Scriabin Editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_xeDPu70BgThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPreviously, on /classical/: >>130853851
Interesting take on Rite of Spring.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlnjQyN0HdI
>>130873126David Bruce is a moron. never post here again.
Listen to Lully
>>130873133https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7M2nhlSBCAYes he's a giant faggot, watch his disappointment at the end when the Balinese guy says that Western Music enriched their tradition rather than go along with the standard narrative of say its "cultural appropriation".
>>130873244based Balinese guy. I get called racist a lot in real life but non-whites appreciate it when you just say your brutally honest views about things instead of trying to be politically correct.
>>130873230yes, sir. right away, sir.
Who has the best Schubert piano sonatas?
Scriabi
>>130873275It's honestly a litmus test at this point, I often angered people 10 plus years ago with my pro-White views and pro-Palestinian views and I'm very proud of that fact.
>>130874244>>130874244
>>130874120Kempff.
>>130874120Uchida
Childhood is idolizing Mahler. Adulthood is realizing Bruckner makes more sense.
>>130874120Kempff and Zechlin
Godhood is devotion to Richard Wagner.W.
anyone use the apple classical app
>>130874579Enlightenment is realizing any competent Baroque composer mogs Jewler or Suckner
>>130874120Richter, the answer is always Richter.
>>130874613Favorite baroque symphonies?
>>130874627Many years ago, while listening to Richter's D.960, I got a message on Facebook from a stranger informing me my girlfriend was cheating on me at the bar. I haven't listened to Richter's Schubert since.
>>130874632favorite renaissance rappers?
>>130874632Favorite Romantic era basso continuo, concerto grosso, and trio sonata?
Granadoshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhS34FUDrCoWas browsing the top TC list of solo piano repertoire and saw this piece ranked at #108 which I didn't recognize, so, y'know, figured I'd give it a try.
>>130874660One of these is not like the others.
Boccherini time, bitches
Boccherini would be a good name for an opera, which contains some famous number that goes "Boccherini, Boccherini!"
Favorite Tchaikovsky overture/symphonic poem?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0D4g9gHceQ&list=OLAK5uy_n3flgrwKnzu1sg9-4stInObUNgOpLqBzo&index=3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSk6fbf2ur4&list=OLAK5uy_n3flgrwKnzu1sg9-4stInObUNgOpLqBzo&index=6https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMhQ-lEBLBA&list=OLAK5uy_n3flgrwKnzu1sg9-4stInObUNgOpLqBzo&index=7https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hBB-0-YOyM&list=OLAK5uy_n3flgrwKnzu1sg9-4stInObUNgOpLqBzo&index=8
>>130874834Francesca da Rimini, probably.
Otterdammerunghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhQ6cFoMAFA&list=OLAK5uy_kbFjeT1RFNthkn8HVCiqtg9-p5GlSL3Ow&index=113
Monteverdi.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xox5hEaD_Fc&list=PLa1rC97wRkZgSOT71xGQhMyM1eG7UMtyl
Hillary Hahnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXDk1CoIRuY
>>130874895So that's why it's called Baroque Pop.
>>130874900uhh... yeah... definitely...
>>130874120Schnabel.
As I've said before, I tend to view and listen to piano cycles holistically. However, doing a ranking of Rachmaninoff's Preludes and Etudes, all on the same list, so a 1-41 (24 Preludes, 17 Etudes) sounds like it'd be fun.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMkj2ousvf8&list=OLAK5uy_kz2BRaArEAVKIsdu6jmsJaDljDMkNdGBQ&index=7
>>130872802>>130872791I am usually a fan of doing symphonies chronologically. Is his sixth that un-notable?
>>130875021I like the 6th. It's just not as good as the other, more famous ones. Think of it like Bruckner's 6th. Plenty listenable and enjoyable, shouldn't be skipped. But if I were trying to convince someone to like Shostakovich, it wouldn't be in my top... five choices is all.
>mfw a classical fan tells me they've only listened to Bach's Cello Suites oncehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QraTUNwbqXA&list=OLAK5uy_mcY_ee8bYstMWqB3aWMjnu1fDloXgVnYs&index=28For maximum spiritual health, you should be listening to them once a month.
>>130875030That's how you build up a tolerance. After a few years, the only way you can get the effect is if you learn cello and play them yourself.
>>130875016It sounds like fun but I couldn't finish mine when I started doing it months ago. I don't even like the recordings that are available to us, so it's hard to judge.
>>130875035>That's how you build up a tolerance.Which is why you rotate recordings.
>>130875037>I don't even like the recordings that are available to us, so it's hard to judge.I feel you on that. There are certainly recordings of them which I'd probably rank above the rest, but none I'd give a 10/10 to, for I still think they can be done better.
Rachmaninoffhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB9Rwob4nOM&list=OLAK5uy_nyjNOfRJtfWP9VwwLLgz-zIllB-pd_M3E&index=13
>you DO listen to all of Bach's Cello Suites, Sonatas and Partitas for Solo Violin, Mass in B minor, St Matthew Passion, St John Passion, Goldberg Variations, Art of Fugue, and Well-Tempered Clavier at least once a month, right, anon!?... anon???
>>130875021listen to the symphonies in chronological order and then move on to the string quartets. we will brief you with further instructions once you have successfully completed those tasks.
Jaap van Zweden. The man's first name is a slur.
>>130875156Based. Which recordings of his should I check out?
>>130875156It's pronounced like yap.
