Kurt Atterberg editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ydKh38fN0UThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>130953775
When you think about it, baroque/chamber pop albums are modern oratorios.*runs*
add this set to your library NOWhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duaeqzgOz5E&list=OLAK5uy_nWJv0Kv7t_7z9vgetnDjosVeZ4KUp_xtw&index=5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3a_pTzvm5g&list=OLAK5uy_nWJv0Kv7t_7z9vgetnDjosVeZ4KUp_xtw&index=9https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdTryREiXto&list=OLAK5uy_nWJv0Kv7t_7z9vgetnDjosVeZ4KUp_xtw&index=10https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-bme3M2myw&list=OLAK5uy_nWJv0Kv7t_7z9vgetnDjosVeZ4KUp_xtw&index=26https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neolPuxRhEQ&list=OLAK5uy_nWJv0Kv7t_7z9vgetnDjosVeZ4KUp_xtw&index=34https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhYLA9qr8LM&list=OLAK5uy_nWJv0Kv7t_7z9vgetnDjosVeZ4KUp_xtw&index=60https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deH0vkm5dL0&list=OLAK5uy_nWJv0Kv7t_7z9vgetnDjosVeZ4KUp_xtw&index=81>One of the most prolific British composers of the 20th century, Sir Malcolm Arnold remains best known for his phenomenal success in film (including an Oscar for his score for David Leans 1957 classic The Bridge on the River Kwai) and light music, a broad selection of which is included in Sony Classicals new 11-CD anthology along with 11 concertos. But the heart of his output, the works he regarded as his testament, are the nine symphonies, composed at fairly regular intervals between 1949 and 1986, with musical influences ranging from Holst and Vaughan Williams to Tchaikovsky, Mahler and Sibelius. Vernon Handleys recordings from the 1990s, many of them made in the composers presence, are a touchstone for this repertoire. As Gramophone declared: Its Handley who best conveys the sinewy logic and thrusting cogency of Arnolds symphonic odyssey.
>>130975408*shoots you in the back*
STOP listening to Mahler, Bruckner, Wagner, Schoenberg, and all Romantic poseurs and charlatans of all varietiesSTART listening to JS BACH, VIVALDI, Handel, Telemann, Scarlatti, Corelli, Pachelbel, Monteverdi, Couperin, Lully, Buxtehude, CPE Bach, etc and ALL Baroque composers that mathematically imprint graciousness and splendor upon this world
>tfw tasteless
now playingstart of Bax: Fifth Symphonyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38lBAyB41lc&list=OLAK5uy_nSBOmt7ItlgpPT4gtYulVo5YyXjMDKfvY&index=14start of Bax: Sixth Symphonyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frP191CDd7w&list=OLAK5uy_nSBOmt7ItlgpPT4gtYulVo5YyXjMDKfvY&index=17start of Bax: Seventh Symphonyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1BovMqFVQc&list=OLAK5uy_nSBOmt7ItlgpPT4gtYulVo5YyXjMDKfvY&index=21>Bax called himself "a brazen romantic....my music is the expression of emotional states." The symphonies, written between 1921 and 1939, certainly reflect both inner and outer events: the Irish Uprising, which deeply affected Bax, who loved Ireland and lost many friends to the "troubles," World War I and the looming threat of World War II. Perhaps the most striking and pervasive characteristic of the music is contrast. All the symphonies have three movements divided into many sections with different tempo indications, signaling changing mood and character. Indeed, moods change constantly, often abruptly and violently; dynamics surge and swell, climaxes build with increasingly ferocious power. The orchestration is masterful, creating color, texture, atmosphere and expression; at full throttle, the sound shakes the rafters. The music is predominantly serious, somber, dark, with outbursts of passion, turbulence, bitterness and anger, relieved by unexpectedly rambunctious and martial sections. Every symphony opens on low instruments, setting a dark, ominous mood, but several end with a triumphant flourish, while others fade away with an Epilogue in serenity or resignation. No. 7 is regarded as Bax's compositional farewell, No. 4 as "cheerful and blustery." The form is sometimes cyclical, with opening material returning in another guise, which, for the naked ear, is difficult to discern. Most memorable are the truly beautiful, luxuriously lyrical melodies that abound especially in the slow movements. The playing is first-rate throughout. --Edith Eisler
>>130975771I don't take orders from tranime pedos and I will continue to listen to Mozart unabated by the inferior composers before or after.
