>>130796123
Knights In Satan's Service. Only Cuckgau would be so clueless not to know that.

>>130796136
no it's *offensive racial slur for Jewish people* In Shitty Spandex

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>>130796143
who you calling a kike, nigga?

>>130796123
Eminem but for 70s instead of 00s middle schoolers. They were alright in middle school but everyone quickly grew out of them and moved onto music of greater substance.

>>130796123
last part is actually almost true, Gene said he wanted to call the band just "Fuck" but ofc they had to go with something more commercial

I like their hits but Gene is a major piece of shit.

>>130796123
KISS were a lot of fun at their peak, great live shows and whatnot but by 77 i think their schtick had already been superseded by punk and just looked silly. they lost it after the four solo albums and by the 80s were a washed-up joke with revolving door members and mediocre hair metal slop. They should have retired by the 90s definitely instead of becoming a lame nostalgia/cash grab act with two aging retards in platform boots over the age of 60 and still singing about teen sluts.

>>130796200
it was like flipping a switch in 78 and suddenly they were uncool. Partly it was the inter-band conflict that led to the year off recording as a band and the decision to concentrate on solo albums. These were released in the wake of the ill-advised TV movie which was generally panned by (adult) critics. The albums underperformed against expectations.

>>130796211
Like a lot of their peers they were burned out from overwork and rock star excess, especially Ace and Peter.

one of those bands which middle schoolers loved and which inexplicably has adult defenders. as anon said just like Eminem or something but for 70s kids--lame cheesy shock antics. they were ok for 11 yos but tf could a grown adult possibly get out of them. also they had the dumbest and most tacky album covers in existence.

>>130796285
>also they had the dumbest and most tacky album covers in existence
Nah that honor goes to Wet Willie.

I find Gene's douchebaggery hard to look past. Maybe he wasn't wrong when he said they're a brand not a band. if the music was good enough i would accept that but it isn't.

>>130796300
Lots of bands are like that. Metallica are no different. Bunch of jaded old men who have to perform songs every night they wrote when they were edgy kids and which they've long since grown out of, and to them it's a business not the early days in the Bay Area metal clubs when they were bros who wanted to rock out and stuff.

>>130796123
i don't hate KISS and they were ok enough in their prime, but they are very easy to hate. their output up to Love Gun was at least passable if you could shut your brain off for a bit. I find Paul Stanley's on stage WWF style self promoting and pandering banter to be among the most embarrassing things in the history of rock, Gene's behavior too, as if he purposely wants to live up to every Jewish stereotype in the book.

their cartoony image probably distracted from Ace's legitimate guitar skills. All four guys were decent baritone singers, Stanley being technically best, and Criss probably having the best natural voice. All of their classic 70s albums have anthems, but also songs that are turbo cringe. the lyrics without exception are all cringe-inducing.

i'm old and was in high school back when they hit. i was hugely into the Beatles, Yes, Hendrix, Procol Harum, Allman Brothers, Traffic, Alice Cooper, and thought KISS were dreck. couldn't see the appeal at all. my 2 year younger brother and his friend were completely obsessed with them. it's bizarre how such a small age difference could result in diametrically opposed music tastes. i was also furious when he taped over my Spooky Tooth cassette with KISS.

The unmasked 80s "Lick it up" era was utterly dire and pointless.

>>130796123
RARO is my least favorite of the classic 70s albums not because of the songs themselves but Eddie Kramer's production.

>>130796581
why that? the album sounds like back-to-basics after Ezrin's symphonic bombast on Destroyer.

>>130796604
I just don't like Kramer. If I like an album he produced it's because of the songs not his very sterile production.

>>130796604
RARO was supposed to be the sound the band wanted on the first two albums but weren't able to get.

