Does knowing a musician is a scumbag have any influence over your feelings towards their music? It shouldn't I guess in theory but sometimes it can't be helped
>>130961581I've heard Charlie was really into chicken before. Isn't that where his nickname came from?Man I hope that's true. Would be fucking funny if one of the greatest black musicians of all time was obsessed with chicken
>>130961581This isn't terrible, you're just a sissy
requesting an mspaint drawing of a crying basedjak head of miles davis sticking out of a cab while sex sounds can be heard from within
>>130961581celebrities get most of the flack for being shitty people but like 99% of all humanity does even more disgusting shit. they’re just not famous so nobody cares. all celebrities are shitty people and I don’t care anymore.
>>130961581beatles, led zep: they had underage groupies
>>130963519I'm in the remaining 1%. They will be judged.
>>130961581Bebop was degen modern art tier shit by heroin addicts pushed by the Rothschilds. This is a factual statement and if you disagree you're full of shit.
>>130961581this whole thing happened again many years later but it was bono and thom yorke
>>130967659do you think this /pol/ flavoured historiography impresses anyonebebop rules. stay mad
>>130961581>>13096352760s harry styles (john lennon) beat his meat. IT'S BEATDOWN TIME! I'M GAY!
>>130971476It is quite literally just a statement of undisputable facts. You are seething.
>>130971476Both things can be true. For the visual arts, Abstract Expressionism was government funded. The art movement already existed, it's not that the feds created it, but they funded and promoted it for propaganda. Same with bebop; it existed, musicians were already playing it. But the feds would financially support and promote it for the same reasons. To many, these genres (well, the artists behind them) seem degenerate, but that was the point. In America, you can be a loose degenerate that is barely tied to society, because it's all about FREEDOM. At least that's the image they want foreign powers to see.
(((reasons)))
>>130971505the issue is that you retards spin the story as if it were "da joos financed degenerate music to destroy da west!!!" when what actually happened was that ONE (1) jewish bitch used daddy's money to finance a bunch of jazz musicians she liked. by the way there's this jewish cultural critic called Adorno. i'm sure you've heard about him. you'll never believe what he thought about jazz
>>130972594She financed all major bebop acts and also funneled money to magazines like Downbeat to relentlessly promote bebop and shit on other types of jazz in order to influence public perception. It doesn't take more than one kike with inifnite money to do such a thing and in fact she was just a proxy for a collective of zionists. You are dangerously naive and stubbornly ignorant.
>>130972650>She financed all major bebop acts Yeah so I've heard, but in any case I already like her man you don't have to convince me further>It doesn't take more than one kike with inifnite money to do such a thing"One jew did it" is quite different than "the jews did it". I for one would like to avoid this kind of tribalistic collective punishment, I wouldn't want to be fucked on behalf of King Leopold>and in fact she was just a proxy for a collective of zionistsOf course she was. Oh if it weren't for those evil jews we'd all be listening to wholesome songs from Bing Crosby and Al Bowlly instead of this lustful negro saxophone music. What happened to those days?
>>130971476Trumpet noodling is lame bullshit only psueds like
>>130972782I respond with fact and discuss the real world. You can only respond with adolescent irony after getting caught feigning ignorance. You are a slime with no real thoughts and you listen to trash.
>>130972933>I respond with fact and discuss the real worldCitation needed for "the proxy for a collective of zionists" thing... I guess no jew has any agency or has ever acted independently. It's all a hivemind of evil west-hating zionists right?>You are a slime with no real thoughts and you listen to trashThe /pol/tard called me a drone, what will I do. I'm into Wagner and Mahler mostly if you must know, and the jazz I dig is cool rather than bop>>130972858Sure, but we're lucky Bird played the sax
>more adolescent ironyLet me try: Oh what will I do.
>>130973230Next time it'll be the third you fail to provide a source for that "proxy for a collective of zionists" nonsenseAnd don't forget my (You), you broke ass bitchAct niggardly and you're grouped you with the stingy jews you hate
>>130973352The Rothschilds are irrefutably zionists. Pannonica de Koenigswarter is not only a Rothschild but also directly received funding and legal support from them during her activities involving bebop musicians. These are facts. What's your next empty adolescent cope?
