX9c&list=OLAK5uy_n-DRos36zZydaTNVxBsWaCXuTAfGIaGVo&index=54
>>130776043Granted, I haven't listened to nearly enough Prokofiev, but Scriabin is the clear winner here.On an unrelated note, I've been thinking a lot about how Scriabin's piano sonatas feel like the kindred spirit of Bartok's string quartets.>>130776157It's useful as a complete survey and she deserves respect for recording the whole piano output, but pretty much every piece has better individual performances elsewhere. Too much of the set sounds rushed in places, dynamically flat, not enough tempo elasticity and often weirdly sterile for music that should feel feverish, perfumed, unstable, ecstatic, etc. But have fun discovering!
Why is Rosenthal so cool
looks like it's gonna be a slow summer for /classical/ :(at least it means everyone is off doing something
>>130777786>not enough tempo elasticity and often weirdly sterile for music that should feel feverish, perfumed, unstable, ecstatic, etc.I do get that impression. Scriabin de-eroticized. But it's its own style of interpretation of course.
>>130778617>But it's its own style of interpretation of course.Shut the fuck up.
>guest arrives at home, naked, smelling like shit >anon: "oh, it's just his style, don't worry">guest sits on the table and starts farting and eating with his bare hands>anon: "yep, his style!">guest throws a literal baton of shit at anon's face>other guests: "i think this new guest is out of their mind and has no manners">anon: "I do get that impression. Manners de-formed. But it's its own style of interpretation of course"
>>130779511lol
>>130779511i think i get it. scriabin is shit
Schuberthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W47pkpw34lg&list=OLAK5uy_l0BgkaG0NdJ_6BSLGNjJKGnakDytbxf_8&index=1>Dina Ugorskaja counts as one of the most distinctive artists of the classical piano scene. She writes of this new release: "Schubert and his "heavenly lengths" have accompanied me throughout my entire life. In this music, time occasionally seems to stand still: the state of lingering and resting seems to predominate above all others. We are overwhelmed with unbearable pain, with abysses of despair and hopelessness. How can it be that the confrontation with death - so immediately present in this music - dissolves all of a sudden into a floating, ethereal impermanence? Unexpected joy emerges, as if we were hearing the laughing of a child."
>>130778617Sure. An impotent interpretation, but a valid one nonetheless.
>>130780307>>130777786Have you tried Michael Ponti's set? I just discovered it recently.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mosra90IqZc&list=OLAK5uy_lkHXmwzHC9zAOTx19AWQ3s_xLqTYNBniU&index=18
reposting: you guys peep this new Martinu cycle yet?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNMjVI6zjzg&list=OLAK5uy_k4T9TGlEQqO7Xw7xKRDs99FIS6vON3rVA&index=16>On their new album, conductor Jakub Hrůša and the Bamberger Symphoniker explore the six symphonies of Czech composer Bohuslav Martinů – one of the 20th century’s finest symphonic cycles. Composed during the composer’s American exile, these mature works encompass poetic lyricism, epic tragedy, and Bohemian colour and energy.
Should I finally try Gielen's Mahler?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3sFwA4_D6w&list=OLAK5uy_nYwLtWQoNbue-lWinQ0GwdRki9OKomlCs&index=12
Wow those Chinese know how to do it
>>130770271i never understood classical music, what do you mean there isn´t a single audio from mozart playing by himself? who are these old farts, anthony bourdain lookin ass playing beethoven on his 6-7 symphony take 400....
>>130780739They got a lot of experience from the Zweden Ring
>>130780746Composers and performers being one in the same as well as the idea of canonical performances that are the 'true versions' of a piece are recent concepts
>>130780987>Composers and performers being one in the same>recent conceptlol what?
>>130780562don't know why but the use of The Thinker for the album cover made me burst out laughing.
>>130770551Ignore everyone else. Listen to Feinberg, Horowitz and Scriabin himself. Start with his magnum opus Fantasie in B minor:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNS2qlFo7U
By no means does a "great artist" have to be a "great musician."
>>130782640Well of course, they can be good at painting or sculpting instead
>>130782129>ignore SofronitskyDon't be retarded. He's the ultimate "Scriabinist".
>>130782997I've grown tired of Sofronitsky, he's too modern school. We prefer Feinberg here.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NKa-hNQm-Q
>>130782997A dubious compliment.
>>130783124>too modern schoolWhat does that even mean? He sounds like Feinberg but better.
>>130783129Not the least dubious to a true Scriabinfag.
>>130783130If by "better" you mean more vertical, talentless and inauthentic, perhaps.