>>130796530
I'm old too, my personal KISS story was showing a friend a picture of them in a magazine (was it Kerrang?) in 82 when Creatures of the Night was out, and he had never heard a note of their music before but knew they sucked, because he said any band that looked like them was automatically going to be garbage.

never did a thing for me. even in that particular glam rock niche they were always low-tier. i love all of the classic Alice Cooper Band albums and they had better playing and more varied, interesting songwriting. KISS always for comparison felt very superficial and simplistic, at least what i heard of them never bothered to dig deeper. i get they have their fans but they're welcome to have them, i get nothing from them.

>>130796123
No one ever cared about KISS in Europe outside Scandinavia a little bit. European audiences are not that much into "the show" as America is.

>>130796708
that's not the impression i got. The American bands, outside of KISS, rarely went over the top with their shows. Skynyrd, Allman's, Ramones, The Dead, CCR, The Byrds were pretty straight forward while the UK bands like the Stones, Slade, Bowie, Roxy Music, Queen...were more interested in showmanship, costumes, makeup and glamming it up, more theatrics than American bands.

>>130796718
More like KISS were a thirdhand copy of what bands like Slade did earlier and better.

KISS started off kind of cool as this edgy NYC band and the first few albums were pretty good hard rock until the Ezrin-produced bombast of Destroyer and the band increasingly looking like the Muppet show. not cool at all to a high school kid. RARO was an improvement, but then Love Gun was more cheese with a stupid cover and included cheesy gimmick, plus the songs got worse topped by a horrendous Crystals cover. then my brother bought Gene's solo album and it was so bad that was pretty much the end, we didn't want the rest (we later ended up getting them as cutouts). gave them one last shot with Dynasty before calling it quits.

also they got out of their way to embarrass themselves like Paul Stanley on America's Got Talent wearing a half-shirt/sports bra in his 60s. dude, please, don't.

>>130796708
nobody in the UK ever liked KISS or took them seriously, they were laughed at

>>130796178
He is. Him and Paul did Ace and Peter bad.

Otherwise not a huge fan despite two of my favorite bands either being friends with or huge fans of Kiss, Rush and The Melvins.

>>130796285
KISS were clever at marketing themselves in the early days as a band your parents would love to hate. Gene said that his mother couldn't stand the Beatles when they were on Ed Sullivan and he thought it was important for a good rock band to offend the adults. Unfortunately he missed the other side of the equation which is that if 11 year olds start liking you then 16 year olds won't.

>>130796893
Ace was as much of a douchebag so they all really deserved each other.

>>130796784
they were really dumping the product, a new LP every six months. The irony is that they were to release the Alive 2 album first, to give the band a break, instead they plowed right into creating Love Gun. the band was a huge pop culture phenomena by 77 with merch everywhere, clearly targeted at younger kids. even a 13 yo could kind of see through how a lot of their schtick wasn't about the music.

after that they released the four solo albums none of which were very good followed by a shitty TV movie and Dynasty which was capped by a cheesy roller disco single nobody was going to play in a high school parking lot.

i get the hate but these guys up to 77 were some of the hardest working people in rock. Geddy Lee agreed, he said KISS were super nice and bros to them in comparison to Aerosmith who basically treated Rush like dog doo you scraped off your sneakers.

>>130796964
>i get the hate but these guys up to 77 were some of the hardest working people in rock. Geddy Lee agreed, he said KISS were super nice and bros to them in comparison to
lol they were Jews why wouldn't they be bros with them?

>>130796636
Ken Kerner and Richie Wise (who produced Hotter Than Hell) were really inept and made the album sound like shit. It's no shock that they weren't asked to produce DTK. The actual songs on HTH were good enough for the fans to embrace them despite the bad production.

>>130797032
and HTH?

>>130797153
*DTK I mean sorry

>>130797183
Better than HTH but still pretty weak. KISS had some bad luck with the producers on their early albums.

>>130796784
>also they got out of their way to embarrass themselves like Paul Stanley on America's Got Talent wearing a half-shirt/sports bra in his 60s. dude, please, don't.

That was bad.

