>I just watched the second half of Scorsese's Dylan documentary. Predictably, I found myself admiring Dylan only for the way he dealt with imbecilic journalists and the organo-folk nazis; I remain mystified about the appeal of his words and music. Admittedly I am the most prejudiced possible observer --- but I found it surprisingly easy to maintain a position of total hostility towards Dylan's oeuvre. Prejudice has been stoked up by Baby Boomer fucks like Bryan Appleyard (in the Sunday Times) drooling that Dylan is just about the greatest poet ever to walk the earth (with Oxford academic Christopher Ricks quoted as saying 'aren't we privileged to be living at the same time as Bob Dylan' for Chrissake). It's not only that I personally don't share the judgement (there are many esteemed artists I dislike but at least have some comprehension of their appeal to others); it's that I don't on any level understand it. What is supposed to be groundbreaking or interesting about Dylan's tuneless voice, frankly hideous harmonica dirges and pisspoor lyrics, which alternate between stoner doggerel and the stupefyingly inane (Bad Things are like gonna happen; hey, old folks, society's moving on y'know)? Dylan summarises everything that I so despise about the Sixties (bliss was it in that dawn NOT to be alive), it all just seems so ramshackle, so earthy, so earnest, so hairy, so unglamorous, so monochrome, so OLD...
>>131048646He has some good lines.>He not busy being born is busy dying
>>131048646I hate Gen Xers so goddamn much. They stole their whole culture from boomers while simultaneously pretending to hate boomer culture.
>>131049491true dylan is good but yeah he's not even a poet lol
>>131049491Me too. Especially this Gen Xer, such an soulless, spiteful person. You can see the oblivion in his face. He worshiped death and it was no surprise he willfully succumbed to it.Just look at his black, miserable eyes. Neurotic to the point of unraveling to nothingnessHe's a despicable, evil influence and I pray for anyone unfortunate enough to take interest in his hateful ramblings
>>131050218Also, many don't know this, but his own baby boy was the one who found him hanging. That's what he left for his son. How "socially-minded" of him.
>>131050218>Just look at his black, miserable eyes. Neurotic to the point of unraveling to nothingnessOh yeah that kind of depth is sus and abnormal
>>131048646>*crack*>*sip*>Yep, the Caretaker...now THATS real music!
>>131048646Dont look back mogs
>>131048646The second half was pretty underwhelming imo. Scorsese spends the first episode really immersing the viewer in Dylan’s influences and painting a vivid picture of the folk scene, and then the second episode just kind of gives you desu cliffnotes on his electric period and ends as abruptly and imcompletely as that Michael Jackson biopic.
There is a type of hipster that hates anything from the sixties that didn’t have Lou Reed or Iggy Pop involved, and honestly, they are insufferable cunts.
>boomers worshiping a jew hacklol they were always perfect mindless goy cattle, even as far back as the 50's and 60's
>>131048646>Dylan summarises everything that I so despise about the Sixties (bliss was it in that dawn NOT to be alive), it all just seems so ramshackle, so earthy, so earnest, so hairy, so unglamorous, so monochrome, so OLDWhat does he think the 60s was? Lesley Gore and the Supremes' bubblegum pop were as much a part of the 60s as Jefferson Airplane.
>>131048646to be fair Dylan doesn't like the personality cult the media created around him either
I know who dylan isI don't know who that guy in op's pic is
>>131049491I absolutely despise gen xers, almost every one I met was a simply disagreeable person, the few good ones I met were very very early xers, they're like the conflation of everything bad about each genboomers and silent gen are alrightbasedlenials are turning into their parents (God help us...)zoomers and alphas are poor sods living in a fucked up timet. greatest gen who is probably immortal
>>131057241Gen X didn't have the boomers' idealism, which was misguided but at least they had some utopian dreams. They on the other hand are just cynical and edgy for the sake of it.
>>131048646He's 100% right
>>131048646>it all just seems so ramshackle, so earthy, so earnestIs something wrong with that?
>>131057351they go against gen x's principles
>>131057384it's kinda funny how the 90s went for this neo-60s back to Earthiness vibe after the plastic tech-focused 80s.
