Why did those 94-98 years when bands like Marilyn Manson, NIN, KMFDM, Filter, Gravity Kills and Stabbing Westward were popular just get totally forgotten about?
>>131037771Because they were gimmicky
>>131037771What do you mean by forgotten? Marilyn Manson and NIN keep making music and still have a lot of fans.
>>131037771>Why did those 94-98 years when bands like Marilyn Manson, NIN, KMFDM, Filter, Gravity Kills and Stabbing Westward were popular just get totally forgotten about??
I would say manson and nin are well remembered, its just that trent is old now, and manson got me tooed for a while. Every time some little shit calls cobain the last rock star im like, manson is right there dudes.
>>131037771slop for edgy suicidal teens that has nothing to offer an adult
>>131038005I think Tront aged about as gracefully as someone from that scene could have, making atmospheric beeps and boops for Oscar bait movies.
>>131038037He also made the OST for Tron: Ares.>Give me something to believe in!!!When I listed to that in the theater I thought ohhh yeeah that is classic Nine Inch Nails.
>>131037771I wasn't into that shit until years later. Late 90s was a lot of punk for me, particularly Epitaph bands and Victory Records. Didn't like goth/industrial then like i do now.
>>131037853if you can't play it in a bar band it's probably gimmick music
>>131038028mechanical animals is a nice bowie copycat album really think that one has aged well
>>131038005Neither of them are rock stars, the last rock stars were hair metal fags, lmao.
>>131037771I still listen to them. Also you forgot the GOATs that were Chemlab.
>>131037939please learn how to read
>>131037771Because Industrial and Shock Rock aren't compelling and this post-grunge period encapsulates nothing of worth other than the incubation of nu-metal.Everything good came at the end of the 1990s, with this preceding period being a dark age akin to New Generation -> Attitude Era.
If you ask me the Futurepop of the early-mid 00s was broadly better than 90s Industrial Rock, shame that I seem to be almost the only person alive listening to it.This is my humble request you check out Assemblage 23, Seabound, Neuroticfish, Icon of Coil, And One, VNV Nation, Covenant, Apoptygma Berzerk, etc, etc.
>>131039215When did people start treating Fred Durst like a serious artist and Woodstock '99 like it was the Oklahoma City bombing?
>>131039363>and Woodstock '99 like it was the Oklahoma City bombing?This has always been a thing just from different angles.Initially it was considered a catastrophic monument to cynical greed and being unable to let go, later it was recontextualized as this tragic last stand.
>>131039363>Nu Metal = Limp Bizkitdipshittery
>>131039363npc's aren't people, anon. you'd do well to remember this
>>131037853gimmicky doesn't explain anything.i think it's because it was fucking CRINGE in retrospect, and its only influence can be found in nu-metal.
>>131039350uhff, worst bands that ever existed.i already hate old-school EBM with a passion (except DAF who were cool), but those are next level dogshit
>>131041100and a part of me thinks it's pretty sad, because NIN especially had really groundbreaking textures, ideas and production. it's mostly the lyrics that make you want to hide in shame.
Mechanical Animals [Nothing, 1998]If only the absurd aura of artistic respectability surrounding this arrant self-promoter would teach us that not every icon deserves a think piece, that it's no big deal to have a higher IQ than Ozzy Osbourne, that the Road of Excess leads to the Palace Theater. Instead, his banned-in-Wal-Mart slipcase job will fade into the haze of records people found interesting at the time. Its strategy is to camouflage the feebleness of La Manson's vocal affect by pretending it's deliberate--one more depersonalizing production device with which to flatten willing cerebella whilst confronting humankind's alienation, amorality, and failure to have a good time on Saturday night. Catchiest songs: "The Dope Show" and "I Don't Like the Drugs (But the Drugs Like Me)." Duh. C+
>>131037771because the only popular stuff you listed was a single track by filter and NIN. merlyn was massively overhyped by the media and nobody ever cared about his fat ass.
>>131041320this guy nailed it everytime, tbph
>>131037771NIN got popular and record labels went searching for other "industrial" bands to play on the radio with catchy three-minute songs, but the lifespan of that kind of thing was going to be fairly limited I think as a popular "genre" of music. Skinny Puppy signed to Rick Rubin's label and it was a disaster, it blew up their band (also one of them died from an OD during the process).>>131039350>VNV NationEmpire is still sick>Assemblage 23He did a remix of a PIG song recently that's pretty fun, has that early 2000s goth-industrial club vibehttps://youtu.be/80Dz0FSbrI0>SeaboundI saw Seabound play once, nice guy, he's a psychology professor. Mind.in.a.box might be the band I liked the most adjacent to that futurepop stuff. Uneven but more conceptually interesting cult band from Austria that I discovered from a guy selling CDs at an industrial music festival in Quebec. Only met one other guy (a DJ at a goth club) who knew who they were.Also a fun group from the U.K.https://youtu.be/TUiJXcF0yQY
>>131038162strange, used to be the other way around. mall-goth and nu-metal first, then NYHC as you get 17 or 18
It’s just not mainstream anymore, it’s not forgotten
Gravity Kills is my guilty pleasure, but the reality is none of these bands were ever going to be more than "hey remember them?" for xennials. They just didn't have "it," nor did they have any capability of evolving
>>131039350ok anonette
There are mini-festivals around these acts now like Cold Waves. Looking at the bill this year and Stabbing Westward is the headlining nostalgia act. I never listened to 16 Volt but they're in the same industrial-rock vibe.
