When did Nu metal die, and mall emo begin. Did it happen over night? or was it more like a gradual shift. When was the last year Nu Metal was relevant? I'm a older zoomer who barely remembers that era. My oldest cousin is a 85 Millennial, he always claimed Nu Metal died around 2003, and that Mall Emo was more like 2004.
>>130856608Tide comes in, tide goes out; you can't explain that.
>>130856608I always associate post-9/11 music more with jingoistic country music (the song Beer for My Horses by Toby Keith and Willie Nelson in 2002 was all over the radio and that immediately comes to mind) and Pop Punk like Greenday made in response to it. To me MCR captures a very specific time period in the 2000s, after the initial wave of post-9/11 music but just before the 2008 financial crisis, so between 2004-2007-ish
nu metal was popular from like 1997-2002-3 , it was hard to take marylin manson and limp bizket white teen boy ragers seriously after 9/11.At the time mtv had stopped showing music videos for 24 hour reality tv slop.But they still played music video countdowns on mtv2, thats where you would see music videos for like the used, MCR, panic at the disco, fall out boy. i would say the big album and song that kicked off the mainstreaming of emo was the middle by jimmy eat worldalthough emo was in a weird spot, not being played on mtv, but still popular with the kids, but not being promoted like grunge was in the 90s.I think another thing that was important was hot topic and the idea of shopping at the mall
>>130856631Oh man that Green Day shit was gay. To my generation, Green Day were always gonna be assoiated with the 90s. There song was in the last episode of seinfeld. American idiot was really embarsing, they had Bilie Joe dressed up like Gerard Way with the gay ass ties on.
>>130856648you can tell emo was making a dent in rock in the 2000s when green day and blink 182 started wearing black and mascara but the best thing about rock back then was you had multiple scenes going on at the same time, like the garage rock revival, pop punk, nu metal, emo, post punk revival, etcmodern day sucks compared to it
>>130856674True, although I'll say this as someone around at that time, these scenes were very seperate for the most part. Garage Rock and Post Punk revival were not that popular at all, there were a few hit singles here and of course (everyone knew the strokes, the hives, Jet, White Stripes were the biggest by far among average Joe's) I was in my twenties for a majority of the 2000s, I moved around a bit. I'm from Schuylkill county originally, but also lived in Bucks county, and Philly at various times. Young adults in cities liked Garage rock revival, post punk revival and indie stuff more broadly. People in small towns prefered the hot topic stuff ,pop-punk, mall emo or metalcore for younger people, older people? Butt Rock was the main thing, the last vastages of Nu Metal and Alt Metal, also Country of course
>>130856715there were a lot of rock scenes going on at the same time, i also forgot about post grunge like foo fighters and nickleback, and also butt rock like saliva and drowning pool.It wasnt all good stuff lol
Nickelback still sucks ass despite zoomers recent attempts at rehabilitating them
>>130856745Agreed. I think class and age had a big effect on what style you listend to.I'm a rural working class dude, so shit like the strokes or Interpol was always lame to me. I'd rather listen to Staind or Hinder.That being said, I do like early Modest Mouse (not there 2000s stuff) and like, some of the merge records/chapel hill indie bands from the 90s are pretty cool, but I didn't get into them till I was in my mid 20s.
>>130856608it was stuff like dashboard confessional online that was popular at first, then it evolved into emo 2.0, especially when the used and mcr explodedit didn't go away overnight. a lot of the tony hawks skateboard stuff was nu metal but it gave way by about 2005. emo also went rapidly from a twenties-adult thing to a teen thing with an exaggerated aesthetic
>>130856848Neither Dashboard or MCR were really emo. The guy from Dashboard was in a Christian Pop Punk band lol.But yeah, the mainstream called it all Emo. Dashboard was super fucking lame, The Used and taking back sunday, thursday, all those bands were so shit. I actually came up in the 90s emo scene, so like, that shit getting called emo felt like a fucking insult of everything I loved. Real Emo is shit like Current, Still Life, Frail, Evergreen, The Don Martin three, Shotmaker, Maximillian Colby that kind of thing, plus revolution summer bands, and Gravity Records/San Diego Screamo.
>>1308566082000-2002 was the peak of nu metal. You had Linkin Park, Slipknot, Deftones. What else there was was a band called Thursday blowing up among post-hardcore crowds with an emocore infused post-hardcore sound. And then there was The Used, which furthered that sound with a post-grunge inspired thing. The Used can be said to be the transitional band from nu metal to mall emo. My Chemical Romance and Fall Out Boy existed, but they were just copying Saves the Day and were quite underground. It wasn't until 2004 when the more theatrical "Hot Topic" sound would explode into the mainstream, thanks to the groundwork laid out by Thursday and The Used. I was born in 99 so I don't remember any of this. This is just based on research.