>>130875163His Ring with the Honk Kong Phil is by far his most acclaimed and successful recording. Search on Amazon. Nothing else I see is anything I'd feel good with recommending to anyone here lol.Actually wait, there is this,>The New York Philharmonic releases the live recording of Pulitzer Prize-winning composer Julia Wolfe's oratorio Fire in my mouth, an elegy to the infamous Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire conducted by the commanding (New York Times) Jaap van Zweden. Premiered as part of New York Stories: Threads of Our City, the Philharmonic s two-week examination of New York City s roots as a city of immigrants, Fire in my mouth is a reflection on the New York garment industry at the turn of the 20th century through a focus on the 1911 Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire, which killed 146 garment workers, most of them young immigrants. Called a monumental achievement in high musical drama (The Nation), Fire in my mouth is the latest recording in the New York Philharmonic s partnership with Decca Gold.Doesn't seem to be on YouTube Music thoso here's his Mahler 6https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adzT5sV9Dmc&list=OLAK5uy_kvoHpuwX2MFMG3TMlwZkgp_FSqwD1JNg0&index=1>>130875166o lol
that's like if your name was Chink von Vinland
Schuberthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwQKhjk-s8s&list=OLAK5uy_kq5Ki7nqlLR5ZhAzqQ-UafwrGahhu-ifo&index=11
>>130875156we gaan
>>130875394Hitler dood. wat nou?
>>130875412We hebben een serieus probleem
>>130875156short for jacob(us).
>>130872806Scriabin (needs a bigger moustache)
>>130872806What music would be playing in Scriabi's diner?Scriabinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmIDevUoPpE
Scriabinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Giaqs0MmHLQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2ZYulH2CJshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgek080vPMk
Fragile by nature—how does “the sacred” express itself in music?
>>130876859I don't know, ChatGPTard. Why don't you tell me?
>>130876958What immediately caught my eye among Bruno Walter’s 20-CD box set was Corelli’s Concerto Grosso Op. 6 No. 8, Fatto per la Notte di Natale, and Handel’s Concerto Grosso Op. 6 No. 12, and above all Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina’s Stabat Mater—so I listened to that first, and yes, this Stabat Mater... I mean, we are lightyears away from it; it’s a recording from 1937 and it’s incredibly expressive and ecstatic. The choir, the choral voices, are nowhere near as balanced as we have today. There’s a lot of vibrato, perceptible, even disturbingly so, but we have to know, of course, what recordings were like back then. You hear individual voices very strongly, and of course you could say that individual voices shouldn’t stick out of a choir, but I can’t imagine that’s the case. The choir of the Vienna State Opera in this instance, which Wilhelm Furtwängler had also worked with intensively for many years before, with the best people—of course this choir was homogeneous; it’s reported from the time, and naturally it isn’t a total mishmash of voices. So that means the voices that stand out are due to the recording technology.But let’s leave that aside. This Stabat Mater, a good quarter of an hour long by Palestrina is ecstatic music, with an expression I would call expressionistic, with very strong dynamic contrasts. Now we have to know: back then, what was in circulation, freshly rediscovered, was Richard Wagner’s arrangement, which was also published as a Philharmoniker pocket score in Vienna, and naturally that arrangement was used. That’s why it’s quite clear: this is, of course, a highly romantic interpretation of Palestrina’s Stabat Mater, and we have to subtract that. We also have to subtract that Bruno Walter was a protégé of Gustav Mahler, and this fracturedness, this longing, is also very strong, and it comes out clearly in a piece like this.
>>130877111When we then hear his Mozart, his Haydn, and so on, we don’t notice it as much. On the contrary, even with Bruckner, even with Schubert, we don’t have that, but here we can perceive it very clearly. A very strong dose of Mahler stayed in him, and that is this unresolved agitation. And in that respect, there are of course many factors. So I don’t assume that this was the standard of the time, how it was performed—neither in quality, it’s probably far above normal, nor in the manner of interpretation. And we know that exactly at that time, conductors did incredibly different things. Wilhelm Furtwängler wasn’t seen as a romantic conductor at all, but rather by some as a classicist. The typical romantic conductor was, for example, Willem Mengelberg. Klemperer was of course a strong anti-romantic, and Schuricht was also not a romantic conductor. Bruno Walter more so. And yes, you all know that saying—well, not all, but many know it—that when Klemperer was asked about Bruno Walter in later years, he said: “Yes, a moralist. I’m an immoralist.” And yes, the work comes across like a desperate plea of the Virgin Mary at the cross of her son.But of course that’s not how it is with Palestrina. And in that respect, you could say it’s stylistically and expressively mistaken, but still there is something incredibly fascinating in this performance. And now, of course, there are performances today that are stylistically much closer to Palestrina in externals, definitely, but which are as a rule also much more static.
>>130877126Now we have to ask ourselves, if that hits on something different here—that is the question. And I think that this ecstatic, fervent expression is missing today. In this performance, everything is at stake. Today it’s about professionalism. Today it’s about beauty, today it’s about flawlessness, and so on. And here, expressively, it’s truly about everything. Yes, and that is exaggerated for such music—externally exaggerated. If this externally exaggerated were compressed internally, then it wouldn’t have to be exaggerated anymore. It would simply have to be a forte instead of a fortissimo, and a piano instead of a pianissimo. And between this relative forte and relative piano, this music’s expressive range lies roughly there. Maybe it goes into pianissimo, but of course it won’t be that blaring. But we can learn something from this, and for that reason I would absolutely recommend listening especially to this recording of Palestrina’s Stabat Mater.As I said, stylistically it’s of course not Palestrina, but we can experience something there that is simply missing today, that has been lost. We talk so much about the existential dimension of music, but here music is being made existentially. There’s something else wonderfully beautiful on it that I then listened to. So the Magic Flute is of course wonderful, but especially the overture to La clemenza di Tito is so magical here, the way he does it. So he really was a great musician. That’s beyond any doubt.
Just listened to Monteverdi's Orfeo and the entire thing sounded the same from beginning to end.
>>130877614Yes but does it matter if it all sounds good?
>>130877637It sounded fine, don't know if I would call it good.
>>130877645try thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfEYU4ZiDIc&list=OLAK5uy_nBID-OOH8rx2KhsXx_JzPiaGvl6KN-Dmc&index=2
Der Rosenkavalier morninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAlvpU54gd0&list=OLAK5uy_lAJiGFx0trveSBJekHzTNJqvOnKwV3rKw&index=1
>>130877614>>130877645Basically how I feel about Medieval, Renaissance and early Baroque music. A whole bunch of monotonous music that's just fine.