>fake Peter using drum pads on his kit
>there was a pick scrape but neither Paul or fake Ace were responsible
>Paul's voice sounded unusually good for how he'd been recently so I have to assume it was a backing tape and he wasn't singing live, a disgrace for a band who always prided themselves on their live shows

>>130796784
>KISS were 70s One Direction blah blah blah and not what cool sophisticates listened to
i'd be wondering exactly what this rock for sophisticated adults was because while KISS had some pretty childish songwriting most 70s rock was hardly any better barring a few exceptions like Genesis or Neil Young and most of it was just about rocking out and getting laid, especially the bands that were KISS's peers.

>>130797273
afaik it wasn't until 79 that they got fully typecast as a kiddie band. Paul Stanley said himself that the audience went from the average 70s rock crowd to parents there with their 5th graders.

>>130796530
>My 2 year younger brother and his friend were completely obsessed with them. it's bizarre how such a small age difference could result in diametrically opposed music tastes.

it always seemed to me that the dividing line was being born in 1966 or later, maybe a year or two difference but not more than that. if you were born in 66 (maybe 65, certainly no earlier than 64) then KISS were the coolest thing on the planet and you bought their lunchboxes and knew your parents and church denounced them. if you were older then they were just a noxious kiddie bubblegum rock group and all their merch slop made them seem non-legitimate.

>>130797386
What specific target audience (age range) do you think KISS were focusing on...and do you think it changed over the course of their career?

>>130797399
i'm old and i was there. their audience was really male. teenage guys loved their shock antics, raunchy songs, and general crassness. girls didn't listen to them at all aside from Beth. I think that by the late 70s the band was exhausted and also dealing with substance abuse issues.

same two people replying to each other for the entire thread and pretending to be multiple people

>>130797386
funny to say that because my cousin was born in 62 and he was 13 when they first got big so he was right in their target audience and a lot of his friends were into KISS. his brother was too old for them, he was quite a few years older in fact and besides he was more into soul music.

>>130797430
This has happened many times in KISS threads before. I don't know what it is with them. It's good, there needs to be more active discussion of older bands but still.

>>130797430
unless you're a mod how would you be able to tell how many people are posting here?

>>130797306
It does seem pretty weird in retrospect for them to be seen that way given all the raunchy sex songs, they were not doing Archies kind of songs at all. didn't parents even know that?

>>130797553
I don't think 70s parents really paid any attention to song lyrics their kids were listening to, half the time they weren't even printed on the album. Based on my experience many of them wouldn't have believed it anyway and they were clueless sheltered Marge Simpson types who'd have said "People don't write songs about that kind of thing."

>>130797680
now zoomers could never do that because they either have no dick to make a cast of since they transitioned or if they do it doesn't work and can't get hard because they're so testosterone-deficient

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i don't know how many times i've listened to their first 3 but they always come off as riffless nothingness. they don't get good until destroyer. they peak with pic related. nothing but wall to wall catchy bangers.

if you believe Eddie Trunk, being a KISS fan by 79-80 was wearing a "Kick me" sign on your back

>>130797724
you saying Parasite and She didn't have any riffs?

>>130797445
My dad was born in 61, he was 13 when the S/T came out in '74. He was an avid fan until they fell off in the late 70s.

beating up on KISS for not being up to Neil Young in the songwriting department is kind of unfair. they were very good at basic simple rock anthems. i agree a lot of their lyrics are terrible, they should have stopped writing about teen sex sometime in the 80s but it's not like they were ever capable of evolving into anything more complex or adult. i mean there are people who think "She Loves You" and "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" are deep songs deserving of analysis.

>>130797553
Especially "Plaster Caster." Only people _really_ in the know about the rock world would have gotten that one. Those who knew about Hendrix and Zappa had heard about it of course. I think the whole plaster caster subculture got more publicized in the 80s but I'm sure if you were 12 in 1977 you'd be like "tf is this about?"