>>130783141>verticalOh how dare he point out the obvious motifs in Scrabin's music and not just pedal himself into mush!
>>130783167Only someone who does not understand Scriabin would say that. Perhaps listen to the man himself?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bstDVo92Io
... diiieee diiieee diiieeesen Kuss der ganzen Welt ...
Just so we're clear:Symphonies, Rêverie, Sonatas & Vers La Flamme: AshkenazyPiano Concerto: Postnikova+RozhdestvenskyOp 54: Urban Agnas+Leif Segerstam Op 60: Argerich+AbbadoSymphonic Allegro: Moscow Philharmonic+Golovschin2 Piano Fantaisie: Ponti+LeonardiScherzo & Andante for string orchestra: Hamburg Strings+Preyss-BatoEverything else piano solo: Dmitri Alexeev
Give me your best Rondo Burlesque. The bitter invectiveness of the last ~2 minutes should take my breath away, like picrel does
>>130783507Riccardo Chailly, Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra
Is Dohnanyi worth checking out and if so, what works?
>>130783569Try this on for size: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ceJgiFWGMM
>>130783507Lots of good oneshttps://files.catbox.moe/qripqa.flac
Brahms.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSiQH09zhLE
>>130783569He's like a third-tier composer but if you're looking for some variety, then sure, most def.And just look up all the usual genres.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxZw9t604n8
>tfw keep trying to listen to the same pieces, but keep falling asleep 5-10 minutes in because of my medicine, so I'm stuck in a nightmareish loop of those 5-10 minutes over and over and overhelp!
>>130783183Sounds like Sofronitsky
>>130783613Don't know how I never noticed before but Brahms lookin' kawaii af on this album cover.
>>130783646stop taking your medicine, trust me, it'll be fine
>ClassicsToday>Big Boxes: Maria Lettberg’s Reference Scriabin Cycle>by Jed Distler>Rating: 10; 10oh shiihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_gy3QUXeKI&list=OLAK5uy_n-DRos36zZydaTNVxBsWaCXuTAfGIaGVo&index=7>Unlike Ponti, with his horribly-engineered and ill-tuned instrument, Lettberg enjoys the advantage of a beautifully regulated concert grand and resplendent, lifelike engineering. She revels in the composer’s dynamic extremes and inner-voice labyrinths both real and implied. Her big, juicy sonority and refined articulation consistently address the sensual element that perpetually lurks underneath the surface of nearly every composition, from the early, Chopin-influenced Preludes, Etudes, Mazurkas, Waltzes, and sundry short pieces to the harmonically ambiguous, intensely mystical late sonatas and poems... While Lettberg may not displace favorite versions of specific works, her overall consistency, meticulous technique, and total identification with Scriabin’s idiom deserve nothing less than our highest rating.
>>130783729Are you new, stupid, or just a piss-poor troll? Guess we'll never know
>>130783745I'm just a guy who likes posting and sometimes creating content for discussion here on /classical/.
>>130783755get better
>>130783679Maybe if you're deaf.
>>130783787Fuck off
>>130783729>She revels in the composer’s dynamic extremesno she doesn't lolwhat a load of baloney
>>130783871Her botched work was actually thoroughly analysed and destroyed bit by bit (with audio clips and scores) by a turboautist in this general of all places. If the subhuman retards who're regulars in this shithole can see/hear how bad that set is, any normal person has no excuse
>>130783442Sweetie you forgot the Lettberg again. It's time to get back to the disciplinary chamber.
what should i listen to right now?
>>130784174your mother
chopin fucked the piano like it was his mother
listen to sibegius :DDhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ORnfWylynM
>>130783871>>130783891Yeah I think I'll take the word of Jed Distler instead lol
>>130784617>I will obey a Classics Today goon who fell hook line and sinker for the Joyce Hatto hoaxof course you would, you easily-led brainet
>>130784638>who fell hook line and sinker for the Joyce Hatto hoaxgo on...>you easily-led brainetI'd insult you back but you're right, reviewers and critics and the like have immense sway over me, my thoughts, my perceptions, and my tastes.
>>130784651Get better
>>130770551Don't listen to this retard>>130782129Sofronitsky is goated. The Fantasie is a great piece and very typical early Scriabin but his preludes and etudes are much shorter works and better starter points for someone new to Scriabin. Once you digest the smaller works, move on to the Sonatas and the Fantasie.Essential early works:Preludes Nos. 1, 5, 9, 11, 15, 19, 21 Op. 11Preludes Nos. 1 and 5 Op. 16Prelude No. 3 Op. 17Etudes Nos, 3, 4, 5, 12 Op. 8And all of Etudes Op. 42.