>>130857694Also, Taking Back Sunday. Fuck I forgot about them.
any albums similar to three cheers? or at least songs like cemetary drive or ghost of you, unrelated to op but just curious.
>>130857759Thursday probably. Also The Used, Taking Back Sunday, the first brand new record, basically anything from New Jersey or Long Island circa 2003.
>>130857792Thursday sounds nothing like, and TBS barely sound like TCFSR, The Used kinda does tho.
>>130856608You're all very embarrassing and would be hating mcr to death if they were a new band. You look up to them because they are older you in age. Pathetic.
obviously music and the culture got a lot darker compared to the sunny dot com bubble late 90s. nobody wanted Blink 182 anymore.
>>130858004Bullshit, it's because MCR wrote some of the best rock/emo songs of the 21st century, in fact of history. TCFSR is on my top 3 favorite albums of all-time, had it been released today, my opinion would be exactly the same, age doesn't affect its quality.
>>130856608>he always claimed Nu Metal died around 2003, and that Mall Emo was more like 2004I'd say he is quite correct. That's how I remember it too. Green Day and Blink 182 jumping on the "emo" bandwagon happened somewhere in those years and that was a huge shift. Nu-metal was forgotten by 2005.
>>130857694Saves the Day sucks and sounds nothing like MCR or Fall Out Boy.
>>130857759There really isn't much, Three Cheers is basically peerless and probably the greatest emo record ever made.
>>130859132not emo sorry
>>130856608Between 2001-2003 not much was happeneing. There wasn't really any big releases from bands. 2003 Linkin Park released their follow up which was huge and a lot of bands started releasing "darker" music like Blink 182's self titled and American Idiot also came out.Nu metal basically died once the album cycle for Limp Bizkit's release ended and Korn fell off after Issues. As mentioned, Meteora was released and well loved and SOAD was geting traction at this time as well.
>>130858187just admit you like garbage, no shame in that. this historical revisionism about MCR is just sad, and your not convincing anyone but yourself
>>130859180it's literally the quintessential emo album, you are fucking retarded and weren't there
>>130858004What a weird take. MCR is bigger than they've ever been and they aged like wine. Youre in denial.
>>130859201it's post-hardcore.
>>130859201Gerard says so himself they are not an emo band.
Nu metal died around 2003. Sure in late 2005 TRL was showing the new korn music video or HIM, and mtv2 had headbangers ball but oh boy if you were into limp bizket or korn in 2006 you were a huge fag cuz guys into hello goodbye or relient K in their Hollister girl. Jeans could get more pussy than you.t. 38 year-old
>Neither Dashboard or MCR were really emo. The guy from Dashboard was in a Christian Pop Punk band lol.>But yeah, the mainstream called it all Emo. Dashboard was super fucking lame, The Used and taking back sunday, thursday, all those bands were so shit. I actually came up in the 90s emo scene, so like, that shit getting called emo felt like a fucking insult of everything I loved.>Real Emo is shit like Current, Still Life, Frail, Evergreen, The Don Martin three, Shotmaker, Maximillian Colby that kind of thing, plus revolution summer bands, and Gravity Records/San Diego Screamo.
>>130857694>I was born in 99 so I don't remember any of this.yeah, we can tell
Mainstream shit shifts all the time. There's no point or purpose in caring about it. Everything that's popular for some period of time can be popular for an even longer time. All that happens is the recording industry decides to artificially stop pushing a current trend in order to push a different one in hopes it'll make their pocketbooks fatter.
>>130856643>le take seriouslyRetarded reddit mindset. Bizkit alone is intended to be fun fuckaround music. It's not like Fred ever claimed Nookie and Break Stuff were high art up there with Mozart. Who needs to "take a band seriously" in the first place? Some fart huffing retard who thinks listening to X instead of Y will sully his imagined reputation?
The older I get, the more I appreciate edgy Three Cheers over family-friendly Black Parade
Everyone listens to kpop now
>>130859933only fat girls, coomers, and third world brown people
>>130859197Just admit you're garbage, a worthless maggot without a working brain, with dogshit opinions and life.
>>130859965I agree with the guy calling you a faggot. MCR was always trash and you would get bullied for listening to them. We don't need some zoomer who was drinking baby formula and staring at a tablet questioning history.
>>130859870People also get bored of the same type of music like Disco for example. There was so much Disco that people got bored of it and the industry started to make something new. Music is like fashion, movies... after many years with the same thing people get bored of it and something different has to be made for people be interested again.
>>130859988>retarded samefag I didn't even read
>>130860031We know you are dyslexic, most zoomers are
>>130859870I too remember my edgy teen nihilist phase.
>>130860395I'm 31, not a zoomer, but you are a shit-for-brains retard.
>>130859997Except emo is having a massive resurgence right now dumbass
>>130856648>dressed up like gerard waykek true
>>130856648>>130856674What was really embarrassing about Green Day and Blink going emo was that they were in their 30s when they did it.