>>130975771If you can't appreciate Bruckner, there's something wrong with you.
Beethoven? No thanks, I prefer Vaughan Williams.Bach? No thanks, I prefer Purcell.Mozart? No thanks, I prefer Byrd.Haydn? No thanks, I prefer Tallis.Brahms? No thanks, I prefer Elgar.Schumann? No thanks, I prefer Britten.Mendelssohn? No thanks, I prefer Holst.Bruckner? No thanks, I prefer Arnold Bax.Mahler? No thanks, I prefer Malcolm Arnold.Tchaikovsky? No thanks, I prefer Walton.Schubert? No thanks, I prefer George Lloyd.Chopin? No thanks, I prefer Michael Tippett.Dvorak? No thanks, I prefer William Alwyn.Sibelius? No thanks, I prefer Delius.Shostakovich? No thanks, I prefer Thomas Ades.Liszt? No thanks, I prefer John Foulds.English classical supremacy NOWhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0G1gdKJkHw
>So, I have nothing especially important to write about this. I mean, this is Glenn Gould. This is the Bach master. This is the Chuck Norris of the piano.average gould ghoul sister
The opening of Beethoven 5 is so iconic I can't take it seriously. Anyone else know this feel?
>>130976735I know what you mean, but I've listened to it from beginning to end so many times that I no longer associate it with anything.
>Steeeeerben werd ich um zu leeeeeeeben>STEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERBEN WERD ICH UM ZU>LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE>BEEEEEEEEEEEN
I want to like Bax's symphonies so bad but I just don't think the diffusive, atmospheric stuff is for me. My ear likes something concrete it can follow along with. Same reason I don't love Debussy.
>>130977168Bax isn't really static and "atmospheric" like Debussy or other moderns. He's very Romantic and heavily motivic, just densely orchestrated with thick chromatic harmony.
>>130977179I mean a lot is happening in the sense that there's always sounds and variations going on, true, but there aren't really any discrete melodies or development. It's like a painting that slowly changes color.
>>130977196There absolutely are discrete, often very traditionally lyrical melodies. You are probably missing them for the reason I stated: thick orchestration and harmony that make it easy to get lost in the soup. I'll give two examples, from Symphony No. 2 and Garden of Fand:second movement lyrical theme: https://youtu.be/J3y9AETqco8?t=1086the Fand love theme: https://youtu.be/DA7U2AsbHC0?t=557His music, like most Romantic music, is based on a mix of motivic development/transformation and lyrical melodicism. It is just very sludgey, to use the Hurwitz term.
>>130977236Soupy indeed. Plus it doesn't help that the Handley recordings emphasize the wall-of-sound orchestration. Maybe I should swap for the David Lloyd-Jones Naxos set.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQYHIjK8TkA&list=OLAK5uy_nSBOmt7ItlgpPT4gtYulVo5YyXjMDKfvY&index=2I listen to this movement and by the end it's like "wait what happened?"
>>130975771based, but fuck anime.
>>130975771cringe, but bless anime.
>>130976474no thanks. I prefer music.
STOP listening to... nothing!START listening to everything. Keep an open mind. All these composers are great for a reason. They worked hard all their lives to develop their styles and hone their craft. Every period has its own special features, and you have to acquire the taste to understand them.
>>130978317 Yeah, true. But admittedly romantics reign supreme above all and Chopin is the one true God.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxp3IQ6pxYs
>>130978380Shut the fuck up
>>130978421No.
The greatest pianiat and possibly the greatest conductor in the only recording they made together:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbdlltnla70
>>130979215too bad they are wasting their time playing Chopin
>>130979710What's worse is that there is really no one better than Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oE94hs_0g8
did you listen to it yet?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ory2NxlH524&list=OLAK5uy_kb6vJ3uACc6UXkOI_smvbSXMPbPC5aIhM&index=79
>>130975771no, Mahler is great. I had the opportunity to see his 8th Symphony live and it was magical.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8qT2A9k880
Boccherinihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmKo0zL_6-o
>>130975771>no mozartFurther proof...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Evxx8__Qaj0
>>130980390>I had the opportunity to see his 8th Symphony live and it was magicI'm jealous.