>>130797734
>if you believe Eddie Trunk, being a KISS fan by 79-80 was wearing a "Kick me" sign on your back
If you still liked KISS by the time Unmasked came out you were the type that your 11 year old sister could probably beat up.

i do have to admire what Paul Stanley said about rock critics. "Credibility is someone else's idea of what I should be doing."

>>130797032
DTK is a great-sounding album, big and in-your-face.

>>130797417
one of my dad's female classmates was a huge KISS fan back in the day

>>130797884
>one of my dad's female classmates was a huge KISS fan back in the day

so i'm sure there existed some girls who were into Pantera too but that doesn't change the fact that their concerts were by and large huge sausage-fests

>>130796157
but KISS holds up retrospectively. Eminem certainley does not. even the older guys who listened to each in middle school turned out far different. have you seen Grandpa wiggers shuffling around shitty towns? disgusting and abhorrent. should outright slaughtered. old KISS fans sstarted cool bands or harmlessly got fat and worked in a factory or maybe even became a mechanic.

>>130798048
>Eminem certainley does not.
nigga many of eminem's fans 25 years ago were white suburban kids that wanted something edgy to piss off their parents

>>130797430
>the entire site out of nowhere

I thought KISS’ popularity was a regional thing too. The Midwest loved them more than anyone else.

>>130798048
i mean, with him you have to deal with all the dated topical jokes KISS didn't have

>>130798368
The Midwest was the hard rock center of America that was why Disco Demolition Night happened in Chicago.

>>130797734
>if you believe Eddie Trunk
I don't

>>130797724
the first three albums were not bad raw NYC hard rock but they didn't really sell anything and the band members were literally starving and subsisting on one sandwich a day. Alive broke them to the mainstream. as Bill Aucoin recalled, "We had literally no money and then one day a check for $2 million comes in. I spent a couple minutes staring at all those zeros. I couldn't believe it was actually real."

>>130798135
doesn't change the fact that they either grew out of him or became pathetic aging wiggers like he is who have basically forfeited their right to live

>>130798558
i'm one of those white suburban kids. while i may have "grown out of him" i still listen to those albums from time to time and have no shame in liking them. making sweeping generalizations about fan bases doesn't do you any good.

so some people don't like the bombast on Destroyer (Cuckgau famously did not) but using different producers gave them different aesthetics and explored different sounds unlike Aerosmith using Jack Douglas on all the classic 70s albums (great as he is, he did make them a more one-sound band), whether it was the stripped hard rock on the first two albums and RARO or the pop sound of DTK and Love Gun or the epic, grandiose sound on Destroyer.

>>130798599
Destroyer would have been a bit surprising turn so I'm not wholly shocked that a lot of people were put off by it.

>>130798545
"Mainline"...eh, Peter had a good voice but wasn't a great songwriter.

>>130798637
Paul actually wrote that not Peter. Peter by himself couldn't write rockers only MOR slop.

>>130798649
Gene is a known shitbag but Paul is a major diva and has always made it clear that he's the leader of the band and calls all the shots. Gene has pretty much meekly accepted all of his creative moves over the years including dropping the makeup in the 80s even when he didn't like it much. Paul is the only colleague of his he hasn't shit on at some point and he's always very careful to praise the boss man. In that I don't blame Gene, clearly he knew Paul was the better songwriter especially when it came to writing pop hits.

>>130796372
>Gene's behavior too, as if he purposely wants to live up to every Jewish stereotype in the book
>his attempt to rationalize how he started investing in the legal weed business after years of being vocally anti-drug

>>130798633
oh no that was a horrendous mistake. it was all the same overproduction that Ezrin inflicted on Alice Cooper, Deep Purple, Pink Floyd, and Lou Reed. the fact that they didn't hire him again and switched to Eddie Kramer a meat-and-potatoes rock producer for RARO shows what they and the fanbase thought of Destroyer.

>>130798725
also all the juvenile sex songs they did would be ok if they were just a cheeky fantasy but unfortunately they reflect Gene's IRL views on gender relations.