>>130877656Well it's a bit different at least, but I guess this just isn't really for me.
>>130877726Welcome to the Bach and After, Shostakovich and Before Gang
It always blows my mind to remind myself Shostakovich was still alive when my mother was born. Or to put it in my other favorite way of reference, he was alive to have seen The Godfather in theaters.
For me, it's the Scherzo from Mahler 5https://files.catbox.moe/nkwr9q.flac
Gabriela Ortiz - Kauyumarihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmTjRV9BWV0
>Andris Nelsons is a bad conduc--ACK!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evN-9Y8B6GU&list=OLAK5uy_l55lBOM2SxuNQtyWgOVgVPc0WkVLdWVbw&index=21
>>130872806Ai nigger
>>130877923It's one of the few good uses of AI. Unless you're suggesting we pool our money and hire an artist to create some OC for this general.
Wagnerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMOLM5_Uibg&list=OLAK5uy_mdJ-QC52anzTanVRRpagD-fOSYnMwDKGE&index=5
I think it'd be cool if every classical piece had a proper name.
>>130878010I think it would be a lot of hassle to remember all of them.
>>130877932I suggest this general doesn't spend money or time or water creating OC based on such an unfunny meme
>>130878442Grope about in the fryer of Being all you like, hylic
now playingstart of Brahms: Violin Concerto in D Major, Op. 77https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr_8DLu-iAE&list=OLAK5uy_nobXv5jL5pgszgviFt1apPV29CMI-AvyM&index=2start of Berg: Violin Concerto "To the Memory of an Angel"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auaVNrkY1bA&list=OLAK5uy_nobXv5jL5pgszgviFt1apPV29CMI-AvyM&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nobXv5jL5pgszgviFt1apPV29CMI-AvyM>In this new concerto album one of the greatest violinist of his generation, Christian Tetzlaff, offers profound interpretations of two deeply dramatic and lyrical concertos - those of Brahms and Berg - together with the Deutsches Symphonie-Orchester Berlin conducted by Robin Ticciati. "Reasons of substance justify the recording of the Violin Concertos of Johannes Brahms and Alban Berg on a single album: both works concern existential human states of being. For me, the concerto by Johannes Brahms is a work that in a violin concerto dares to address very dangerous, abysmal, and profound states of the soul. Here an enormous contrast between ecstasy and total lonely isolation is in evidence. (...) Brahms also has a lot to say about pain. That's rare in violin concertos - and links the Brahms concerto to the one by Alban Berg. I've been playing both concertos for 40 years - and I've played both of them, taken together, much more than 300 times. Here it seems to me as though the experience of these pieces changes one's own life." (Christian Tetzlaff's liner notes)
>>130878562>Grope about in the fryer of Being all you like, hylicis that a line from Holderlin? i like it
>>130878562reddit is that way
>Dem Andenken eines Angels
>>130879089This was a 10/10 in the 1930s
>>130879068The ultimate... you have no idea what you're saying about Lord Scriabin, whelp. Continue down this path and you'll feel the heat of my demon left hand searing your insides. Don't tempt the shadows little puppy... LOL!
>>130879110i seriously don't get why you think I would read this
I hate to say it but the first movement of Brahms's violin concerto is simply too long and retreads the thematic material one too many times.
>>130879161Embarrassing, but I respect your opinion.
>>130879155What a dismal display LOL! Of course this pit of "saintly" whelps with their "refined taste" would prefer to anoint themselves with the soporific balms of... more palatable, more shall we say, normalfag composers. Heh, I guess I'll give a little credit to Mozart for the devilish stunt he pulled with The Magic Flute... if he weren't taken out too young who knows what might've been accomplished. It's obviously this cumjar of a general needed a lesson in the real purpose of the so-called "classical tradition", that is to say the revolutionary magick of Lord Scriabin. Bark for me, dog! Go on, I need entertainment!
confession: I've always found Stravinsky's The Firebird boring as hell. The full version. The suite is a marked improvement.
Scriabin... so based
>>130875021Listen to them in order then. Will listen to next 3 classical pieces in replies to this post and write my impressions over the weekend. I prefer strings and not a fan of a piano. Reasonable length (up to an hour) please.
>>130879537https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFEBkLThFkM
>>130879537Fuck you, listen to Scriabin. Don't care if you're not a fan of piano.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xka1fq_42fo
>>130879553Honestly, I liked some of the parts. And polytempo. But overall too many ugly parts to really enjoy. > The composer Benjamin Attahir, says of Al Asr: The third piece of a cycle based on the five elements of the Muslim salah, Al Asr is the afternoon prayer. My aim was to transcribe in musical form the atmosphere of this precise moment of the day. Harsh light, sweltering heat, the iridescence of the air as it makes contact with the surface of the ground–these are the images that have accompanied me as I wrote this quartet.”Don't see it. And I lived in Dubai for a few years and fairly familiar with muslim music or at least overall style. It is overall quite tonal if simplistic. >>130879616I like legato and pianists always betray me when they start using it as a percussion. > A. Scriabin: Vers la flammeThat sounded quite hard to play. Liked it more than the previous suggestion. Very agitating. Too short. But I think I would have preferred more buildup.
>>130878442>water>wasteHoly shit kill yourself you retarded monkey.
>>130879537>I prefer stringshere you go,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm7iMmkn_nM
>>130877882yup, this is worse than bad, it's terrible
I just realized I haven't listened to the Amadeus Quartet's cycle of Beethoven's String Quartets, despite the fact I love their Brahms and Mozart sets. Thoughts?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CAoBKYLfVQ&list=OLAK5uy_nCcXZT49RAYza6IEKz8LpI0zUyLYZ-YWo&index=5
>>130875069Linda Cardellini is somehow the most average looking but the most beautiful looking women of all time.However I would rather spend my time listening to Zelenka, Lotti, and Vivaldi. Get fucked Bach.
Wagner, Debussy, Scriabin, Chabrier, and Borodin. Give me these and non of that G*rman post-romantic nonsense.