What was the biggest pre-Beethoven orchestra?
>>130979780A stodgy autismal over-conservative music professor and piano-fetishist was teaching a class on Chopin, known lardass.”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship the Romantic era and accept that it was the most productive period in the history of Western art music, even more than Viennese Classicism!”At this moment a brave, impeccably dressed, inebriated amateur pianist who had just kissed the bodypillow of his fictional wife and understood the folly of a(r/u)tistic movements such as serialism and fully supported the preservation and continuation of the true old masters' legacies stood and held up a composition notebook.”Professor, do you recognize this piece?”The arrogant professor smirked quite eastern catholically as he leafed through the notebook. "Why, there's nothing in here but blank paper, you stupid pedophile. Is it 4'33"?""No. It's an opera. If Chopin, as you say, is categorically the greatest composer of all time... then he should have written one, and it should be in this book."The professor was visibly shaken and dropped his chalk and 80-disc Rubinstein boxed set. He stormed out of the room crying Chopin fanboy crocodile tears, the same tears all autismal fanboys cry when someone else's favorite composer is different from theirs. There is no doubt at all that our professor, an anonymous craven coward who balked at accepting responsibility for his 4chan posts by using a tripcode on /mu/, wished he had taken the time to appreciate music beneath its surface aesthetics and understand the incalculable grace and poise of the great Classical masterpieces and deep intellectual current which runs beneath their simple veneer. As he gooned to blacked porn while listening to Nocturne in E-Flat in the final moments before his suicide, he wished so much for a requiem mass to be sung at his funeral, but alas! The lazy Chopin had neglected to write any of those, either!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYxKzFnJcxI
Speaking of Mahler: he famously completed an opera by Carl Maria von Weber called "Die Drei Pintos" and in the process probably fucked Weber's wifehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IqE0T21PC4
>>130982742to be exact, Weber's grandson's wife
>>130980047yes when I was listening to all of Hamelin's recordings https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aUJmV53bG8
>>130982742huh I'm shocked I didn't know this
now playingstart of Weinberg: Symphony No. 5 in F Minor, Op. 76https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd8W8Oxnl74&list=OLAK5uy_nNFCBDDcc9jaeXh4umlLjl3rGNipl2hTg&index=2start of Weinberg: Symphony No. 10 in A Minor, Op. 98https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYOCv_3bIck&list=OLAK5uy_nNFCBDDcc9jaeXh4umlLjl3rGNipl2hTg&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nNFCBDDcc9jaeXh4umlLjl3rGNipl2hTg>Melodiya presents a collection of selected symphonies by Moisey Weinberg. Weinberg's vivid composing individuality, which combined elements of Jewish, Polish and Russian national cultures, allows us to speak about him as one of the most significant phenomena of domestic music of the second half of the 20th century. This collection features Symphonies Nos 5 and 10 composed during the period of the composer's most intensive creative activity in 1960s. A Fifth Symphony is philosophical and deep with wealth of slow tempos. The Tenth Symphony became one of the composer's creative peaks. Old genres and forms are organically combined here with music techniques of the 20th century. The outstanding Soviet conductors Kirill Kondrashin and Rudolf Barshai played a significant part in popularizing Weinberg's works. Many of Weinberg's composition were performed for the first time by the orchestras founded by the two conductors the Symphony Orchestra of the Moscow Philharmonic Society and the Moscow Chamber Orchestra. The Fifth Symphony was recorded by Kondrashin in 1975, and the Tenth one by Barshai in 1970.
Anyone here actually enjoy listening to Paganini's 24 Caprices?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rFzxptwYZ8In its entirety, I mean.
>random piano concert>encores with Fantasie Impromptu It's all so tiresome
Faurehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-yfY8dE1z0&list=OLAK5uy_khtfg_9RSMF6Mg0UeujFhpdRAsgCiUcBI&index=3
I don't wanna name names but I've been listening to a lot of 20th century symphonies lately and my god, some of them are dull as hell -- however, the thought I've had is I think a lot of those would actually work pretty well if heard in a concert hall, as opposed to listening at home. So I'll cut them a break.