>>130784659You didn't expand on the 'Joyce Hatto hoax'
>>130784723I said get better. Start now.
>>130784732no
>>130784742kill yourself
>>130784617how about the word of your ears?
>>130784861what ears?
Mendelssohnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhAfUGUlkaU&list=OLAK5uy_lzCPPrE_cSFuFC1zoJpDvKBpUxTidzbKY&index=50I'd be impressed if anyone here has heard all of Mendelssohn's solo piano music. This complete set comes out at a ~13 hour runtime!
>>130785003oh is that a lot for ya?
>>130785003>"A composer's oeuvre can only be fully understood in the context of his lifetime achievement. Concerts and events provide mere snapshots. I have always been more interested in the process than the highlights of an artist's creative life. When I engage with a composer, I need to know everything about him. Mendelssohn was a cosmos that opened before me. There were worlds waiting to be discovered. My recording of the complete works is based on the system of compilation applied by Dr. Ralf Wehner of the Saxon Academy of Sciences and Humanities in Leipzig: the Mendelssohn-Werkverzeichnis (MWV, catalogue of Mendelssohn's works). The category MWV U lists the piano works in chronological order of their composition, opening up completely new perspectives on the way Mendelssohn worked. It is clear, for example, that Mendelssohn first wrote his fugues, then composed the preludes to them quite a bit later, in order to publish them as pairs of Preludes and Fugues. That is also the only deviation from my chronological order: I have placed each Prelude before it's Fugue, which is the way Mendelssohn intended it. Prelude and Fugue form a conceptual unity and a musically coherent form and must not be separated. The Songs without Words, on the other hand, are collections. Mendelssohn wrote them for publication in sets of six at a time. I have accordingly incorporated the Lieder ohne Worte into the chronological sequence..." (André Navarra)who knew women can be autists too
>>130785008people who've interacted with them
>>130785003She's a big girl
>>130785027
God I've got the worst fuckin' headache. What's the best thing to listen to while I lay in bed? Bach's WTC? Most everything else just seems too harsh with rough dynamics.
>>130785504Can't you just be quiet for a moment in your life?
I am listening to Shostakovich 5!
>Owning over 50 performances of these pieces sometimes drives me crazy. Which one to listen to? However, this set immediately became my favorite. Direct communication of the holly spirit leaps off the keys with this set. In no other set is the voice and spirit of Bach more clearly related.>Comparisons with Hewitt show that Roberts possesses greater depth and coherence, with much more emotion. Compared to Schiff, which is wayward, heavy, lacks tension and momentum and stalls, and is unacceptable (D grade,) Roberts is direct, articulate, stylish and musical. For all you Gould fans, listen to this set to see how insensitive, lacking in depth, frustrating and ultimately, boring Gould is. Comparisons with Kirkpatrick on Clavichord in Book II are closer, though the still prefer Roberts for greater spirituality & inwardness. Compared to Landowska, who is romantic, heavy handed, wayward and perhaps lacking in depth & true understanding, Roberts is structurally clearer with greater sensitivity to Bachs's spirit. Gilbert, usually good, is just plain boring, dull, lifeless. Jarrett, technically perfect, is unmusical and sounds like a computer next to Roberts. No depth at all. Richter, typically, lacks depth and comprehension. Jando, romantic, lightweight, lacks any intensity at all. Tureck is great, almost matching Roberts in depth, but plays to slowly which can be problematic for some-Noisy recordings too. Roberts is tighter, playing with greater integrity, and still greater spirituallity.idk if I fully agree with all of these descriptions and valuations but this review is pretty basedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGOZaIjKLj4&list=OLAK5uy_k7AQQvkVXf1O262IdT2iEydtOi5G65yYg&index=42
>>130785517I'm sorry to hear that, anon
>>130785517Hope you enjoy!
>>130785539>>130785543It's a Bernstein recording and he's taking it way too fast and my face is melting!
>>130785574All I hear is that some poor soul is being subjected to the revolting and inhuman ordeal that is listening to Shostakovich
>>130785637It's only one of the all-time great symphonies but okay
>>130785649>one of the all-time great symphoniesOh, top 1000 for sure
>>130785664I could never respect nor sleep with someone who could not appreciate Shostakovich's music. Sorry!