>said women can't have a career and kids
>said women use sex to get what they want
>when called out said hey I didn't create the rules
>admits he's done inappropriate things with women in the past, "blames it on being in a band"

>>130798741
since Destroyer was their biggest selling studio album to date clearly fans did _not_ have a beef with Ezrin's production.

KISS were working incredibly fast back then.

>Destroyer release date 3/15/76
>RARO release date 11/11/76
>Love Gun release date 6/30/77
That's just about eight months between the first two and seven between RARO and Love Gun. It would be damn near impossible for any zoomlennial act to release albums this quickly.

>>130798839
that was normal back then though?

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So the famous photo on the back of Alive with KISS performing at Cobo Hall in Detroit. BTW Chad Smith (the RHCP drummer) was at that concert when he was 13, he saw the photo being taken. Apparently those dudes in front eventually came forward and identified themselves. They still had the poster but not the hair anymore LOL.

>>130798927
Yes for example Cheap Trick's entire classic run was all in 76-79.

>>130796123
>tightened-up, heavied-out MC5
That’s a repugnant thing to say about KISS. MC5 were literally incels in the free love 1960s, do you know how hard that is

>>130798948
Which, anyway. This was in 75 and the crowd was a typical late teens rock audience as the photo shows. The guys with the poster look to be on the younger side of the crowd most of who are probably 16-19 and notice the dude to the left with a joint in his hand.

>>130799024
>I’m an old fuck
Don’t talk about yourself like that. It subconsciously causes a psychosomatic effect that speeds up your real biological aging

>>130798948
It’s crazy how many “hip” music fans shit on KISS as “cringe boomer dad rock” (neo-cuckold 21st century wigger slang) but don’t know that all of their favorite bands absolutely swear by KISS as their biggest influence

>>130796718
those bands walked so KISS and later on hair metal could run. that's how rock has always worked. one group of bands innovates, the next group popularizes. thus Elvis etc. popularized what R&B and the Southern music scene did in the early 50s and grunge popularized 80s underground rock.

>>130796718
Of course the Sex Pistols were totally manufactured by Malcolm McLaren but the impact they had at the time was absolutely colossal. The media were reporting them as the end of civilisation and many people genuinely accepted it. I don't even think they were *that* good apart from a handful of great songs but by God they hit Britain and the music scene like an atom bomb.

>>130799117
so my brother saw the Pistols in Memphis, their second stop on their US tour. since they had a pretty infamous reputation the Memphis chief of police was dispatched to Atlanta where they were doing their first US gig to see what all the fuss was about. they were playing some dumpy club called the Talisyn Inn i think. anyway, the chief reported that it was mostly the band getting into a fisticuffs with the crowd. he decided it was pretty much a nothingburger and cleared them to perform in Memphis.

the Memphis show was also kind of a joke. about 1,000 people there and a lot of them were just casuals wondering what the hype was about. a few actual punk fans and mostly a lot of Southern good ol' boy ZZ Top and Skynyrd fans looking to start fights. a few people liked the show, most thought big deal.

there was some later pretty wild footage of the Pistols in Texas with the band and crowd exchanging spit wads and Sid swinging his bass at the crowd. but mostly they never overwhelmingly wowed Americans and it was nothing like the massive cultural reset moment they were in England.

>>130798725
>vocally anti-drug
Gene is straight edge himself but he always defended that people should have the right to use any drugs they want.

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>>130796718
>were more interested in showmanship, costumes, makeup and glamming it up, more theatrics than American bands.
USA had that too, look at Alice Cooper and New York Dolls as obvious examples

>>130798637
Gene is the best vocalist out of the four guys and I stick by that. Best range in both notes he can hit and emotional range. He was also a lot smarter than Paul in taking care of his voice and not over-exerting himself or singing outside his natural range.

>>130798599
KISS were always cited as being rudimentary musicians and Aerosmith great musicians although not so sure the gap between them was that huge. Also agree that Aerosmith's sound was a little more one-dimensional since they used the same producer on all the classic 70s albums.