>>130985052I had a fantaisie impromptu kick lately and damn, Koczalski really mogs everyone else here, even though initially I thought Hofmann was unbeatable with that tempo and all around perfection, but Koczalski brings this piece to life hundreds times any modern pianist ever could. Hell, one of the best piano performances of all time, the dynamic range alone in a single phrase is more expressive than almost anything else I can think of, let alone the shading and color, as if two different pianos or orchestral parts are playing, look at 02:08, how that end of the phrase lingers on and seamlessly blends into the next one with sostenuto pedal I assume? And that ritardando and arching phrase itelf is cathartic. This is genius.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au33_fvyJng
>>130984436> Started listening.> Twenty five minutes and two movements of fine music later> Youtube decides to play some Ch*pin > Immersion ruinedGod damn I hate user-hostile design.
>>130985052It's a nice piece
>>130985429Based youtube
I love this granpa so much its unrealhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQZH6N6MPRI&list=OLAK5uy_lZZhmcacHkiK7AIU4D2PIQo5IF8airGgUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPZB5Tiui5I&list=PLJA6acMuhJ0jpAPquBRSHbzq105vUJVoc
>>130978317Based, and bless Pepe
>>130985587err I don't see any drone aspect whatsoever to this music
>>130985713...well now I'm embarrassed, I legitimately thought the hiss in the first link was part of it.
>>130985572one day i'll learn to appreciate this kind of music
>mfw Biber's RequiemHow does somebody this goated, go under the radar for so long?
>>130985449It is in just tired of hearing it...>>130985426Ok you made me listen to it one more time. This was pretty good yeah.
>>130985765I started around 2019 when I was 21 and first encountered Pierrot Lunaire and couldn't wrap my head around me not "getting" it, I think what helped me the most, other than incessantly listening to the music, was the Great Courses "How to Listen to and Understand Great Music" Lecture 48 on Schoenberg: https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1qW41157TY?spm_id_from=333.788.videopod.episodes&p=48This gives you a broad theoretical/technical underpinning to help make sense of the "why" the music sounds like it does, but it won't make you feel it, that is achieved only by the internalization of the music that comes from repetitive exposure, just like people who grew up on pop don't immediately "get" classical music people who grew up on classical music don't immediately "get" this because it is just as different, the music isn't in the harmonies or melodies anymore, or if it is its in a completely different form, its pure sound, John Cage also has a good insight on this: you have to start to listen and like sound for its own sake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcHnL7aS64Y
>>130975771what is it with weebs and dogshit taste
>>130986569they are losers and so try too hard to look sofisticated as a replacement for a personality
schumann
>>130986464Thank you
Anayol Liadovhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=667NGs5kpEY&list=OLAK5uy_kMYq5gXU54owGJgjWwmQ0riBhshiQekL8&index=3
now playingstart of Pettersson: Symphony No. 3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WupmgF_WWUo&list=OLAK5uy_mbI27IFZPDLMsQWDd4UAeLhTn9QdCxfJ4&index=2start of Pettersson: Symphony No. 4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7DMpF2DiGQ&list=OLAK5uy_mbI27IFZPDLMsQWDd4UAeLhTn9QdCxfJ4&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mbI27IFZPDLMsQWDd4UAeLhTn9QdCxfJ4Music for nihilist doomers with a wicked sense of humor.
You meet a young autist who says they only listen to recordings of chamber and solo piano music at home, because orchestral music, concerti, and symphonies are meant solely to be heard in the concert hall. How do you react?
>>130987553I simply stop talking to them. Seriously.
>>130987553I go "interesting" then change subject or leave
Penderecki essential works & recordings?
>>130987763Symphonies, string quartets, St Luke Passion, the list goes on...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_a2pfwKjIYand of course this fuckin' thing no one actually likes but you have to know and pretend to like to appear cultured and smarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9xAjiZo7gothe rest of the album couldn't hurthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IemQTWqLrlwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOHK7kc6QXAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FuSvW28cs8
Medtnerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIWlqU9_eZw&list=OLAK5uy_lNbF9ADgDRCsx05bzFIAgf1WU7FVrBWBo&index=1