>>131048646He has a point that Dylan is overrated and mythologized as part of this grand 60s narrative of saving the world and the hippie subculture romanticized (Rolling Stone mag naming Dylan greatest song ever and such) although its pretentious and he starts rambling about how its too primitive more or less
>>131057351When you worship post-punk like the faggot in OP’s image, anything that isn’t ranting about Margaret Thatcher over two chords and synthesizers is like wolfsbane.
Mark Fisher seems like a writer that youd think is cool if you read him in college but as you get older it comes off more like the ravings of an opinionated prick, a commie brit mad that the 80s-90s were over and he couldnt get pissed in a pub watching shitty indie bands or something
>>131057429I rarely if ever listen to like a rolling stone, I prefer the ditties like girl from the greenbriar shore and the outtakes
>>131057414Gen X was really split between kids who wanted to be punks and kids who wanted to be hippies.
>Hard Rain bootleg series never ever
>>131057414Well really, 70s but yes. Especially the glut of female singer-songwriters trying to be Joni or Emmylou for the 90s.
>>131057439that kind of ruined 80s British music for me, how much synthpop whining about Thatcher does anyone need?
>>131057062lolhttps://youtu.be/O4wBS3aExCw?si=H4PE_U7c_n3rcHBU
>>131057493its coming baby
>>131057767He saw all those rappers doing brand deals and thought "if they don't get shit for it, why should I?"
>>131057241I have sympathy with some gen xers, the non-punk ones. People who are/were metalheads, or made shoegaze, or were in the Grateful Dead/jam scene, or rave scene. A lot of great people. And just the normal ones are ok.But the punks, and the indie ones (besides the psychedelic/shoegaze ones) had a terrible attitude and they were like proto-soi types, and became some of the first soi manchildren. So much of the worst aspects of millennials come from them. I do have some sympathy for younger Xers and elder millennials - Gen Y or Xellenials. People who went to later raves or Phish shows, or were into nu metal or whatever and were some of the people to start early internet culture in the days of YTMND and Something Awful and early 4chan. They can be ok.Millennials are a mixed bag. The worst traits and stereotypes are awful but I have sympathy for the Post-Internet art movement and their network, and early 4channers are fine. All the girlboss and baddie and woke and Star Wars manchildren and Disney Adults are awful though.Zoomers I have a lot of sympathy for. I've found them to generally be ok, and it's not their fault they were raised on social media and inside insane culture war psyops. They're surprisingly chill and above all that in many cases, bless them
>>131059283I was gunna respond to this thread with some witty insight but you sound like a fag so i gave up
>>131048646He's 100% correct, Dylan is utter trash and his fans are total morons. I see several of them have shat themselves with rage in this thread already. lol. lmao even.
I have never met a leftist who wasn't miserable or wasn't suicidal
>>131059698They really are. It's a very bad formula to be oriented towards pathologically being concerned with the injustices of the world, but not believe in a God and moral schema in which any of this injustice is resolved. They may put their face in an ideological system, but then reality pummels them with crushing disappointment after crushing disappointment, and they're increasingly trending towards an epidemic of euthenasia
>>131049441His best line is the one that really blew up you could say.
>>131056768Well that's the problem. Dylan's main relevance as the "voice of a generation" was his folk period which was like two years. He was a right guy, right place, right time situation that just tapped into the zeitgeist of a certain segment of the youth as they came of age and since a lot of those youths went on to be journalists, writers, etc. who shaped the narrative of what the 1960s was and meant.It'd be like if the impression of the early 2000s was that everyone watched DBZ because a certain segment of the population that liked DBZ then went on to positions where they could shape the image of the 2000s even though most people didn't watch DBZ.
>>131048646bob dylan is a foreigner from a foreign land speaking a foreign language and referencing a foreign culture. listening to bob dylan is no different than listening to iranian folk music or societ post-punk: it wasn't made by people like me or the sad cunt in the OP picture, it was made by foreigner people of another culture. just because dylans american english is understandalbe by Bongs doesn't make it a British cultural item. one if Fishers most repeated mistakes is thinking that something cultural he comsumes should be consumable for him. he doesn't need an opinion on Dylan. maybe if he just wrote things off as Not His Cup of Tea a little more, he wouldn't have ended up in Hell forever. "this music from another country made 20 years ago isn't really my thing" is much more simple than penning an essay of cope and rage and then killing yourself. it is really a bit weak to take everything as a church and then crying because you don't want to pray at the alter.