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with Neil Bogart (next to Paul), Bogart's wife Joyce (who was also important in helping them get off the ground in the early days) and Bill Aucoin to the right

>>130796123
Cuckgau is such a fag.

>>130799324
One of the reasons they lost it hard in the 80s and became mediocre glam metal slop was losing Aucoin and the other guys who were instrumental in developing their stage show and thus left them with no real identity as a band.

>>130799277
i couldn't come up with an EP of listenable Aerosmith songs

i find it funny how Wicked Lester couldn't get a record deal when many much worse bands did.

>>130796530
>i'm old and was in high school back when they hit

Are you here to spy on kids?

>>130799406
Actually they were signed by Epic and recorded an album but the label didn't release it for some reason and Gene and Paul decided to just forget about it and start a new band.

>>130799389
having a KISS vs Aerosmith slapfight is funny considering that both bands are unlistenable garbage

>>130797032
Hell yeah. I am discovering this album slowly and the title track and Parasite are heavy metal bangers.

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>>130796708
>No one ever cared about KISS in Europe outside Scandinavia a little bit.
Yeah, this tracks.

>>130797032
Ace's "swarm of insects" guitar tone was fairly unique and I don't think Aerosmith were necessarily better musicians.

>>130797719
>>130797821
Ok, now I am curious

>>130797386
>>130798048
my uncle was born in '60 and liked them, he also grew up to be a cement mixer guy, working on things like black top and concrete. he mainly listens to country now.
>>130798135
Eminem fans used to rough me up back in the day but most of them just od'd on drugs later on. Good riddance.

>>130798566
tell that to someone who got beat on by them. then you'll understand.

>>130799416
no, just your mom

>>130799602
also all ICP fans they overdosed on fent or went to prison on assault and battery charges for choking their ex-wife in an alimony dispute

i would say Animalize is the worst KISS album, Paul has some good moments but Gene was basically nonexistent and his songs were terrible. Mark St. John's playing was on point.

>>130798599
pretty sure they wanted Eddie Kramer since the first album but they couldn't afford him

>>130796784
>and the band increasingly looking like the Muppet show. not cool at all to a high school kid

covers played a lot of role in picking an album out in the 70s. my cousin bought the Scorpions' Lovedrive based on the cover and it was the censored US cover not the booba Euro one.

>>130799814
>covers played a lot of role in picking an album out in the 70s
as well as song lengths. the longer the song the more epic it was going to be for as much as rock critics used to complain about 6 minute songs and insist everything had to be 2-3 minutes. most rock listeners thought the longer the better. i know how AC/DC after For Those About To Rock quit doing lengthy epics and most of their songs started averaging 3 minutes so you could tell they were washed up and didn't have the ideas anymore.

>>130796123
This is the first time I've read a Chritgau review that seems like it's actually describing what's on the album. Kick-ass rock music with misogynist lyrics.
Also, I like that he made the MC5 comparison. I remember saying something kind of similar to someone back when I first started listening to Kiss about a decade ago, and I could sort of tell that this person was doing their best not to be rude in response lol
On an unrelated not, the album that got me into Kiss was Destroyer and I still think the album is great even after hearing what came before and after. I think the arena rock production worked pretty well for them, though I'm not sure if I would ever want a Kiss album to be produced by Bob Ezrin any time after 1976.

KISS taking until Alive to break was not unusual, many artists took time to blow up. RHCP obviously didn't get huge until the fifth album. Aerosmith breaking on album two was an exception. of course Judas Priest took a while to get big too. Pink Floyd took eight albums to get big, which was kind of a record. going back to the 50s/pre-Beatles era you could also have Little Richard or Connie Francis releasing flop singles for a couple years before achieving success.

>>130799937
Most of these people were on major labels (Little Richard's first single was on RCA after which he recorded for indie R&B labels) and most of the time they were reasonably forgiving and willing to give you a chance to slowly build up a following.

