Enough time has passed, peel back the contrarianism because it was popular, black album is more popular anyways. This album is peak Metallica. Battery, MOP, Disposable Heroes, Leper Messiah, Orion, it’s the best they ever did
>>131188112They're the Shawn Michaels of metal, never could abide them.
This is their sellout album though
>>131188124No that was the black album, which is also very good. I don’t see how this is really any different from ride the lightning or kill em all in terms of content besides being more refined
this thread really represents why talking about music ever is stupid.
>>131188112It's a pretty cool album I'm just afraid of going to jail for downloading it
>>131188223kys mario you spaghetti slurping faggot, I’m saying an album is good despite hate and you’re giving me crap
>>131188112>This album is peak MetallicaThat's knownAJFA is below black album btw
disposable is peak
>>131188306the way you express yourself is to be mocked
>>131188112Justice is the best but this isn't far behind
i like the black album
>>131188112WELCOME TO WHERE TIME STANDS STILL
>>131188112James' multitracking of the guitars on this album is superb. The opening riff of the title track still blows me away. Multiple tracks panned left and right all hammering that awesome riff but his playing is so tight it sounds almost supernatural. Hetfield has a cyborg arm. No one can touch him on rhythm, not even Mustaine. And Slayer and Anthrax sound positively sloppy by comparison. Based cyborg Hetfield.
>the black album is metal for people who don't like metal
>>131190328Everyone does. It's the heavy metal Thriller.
>>131188112I really like the Load album.
Everything after RTL is dogshit
>>131192159This guy babbled on for 47 paragraphs instead of just saying>I hate popular thing
People who think MoP is good can count the number of metal albums they've listened to on 2 hands.
>>131191874yup, he's had the best right hand in metal for decades. and there's live performances of them in the 80s playing songs like damage inc even faster
>>131191874>>131192567all downpicking too
>>131192641Most of it. Some riffs require a little alternate picking, like this one. https://youtu.be/DdekZoYoamE?t=194
I skip Orion. Never understood the love for such a mid proggy track. Sounds like Dream Theater to me.
>>131188112Was Cliff Burton sacrificed in order for this band to achieve global superstardom?It's been revealed that Atlantic Records wanted ACDC to fire Bon Scott before breaking big with BIB, and shortly after was "found dead" in a car. What if Cliff was another ritial sacrifice for the demons?
>>131192159>>131192529
>>131192832bon scott was a notorious alcoholic just like keith moon and john bonham. he was bound to fuck up sooner or later.
>>131192832Yes.
>>131193012>just like keith moon and john bonhamAlso killed off.
>>131192832>Was Cliff Burton sacrificed in order for this band to achieve global superstardom?I'd say the opposite is true. Losing Cliff almost cost them everything. It's a miracle they got their shit together and made the Black Album. But Justice is a giant turd of an album. It's so directionless and confused, like they don't know what to do without Cliff. FOrget the thin production, the songs are just terrible and they go on for 15 minutes each. If it wasn't for One being on that album it would've been universally panned. One does so much heavy lifting on that album. Harvester of Sorrow and Dyers Eve are halfway decent but every track other than these is total trash. The Frayed Ends of Sanity, And Justice For All, To Live Is To Die, fuck all those pieces of shit. Blackened sucks too, only the backwards intro is good.
>>131193203Oh and I forgot to shit on The Shortest Straw and Eye of the Beholder too. They're so forgettable I forgot they even existed.So many filler tracks on Justice. Kind of jarring when there was barely any filler on MoP or RTL.