You guys listen to classical while working out?
>>130881177Yes.https://old.reddit.com/r/classical_circlejerk/comments/g5t696/interesting_new_choreography_for_the_rite_of/
>>130880302meds
>>130880302Yeah, its not like potable water is a finite resource or anything, if we polluted all potable water in the planet we would still have potable water again... in a few hundreds or thousands of years or something, we can wait.https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=euJL7-r6lq4&list=OLAK5uy_k-Bc4O3FoUrM6-Xd1X4jV9gnP29k-ZQwI
How is it possible to have so much sovl?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwoQTtJ2Kmw&list=RDpwoQTtJ2Kmw&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7oATuVHRA8&list=RDw7oATuVHRA8&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLysjlexxrw&list=RDLLysjlexxrw&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpjoY9CZ_lI&list=RDbpjoY9CZ_lI&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4reZbhRBbWk&list=RD4reZbhRBbWk&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7CUzXevnh4&list=RDJ7CUzXevnh4&start_radio=1
>>130883076>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLysjlexxrw&list=RDLLysjlexxrw&start_radio=1charming!
it do be like that.
>>130881177I don't listen to music while working out.
>>130882789There's more than enough potable water for all citizens. No one gives a shit. Data centers consume like 0.5% of all water. Technological progress is not going to be halted simply because it upset some half-wit hypocritical technophobes. Fuck off.
can we not defend AI here of all places, please and thank you. yes, the OP pic is neat. however let's not do it again. much appreciated on behalf of the earth and humanity.
>>130881085Fauré, Koechlin, Messiaen
>>130881177I don't work out while listening to music.
>>130884170>welcome to the place with music and delicious rice>a day when you can listen to music is definitely a good thing>music. rice. encounters.I'm impressed that AI can make actual Japanese sentences in images now, but I am disappointed that they're as shitty, if not more so, than English slop
>>130874686I've always like Granados ever since my teacher had me play his spanish dance no 5 when I was in middle school. Feel like he doesn't get as much credit as he deserves.
>>130884170Why are you using computer? Why are you using the internet?
>>130884319That's like saying because you play Chess online, means you should also use Chess engines to cheat.
And yet again, the very next movie I pick to watch, has the weirdo character the only guy into classical. And you guys told me I was crazy...Gone Girl, for reference
>>130884360No, that's a false equivalence.
>>130884319What does that have to do with AI? Computing has existed since the 40s, ChatGPT was released four years ago.
>>130884402Sit, rat.
>>130884414And? AI is going to exist in 60 years from now on too. But it's going to be okay to use it then since 60 years have passed? Lol
>>130884452Computing was okay back then, it is okay now; AI is not okay now, it will not be okay then.
>>130884458Why? That's precisely what every small minded tard says and has said in history when presented with something new. Beethoven had a lot of critics resentful of his creativity.
>>130884464Since AI is basically the average of its training data, it will only ever produce mediocrity. And now that an increasing amount of content found online has been produced by AI, there will be a scarcity of new data to improve it, so it's unlikely that it will become meaningfully better than it is right now.
can we get back to classical please
Beethoven.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-6mQalB0ZI
>>130884493So Keilberth has conducted something besides Wagner and Strauss
>>130884498He has lots of stuff actually.
>>130884500I searched and opened this and it crashed my browser -- 27 hours of performances! neat.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgHV7nnGj_4&list=OLAK5uy_mD7DNE2VuOBlaEkTdVll37umab0mbOztk&index=74
>>130884478>Since AI is basically the average of its training dataNo it's not. Please quit being an annoying little pseud, you have massive dunning kruger moment. >so it's unlikely that it will become meaningfully betterAbsolutely not. AI doesn't just train on the present data, architecture is constantly being improved, curation improves performance, not to mention that new real-world and synthetic data are always available and improves models.
>>130884256Guy tried to save his thicc wife after the ferry they were on got torpedoed. Died a hero.
>>130884483No, the AI fag simply must justify his laziness and lack of talent with extreme mental gymnastics.
>>130884518>No it's not.Yes it is. Please quit being a boneheaded little dilettante, you have massive dunning kruger moment.>architecture is constantly being improved, curation improves performanceDiminishing returns.>synthetic dataAI inbreeding.
The most difficult decision in all of classical music: which recording of Bach's Goldberg Variations to listen to?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIujuXIwQms&list=OLAK5uy_k_Ansq8PCSw368Pr-WQZadbbmStPKRiRg&index=1warning: disgustingly slow tempo in the opening Aria for those who like a faster performance
>>130884544>AI inbreedingKek, that's a good analogy.
>>130884544>Yes it is.No it's not.>Diminishing returns.Literally not how it works. I accept your concession.
>women can't understand Bruckn--ACK!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uL7qqUY_Z8&list=OLAK5uy_mITFLdGSq6j4_kr3pWMC3jk71Z8TBRvvo&index=1
So has anyone listened to all 27 of Myaskovsky's symphonies and lived to tell the tale?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YO_dO-UEOA&list=OLAK5uy_nli2iEFnzg_uxEuRGEfzsOeefS4cW5BqA&index=44
>>130884686Yes.
>>130884688Was it worth it? What are the standouts? Could you tell them apart in a blind test? How often did you fall asleep to the somnolent, string-haze aesthetic?
>>130884693I haven't listened to any of them, can't say. But I'm sure someone else has.
>>130884697wtf scammer >:(
>>130884702No, I answered your question earnestly. Someone has listened to all 27, be it the performers who played the set or the conductor who recorded it. Or at the very least composer himself, in his head if not in live. I did not lie.
>>130884709But Myaskovsky and Svetlanov are dead, see my point? They did not live to tell the tale. They lost their life to the 27.
>>130884713False. They did live to tell the tale and died after that fact.
>>130884719You neither possess the information I'm looking for nor fun to banter with. I'm going to lay back down. Thanks for wasting my time, scammer.
