Why is nu-gaze so shit? Wisp, Julie, Glixen, Trauma Ray, Downward, Glare. This new crop is fucking terrible and they literally all sound the same.
>>130800455no hooks
Same reasons post punk revival sucked compared to the real thing.
>>130800455They don’t know how to write music
>>130800455they don't know how to use pedals
>>130800455Everytime I see a new "shoegaze" band shilled on social media its always some wannabe hardcore band who cant make it so they put a bunch of effects on their tuneless songs amd call it shoegaze thinking nobody will notice and will be impressed by le heckin wall of sound that goes nowhere.
It's the problem of focusing on "vibes" over songwriting fundamentals. Aside from overuse of pedals, one way shoegaze musicians tend to write is by making guitar "textures" with a lot of open strings and extended harmonies. But as Joe Pass would say, this droning kind of approach to guitar puts an audience to sleep. It's too passive, too static. And then you pile on reverb and chorus for maximum soporific effect. Yeah we all loved "Dagger" the first time we heard it, but we don't need to hear 5000 duller versions of that idea.
>>130800455They're in it for Tiktok clout, not guitar effect autism
>>130800455I like trauma ray and glare but gun to my head I couldn't tell you whose songs are whose so fair point
They were the chosen ones...
>>130800675/threadnoisy shoegaze or even noise-pop blows that shit out of the water
>>130800455because you don't like american rock music
how is nu gaze inherently worse? i think these deftones hum pumpkins clones are more straightforward and enjoyable on average than the shoegaze for the sake of shoegaze bands with bloated pedalboards. https://youtu.be/gbqfOtHqjMc?
>>130800455btw few bands in the 90s approached 'shoegaze' like Kevin. bands like ride and slowdive would write actual songs on acoustic guitars before all the effects came in. shoegazers today can't into songwriting
>>130800561Emo bands do this too
>>130802976You just got filtered by real shoegaze. Keep consuming your alternative rock with reverb
>>130803023what? mbv, ride, chapterhouse and catherine wheel are among my favorite bands. japanese bands too. but the modern stuff clearly sucks so I'd rather have them continue the american alt rock sound instead of tedious reverb fests.
digitally-recorded rock sucks out of the box if you don't know how to fight it. and there are no limitations that allow you to make a coherent thing. few people get creative if they have an abundance of pedals and software available. bands in the 90s had one amp, 2-3 pedals, 1-2 multi effects and maybe one synthesizer.
>>130800455Was going to watch Nothing and Deafheaven this weekend but Nicky money had his Australian visa application declined again.
https://youtu.be/99Qta0MisCs2010 Australian Heavy Psych/Noise Rock/ShoegazeI think the secret to soigaze is to be psych-rock, see FSA, Telescopes, and Bardo Pond
>>130800455Honestly it's better than the vast majority of boring ass 2010s dream pop.I'd much rather listen to Fleshwater, than junk like beach house that pitchfork told you millenieals to like.
>>130802976because Deftones/Hum/Pumpkins pioneered their individual sounds and are distinct from each other, all these bands now like those three and just smush them together making a non-descript heavy rock with pedals sound, I'm not completely against it cause there are bands doing that sound well, but they are not as common imho
>>130803242Fleshwater is a fine band, but they swim in different waters. They writes songs and shoegaze isn't their main qualifier. The bands mentioned in OP are all in distinct bands that proudly call themselves shoegaze and they all sounds like if the Deftones couldn't write a song
>>130803046Then why are you defending the snoozefest of modern shoegaze? All those hum worship bands suck, especially since they actually try to sound like deftones which has always sucked ass
>>130800675facts. It's a shame too because I've always been a big ambient head so some really vibes forward shoegaze sounds good to me but often misses the point. I try my best to be open minded to new stuff but there's always gonna be the issue that newer artists newly fascinated with fundamentals are just gonna be on a different wavelength than someone who's been around the block, and a dense layered droney guitar tone on it's own isn't gonna cut it for some old dork like me.This is exactly how I felt during the whole midwest emo revival thing in ~2012 too