>>131193138take your meds kid
>>131188112>I'd say the opposite is true. Losing Cliff almost cost them everything. Not sure about that...what was the turnaround between losing Cliff and auditioning bassists, hiring Newsted and touring Japan? About 6 weeks.It deeply traumatised James, certainly. But he's always been a team player. He fell apart years later.>It's a miracle they got their shit together and made the Black Album. It wasn't really a miracle, it was big label planning, marketing & promotion and a stellar partnership management team (see: early life). The rest was a 5 year plan in reaching a wider market (radio, mtv) through simpler and more accessible songs.>But Justice is a giant turd of an album. It's so directionless and confused, like they don't know what to do without Cliff. True. The yin (Cliff) to yang (Lars) was gone. Art versus business. The variable had to go: Cliff was too obstinate, too eccentric. James will always side with Lars (Lars owns the band name).Also worth noting the driver of that tour bus was never charged of anything and also disappeared.Doubly bizarre is Kirk trading bunk beds with Cliff on that fateful night.
>>131193366I'd trade Kirk to have Cliff back any day. Sorry Kirk, but you use that wah pedal way too much.
>>131193364The whole industry is ritual murder.
>>131193392Cliff was one of a kind. A 1 percentile.It also explains why their albums since have so much filler. James & Lars control the band, write/assemble the songs. No Mustaine, no Burton to make the songs tand out. Newsted and even Trujillo largely ignored.
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>>131193364>le medsAnyone calling you a schizo or saying bullshit like this is either 1. retarded or 2. a shill
>>131193478>>131193366>>131192832>conspiratard slop
>>131193259Those songs aren't forgettable at all, they're great. "Filler" is such a meaningless nothingburger critique. Cliff barely barely did anything by the way. All he wrote was Orion and a few bits and bobs here and there
>>131193407damn that's wild. now take your meds.>>131193478anon in the real world, not the online incel one you dwell in, we require proof for extraordinary claims. if you can't produce that and then act like a petulant brat when called out, you are indeed someone that needs to be put on haldol because you have the emotional regulation of a child.
>>131193594>they're great"great" is such a meaningless nothingburger critique. Face it friendo, Justice is a fucking shitty album.
>>131193552>>conspiratard slop>>131193609>anon in the real world, not the online incel one you dwell in, we require proof for extraordinary claims. if you can't produce that and then act like a petulant brat when called out, you are indeed someone that needs to be put on haldol because you have the emotional regulation of a child.Reddit is that way
>>131192157Until It Sleeps is quite good. I'm also fond of Ain't My Bitch and Outlaw Torn.
>>131193727>"REDDIT REDDIT Y-YOU'RE REDDIT"the incel further proving he has the emotional control of a toddler kek
>>131193552>>131193609we see you, shills.
>>131193873>if i use projection i win
>>131193203>>131193259AJFA is flawless. Get your T levels checked.
>>131188112They really wanted him gone.
>>131194202>hire a crane just to drop the bus on him againBit harsh.
>>131188112Not according to Slayer, MOP was, is, and always will be shithttps://youtu.be/URXj6uWYE00?si=wGSquEHS78fk-WJQ&t=483
>>131194202Yeah no one else could write 3 riffs per album and have an annoying tone that needs to be buried in the mix, they just had to kill him for that reason
>>131194074uh ohincel melty continues
Master of Puppetts is a good but extremely overrated album, the black album is Metallica's true masterpiece. Kill em all and Ride the lightning are great too as well as Hardwired being a later entry on the level of their prime efforts. Ajfa is alright i guess. Load/reload are both mediocre. St Anger is as shitty as everyone says
>>131194363They're talking about Justice there
Clifftards are all bassists who need to pretend he was more significant for the sake of their own egos.
>>131194560Yeah, Kerry still has hair
>>131194560no, they are talking about Reign in Blood and Rick Rubin. This was before Justice
>>131194186>flawlessKekThe production job alone was famously botched, no audible bass whatsoever, the band was traumatized after Cliff got fucking crushed by a bus, the songs are way too long and needlessly repetitive.... even James and Lars knew they fucked this one up, that's why they hired Bob Rock for the Black Album because they'd lost the plot and needed someone who could fix their shit.
>>131194623i don't play any instruments but i do know that after cliff died metallica never released another good album. just an observation.
>>131195015AJFA is their true masterpiece. Their most technical album but so much feeling as well. Black Album is good too.