Happy 99th birthday to the greatest living conductor today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTNsuN4xm08&list=OLAK5uy_nSLn5IVazW6L3YjT5OezQoU2MvQgpEkGg&index=52Is this the best Mozart out there? I can't imagine how one would improve upon this set.
>>130884923>fortepiano
>>130884923I appreciate him for trying to actually practice classical era-style improvisation.
>>130877846What a bizarre cover. Listen to the scherzo of the 7th
Beethoven uses too much repitition.
>>130885468He does. He's too autistic. That's why Chopin is the ony true God. Look at Fantasy Op. 49, totally free, improvisatory, rhapsodic, there's barely anything more wild out there:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEoM3Lby8FQBut one might rightfully suggest it's too free, so polonaise-fantaisie is the only correct answer to the GOATed piano masterpiece question:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdZu5z5u_jMIt is undeniable. It's like Beethoven autism but actually great. Also the only acceptable interpretation.
>Chopin
>>130885468Not as much as Schubert.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN_QDklfct4
>>130885468Those repetitive bits are the ones I like the most, it's like orchestral stoner metal
I love Wagner so much bros...
I've been meticulously working my way through the Mahler symphonies this past year. It's crazy how I've ended up loving every single one through repetitive listening, even if one didn't click at first. I'm currently digesting the finale of the 9th and Der Abschied from Das Lied (I love its rich, dark tone). The 8th and the 10th remain unheard for now, I'm looking forward to Barshai's recording of his own orchestration.
>>130886623Welcome to the club :)Barshai's 10th is fantastic, though a bit unconventional
>>130886484I'm beginning to feel the only operas worth listening to are the ones by Strauss, Wagner, and Mozart, with a couple exceptions here and there (eg Tchaikovsky's Eugene Onegin). The rub is they're worth listening to a thousand times over.
Scriabinbros, what do you all think about this unconventional cycle of the piano sonatas?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AngZ46d7WBI&list=OLAK5uy_kLS5V9tIywgAl17z7pohnDvyWevhR8Daw&index=12
>>130880667Never heard Weinberg before but certainly interesting. Should try to listen to something else by him.
>>130887615Like almost all lesser-known composers, he's undoubtedly second-rate, but he's got some really nice stuff.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km5ZTSEkfdAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPu-p7IbYTghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7Zs4Inj09setc
>>130887451>that coverKek. Wonder why they put the sheet music from the second worst sonata (6th) on it.
now playingstart of Grieg: Cello Sonata in A Minor, Op. 36https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45Xy62RVA6U&list=OLAK5uy_lw51lxRkyrSieFPyTsK3SVEa9bp_rc-D4&index=1start of Grieg: String Quartet No. 1 in G Minor, Op. 27https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwzbGN_7IDA&list=OLAK5uy_lw51lxRkyrSieFPyTsK3SVEa9bp_rc-D4&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lw51lxRkyrSieFPyTsK3SVEa9bp_rc-D4>If you're familiar with Grieg's piano concerto, you'll hear its melodic fingerprints (influenced by Norwegian folk dance tunes) throughout the present chamber works, notably in the Cello Sonata's first movement and the G Minor String Quartet's Intermezzo. The Sonata stands out for Truls Mørk's seamless bow arm, cutting edge fortes that never take a vulgar leap, and soft playing that whispers with fullness of body. His pianist, Håvard Gimse, proves an incisive equal partner, rather than deferential accompanist. For all its fullness of texture and quasi-orchestral scope, the quartet's abundant lyrical ideas linger longest in your inner ear. Mørk and colleagues offer a hard-nosed, terse performance characterized by gaunt, slashing double-stops and a less genial mindset than the Auryn Quartet's wistful slides and looser-limbed phrasing (on the CPO label). The quartet is well engineered in a resonant space, but the Sonata's drier sonics, by contrast, sound comparatively constricted. --Jed Distler
Oh how I wish there was a post-Schubert composer with 20+ piano sonatas.
>>130886623Barshai's 10th is my favorite along with Lope Coboz
>>130888989Why does Hurwitz shit on either? Not that he's my final authority on the matter, but he is knowledgeable and he completely dismisses both versions (and all versions that aren't Cooke's). This is especially odd for Barshai, since he routinely praises him and Barshai has an acclaimed reputation as an arranger/orchestrator
>>130885696dude you have 0 credit to call anyone else autistic
>>130889050because he is an actual, honest-to-God, total fucking moron. Just the fact that he automatically dismisses any non-Cooke version should tell you this. It's an unfinished symphony and yet he has pledged total alliagence to one particular completion. A total purist wouldn't even care for completions. An open-minded listener would check different ones. Hurwitz is stuck halfway, as a purist who still wants to listen to "Mahler's last symphony" so he sticks with the first version he heard as though it is the "real" or official one. No one in the field of music but an idiot would hold such a contrasting opinion.
>>130889054Autists can sense other autists.
Wagner-Maazel.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39KqWiKStoM&list=PL_hEkGSdpnzRg3xyJiXQffq5YdbrDlWlA
>>130887415Verdi doesn't make the cut?
>>130887415Verdi and Puccini are supreme.
I don't like opera. Not my thing at all
Where to find picrel as a reasonably sized ebook, preferably epub? Anna's Archive and Libgen only have a 1GB pdf
>>130890160not one single person asked you
>>130889714supreme fucking garbage yes
For optimal spiritual health, one ought listen to Liszt's Annees de pelerinage at least once a monthhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klAJX1ZkHKc&list=OLAK5uy_kC8vtn1D6KEjONU1-o_VWH6lXY91bnVJ4&index=24Listen to that piece and by the end of it you'll find yourself closer to God and His creation in all its splendor
>>130887649Thanks, I'll give it a try!
I wish more composers wrote cantatas, from the classical era to the romantic era on through the 20th century. Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Brahms, Schumann, Elgar, Rachmaninoff, Bruckner, and more, should all have some cantatas. At least Mendelssohn and Shostakovich and Mahler do.
>>130880829Yeah, the sonority and tone is way too harsh and analytical for me, particularly in regards to how I like (or in this case, don't like) my Beethoven. Sorry to say, but pass.
