What was the consensus on free jazz albums like Ascension or Free Jazz when they first came out? They are considered classics now, but what did people think of it at the time?
>>131074921It was more revolutionary than miles Davis late 60s work
>>131074921Ascension is nice to listen imo, Ornette stuff like Free jazz on the other hand can be a bit of a challenge. His jazz-funk albums are probably the most accessible while still crazy>They are considered classics now, but what did people think of it at the time?Some were into it and others not too much, black particularly deemed classical trained guys like Cecil Taylor as "too white" (hence he had to make a carrer overseas)
>>131074921There has never been a time when free jazz wasn't deeply, bitterly polarizing in the scene.
>>131074921plenty of people hated coleman and some still dotrane going free jazz is mostly accepted since he cut his teeth in bop for years before doing it so the consensus is that he just got bored
>>131075601His devotion towards Ornette and Ayler started years before Ascension, he probably wasn't confident enough to do free jazz then
>>131074921pretty sure, like bebop, most jazz fans thought it was garbage
>>131075669>implying bebop wasn't popular
>>131075687depends what you by popular and when
>>131075571take two is better than take one, and its kinda boppin like ornette
>>131075879The biggest difference is Ornette and Ayler didn't give a shit about Piano, which mellow things out quite a bit
>>131074921I think they were better received in Europe, in America the reception was divided. I recall reading that Albert Ayler felt loved in Europe but not in the USA. Ornette recorded many live albums in Europe
>>131074921>>131077078I also remember reading an interview Ornette made with Derrida and he said people didn't take him seriously, not even to get angry at him.Then some people started to take it seriously, for better and for worse, there was violence sometimes. Coltrane kinda validated all the movement when he started playing free jazz
>>131077078See >>131075571I'd say there were mainly two kinds of free jazzers-The nerds with a lot of avant-garde classical foundation, Dolphy, Taylor, Braxton-The folk inspired outsiders who's music was too weird for NY's sensibilities, Ornette and Ayler.
>>131077285ornettes from LA, right? wheres Ayler from?new york, as a cultural milieu has layers of culture that arent just "classical". theres an alignment between the serialists and the minimalists in art and music in the air there.not so much anywhere else
>>131077997Ornette is from Texas and Ayler from Ohio lol
>>131078264>He began his musical career playing in local R&B and bebop groups and eventually formed his own jazz group in Los Angeles, featuring members such as Ed Blackwell, Don Cherry, Charlie Haden, and Billy Higgins. In November 1959, his quartet began a controversial residency at the Five Spot Café in New York Citydont be a derp
>>131078264>ohiohalf of brooklyn is from Ohiohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Aylerbrother travelled the world, Ohio my ass
>>131078465He left Texas in his 20s, his first 2 lps were recorded in LA, and only after he made an impact in NY. Mingus refered to him and Rollins as calypso players with different sensibilities. As for Ayler he was influenced by gospel sax players
>>131078642still derpin
>>131078904but enough about your life
>>131078970what your wife says when she wants me to bend her in half