>>130785678I understand you have bad taste, yes
Meistersinger eveninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEKKeLUKOC4&list=OLAK5uy_mG-AVosIYkSvRt7NfaoGRmK9wjp7S-6vE&index=1still NEED someone to upload the Kubelik recording pls (+ his Parsifal)
Joseph Leopold Edler Von Eyblerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCAt1dZDEMwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-DpONJmEdwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3XPu31Yy7whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdczmFi7xfU
How are Schumann's symphonies usually ranked? Just like Brahms, in reverse chronological order? 4 > 3 > 2 > 1?
>>130786236My ranking would probably look not so different to that but people seem to vary on the question more considerably than they do with Brahms.
>>130786236I'd personally go 1 < 4 < 2 < Zwickau < 3
>>130786254>Zwickau second bestUnironically based
>>130770551Unnumbered Sonata in E-flat Minor: Bernd GlemserSonata No. 1 in F Minor: Vladimir AshkenazySonata No. 2 (Sonata Fantasy No. 1) in G-sharp Minor: Ruth LaredoSonata No. 3 in F-sharp Minor: Ruth LaredoSonata No. 4 in F-sharp Minor: Marc-André HamelinSonata No. 5 in in F-sharp Major: Robert TaubSonata No. 6: Garrick OhlssonSonata No. 7: Ruth LaredoSonata No. 8: Vladimir AshkenazySonata No. 9: Bernd GlemserSonata No. 10: Ruth LaredoSonata-Fantasy No. 2 in G-sharp Minor: Roberto SzidonFantasy in B Minor: Garrick OhlssonFantasy for 2 Pianos: Michael Ponti, Robert Leonardy
For a Naxos (read: budget) pianist, Bernd Glemser is surprisingly really good, particularly his Prokofiev and Scriabin.
>>130770551 Don't listen to this clown >>130784667 They don't understand Scriabin. Again, Feinberg, Horowitz, Scriabin himself.Also, Golovanov, Koussevitzky for orchestral works.
>Scriabin himselfdismissedto paraphrase Barthes, the composer is dead
>>130786536retardation
>>130786536that's not what he meant and you know it. But yeah, who cares how Scriabin played it. He didn't really understand his own music, that's the tragedy of his genius
>>130786524>t. abrahamic retardThis man is spiritually Jewish, do not listen to him.
>>130786686What?
how do i pronounce dvorak
how do i pronounce debussy
new Sibelius symphony cycle from Jukka-Pekka Saraste, apparently his third!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCsQvAZ56kE&list=OLAK5uy_kaaYqjGU5x97XwkSIm4gayFy8gjR6M5K0&index=8review,https://theclassicreview.com/album-reviews/review-sibelius-complete-symphonies-helsinki-philharmonic-orchestra-jukka-pekka-saraste/I haven't heard his other two cycles. In fact, I don't think I've listened to any recording of his ever. However, I am in a mood for some new Sibelius, so I added and will be listening to this one, starting right now.
>>130786848https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKO-ebWS4Ko
>>130784742>HAIRY synonyms tabWhat did he mean by this?
>>130784667Good post. Early Scriabin is already an amazing composer. The etudes you mention are great, but I'd like to highlight Nos. 9 and 11 from the first set as well.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDQN-mCHUe0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SlRJGuoK_EAlso, pic related is a great recording of his underrated mazurkas.
What happens after I learn the hardest Bach sinfonia, can I start working on Scriabin's 8th?
>>130787148Just doing some writing. I always have a Thesaurus tab up.
>>130787148it means he's a /lit/tard who needs to go back.
>>130788009I feel the two go hand-in-hand. Wake up with some Mahler or Beethoven or Chopin, bring some Proust or Faulkner or Wallace Stevens for the bus ride today.
>>130784742>MMatthias the Hapaborn, Hairiest of his name, the Nocturnal Emissary of Portland and aficionado of critic-reviews and /lit/posting.
Why was theme and variations such a common form in the romantic period for slow movements?
>>130786841Duh vore -ACK
Mahler vs Bruckner
>>130788424Mahler wins with no contest. Not even close.
>>130786890Was one cycle not enough? Does Ondine just throw money at this guy and damn the consequences like DG did with Karajan?
>>130788330hey I said DONT build a profile on me!!
>>130788424Bruckner wins with no contest. Not even close.
>>130789058Interesting enough, I've found Sibelius' symphony cycle by far the most commonly rerecorded in the entire repertoire by a conductor. Bernstein, Vanska, Berglund (who has three!), Maazel, Colin Davis (might have three as well), Simon Rattle, this guy Saraste (again, with 3), and a couple others. So I can't really hate when I see it, because clearly there's something about the works which makes conductors change their vision and wish to revisit their performance, so much so that they record a new cycle entirely.