>tfw haven't listened to Beethoven 1, 2, 4; Bruckner 0, 1, 2; or Schubert 1, 2, 3, 4, 6>tfw don't ever intend on doing so
did you practice your scales today, anon?
>>130892314this but with Terry Riley.
>>130892314beethoven 4 is good, bruckner 0 1 and 2 are all good, and the rest are alright to good
Did movements always have such long pauses between them like conductors do now, or did past performers play them quick enough for the transition from one movement to the next to be seamless?
>>130886623Whenever I hear a new work I relisten to it until the work can be replayed in my head, or I can at least pick apart every theme. Because of that I sometimes listen to Mozart in my head.
>>130892327jesus christ
>>130893913You're not special. Almost everyone does that.
>>130893945I dont
>>130893913>Whenever I hear a new work I relisten to it until the work can be replayed in my headJust the ones you like or every work?
Feels like a Chopin's Nocturnes night. Let's go with Ashkenazy's sethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfVnGpziyUs&list=OLAK5uy_m6weSpAMU9zZv_dmJYoDd0XCPDv1XmfWs&index=1
>>130891982>haydn, mozart, beethoven, schubert, brahmsthey all wrote cantatas though...
>>130891982>>130894642Rachmaninoff also wrote cantatas, Spring is a cantata and The Bells is basically one as well.
>>130894642>>130894726okay but you guys see my point. It's like people saw Bach wrote 200 and no one else wanted to bother. It's like how people got intimidated by Beethoven's 16 string quartets or 32 piano sonatas.
>>130894781>okay but you guys see my point.I don't. Romantics valued scarcity and quality above quantity.
>>130894796In truth they spent too much time fraternizing and fucking off
>>130894796How ironic that this very attitude often meant the quality wasn't especially high either.
>>130894850Only if you're deaf, maybe.
>>130894781bach wrote 200 cantatas because it was his job. there was no incentive for those other composers to write this type of music (only mozart was employed by "the church" during his salzburg years and wrote plenty church music accordingly, but hardly any after his move to vienna).also, bach's cantatas were hardly intimidating, for the simple reason that they were hardly known by classical and romantic era composers. these composers were familiar however with bach's keyboard works (well-tempered clavier), and guess what? they weren't intimidated but rather inspired to write piano music influenced by bach.
hot take: Elgar is the greatest note-for-note (which basically means ignoring quantity, if you just take into account what they did write and their success rate) composer ever.
>>130894875This fatally compromises my narrative
>>130894870Silence, biased Romanticfag.
>tfw someone tells me they love Bach and I tell them I love Bach and we get to discussing Bach's music until they mention how they love some harpsichord recording, and I have to sit there and be polite and pretend I didn't just lose all respect for them
>>130894781It's more that Bach was paid to write 200 and no one else was.
>>130895064fucking based. bach also hated the harpsichord and was one of the first steinway exclusive artists
Olafsson's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3kK8w3kEQU&list=OLAK5uy_k2er6VZFwCAEa1zJPHWVY5vYAG8-TEM5w&index=14
>>130881066>Linda Cardellini is somehow the most average looking but the most beautiful looking women of all time.It's impossible for me to rewatch the show because the entire time I'm internally screaming "tfw no army surplus jacket linda c gf"
>>130894886Thank you pleb
What's the verdict on this Sergei Babayan Rachmaninoff recording?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wCXLCvSZOs&list=OLAK5uy_kNn7AmqS-hcoR1IaifWrP2Kxsrl-iXIbk&index=3The top community review on Amazon states,>To hear these works played with such loving attention is the perfect antidote to the “hardware Rachmaninoff” as played by too many young (and not so young) hotshots, and this disc is a strong refutation to those who claim Rachmaninoff was a mere hack with a knack for memorable tunes.Not sure what "hardware Rachmaninoff" means but that's a compelling quote!
Debussyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaUrJGNQc6w&list=OLAK5uy_kCtB8YEBKjAZ-eokRlqMsNZvqFdcvilYo&index=1
I absolutely worship this man and his extroverted joypilled/jesterpilled music. Bow to Il principe della musicahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0bt2xgv6k8&list=RDf0bt2xgv6k8&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olUDx-DS2gc&list=RDolUDx-DS2gc&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAnVLBi3PxA&list=RDfAnVLBi3PxA&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV1X90o020w&list=RDCV1X90o020w&start_radio=1
>>130896626>extroverted joypilled/jesterpilled music
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdQklKfSKzo&list=OLAK5uy_lQo0H-fa9of9yrbsLG5KFbO6wsG6JaCmk&index=1
how's this Steinberg/Pittsburgh Brahms cycle?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee5jkeMorME&list=OLAK5uy_kPMR_wucgwoSjdWrkYq51JStZzQgbeo_Q&index=1
>>130872806Listening to Tchaikovsky – Swan Lake Suite. Sometimes you wanna go back to basics.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tzvebu6U08Question to the thread: do you like listening to music while stoned? I hope you do, if that's legally available in your jurisdiction. In any case - highly recommended. I found that different composers benefit from the effect unequally. The most improvement for me is seen in Bach, who on a good (non-stoned) day sounds amazing but after a tiring day can sound like screeching. But high - damn. The pinnacle of music.
>>130897761This is a straight edge general.
>>130897761This proves that you need to be extremely dumb to love Bach.
>>130897761I don't like weed but I am high almost 24/7. I've been trying to reduce that though, and seek a clearer mind.
>>130895662>Romanticfag calling someone else a plebKek, chuckled.
>>130897978Excellent post, pleb.
>130898086Yeah, I'm not doing that back-and-forth low effort thing with you. Here's your (You), now run along.