>>130973468>What's your next empty adolescent cope?Please don't be upset when I reply in earnestYou specifically said she acted as proxy for a collective of zionists. Pointing out that the Rothschilds are zionists and that rich jew daddy financed his jazz-obsessed daughter as she splurged in New York does nothing to prove that her patronage of fast saxophone music was done specifically to push some broader zionist agenda, acting on behalf of a cabal of zionists rubbing their hands in a round table. It isn't sufficient that her family was zionist, it isn't even sufficient that she in particular was zionist, you have to demonstrate how (1) the patronage itself is downstream (essentially, too, not incidentally) from zionist interest, and not just the whim of some rich jewish girl in New York, and (2) that the financing of said jewish princess was done purposefully so that she kept pushing said zionist agenda, and not, say, what rich parents usually do with their good for nothing kids. Do you get the issue now? The thing is that you just struggle with inference outright, you point out a few facts I know already and act as if simple enumeration was roughly equivalent to arguing for the conclusions you extrapolate from them
>>130961581Vast majority of musicians are freemason mind control victims so they never had a choice so i cant blame them for anything, the rest willingly eat humans and that doesn't change how I feel about their music
>>130973971Nice try at moving the goalpost but no. I post facts, you post copes. And don't forget my (You), kid.
>>130974055I didn't move the goalpost, I don't think you really know what that meansAs a refresher here's what you said at post >>130972650>It doesn't take more than one kike with inifnite money to do such a thing and in fact she was just a proxy for a collective of zionists.Keyword here is "proxy". I don't think you know what that means either, but it is specifically what you said, it's the thing you're arguing for. If you do know what "proxy" means, you failed to make a case for that. Go do that, so far all you've done is point out that>the family is a zionist>the girl in the family financed bebop>therefore......which is homeomorphic to a "Hitler drank water" meme
>>130974147The claims are a mix of selective facts and conspiratorial overreach. Pannonica de Koenigswarter (née Rothschild) was indeed a member of the British Rothschild branch and a dedicated patron of bebop musicians like Thelonious Monk and Charlie Parker, providing personal financial help, housing, legal support in her 1958 marijuana case (with some family assistance), and friendship amid the era's racism and industry hardships. However, her family sometimes disapproved of her scandalous lifestyle, leading to reported funding strains, and her patronage reflected genuine bohemian passion rather than any coordinated Rothschild agenda. While certain Rothschild family members (especially the French branch, such as Edmond de Rothschild) were major early funders of Zionist settlements in Palestine, the family as a whole has never been monolithic—many branches were assimilated, intermarried, or politically diverse, and labeling "the Rothschilds" as "irrefutably Zionists" ignores this nuance and proves nothing about Nica's jazz activities, which had no documented link to Zionism. This is standard biographical history, not evidence of a grand plot.
>>130973971This. Don't waste time with those retards. It's just tiresome
>>130974359I don't know what you're gesturing at with this LLM post
>>130974402Those are the facts for anyone here wondering
Total jazzcel niggerfaggot death
>>130961581Miles was full of shit
>>130972182(((I see...)))
>>130972182damn you can do heroin all the timefuck tons of white bitchesand still get to live to 53im living all wrong
The idea of separating the art from the artist is fucking stupid. The art is the artist, but thinking that you must be morally aligned with every person who's art you consume is the dumbest fucking shit ever.>>130963519This
>>130972182She looks like Mr. Burns in that photo
>>130978747>The official causes of death were lobar pneumonia and a bleeding ulcer, but Parker also had advanced cirrhosis and had suffered a heart attack and a seizure. The coroner who performed his autopsy mistakenly estimated Parker's 34-year-old body to be between 50 and 60 years of age.
>>130963519>celebrities get most of the flack for being shitty people but like 99% of all humanity does even more disgusting shitidk about you but i never had a bitch suck me off in front of another dude as i ate from a bucket of fried chicken
>>130961581Imagine the smell in that cab
All musicians are scumbags. That's why they are musicians.t. musician
Miles should have ate her out while she sucked bird dick and stuck a drumstick in her asshole while he did it
>>130983376Wat is some things musicians do
>>130963477make it yourself you lazy cunt
>>130983119Bebop musicians were especially bad for their era. Really they were all junkies.