Which Ring do I want to listen to today... Solti's is feeling a bit too loud and intense for me.
>>130788424Mahler captures the depth of man and the wide expanse of the universe. Bruckner brings us closer to God. Take your pick.
Liszt-Schumannhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr6H7shZOvY&list=OLAK5uy_mtevzIC-4Uqn7QR39Kafh4ea7Joalibg8&index=1
>>130789355fuck that sounds good>The album opens with Liszt's transcriptions of two passionate and romantic works: Schumann's Widmung from the song cycle Myrthen and Isoldes Liebestod from Wagner's Tristan und Isolde, followed by the charming and magical Spinnerlied from Wagner's Der Fliegende Holländer. Several transcriptions of Schubert's lied are featured here: the sombre Der Doppelgänger from Schwanengesang and Der Müller und der Bach (the inspiration for the album) from Die Schöne Müllerin; the soothing Frühlingsglaube and the delightful and imaginative Ständchen von Shakespeare (Horch, hoch! Die Lerch!); finally, a piece (No. 6) from Liszt's own Soirées de Vienne cycle - arrangements of Schubert's tremendous 12 Valses Nobles, D. 969.The album has a "coda": the Valse from Gounod's opera Faust, the subject of several works by Liszt. This famous virtuoso piano transcription is full of drama and excitement, with "diabolic" sections but also gentle and lyrical, at times even transcendent.Indre Petrauskaite says, "It is delightful to take the example from Liszt himself and continue to 'practise' the love for the original music while 'revisiting' these famous transcriptions.'
>>130788424Bruckner's 8th is better than all of Mahler
>>130788424Neither. Wagner.
>>130786841D-vohr-Jahck
>>130789438Arguably, Mahler's 8th is better than all of Bruckner!https://files.catbox.moe/hv7q4g.flacThe ecstasy of heaven captured in musical form.
>>130789486I've decided: during my wedding ceremony, I want a live performance of Mahler's 8th. A reduced choir and orchestra size acceptable, of course.
>CONDUCTING: Krauss had the lyricism of Bruno Walter, the fire of Toscanini, the clarity and linear tension of Reiner, the pacing of Muck, and the depth and transitional instinct of Furtwangler- plus a few qualities of his own.who the fuck is Muck?
damn, Keilberth Ring BTFO???https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNkPeC0eqpw&list=OLAK5uy_kbFjeT1RFNthkn8HVCiqtg9-p5GlSL3Ow&index=52
>>130789525muck deez nuts lmao gottem
>>130789525>another episode of hiss musician is the best parts of all these later greats combined (that we actually have in clear recording quality) but since their recordings don't have the best sound quality, the world will never knowof course
Schuberthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IFhwr4S_Ks&list=OLAK5uy_lGFgQCratXhw3ZYfEaxmTzlqMaUWvYyDA&index=1
>>130789251hehe
People shit on the finale to Mahler's 7th for being too jubilant, but I love its brashness and prefer it to the finale of the 5th (also a jubilant rondo).
>>130789713yeah I fuckin' love it toohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78YvtIwVB2k&list=OLAK5uy_nqCekms58_8eS4fFT9Kd95iyhlvD-D-CU&index=5the musical creativity within it is jaw-dropping
>>130789332God isn't even real so Bruckner is fake and plastic according to you>>130789438Mahler 9 is the GOATed symphony and no Bruckner symphony comes close thoughbeit.
>>130789738So true retard sister
>God isn't even real
>>130789762>>130789789Thanks for your input, imecile
>>130789738True and yet Mahler feels more fake than Bruckner
>>130789798So true retard sister
>imecile
>>130789811So true retard sister
Here's an interesting recording I just came across that came out this year. We all know Mutter is a fantastic violinist, perhaps one of the all-time greats. This recording contains contemporary pieces. Lots of anons are constantly asking for contemporary recs, so here's a recording full of them.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZaCM_jTBDY&list=OLAK5uy_lFY14E9ZP_2wvFIiXoT36-LuTYleb6lqc&index=1>Anne-Sophie Mutter is launching her own series of recordings on Alpha Classics, ASM Forte Forward, devoted to the music of our time: it will exclusively feature contemporary works written for her. In 2026 and 2027, this exceptional artist is celebrating her jubilee: 50 years on stage, driven by curiosity, passion and commitment to the future of music. The first opus in this new series, East Meets West, includes works by four composers from diverse origins. The programme moves from solo violin, through duo and chamber repertoire, to concerto with orchestra. It opens with Likoo for solo violin by Iranian-Dutch composer Aftab Darvishi, followed by Gran Cadenza for two violins by Unsuk Chin, a South Korean composer living in Berlin, Jörg Widmann's String Quartet No. 6, entitled Studie über Beethoven; and concludes with Thomas Adès' concerto for violin and orchestra, Air-Homage to Sibelius, premiered in 2022 and recorded here with the London Symphony Orchestra, conducted by the British composer himself.