>>130897606Good 2nd and great 3rd, meh 1st and 4th
>>130898207Meh 1st indeed
>>130896732You are neurotic
Scriabi's Diner
This album is so fucking good damnhttps://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mhX8xfPPtVWtwAx8499Seo4Kl5Hr3RFgg
Listen to Mr. Scriabi
>>130872806I love him so muchMuch less complex and than most of his other piano compositions but so atmospheric and beautiful https://youtu.be/mSo1ydPda0U?si=rCw_uMt_-4qfFt3l
>>130872806newfag here.found myself enjoying the "alberto lizzio" renditions a lot, even though he was larping as a real conductor.his backstory is quite fascinating. i only buy the budget cds because i can feel the struggle of the underpaid instrumentalists
>>130898864thanks for the shout, i do love me some Mutter
best rendition of the last movement I have ever heard
>>130900126I do like Wand's BPO Bruckner cycle. Been meaning to go through his other ones in their entirety.
Are they ever gonna add the Barshai Shostakovich cycle to YouTube Music? come on...
>>130897761I never smoked pot because too many people I know just became zombies due to it. I do enjoy music while drunk sometimes.
Just out of curiosity, does anyone here prefer Dvorak's symphonies to Brahms'?
>>130900553I would say I like Dvorak's 8th more than any of Brahms' symphonies, but Brahms on average was a far better symphonist.
Reminder: don't sleep on Dvorak 5 and 6https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JIn7hD8Sf0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9N6xQVWZfo
>>130900564I do like the 8th quite a bit. I once read a review where the critic wrote they thought the 8th was the greatest symphony of all-time. While I of course don't agree, it's always stuck with me, and perhaps will one day motivate me to reevaluate it to a higher stature.
how do you niggers decide what arrangement to listen to? like, okay, I want to listen to Beethoven's 5th, but what version do I choose? do I just go on YouTube, and click the first result or are their certain recordings I should always prioritize? I know theoretically all recordings should sound similar, but as someone who was in concert band in high school, I also know that's not actually the case
>>130901387Just find a recording from a reputable philharmonic orchestra, it's not that difficult anon
>>130901387Start with a babby's first choice for it. It doesn't really matter. Then keep going until you're acquainted with the work and then branch out, listening and A/Bing different versions until you settle on the one that ticks the most boxes for you. It's work, but it's the only way you're going to find out what you actually want to hear in a piece. Knowledge of the score helps.
>>130901387start out with popular ones or google like "beethoven 5th best recordings" and see what the people say. After you figure out what you like, you can listen around to the piece's key sections in different recordings to see which ones play it the way you prefer
>>130900553I do. I like Brahms but my favorite works of his are chamber ones.
>>130900553I'm only familiar with Dvorak's 9th and I must admit I'm not a huge fan. But imho it's easy to beat Brahms symphonies that isn't the 4th.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkxXFLRmqvwit doesn't get better than this, does it
>>130902368Uhh, yeah it does. Lol. Just from his orchestral music alone: symphonies no. 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, piano concertos no.4, 5, missa solemnis. Then there's the superior chamber music, quartets, violin sonatas etc., and SUPREME piano sonatas. Although Egmont Overture is pretty nice, yeah.
>my favorite Brahms works are the organ and choral works
>>130902660>organSo basically his piano works.
>>130902826https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0FhT39zqlQ
>>130901387Arrangement actually means something else in classical, here you'd use the word recording or performance.And yeah, your position is the most daunting part about getting into classical, where you don't know any names of conductors or orchestras so you don't have any reference for what you like and which to choose. So my usual recommendation is to start with a curated YouTube channel, and otherwise ask here.https://www.youtube.com/@incontrariomotu (focus on older recordings, generally Russian musicians)https://www.youtube.com/@cgoroo (focus on classic recordings)https://www.youtube.com/@olla-vogala4090https://www.youtube.com/@AshishXiangyiKumar (almost entirely solo piano music)basically I would to these channels (mostly the first one), and search, say, "mozart" or "elgar" or "violin sonata" or "string quartet" or "symphony" and just listen to whatever they had because they each are pretty well curated with great recordings, aka whatever they have uploaded, you know will be a good performance. Anyway, best of luck, enjoy, and feel free to ask whatever questions here :)
>>130903335I figured "arrangement" might have been the wrong word after I posted that, but I knew you guys would understand what I meant. thanks for the recs
>>130903787>but I knew you guys would understand what I meant.In the future you'd be wise to never underestimate the literalism and pedanticism of the autists of /classical/
now playingstart of Weinberg: Symphony No. 1 in G Minor, Op. 10https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcAtq6v25_s&list=OLAK5uy_lBHUOFiYqXPr3SfwSUd8gkbfEaTiXEXHA&index=2start of Weinberg: Symphony No. 7 in C Major, Op. 81https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wACfx2km0bY&list=OLAK5uy_lBHUOFiYqXPr3SfwSUd8gkbfEaTiXEXHA&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lBHUOFiYqXPr3SfwSUd8gkbfEaTiXEXHA>You have to be kind of a classical nerd to know about Weinberg, but he's worth seeking out. Although overshadowed by his contemporaries -- the biggest names in Soviet music, like Shostakovich, Prokofiev and Khachaturian -- Weinberg wrote some original and arresting music. In the fascinating Symphony No. 7 for strings and harpsichord, Weinberg tips his hat to the old baroque concerto grosso, while indulging his own introspective style. This finale is the heart and soul of the symphony, with odd contributions from the harpsichord, outbursts of demonic urgency and a few relaxed grooves. --npr.com, Tom Huizenga, June 2010
>>130903801noted. I will return after I listen to my first piece (probably in a couple months)
>>130903873>after I listen to my first piece (probably in a couple months)wtfare you listening to 30 seconds a day?
>>130903880no, but I am doing an autistic thing right now where I'm listening to all my spotify playlists in chronological order to build up my backlog of albums I want to listen to fully, and that's going to take a while to get through
You guys going to listen to the new young whipper snapper on the block
One day Prokofiev's War and Peace will be recognized as one of the 20th century's great operas.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_MVoGGT2jo&list=OLAK5uy_lXupXciuLFAMY9QJtHrnc_JCR7pDmYlnM&index=1
>>130874627Used to go for tea to his dacha as a kid. Never met him ofc as he'd passed by then. Probably what got me to listening to classical and loving Russian modernist music. Seeing glimpses of him in things inside, the people who knew him.