>>131194977>The production job alone was famously botched, no audible bass whatsoeverWrong; it was by choice.
>>131194711retard
>>131195219Oh I know. The fact that it sounds terrible on purpose makes it so much worse. If it was some kind of accident due to dodgy equipment at least they'd have an excuse. But nope, just Lars being a complete retard,.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmFgeFh2nlw
>>131195352Lars: 1Good production: 0
>>131195352In which year did you first hear it?
>>131195431Same day it was released, April 13th 1939. I skipped down the yellow brick road with my midget friends and bought seven copies (all of which I burned after realizing what a shitty pile of shit the album was.)So what kind of dress were you wearing when you first heard it? I was wearing a fabulous pink satin frock with my cock hanging down the front dribbling spunk all over myself. I looked quite ravishing I must say.
>>131195568Ok, zoomer
>>131195601Come on now, I'm throwing out gender-bending Wizard of Oz references for no reason and all you can say is ok zoomer? See I was right, it really is a shitty album. I demand a full refund and additional store credit for the pain I've suffered due to this album being so shit. JUSTICE 4 JUICY.
>>131195822Every single time without fail literally always>>131193452
>>131195846yup. check out the shiner too.
>>131195822>>131195846>>131196369>>131193452shoo shoo incels. this is a board for music discussion by adults, not children screeching about jews every waking moment. you want to do that? we have a board, it's >>>/pol/ it's where you need to go back.
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>>131197156Shalom
Yeah been saying that for years.It's the album right after they got out of their youthful crazy years and they finally got a more polished sound and production. And the songwriting got more ambitious without sounding too overdone like on AJFA.Though if you want to hear crazy energetic no fucks given Metallica, that would be the first 2 albums. This one's their first serious album.
>>131198641>crazy energetic no fucks given Metallica>Fade to Black
>>131197774>Why yes I am part of the race that rules the world and lords over inferiors like yourself, thanks for noticing
>>131188124Metallica sold out when they did the acoustic guitar bullshit on Ride the Lightning.
>>131198863why did your shop have to use a real life gentile? lmao
>>131197193Median voter conspiraslop doesn't constitute argument
>>131192159That just a Mustaine fan boy crying in text.
>>131198897Ernest Khalimov's great great grandmother on his dad's side was a lejoo so it's fine
>>131188311>>131190328I like the black album I’m just describing it in context of people shitting on Master of Puppets for being the sellout popular album. The title track is the catchiest and most “pop” song but it’s clearly not even close to being a sellout song released in the era of glam/hair metal.
>>131195352>omg this album doesn't have an electrified bass guitar doubling the root note at some arbitrary db level that means it's le bad!As if you retarded cattle can even follow separate instruments in your head anyways
>>131199280Well I play bass in a shitty cover band so yeah I know what a bass sounds like. And it's so obvious when there's either too much or too little bass in a mix. It has to be just right. Metal sounds tinny as fuck when the bass frequencies are removed by a retarded Danish drummer to "haze" the new(sted) guy. But keep coping, obviously you really like the album and that's cool. I mean you're objectively wrong but I'll contain my autistic rage for now.
>>131199598There's not much difference between the bass in MoP and Justice. A/B them and the bass is a bit quieter, but the guitar and drums are beefier, so it basically washes out. A/B MoP with other bands where the bass is prominent, and the difference is huge. Yeah Metallica was never some trunk rattling big low end bandNo one levies this same complaint at MoP because it's not a serious criticism, just a gay meme that monkey-see-do normcattle latched on to feel smart
>>131188112Metallica kept improving in the 80s. They peaked at AJFA. Although MOP is pretty damn close, Jame's voice was the most aggressive on AJFA. He had a great voice until he blew it out in the early 90s
>>131199862There's a world of difference between those two albums in terms of bass. On MoP you can hear the bass, on Justice you can't. Simple as.Sorry but you've gone from cope to outright fantasy and I prefer reality.