>uncs itt reminiscing about their gay 90s hot topic goyslop from the days before they went bald
>>131041504 >because the only popular stuff you listed was a single track by filter and NIN/threadStabbing Westward had a very minor success on the MTV/radio with the single 'What Do I Have to Do?' in 1996 before the Clear Channel takeover and Marilyn Manson was never much more that a blip on the radar as far as mainstream pop culture was concerned in the 90's.Nine Inch Nails had a genuine hit with 'Closer' in 1994 and maybe 'Hurt' and Filter had 'Hey Man Nice Shot' in 1995 and probably the biggest hit of the whole bunch with 'Take a Picture' in 2000. Gravity Kills had one single that flopped on arrival and KMFDM never had one at all.None of this got as far as the now disappeared popular rock acts of the time like Everclear, Bush, or whatever.
the actual peak of this "genre" is when it became the official background music for shitty hollywood flicks.you'd get the mandatory scene in a neon club that plays industrial electro with strippers everywhere while that never existed IRL.
https://youtu.be/qxaPj19VnRA?si=oS1MJYrBwWpIbqBR
>>131045837you're a 30 year old indian man who stalks pop sluts
>>131048782>facebook boomer insultsHell yeah you tell 'em, dentures!
>>131039215>Everything good came at the end of the 1990slike what? background elevator drum n' bass/jungle muzak? 1999 is pretty much the official end of original music.
>>131050497Damn, you're close. I put it in 1998. I think that's the end of innovation in music and like you said most of that was sort of boring electronic music. Everything genre of music you can name had it's origin in the 1990's or earlier.
>why do trends change with time????Amazing thread.
>>131037771Industrial with goth metal elements really started with Godflesh and Killing Joke. Every genre that breaks into the mainstream has about 5 years until it gets replaced by something else. Grunge was replaced by alt and industrial which was replaced by nu metal.
>>131048682>the actual peak of this "genre" is when it became the official background music for shitty hollywood flicks.Also the official background of music of people cosplaying as characters in the movie lining up outside the theater for the sequelhttps://youtu.be/BxsNnUAyfd4
Manson just needs to stop touring with Rob Zombie. That motherfucker hasn’t been relevant in over 20 years.
>>131053476>Damn, you're close. I put it in 1998you're right, I used to say 98 as well but I forgot. feels exactly right
Industrial peaked with Depeche Mode's People are People
>>131041122>especially had really groundbreaking textures, ideas and production.it's only groubdbreaking idea industrial-wise was going really quiet in the middle of a song
>>131043869>Skinny Puppy signed to Rick Rubin's label and it was a disaster, it blew up their band (also one of them died from an OD during the process).that was the worse decision ever. the band members (Goettel and Cevin key) have been heading to the same direction aphex twin moved laterrip goettel
>>131055061Manson sounds great again. Kicking drugs really brought him backhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHECTlZK2dY
>>131053713>Grunge was replaced by alt and industrial which was replaced by nu metallol, No. The alternative scene was very much alive from the early to mid 80's until the mid 2000's. In the mainstream grunge was popular from the early 90's until the mid 90's or so and then the clueless (((boomers))) tried to keep the gravy train rolling with scrunge (synthetic grunge) like Bush, Silverchair, Seven Mary Three, Cracker, etc.There were a few alternative acts that got some good traction on MTV/radio for a few years (1992 to 1998) until the Clear Channel takeover, stuff like Smashing Pumpkins, Beck, Tori Amos, Primus, Weezer, etc. Mid 90's is when you started seeing mediocre mall punk like Green Day and the Offspring becoming popular too.Mid 1998 is when Gen X world ended in popular culture and the (((boomers))) started pushing garbage like Nu Metal and Clear Channel 'New Rock' (Creed, Nickelback, Puddle of Mud, etc.) with the whole payola pay to play scheme onto Millennials. (((Boomers))) were also responsible for the awful payola pop bullshit that started that year with Britney Spears, Backstreet Boys, Insync, etc.Except for Nine Inch Nails and Filter industrial didn't exist in mainstream music. Maybe White Zombie if you want to consider them somewhat industrial sounding? But no, industrial didn't take over from grunge at any point.
>>131056758Payola has always existed, dumbass.
>>131056794Not to the extent it did when Clear Channel created a de facto monopoly in 1998. This isn't up for debate, the only way to get music played on a Clear Channel owned station was to pay for it, still is.There was a small scandal around the year 2000 when it was publicly revealed that nearly all the Limp Bizkit music on the radio at the time was being played not because of listener demand but rather it was being sustained almost exclusively by their record label paying to keep them in constant rotation. It was illegal but just like every big business in the United States the foxes were in charge of protecting the henhouse.
>>131056794>Payola has always existed, dumbassCorrect. It predates radio, back in vaudeville days song pluggers would pay the top performers to perform their songs at shows.
>>131056907Since he brings up Limp Bizkit, ask if anyone seriously thinks Pat Boone's 72 hits were organic and not just Dot paying DJs to play him.
>>131057046I never claimed payola never existed, you brain-dead dipshit. Keep seething while avoiding the substance and facts in my post though lol
>>131056758>Except for Nine Inch Nails and Filter industrial didn't exist in mainstream music.fake industrial (the one created by Ministry and co) was accepted as a subgenre of metal. Ministry was signed to warner bros and sold a shitload of records.