>>130967659Yes, and it's still great music.
>>130985036Post something great.
Hard Bop > Bebop.
>>130984957>>130983376jazz musicians yes they were always degenerates. most of the housewife pop people in the 50s seemed to be very normal and NPCs though.
>>130985157Anita O'Day and Billie Holiday ran with the best of them for degenerate behavior. No one has ever figured out how O'Day lived to 86, she should have made it to 52 at most with her lifestyle.
>>130985157rock and roll and R&B guys could be pretty degenerate, white bread pop musicians in the 50s for sure were the least. i'd find it hard to believe Patti Page ever did anything on a Saturday night except crotcheting and reading the newspaper.
>>130961581To be fair, this kind of shit was just business as usual for bands like Motley Crue and Guns and Roses. Those motherfuckers made Charlie Parker look puritanical.
>>130985290Parker lived back before legalized porn.
>>130985157Nile Rodgers said when he was a kid his parents were always having jazz musicians over to the house and they'd be shooting up heroin in front of him.
>>130985290it came to pass that Millenials have the morals of a 50 year old church secretary from Kansas and boomers and Gen X complained they're not degenerate enough
>>130985301Charlie Parker introduced hentai to the United States
>the Rolling Stones sticking candy bars in Marianne Faithfull's cooch while she was passed outstuff like that
>>130985306No wonder he sucks so bad at guitar
>>130985290Best books containing these stories?
>>130985157>>130985306>>130985174You're thinking of bebop. Jazz musicians before bebop were mostly just alcoholics and potheads.
>>130985355Top kek.
>>130985174there was a fine line between jazz and pop back then. Frank Sinatra was pop, he was an interpreter and didn't do improv singing like Anita O'Day or post-40s Peggy Lee.
Improvisation is not a requisite of jazz.
It don’t mean a gram if it ain’t got that jamShubap dupap bap bap boo do dat dang
>>130961825No one really knows where his name is from. Miles is probably bullshitting with that one (if he even wrote the story himself), but Jay McShann has a story about the band hitting a chicken with their car and Charlie Parker saving the carcass to fry it later.
>>130974032even woody guthrie?
>>130975829t. wpop fag
>>130986114actually the entire point of jazz is you improvise over a static beat
>>130986684No
>>130961581what I love Charlie Parker now. he was based as fuck."suck my dick while I drink whiskey and eat chicken"... does it get any more alpha than that?
recs to start listeing tho charlie parker or a brief guide to his different style eras?
>>130986079All the crooner/jazz guys started to south in the 60s with steadily poorer quality material.
>>130986830*started to go south I mean
what distinguished bebop from earlier times is that it was a niche music for addled bohemians unlike prewar jazz which was normie music to dance or party to
>>130986844That's how rock happened, because jazz wasn't danceable anymore,
>>130986809this is the best session he ever did in terms of sound quality
>>130986844newfags actually believe this
>>130986844i'd think most of David Brubeck was pretty much party music for the Playboy reader types though?
>>130986830Miles Davis eventually embraced fusion to survive but most of his peers didn't long outlast the 50s and just kept doing the same modal jazz runs every night for the rest of their lives.
>>130986961Yeah and then those guys are still doing the same modal jazz runs every night...but through an amplifier. I've got to hand it to Miles Davis himself though. He actually plays using space, phrasing and melody instead of just doing rapid fire passing notes over chord changes. He can actually begin and end a phrase when many jazz musicians from the 50s to today do the musical equivalent of babbling like a baby.
>>130986961Also it didn't help that critics didn't want to move past the 50s and kept attacking any attempts at modernized jazz sounds.
>>130986998Coltrane or Oscar Peterson or those guys were exactly that, mostly just flexing how fast they could play.
>>130986881thanks
>>130987017there were always moldy figs, there were people in the big band era who said jazz peaked in 1927 and it was all down from there, but eventually they won the argument and musicians started listening to them instead of going o rly?
>>130987111this one is even better in terms of audio but theres so many players taking solos on this
>>130987276>Ben WebsterBased
>>130978770>art is the artistWhen the artist is high out of his mind on drugs