>>130799937
Early Floyd had multiple top 10 UK albums, they just had no US audience until DSOTM.

lo fi snobs might like the raw sound of KISS S/T and HTH but at the time it was a turn-off, especially when rock production values were advancing a lot--that kind of sound was acceptable in 1970 not so much '74. the sound on those albums wasn't exactly face-melting.

>>130800014
i'm kind of shocked at how thin and lo fi those sound considering Wise and Kerner were in an influential stoner rock band

>>130800073
the first two Dust albums are influential but they were totally incompetent as producers

>>130799937
uh...REO Speedwagon?

>>130800091
I remembered hearing Golden Country but it was that live version of Ridin' that took off for them here. Both REO and Journey commercialized their sound in the wake of Boston's debut.

>>130800102
perhaps so but REO did move away from their early 70s sound when Kevin Cronin rejoined the band in 76. it always seemed me that Cronin's real influence was Bob Dylan more than anything so those songs were lighter in tone than the ones he did on the previous albums. the Cow album wasn't a huge hit but it set the stage for Tuna Fish which was similar in tone but had a more commercial sound. also fwiw the one time when Cronin stumbled was trying to do hard rock like on Nine Lives. he could sing 'em but his idea of hard rock lyrics were hard rock cliches.

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>>130797430
>same two people replying to each other for the entire thread and pretending to be multiple people
no

>>130796123
prior to Alive they were living off Aucoin's credit card and wore his suits for the DTK cover since only Peter Criss actually owned a suit

>>130796285
>they were ok for 11 yos but
all those songs about teen sex and stuff are a cool fantasy when you're 12 but by 16 when you have IRL girlfriends and are actually living the life they're singing about you don't really need a song about it anymore.

>>130796157
>Eminem but for 70s instead of 00s middle schoolers.
not a single person on this website who can separate music critique from people they disliked as kids, deeply pathetic

>>130800587
that's why you upgrade to country songs about women cheating on you and generally ruining your life

>>130800589
what in the post you're replying to implied anything about the kids that anon went to school with?

>>130796581
Kramer had a very minimalist aesthetic--just let the band play and add absolutely nothing else.

>>130796895
they were always pretty open about how their biggest influences were British Invasion rock and 60s girl groups

>>130799528
groupies who made plaster casts of rock stars' dicks lol

>>130798767
i'm not gonna dispute that Gene has some questionable views about women

>>130797724
my older sister used to hate that cover too, said it was degrading to women and stuff

>>130796285
i get your point. my cousin used to love Judas Priest until he was about 16 and then decided listening to them became a chore and not fun. he was terrified that he was losing his taste for metal and tf was wrong with him, but he simply outgrew them and hasn't listened to them in decades and doesn't feel he's lost anything from it.

>>130799602
>>130799620
>got merced on by eminem chads
lol
lmao
Fuck! Shit! Ass! Bitch! Cunt! Shooby-de-doo-wop! woops!
Skibbedy-be-bop, a Christopher Reeves
Sonny Bono, skis, horses and hittin' some trees HEY!

>>130801156
Music has to come to you naturally and you listen to whatever clicks with you at the moment, you can't force it.

>>130801175
I dunno whats so great about impersonating blacks but okay. Its just vaudeville.

yeah KISS had dumb lyrics so did most of their peers. lyrics usually suck or read poorly without the accompanying music. that's not to say they're completely irrelevant although there are supposed lyrical masterpieces that did nothing for me, but rock critics have always overinflated their importance. i would never disregard a song exclusively on the lyrics. otherwise you become Steve Allen sarcastically reading the lyrics of "Be Bop A Lula" on his TV show. of course that song sounded dumb if you're just looking at a lyric sheet.

>>130801120
I have questionable views about women AMA.

>>130801156
I went from HC to metal, the reverse and then explored jazz, classical, industrial and revisted some of the prog I liked as a teenager. I still listen to all of it. I got Yngwie Malmsteen on right now, the donuts guy.