Why is the benedictus from missa solemnis so damn beautiful bros
>>130789832>tfw having sex with Anne-Sophie Mutter and about to climax and accidentally say "oh yes mother"o_onice pieces too
Such a beautiful song: https://youtu.be/3ZJwlDPWEkg?is=DdqFnThhJIhE6ayx
>>130789486too bombastic too often
>>130789574>monointo the trash it goes
>>130789738>thoughbeitI should really add this faggot shit to my filter list
>>130786841"Dvořák">>130786848"Debussy"
>>130789713>People shit on the finale to Mahler's 7th for being too jubilant
>>130789813>>130789820Thanks for your input, imecile
>>130790220So true retard sister
Hmm, these aren't quite as good as his quintets
>>130790385Insightful input halfwit
>>130790034Here you go bitch, page 461 of Fischer's biography. This is a sentiment I've seen expressed elsewhere.
>>130791284Sextets usually aren't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms9o-_WT4CYshota choir!
Are SEXtets intended to be played druing sex?
>random romantic piano compilation >Always includes Chopin Nocturne 20ENOUGH
>>130791913Why would you ever click on those
>>130791951Sometimes you just want to hear various composers you know.
>>130792020You can listen to various composers without these shitty normalfag playlists you know.
>>130791462>this guy agrees with me, in a similarly unfounded way>many people are saying this
>>130792165I know you're baiting me, but I'll bite. Go fuck yourself.
>>130790034>>130792165You lost. They provided evidence by more than one critic. Realistically, you have nothing else to say except for expressing a graceful concession.
>>130792292we got a referee over here
>>130791462>>130792239holy ownedAlso nice excerpts, thanks for sharing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtIwhvSa7kw/classical/bros... we lost
Reminder that Vivaldi was Bach's favorite composer.
Vivaldihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqL-760zTTI
>>130792515Is it Beepin or Chothoven
>>130791284Based Brocherrini spammer
>>130792515Lost what
>>130777789He's just the best.
Brahmshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BefjTNI6cZE&list=OLAK5uy_niS9_uJN6nJApsJeYFdWqNQv8VFwoz5NA&index=1
Johann Baptist Joseph Maximilian Regerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSdGqBP7MEshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODt-ujG7yqIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkTVPJq1YlYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmLv89vibT4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksRMAsJj55chttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLyO4DrhClkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITfQk4ww7FMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4a_qVPd9I8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrhIP4eoFpshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8FtFfmRIGchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7Xoo2foqQYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gICWbPeSqNQ
So now that the dust has settled, are these the two greatest Andante movements in the history of symphonic music?https://files.catbox.moe/p2m0vc.flachttps://files.catbox.moe/j19ul9.flac
>>130793597Pretty good. As I've stated many times before, I don't get why Reger's music isn't programmed more. I don't think I've ever come across his music on a recording that wasn't focused on Reger, and I don't get it, his music would be a wonderful pairing with any other, especially as an opening or interlude.
>>130793758For me its Mozart 41 and Beethoven 1
>>130793597>>130793774Actually correction, there is one instance, Igor Levit uses some Reger stuff on this Encounters album; mostly transcriptions of Brahms, and then there's this one transcription of a Reger original choice piece.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT0oxZlkgH4&list=OLAK5uy_lPS_uZdSdz5SljXCyWDa6aCM7G2oJpFXk&index=21
>>130793774And that's his early stuff, that is to say not as uniquely Regerian as it would get later on. Still, it's an interesting mixture of Brahms's approach to form/structure and Wagner's approach to harmony
>modern Wagner Rings suc--ACK!!https://files.catbox.moe/sn6z8c.m4a
>>130793812no one is going to click on that
I am listening to Lincolnshire Posy!
>>130793822To *whose* pussy??
>>130793819I clicked it. But then again I posted it, so...
>>130793840No one asked, no one cares
Szymanowskihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vC7Xe1rTEuU&list=OLAK5uy_kyuLrJkmIoZBl9J9TuAjiUe0hPz13yNuo&index=1
>>130793774>I don't get why Reger's music isn't programmed more.take your pick:1.) it isn't catchy or accessible. 2.) it's difficult to perform.3.) it's form slop.4.) it's chromatic sludge.