>>131192567Yep, this concert is peakhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ESicEzUtqk
>>131200024No there isn't. On MoP you can hear the bass plinking a bit more, but it's not all that substantial and washes out. If there's a world of difference there, there's 20 worlds of difference between MoP and sabbath or something
>>131197156Moshe:"When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time". -Maya Angelou
>>131192159UltraBoris was the last true metalhead. Prove me wrong.
>>131200862really depends on if he thinks he's being ironic or not. Most goyim don't know Satan and demons are real.
>>131201801There is a lot of horror business with Kirk, though lately I think he's become overtly literal.
>>131201801>>131203464James, not so sure. But with the seeing eye tattoo it also raises suspicion.
>>131188112Ride mogs
>>131188132MoP & RtL are the same; KeA is not.
>>131201801Some of these Hammick superstrats are kino, if only they had a Kahler trem.
ride the lightning is alribut metallica dropped off a cliff after kill em allway prefer slayer
>>131201763Yeah, his reviews were legendary. But he was also the typical underground metalhead that hated on anything remotely popular
>>131198679>they have a ballad>that invalidates the argumentEvery band back then felt compelled to have one, it didn't define their overall main style, it was just a track to play live and change the tempo a bit, let the public breath between adrenaline rushes
>>131188112Contrarian
>>131192032one of my first CD's and I get what you're sayingbut it was a gateway album into the genre, for me at least
RTL <> MOP > KEA > FRANTIC > NOTHING ELSE MATTERS
>>131188120the fuck did the zoombie mean by this?
>>131188871can we sticky this on the board?>>131192032>ga
>>131188112Is this even an argument? The black album isn't even that great overall. Master of Puppets is their greatest album. The drum tracks on And Justice for All are great, though.
>>131188132Kill Em All is a very different album, IMO.
>>131190328Honestly, I liked disc 1 of hardwired.
>>131210728>Every band back then felt compelled to have oneName Slayer's ballad.
>>131200862>Maya Angelou
>>131203464>>131201801>>131200862This is all badass af, is this supposed to make them look bad? Because it doesnt.
>>131192159It killed heavy metal because it's the objective peak of the genre
Cliff burton is one of the most overrated musicians of all time kek, sure good bassist, but completely superfluous for metallica's songwriting, his biggest contribution was anesthesia pulling teeth which is a clear as day filler interlude joke song and I guess the for whom the bell tolls intro melody
>>131217085He also wrote everyone's favorite part of FFWF (the intro).
I like RtL more. Still, a really solid record.
>>131197193those should be ignored and filtered, everywhere, all the time.(You) denied.they are already the minority
I was doing some yard work recently and listening to some old teenage favorites, including the Black Album. Holy shit. A "metal band" has never written better songs. I realized what a musical ghetto metal is, because its fans are infinitely more preoccupied with loyalty to their conception of the genre as an anti-social, private, underground thing based around speed and technicality than anything even remotely resembling song quality. Imagine being the most popular band in an entire genre and your fans still chimp out over an acoustic guitar. Retarded. I'm glad Metallica "sold out" and shattered these people's cobbled-together identities
>>131218634>A "metal band" has never written better songs.The same band wrote better songs on the four previous albums. Perhaps "Wherever I May Roam" or "Of Wolf and Man" is on that level.
>>131219398>Perhaps "Wherever I May Roam" or "Of Wolf and Man" is on that level.Those are the best tracks, for sure. TBA becomes a great classic metal record when you skip the radio songs.
>>131188871the way you expressed yourself is to be mocked
>>131219398>>131219458This is the niche metal taste I'm talking about. There might be better "metal songs" on the first four but there is nothing even close to Enter Sandman or Sad But True as pure songs. Replies that affect an incredulous tone at the idea that those could possibly be two different things will be ignored
metal is so fucking stupid
>no cliff >no alcoholthis was the last true metallica album
>>131219689In the sense that a pure song is built around satisfying hooks and a refrain, yeah sure. The radio songs on TBA are at a level of craftsmanship you rarely see in hard rock.