>>130800603
Thats what my uncle did, exactly that.

>>130801120
Your sister sounded like a fat feminist cunt.

>>130799692
Yeah that sounds about right. I live in NE Ohio and a lot of them went that way.

>>130801211
nearly all of those 70s hard rock bands were shit on by critics. well ok Cuckgau liked some of it he was a pretty big Aerosmith fan but generally they wrote it off as juvenile trash that had nothing to say.

>>130796200
Ace had the best of the solo albums, Peter's was the worst and felt like a parody album.

>>130801272
Peter's feels retro, it's basically 1955-65 rock. He was the oldest of the guys and would have grown up more in that era.

>>130796697
Alice Cooper always filtered me to a lot greater extent than KISS, he didn't click with me at all for some reason.

>>130801303
AC really had nothing in common with KISS outside glam makeup and shock gimmicks onstage. He was also more of a surrealist art rocker who loved Salvador Dali and stuff like that, and he got started in the late 60s so his aesthetic had more grounding in the counterculture unlike KISS who started later when the counterculture was dead and buried, and their songs were more typical rock star lyrics.

Also FWIW I never did like KISS even as a kid, I thought their songs were dumb and self-aggrandizing (yeah man, we're gods of rock and sex) and didn't have much to say beyond that. I always found Alice Cooper far better and more interesting.

>>130801351
>Also FWIW I never did like KISS even as a kid, I thought their songs were dumb and self-aggrandizing (yeah man, we're gods of rock and sex) and didn't have much to say beyond that.

it was also a net negative for rock in the long run when 80s bands all became nothing but partying and sex songs. rock in the late 60s and the 70s had a wide range of subject matter it explored but that was all trimmed down in the 80s into stale cliches. Even metal bands who didn't sing about teen sluts were just on the stereotypical death/Satan/blood schtick.

>>130797273
>rock was hardly any better barring a few exceptions like Genesis or
The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway filtered me hard.

>>130801377
it's a pretty obtuse, self-indulgent album that really only makes sense to Pete Gabriel

>>130801351
Alice was good up to Muscle of Love then he lost it. Yeah I agree that KISS did set back rock a lot by reducing it to cliches about women and partying.

>>130801351
There's a definite difference between guys like Alice Cooper and Steve Miller who put out their first albums in the late 60s versus bands like KISS who started in the 70s. Only a few years' difference but it made for a pretty big one as far as aesthetics went, especially with how quickly the culture was moving then.

>>130801725
>Only a few years' difference but it made for a pretty big one as far as aesthetics went, especially with how quickly the culture was moving then.
a favorite example of this principle was how Brenda Lee was born at the end of 1944, she was younger than a large chunk of 60s rockers but seen as belonging to the era prior to the Beatles and her pop relevance faded in the late 60s. Grace Slick was the same age as Dion, but Dion was also a has-been when Airplane were at their peak. Just by having started in the late 50s he was tied into that era's aesthetic and put in the dustbin when the British Invasion happened.

>>130801369
And yet my opinions haven’t changed. They are a marketing ploy. They could barely play their instruments (except for Ace). They are more style than substance. Their songs are horrible both lyrically and musically. They tried to sell out with a disco song and it is literally one of the worst songs of the entire decade. Their 80s output is much worse. And their fans are stuck in some horrible juvenile time warp where they have never grown up.

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>almost 160 post thread about KISS
/mu/ is finished.

>>130799864
>as well as song lengths. the longer the song the more epic it was going to be for as much as rock critics used to complain about 6 minute songs and insist everything had to be 2-3 minutes.

i feel that was because a lot of those first gen critics grew up in the 50s-60s when rock was <3 minute singles and just couldn't adapt to the change to the LP format in the 70s. in short they were already boomers despite being not yet 30.

>>130796566
"Lick It Up" is also one of the worst songs I've ever heard. And some people defend it even.