>>130862112They were signed to the same label and had the same person for producer, go figure
>>130856674>the best thing about rock back then was you had multiple scenes going on at the same time, like the garage rock revival, pop punk, nu metal, emo, post punk0 relevant rock music came out of that era. It's all laughable shit.
>48 replies>no mention of the growth of ALTERNATIVEradio stations would do that edgy voice and say like "new ALTERNATIVE rawk station". Foo Fighters started it in the late 90s with Monkey Wrench. Then Queens of the STone Age came along. Stone Temple Pilots and Audioslave. Audioslave and Foo Fighters took Alternative to levels of mainstream slop never seen before. But what else would you categorize Everlong? It's alternative. can't believe this fucking thread
>>130865171Everlong is pop rock Alternative specifically avoids radio friendly sound
>>130861686>Except emo is having a massive resurgence right now dumbasscite?
I stopped listening to new music when that butterfly song came out. And intentionally got into drugs after 9/11 to avoid the obvious brainwashing of the time.
bumpo
>>130861686qrd?
>>130856608Nu-metal had already been replaced by post-grunge slop before 9/11. It was damn near impossible to put the radio on that summer and not hear at least one of Lifehouse, Incubus, and Staind.
>>130856750It's easy for zoomers to do that because they didn't actually have to hear that shit a million times a day for a whole decade while being old enough to remember it. And not just Nickelback, but all their other equally bad soundalikes too.
>>130876844>he didn't install a cd player into his shitboxkek I couldn't imagine being a radio cuck
>>130856608things became a bit less edgy and became a bit softer. I think people were freaked out and wanted comfort
>>130867975>>130875509
>>130865171Foo fighters didn't do shit. Literally coasting off Nirvana's popularity. Their brand of shitty pop rock didn't make any impression on any scene
The first big "emo" single I remember was Sugar, We're Going downbut it really sort of began with blink-182 self titled
82k sell out at Wembley, London tonight. Fucking amazing performance and i'm not even a fanboy
>>130857584Further Seems Forever were hardly pop punk but you're right about emo in general. what was presented as emo in the 00s was mostly pop punk with scene aesthetics and light emo inspirations. i liked it for what it was. or you know, some of it. MCR were too lame to engage with but now that i'm discovering them 20 years late there's some good shit there.
>>130881031I watched a recording of this tour on YT out of interest, I don't think they will ever make a true comeback (Gerard is constantly out of breath and basically dies after 2/3rds of the show) but nostalgia fills their stadiums, good for them.1984-inspired stuff is really lame but I guess it works on simple-minded people. Mikey looks really good compared to his fat old farts of bandmates, being young has finally played out in his favor.
This whole thread shows me that Hot Topic was a mistake
>>130881140Saw op joined the thread and people are talking about further seems forever lmao
>>130882941Im 1993 and was like proto real emo. I rediscovered American Football in 2008 and nobody cared. I was literally the only guy in a 3k student southern school who listened to alt music. For me it was A Day to Remember For Those Who Have Heart. Shit was like obscure devil music. Also The Devil Wears Prada and Alesana. There were maybe 4 people in my school who listened to it. There was also one girl who was into From First to Last and Behemoth. She was like a unicorn and killed herself once we all graduated
>>130882974I was into American Football, Algerian Cadwallder, Midwest Pen Pals at the time and it was the equivalent of saying you sacked dick. So I just posted on mu
>>130856608I would say by 2002 it was already on the way out but it wasn't fully replaced until 2003. The most popular nu metal bands stuck around unfortunately despite sucking ass but that wasn't the hotness anymore. Pop punk took over then. Also the first wave of indie/pseudo-indie bands that were popular like The Strokes, Franz Ferdinand, Killers, White Stripes, even though larpers on here will tell you nobody actually liked them they were hot. For heavy music the screamo stuff just gave nu metal the boot with the kids and vanilla buttrock had a resurgence with nu metal's white trash crowd. Simple answer is just nobody wanted to listen to that crap anymore.
>>130856608i definitely considered buying an MCR shirt after hearing three cheers but that would have clashed too much with my more typical metal shirts lol. i think after nu metal it was more about being "scene" than "emo". in 2008, there was apparently a showdown between punks and emos, who were probably just scene kids, punks being too lazy to differentiate. that nu-metal influence was always there though and seemed to come back and fuse with scene style when deathcore got big. the biggest change was probably because of social media. instead of bands having their image tailored with assistance by major labels, you created your own image on myspace, it felt more personal and it was more about what you could create for/by yourself.
>>130883225Yeah thats the mexican emo punk war the punks didn't like the emos because they were too effeminate so they would kick them out of any hangout spot so the emos held an emo pride parade and the punks crashed it turning it into a riot.
>>130859537based elder