LISTEN to EGON Welleszhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0Jyqd_pfrw&list=OLAK5uy_k2HwkTmFpdCA3P-DZHhnqRhMUuQUf_QY4&index=5His symphonies are often described as modernist Bruckner.
>>130904365Sounds interesting, ill give one of his works a smell sometime
>>130893817Dunno lol
Why were all the major composers such spergs? Mozart pretended to be a cat, Wagner did wagner shit, Bruckner kept catalogues of teenage girls he liked
>>130904754Anything to get the ideas
>>130904754only spergs could conceive such beauty, but it comes with the downside of sucking at social life (unless you are Mozart, then you're just an alcoholic)
>>130904754Haydn was normal, most others were just alcoholics/drug addicts.
>>130904754>Bruckner kept catalogues of teenage girls he likedhe's just like me fr fr
>>130904365>He composed his First Symphony at the age of 60 and his Ninth at the age of 85. The timeless quality of his music was recognized by only a few of his contemporaries with a comprehensive musical education, and it has yet to enter the consciousness of the general public.Hm, intriguing.
What's the most nihilist piece of music ever?Nothing post 19th century please.
Weberhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbWm-PS77AQ
>>130905840https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUYkDvihpEM
>>130905713>>He composed his First Symphony at the age of 60 and his Ninth at the age of 85.so there is hope for me yet
This is pretty damn goodhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZEeuIVg4Pw&list=OLAK5uy_mqAQuEulTjzkji4gTEI6VfjsnKVIPnVvo&index=7
Amazon changed it to where you need an account (specifically "account verification" which for all I know probably requires them having my phone number or some shit) to read reviews, so cringe
>>130904754>Bruckner kept catalogues of teenage girls Based
>>130904754the emotional inspiration and meaning for Bruckner's late three symphonies is essentially>tfw no cunny gf
>>130884923I am impressed
>>130884923https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjZ81Nqj3Hs&list=OLAK5uy_mcFA6ifiqdlOhtt3tOGVHSMVEvXHcdnbA&index=43
>>130898887>>130899060Based Scriabin chads
>tfw no scriabin string quartet, violin concerto, oratorio, requiem, mass, cello sonata, piano triowhy live
>*ruins your favorite pieces*
>>130907548Yeah this was pretty good. Just a bit too clean for my liking, it's lacking that raw edge. The miniatures were fun. Nice record overall.
>>130907596disgusting
>>130909575you fell for the trap card: knowing what cunny means includes you in the disgustingness. pervert!
>>130905840>what's 2+2? and don't say 4
>>130909599>knowing what slang the website you are on uses to describe X makes you Xfeel free to kill yourself any time
>>130907687Based recognizer of ScriabiChads, here's a you(you)
>>130905916Victor Hugo apparently thought very highly of Euryanthe.
Scriabin is epic and based. Don't you want to be based, too?? Listen to Scriabin.
>>130910001Great advice.
>>130908075That's funny.
>>130910001Scriabincels really are the most juvenile composer cult.
What's Scriabin recording is best for opening my third eye and ushering in a new era of consciousness?
New Lukas Geniušas recording, just dropped, get it while it's hotstart of Tchaikovsky: Concert Fantasy, Op. 56https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaaZQTtG_04&list=OLAK5uy_kd2cSqyAGRPKt5AxjWlNtl99i6I5I7Ou0&index=2start of Schubert: Fantasie in C Major, S. 366https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFseSUBbKrQ&list=OLAK5uy_kd2cSqyAGRPKt5AxjWlNtl99i6I5I7Ou0&index=3>Pianist Lukas Geniusas pays tribute to the fantasy, a form synonymous with freedom, dear to the Romantics. Schubert sets the figure of the wanderer to music in his Lied Der Wanderer, which, a few years later, would give rise to a large-scale instrumental work: the Fantasy in C major, D. 760 (1822), later known as the "Wanderer" Fantasy. It's four-part structure could be that of a four-movement sonata cycle, but these sections follow one another without interruption in a continuous process, like an uninterrupted journey. Fascinated by this work, Liszt wrote his transcription for piano and orchestra in 1851, two years before his famous Sonata in B minor, which is also monothematic and unfolds as a single, vast movement. More in line with the classicists, Tchaikovsky cultivates virtuosity and instrumental brilliance in his Concert Fantasy of 1884. With the Sinfonieorchester St. Gallen, conducted by Modestas Pitrenas, Geniusas offers a rare (if not unprecedented) pairing of these two fantasies, separated by just over six decades.review,https://theclassicreview.com/album-reviews/review-schubert-liszt-wanderer-fantasy-tchaikovsky-concert-fantasy-lukas-geniusas/
>>130910183>album cover is a random picture of an oblique angle in a dilapidated housei'd be pissed if I were the musician, tbqhit's almost as bad as the Karina Canellakis Tchaikovsky 5 & 6 album cover with the AI generated chair and candelabra
This piece is so cutehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDnDFvEl0Mc
>>130910136i've been noticing this too
Do you have to be a composer, musician, or musicologist to enjoy Norgard's music?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmiVIk1OG3c
>>130901387Nigga I just look for a certain conductor or eastern bloc orchestra.
Symphony No. 9 in D minor, Op. 125, ‘With Chorus’ / Beethoven [Voiparoid]https://youtu.be/R4nAMp4_Y2k
>>130911378My new favorite recording of the 9th.
>>130910136>>130910775It's not that serious.
>>130910175These four should do the trick. If you had to choose one, go for Scriabin Recital.
new>>130912190>>130912190>>130912190
>>130901387Very simple.If there is a recording by Vienna Philharmonic with Karajan it's guaranteed to be the best. If not then Vienna with any other conductor (except for (((Bernstein))), he's trash). If not then Karajan with Berlin Philharmonic. After that it's a toss up.Just avoid US groups, they are not very good generally.