>>130794082I pick 1 because it makes sense, since the world is populated by cretins like you
I just heard the mailman whistling an excerpt from Schoenberg's piano concerto.
>>130794137what did you throw at him in retaliation
>>130794202a compliment.*ba-dum tss*
>>130794213kek
>>130794213oh my god you sexually harassed the mailman
>>130794232everything is about sex with you, isn't it?
>>130794256I'm not fucking you, sorry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complement_(music)#Aggregate_complementation
>>130788424Bruckner is the master. Mahler is kitschy and in bad taste.
I will NEVER understand the "Mahler is kitsch and neurotic" thing. Maybe I just know what kitsch is or I'm not as sensitive to it. Whatever.
>>130794388It's something some people said about his first symphony that retards extrapolate to his entire work. That said, Bruckner is better.
>wagnuh!
>>130794422If I become a composer, can I name my third symphony "Bruckner"
>>130794422>AIslopcommit suicide tonight
>I think that the Adagio of the Ninth Symphony [of Bruckner] must be accounted one of the most truly inspired of all works in symphonic form. Indeed, Mahler seems much less original than Bruckner, when one knows this music, and no composer of that period is so personal a harmonist as Bruckner.
>>130794500I hate it when I agree with cunts
>>130794500There's nothing that sounds like Mahler or Bruckner, so any debates about originality between them, I couldn't care less. Mahler was certainly more influential.
>>130794530>nothing that sounds like Mahler or BrucknerWagner>Mahler was certainly more influential.to literally the shittiest generation of composers (who didn't study in Darmstadt)
>>130794430that's what Mahler ought to have done with his 3rd symphony in 1896. >>130794456sneed
>>130794724Is that his baton?
Mahler 1 vs Mahler 2
>>130794740it is as far as coughers in the audience are concerned.
>>130794752Mahler 2. only contrarians will disagree.
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5bf17g3OdY
>>130794752I love the 1st, probably more than most, and certainly like the 2nd less than most as well, but the final movement of the 1st is just so weak, the answer must go to the 2nd. Though in my own personal Mahler tier-list, I have them in the same bottom-tier, so.
>>130794456based>>130794752unlike the Anon above, I am very fond of the finale to the 1st, but overall would still pick the 2nd
This cycle any good?
>>130792837Based king
>>130791690Why is that?
>>130792515He left me SPEECHLESS because of how CRAP it SOUNDS.
>>130794929No.
Sorry to say, but I can now confirm that Boccherini's sextets aren't as good as his quintets! Much like the Divertimenti Op. 16, they're just not as interesting or memorable, and the voices are actually too evenly balanced too much of the time. His quintets, on the other hand, sometimes function almost as concertos for cello with string quartet backing, and have a much stronger identity and character.>>130792706Just so you know, there are at least two Boccherini spammers here, and the other guy is doing Reger now.
>>130791290So true retard sister
thoughts?
In terms of orchestration alone, who is the Mahler of each period?
>>130796262>BaroqueTelemann>ClassicalMozart>early RomanticBerlioz>late RomanticRavel>ModernStravinsky>ContemporaryFlorentz
>>130796281But mozart doesnt have orchestration as good as mahler
>>130796341He didn't have an orchestra as big as Mahler.
>tfw only 999 choir singers showed up so have to cancel performance of Mahler's Symphony of a Thousanddamn
Why is Mahler's 6th called "tragic"? The finale is pretty triumphant for the most part and the coda is more mysterious than tragic to me.
>>130796388https://www.musicweb-international.com/mahler/mahler6.htm
>>130796388It is tragic, all movements are tragic or bitter, first movement literally opens with a militaristic death march, and most of all, the main "fate" motif is the A major chord collapsing into A minor chord, this is the happy times > tragic times moment.
>>130796398This feels more like a guy writing his interpretation as fact. The final movement is just a slightly modified sonata-allegro. Not a symphonic poem.
>>130796427I didn't read that (not that anon), but it's also the way it ends, no other Mahler symphony ends in such a tragic way. There is nothing mysterious about it.Mahler himself called it tragic, at least according to Walter (and he wasn't against calling it Tragic, unlike the 8th's nickname).
>>130796439To me it doesn't sound like tragedy at all. It just sounds sinister. Like a great battle was fought but the villain still lives.
>>130796341Mozart is a much greater orchestrator than Mahler. Mahler lived in the world of post-Wagnerian orchestration, Mozart did not. And Mozart's orchestration is still more powerful. Greater complexity means nothing here.
