Thinking back i believe he has made the argument that ratings are a sliding scale. Something done by Kanye needs to be rated differently then something done by an independent artist. Because we expect kanye to do better, we expect expert mixing. It's like comparing an indie garage rock album to radio heads discography. But shouldn't art stand next to all its peers? By making leveled system we are inherently putting people down for being skillful and minimizing the accomplishments of the unknown. Yes your albulm got an 8... but it wasn't a Taylor swift 8, it wasn't a death grips 8. It was more... Danny brown, or red jumpsuits. And at this point, does it make communication pointless? If i say this album is an 8, and another albulm is a 8. But they are vastly different in quality. Then I haven't really told you anything. How do we even compare genres? An 8 noise album vs chopped and screwed vs dub and or step vs rrriot girl? It requires ranking first the genre. Then we have to take into account notability so that we are comparing like to like. It gets so complex. Is the meme of saying an album is good. Not good, and decent actually communicating more information and better? These two albums are good. One can be better but both are good.
>>130897899>Was he right for this?already starting from a false premise, that there is right/wrong, good/bad taste.
>>130897899Didn’t read, but him having a specific criteria for every micro-sub-genre of music, essentially saying, “Yeah, it’s a 7… for its specific type of music,” should be a disclaimer on every video he makes.I guess he thinks that top album is a 7 for party rap, but MBDTF is a 5 for art rap, or whatever he’d consider it? I don’t know. I get it, but I don’t agree with it.Also, for what it’s worth, literally half of MBDTF is good, through pure metrics it’s a 5/10, but that first half is so astronomically good that it’s worthy of giving the album a 10 anyways.
>>130897907Doesn't there nessarily have to be good and bad and wrong and right? When ever ranking of any kind is involved. Otherwise it feels meaningless. If its all so highly subjective that we can't agree on a base line then communication cannot exist.
he was just doing it to be contrarian to p4k who gave it a 10, he would later give other kanye projects a 10 thoughmbdtf is super overrated because of p4k, and i laugh every day that their pet negroid, ye, ended up being a mentally ill nazi cuck who sucked his cousins dick
>>130897940Please read my amphetamine driven rants anon.But yes. You're pretty much right. Though its not genre, its ability and consistency. I expect kanye to be good. Therefore good is his baseline so 5/10. I don't expect pump to be good. So his baseline is lower, and being good puts him higher. I do get it. But as someone who doesn't have tons of time where I can truly and really listen and digest music. I need to be picky. So in my case telling me pump is a 7 and Kanye is 5? Well that would have me instantly setting up the studio to listen to pump on tape in a three piece suit with a glass of wine and cigar.
>>130897981Why did you say all that stuff like it wasn't pure aura? Some of his best and most experimental sounds came from that run. With small nuggets of truth. I like my artist to be broken, drug addicted and mentally ill.
>>130898033Yeah, Fantano never should have been looked at credibly. He either needed to make videos about his actual, set criteria, or just not apply numbers to it, and just say if he liked it, loved it, was neutral, or hated it.
You should have a different expectation for a blockbuster Christopher Nolan picture than a low budget independent film. Art should be evaluated on its own purpose/intent and if it achieved it creatively. Fantano gargles balls regardless of this.
>>130897980>Doesn't there nessarily have to be good and bad and wrong and right? When ever ranking of any kind is involved. Otherwise it feels meaninglessI get what you mean, but, while this wasn't even my main point, I don't think even that follows. just because you personally feel not having a(n objective) criteria for music, say, is meaningless, doesn't mean there really is such a(n objective) criteria. it also doesn't follow that for a given general object of evaluation (e.g. music) that the different, particular objects must necessarily differ in their fundamental value; that already presupposes something of a system, a criteria.>If its all so highly subjective that we can't agree on a base line then communication cannot exist.we don't need to like something - at all, or to the same extent - to faithfully convey our feelings. perhaps (with anything) you could say that what I understand you to mean by a given statement is ultimately an assumption - perhaps I understand you fully, partially, or not at all - and perfectly thorough proof that I fully understand you is impossible, but that doesn't mean that my understanding cannot perfectly match what you were trying to convey. we're humans, we have similar experiences, we enjoy things, we dislike things, we are indifferent to things; we like technical things, we like simple things, etc.for me, one simple way to deal with the question of objective/subjective criteria is to ask where it comes from, and by what authority. there seems to be no ultimately authority or absolute criteria, so it's necessarily subjective. doesn't mean we can't communicate our taste to one another.
>>130897981I hate Pitchfork. MBDTF is still the greatest album of all time though. Either that or Donda.
>>130897907well when you scored albums numerically, then you create a right and wrong, if he just did reviews devoid of scores then you'd have a argument
>>130897899Say what you will about Lil Pump, but I doubt there's anything on there that drags on like the end of Blame Game
>>130900904i hate to think i'm defending fantano but the number really is just how much he liked it. there are lots of things that go into liking music because it's subjective. just because it's a number doesn't mean he's using a rubric and checking boxes
>>130900935Is that the one with Chris Rock? That shit was fucking cringe, and I mean that in the literal sense that I physically cringed while listening to it. What was he thinking?
>>130898049You should be 18 to post on here
>>130898107>Nolan as an arbiter of quality Why are normalfags like this? Ffs even Villeneuve completely obliterates that hack in his own game of "le art blockbuster".
>>130902385Did I say that anywhere shithead. His latest output has been shaking at best. Sloppenheimer was criminally overrated. Because at this point he has already made Memento, Dark Knight, Inception, you would expect better than Durkirk or Tenet. The point is you judge something based on their discography/filmography and artists like Kanye or Nolan with some amount of pedigree and expectations over debut films/albums. Mouth breathng retard do you need to be spoonfed.
>>130899127This is bait. I literally stan ye and I wouldn't say this shit. Fucking donda?? Ye wouldn't even put donda in his own top 5.
>>130901015But it can't be. Because regardless of if its a meme or not. He does no numeric scoring. Normally for low performing albums. A not good. Its okay, etc. Which I find to be more straightforward and informative. If i don't know the artist, then I dont know what the fuck a 6 means.
>>130902376Jokes on you, I turn 29 not too soon... i won't have a party, but I'll listen to a comfort album and maybe play vidya.
>>130897899Rap Not MusicMore like heavy 0literally the lowest IQ, dumbest genre of "music" that should only exist on Reddit.