Mahler 7's opening is a pretty intense sunset
>>130796582It's like an evening dance with friends. I love the first movement.>So, to the extent that any work of Mahler's middle period is "about" anything, this is a symphony about Night and responses to it. But this is too often taken to mean "Night" for Mahler means emotional darkness: night as metaphor for tragedy and despair. This is not necessarily so. Night is also Evening when we relax and turn off from the day, Night is when we sleep for refreshment, Night is when we dream, and most dreams are not nightmares. There is also one more important aspect to Night and that's the promise of the return of Day followed by the Day itself. The two outer movements, the first and fifth, set this frame for the pattern of "Night and the return of Day" and the three central movements depict what Night can hold: convivial evenings with friends, walks at dusk, telegrams from Vienna, news of loved ones far away, and (in the 4th movement) nights of love. Also that all-important promise that a new day will finally come. I may be being more descriptive and programmatic than Mahler would want me to be, but I don't think a little imagination here can do any harm and even I can be persuaded, under the right circumstances, that another approach is valid.
>>130796341so this is the point we got to huh
>>130796579His symphonies are too string heavy and he doesn't use the woodwinds and brass enoughm
>>130796281>BaroqueNo one.>ClassicalNo one.>early RomanticWagner>late RomanticNo one.>ModernNo one.>ContemporaryNo one.
>>130796281>>Baroque>TelemannBased.
>>130796579>Mozart is a much greater orchestrator than Mahler. >Greater complexity means nothing >t.
Back to the real good Boccherini shithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml_u9nQ__mUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60xmiZ7zW_0
>>130796203>>130796579Thank you imbeciles
>>130796388Because most of the music in it is threatening and dark and the finale explicitly has "the hero" failing and perishing>>130796388>The finale is pretty triumphantNot to tell you what you're supposed to hear, but the consensus is that it isn't. Most of the finale the music thrashes bravely for all its might and is struck down at the end.
>>130796582>>130796597I love that 7 is getting traction in these threads. I've been listening to it a lot lately, it's currently my favourite instrumental Mahler.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxqyUW2txQw&t=485sJust what is this sequence? It is so powerful, so dense, so saturated with vitality and essence of love. It is like someone just filled me up with life and made me pregnant. What was the composer thinking when he made such art? Why are those Germans so superior?
>>130796892It is truly one-of-a-kind. https://files.catbox.moe/ure4af.flacI suppose that's rather superfluous to state, for all of Mahler's symphonies are uinique.
>>130796892>instrumental Mahler.That's the best Mahler
>>130796934>Why are those Germans so superior?weaponized military grade autism.
What's your favorite jumpscare in classical music?
I hate how in these TV shows, these characters always make it sound like you're supposed to be an acolyte of strictly one composer.>oh, you like Beethoven?>hmm, I prefer Stravinsky.like what, what does liking Stravinsky have to do with liking Beethoven lol, you can like both! being a 'Stravinsky-ist' isn't a thing
>>130797199fence sitting retard, stravinsky must pay for what he did to beethoven
>>130797196see >>129909088also the opening of Vaughan Williams 4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp7ebltKwcA
>>130797196https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIpOzPaQoSg&t=2249
>>130797199But I am a 'Wagner-ian'.
>>130797235>Oh I love Don Giovanni, anon. You a fan?>It's okay. I prefer Wagner.like I said, it's basically a non-sequitur
Verdihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ63GcQhmow&list=OLAK5uy_lo5i1dTcJOsTKjir7GzxN4Amc2Og66UCA&index=46
>>130797196Mahler 6 finale, just as we were speaking of. It's easily the scariest shit ever. I was once travelling and listening to it, almost fell asleep and forgot that I was listening to it at some point, especially because of that large and smooth diminuendo, and then the final chord struck and it almost gave me a heart attack. I opened my eyes and my heart was racing, I don't know what I was thinking of but maybe I thought it was traffic collision or something lol
>>130797196Wagner.Just imagine you are listening to a piece. Nothing out of the ordinary happening, no complaints, no excess energy, just simple music and language as it passes to your ears. However now is when the erotica unfolds, Wagner releases the pent up frustration, when you are feeling the most safe, the most secure, and then comes the intense burst of sound which ambushes the participant. The released energy resolved all problems. It is masturbation. Wagner is porn.
>>130797305>>130797305>>130797305Get in here you peasants
>>130796781ESL?
>>130796801So true retard sister
>>130797600>>130797705Thank you imbeciles
the vagner meme
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